Arsenal Banter Archive February 09 2013

09 Feb 2013 23:06:02
I'm so glad we didn't get Gary cahill every time I've seen him lately he has been poor!

Oh and why are we selling santos we can't keep losing our best players every year!

SM1996

I trying to think off the player you were typing to say we shouldn't lose when the predictive text changed it to Santos. I can't think who you meant, possibly Sagna but still makes no sense, oh wait he had a good 90 minutes, all hail king Sagna of defendington!

1404

10 Feb 2013 00:02:46
Cahill over any Arsenal CB would be an improvement.

The sarcasm went over your head 1404.

I very much doubt it it did, but went over yours clearly

1404

09 Feb 2013 18:43:28
arsenal's performance in the second half is the first time arsene wenger's 'mental strength' speech has been justified.

a fantastic 3 points, although we could have scored 10 more goals had we not been so careless infront of goal.

jenkinson being slated by the twitter brigade, but to be fair to him, he got thrown in at the very last minute and on top of that, had a right back playing alongside him at centre back (although sagna was exceptional in second half in particular) and so I think the red card should just be overlooked on this occasion.

daniel

I loved Jenko's roughness a bit. sure he could've cost us the game with that bit of insanity, but it's good having someone who's willing to push the barriers of niceness. it was a long time since he'd played, we were being roughed up, the ref was being a blind person about it and the frustration got to him a bit. fair play to the lad. i'd rather see a loose tackle like that than have to see our frontmen moan and stand around after a scuffed attempt of misplaced pass instead of turning right around and getting the ball back.

Mike

09 Feb 2013 17:57:00
Lost my voice loved the support today great banter Sunderland support was awful and they kicked jack as couldn't handle his class. We where lost jack had to be subbed. Sagna MOTM amazing game by him and BFG. "He eats with his feet he eats with his feet Gareth bale he eats with his feet"

Sorry forgot to sign off

Bergkamp wonderland

09 Feb 2013 17:13:11
89'gooner, what do you think now about little boy's dream to play 90 mins in meaningless friendlies.

BGGOONER

09 Feb 2013 16:56:04
Amazing fight from the guys. Why can't they do week in week out. Sagna was amazing and sir. Szeceny was super duper amazing!

STEEL GUN

We did not back down from the Physical challenge today that's for sure. Sagna and Metasaker held firm in 2nd half when the pressure and crosses/corners were coming in. Schenzy made a good vital save aswell. Jenkinson still has to learn you can't afford to make such foolish challenges.

Our midfield seemed to lose its potency and balance abit once Wilshire went off. I do not think he has got a serious injury just precaution taking him off.

We still could have made it more comfortable in the end with a 2nd but Carzorla shooting radar was off today, despite his goal in first half.

09 Feb 2013 16:54:57
Now that's what I call FIGHT arsene wenger, not the usual crap you go on about every week. Well done boys!

danijel

09 Feb 2013 16:33:33
What a fricking miss by Walcott lol

Goonertillidie

09 Feb 2013 15:53:32
good 1st half.

great goal

is it me or does the defence look better with out tommy vermaelen?

champagne charlie

Sagna had a cracking game at CB. shows why we still need him!

I've said all season that Verm has been our weak link at the back, and the only reason he is first choice CB is because of the captains armband.

09 Feb 2013 15:50:20
Playing some really nice foodie today, can't help thinking with the amount we are playing on the floor it's a perfect game for Podolski up front rather Giroud

1404

Looking at the game he had in the second half I was very suprised giroud was not subbed.

The Swede

Giroud was kept on in the second half for his defensive ability in the air.

Macc Gooner

09 Feb 2013 14:56:23
Thank you very much pointless international games!

Kos is now out! Jenks returns to the starting XI

-Homesick-

09 Feb 2013 14:09:50
So now in his short career Wilshere has been MOTM against Brazil and Barcelona. I still don't see why other fans don't rate him? He's proved he's better than Neymar, all his flashy skills make him look like Pele when he can't hack it at the top level. Wilshere also consistently performs in the hardest league in the world.

