Arsenal Banter Archive July 09 2016

09 Jul 2016 19:29:28
I see the season hasn't started yet and Wenger is already being whipped. I cannot honestly think of what this man has done to deserve so much animosity

Wenger has failed badly in the last 3 to 4 seasons to mount a serious challenge and bolster the squad in an adequate manner. No one has ever tried to dispute that and last season was a monumental failure. But to dismiss what this man has done for this club is disrespective to his legacy.

Malaga; by all indications Arsenal are a really big Club and