Detroit Gooner

09 Feb 2013 17:20:04
Asked and answered! So far Wilshere has had a SHORT and impressive career. What else can you say?

09 Feb 2013 12:30:22
Stoner you said
Anything else you want to moan about get back to me.
So here I am.
On Jack Wilshere: if you read my post I said that Arsene Wenger should not have the right to stop a young man representing his country and just because Ferguson does it, it doesn't make it right. Obviously he wants Jack fit and ready for Arsenal but if you saw the way he played for England and spoke after the game you will understand that he clearly wants to play for England. Also he's only played one whole match and ten minutes in another match so that is hardly abuse is it?
I was only talking about players who left amongst talk of Wilshere potentially leaving in a few years and in response to other posts.
On Ffp we will have more money to spend but the same as other clubs who already have better players than us. For example Manchester United will always make more television revenue than anyone else due to their global appeal. Manchester City already have better players than us and more squad depth than us, they also make big television revenue due to them having the best players in the league, they put money in developing the community which will make them basically un affected by this. Chelsea have owners who can get his companies to sponsor them and they don't have bang average players on salaries like 60k a week like we do. Also all of these teams have won trophies in recent years and will continue to do so meaning they will also have prize money to spend. In our case we won't make television revenue as we have average players and we lose our best players every year anyway. We definitely won't make trophy revenue so it will just make the gap between us and the top bigger and bigger. The only money that we will make is through sponsorship and mainly through our money through overpriced tickets to see us scrape past below par teams. Also we have the money now through tickets and sponsorships but don't spend it so what makes you think we will spend it when the fair play comes into place. It is not going to make a difference. It is not the answer to all of our prayers.
I know that most people will read this and disagree because we're all biased and partisan towards Arsenal and you know it's true but you choose not to believe it because you don't want it to be true. I know you say you don't care about players who have left and won trophies but if a Jack Wilshere sees Cesc Fabregas winning everything at Barcelona or Robin Van Persie winning the league at United, he won't be tempted to leave. Ofcourse he will. That's why I care.
Lets face it lads, our club is dying in the hands of Gazidis and Wenger. Running the club as a business instead of football club. Using us as customers instead of fans. Prioritising playing a decent standard of football when the people behind them can't defend for love nor money.
I am very worried but unlike any of you I have noticed our problems and have accepted them because they are real. Where all of you are to stubborn to even notice it. We can't just turn the other cheek to this problem because as long as Gazidis and Wenger are still around it definitely won't go away.
I will get many disagrees for this and people comment against this but this Is the truth and if you don't realise it now it will be too late. We have to protest more and stop paying these ridiculous ticket prices and then maybe the board will realise too and take action
Thanks for your time for reading this.
Thanks ed for all of your work on this site.
89'gooner- my last post

There is such a thing as short-term pain for long-term gain. This applies to Wilshere. He's played for England before and he will have an great international career IF and ONLY IF he takes care of himself. Nobody in the England gives a rat's ass about Wilshere's fitness. The simple truth is we're face with an option - ease him back into football so that he actually has as good a shot at a career possible, or throw him back in and risk it all. This time 6-8 months ago we didn't even know if he would actually have a career.

It is also the club who pays him, the club who trains him, and the club who fixes him when he's broken and suffers without him. So excuse me and the rest of the world if you want to side with the pathetic England managers and their short-sightedness.

As for the other stuff, I do understand where you're coming from, it's one way of looking at it in terms of players leaving, but I think you will find not many people agree. At the end of the day Nasri and Song will look back on their careers and know that they left a special club to go and be a bit-part player in the success of another club. There is simply no way Song will look back on a league title with Barca and believe he was in any way a key contributor - and he will have to live with that.

There are some things in your post that really aren't true - e. g. man united making more money in tv revenue due to their global appeal. By this token Liverpool, man united and Arsenal would be the 3 highest earners in the EPL and they aren't. TV revenue is worked out by adding various sums together. Don't quote me on this but it's along the lines of: every team gets and equal share of a certain pot, which equates to about £13m or something. Then you get paid around £5.4m for every 10 televised performances. That is very simplified and there are more parts to go towards it but basically it has nothing to do with 20million people watching a game all around the world. man united make more money because the finish higher in the league, have more games televised (you not noticed how many times they play on a sunday?) and play in loads of cup games and champs league games usually. The higher they finish one season directly affects their potential to earn more in the following season.

I am not saying I disagree with everything, far from it. I agree FFP will not help us one bit. In fact I believe it will encourage the club to spend even less than they already do and they will then pretend it is because of FFP. I believe they need to leave if this club is to turn itself around, and I believe they won't as long as they are breathing and Stan is in charge.

Maybe in 20 years.

Metal Gooner

Stoner,, you will have to stop upsetting people on here I thought that was my job. lololo

champagne charlie

09 Feb 2013 13:07:32
89'Gooner,

I would like to believe this will not be your last post and if I offended you I apologise, it's somewhat frustrating hashing over things that hopefully we've put behind us; I am fully aware of the last 7 years and the purported reasons why we find ourselves in this position.

It is not something new and it will be the clubs time as a whole to show that we will again compete, spend when required and change the bloody wage structure.

This site is for banter and for people to disagree.

My point re Jack is that yes he has to played sensibly and he has a whole England career ahead of him one friendly will not make a difference and if old red nose can rest his players then why can't we, especially Jack at an important time for us and his well-being. I want what's best for Jack and Arsenal.

We can do nothing about Jack if he wanted to leave but if the club do as we can all see is possible then why would he. We truly have the core of a top team with some much needed defensive signings and decent quality back up/squad players we can do it.

Stoner

09 Feb 2013 13:39:21
Sorry Charlie,

Think I went a sentence to far, need to wind my neck in, I have apologised.

Stoner

I'm just stirring the pot stoner rather than smoking it!

there is nothing wrong with good healthy conversation and banter.

you and every 1 else should say what they feel as long as its clean.

keep the neck out son!

champagne charlie

Don't worry Stoner, you'll never offend me! Nor you Charlie come to think of it!

337

08 Feb 2013 23:33:55
All you people saying the grass isn't always greener on the other side and bringing up examples such as Alex Song or Alex Hleb and even in 1 post by will: Luka Modric. Do you seriously think that when these players left their respected clubs to go to Barcelona or Real Madrid they expect to play every minute of every game. NO. They left to further their careers at, let's face it bigger and better clubs, and to win trophies even if it means playing less. They are now playing with better players also which will improve their own game. At the end of this season after one year and in that time probably less than 20 games for Barcelona, Alex Song could have one triple the amount of trophies that he won in six years with us and the same with Hleb when he left, winning La Liga's and Champions Leagues as well as playing in arguably the best team to ever play football and with one of the best players to ever play football. You can't seriously say that the grass isn't always greener, especially when they move to better clubs.
On the financial fair play: Wenger and Gazidis are convinced that this will help us to start winning trophies again and they are totally wrong in every respect. If you look at footballs richlist, you will see that Manchester United make the most money per annum meaning that they are the team that will benefit the most from this, and every other team will be in their shadow unfortunately. Also it could prevent a possible takeover from Usmanov, as well as teams that we thought would suffer like Chelsea and Manchester City will not face any point deductions as they are exempt due to the building and community work that they do, so it looks like more fourth place finishes and in my book underachievement and mediocrity.
Lastly, Arsene Wenger is forever talking about Jack Wilshere and how the national set up put too much pressure on him. This comments were made as he didn't want jack to play 90 minutes against Brazil. Firstly, who does he think he is trying to stop a young man representing his country at wembley which is what every young football fan dreams of. Secondly, the amount of pressure that he himself puts on Wilshere is incomparable to that of what Roy Hodgson puts on him. Relying on him and him alone to drive the team forward and win games single handedly and talking about him captaining the team. Thirdly, when Wilshere picked up his injury it was down to Wengers refusal to let him play for the under 21s when if he played with them he may not have picked up the injury in the first place.
89'gooner

You couldn't be more wrong.

First: And how good Hleb have became while playing with the"best" players ever played? So good that a year after the transfer he was on loan a sub in Birmingham. And now he is in BATE Borisov. Even he himself said a couple of years ago that his biggest mistake was leaving Arsenal. Even Fabregas made big mistake. Now he is at best a "golden" sub. And what is the satisfaction to win something, when you know that you had played in 5-10% percent of the time. With us he was captain, he was star, he was the best midfielder in the PL, now he is a sub. But he wanted to be with his family, I hope he is happy with the bench.

Second: Yeah, United are infront of us, but after we renew all of our commercial deal, they will have very very slim lead. So small that it will not be big problem.

Third: Jacky is completely abused by English national team. First against Brazil he was the only midfielder who played 90 min. Second, minutes after the match Stuart Pierce born the "brilliant' idea, that Jack is fully capable to play and he must play for him also in the U21 squad. The same thing happen to Walcott and that is why he hadn't have prolonged injuryfree period before he turned 22. Yeah, every boy's dream is to play for his country, but not when they abuse with you. And especially they do not dream to play in meaningless friendlies even vs Brazil.

BGGOONER

09 Feb 2013 08:12:43
I don't get why people give a toss about players who have left, they no longer play for Arsenal so I don't care if they've got more medals than Rommel.
I'm interested in my team and the here and now.

Fair play, we will now have more money to spend because of the payment of the debt and better sponsorship deals, it's whether we spend it or not and change the wage structure. This will be what helps us compete. We didn't win titles before by spending like United.

Haven't we played some awesome football, yes we don't have Messi but who else does.

Jack Wilshere, why should Arsene be happy that he is playing 90 minutes when that crafty tw&t up at Old Gashford pulls Carrick out of the squad to give him a rest on Englands watch and also pulls Jones out of the under 21's, that pillock gets away with it every time and has them fresh for league games. In Jacks case his only recent comeback from Injury should have dictated that Hodgson didn't play him for 90 minutes. I want him fresh for Arsenal not poxy England in some friendly!

Anything else you want to moan about get back to me.

Stoner

You really are a deluded football romantic, MOST of these players left for money, SOME of them (very few) left for football reasons

Nobody can tell me that Alex Song left Arsenal because he believed he was good enough to start every game for Barca or oust any of the players currently in the first team. not even Bendtners ego is that big.

He was bought as a bit part player and for shirt sales, he left for money. and his ridiculous fashion sense wouldn't look out off place on the streets of Barcelona.

1404

I don't really want to get into an argument, but I only referenced Modric as he and Alex Song were joint first place for the worst signing award, that was it. And the point I was making is that Arsenal got 15 million from the deal where as Song has got very few games, stick from the fans and this award and Barcelona have got a player the fans are unhappy with, hasn't solved the issues they had and as a result they will have to address them again, resulting in financial loss. All that I was pointing out was at this time it looked like we had come off best from the deal. I at not point made any reference to his motives for leaving, I'm fully aware that Barcelona are a step up from us, but I don't think anyone expected Song to play as little as he has or be disliked by the fans as much as he has. And the same goes for Hleb, he himself said that leaving us was a huge mistake and many of the trophies he won meant little to him as he played no part in winning them, he wasn't even on the bench in the Champions league final, despite the huge number of players that were missing. Winning trophies when you have played no part in earning them isn't reward for a huge career mistake.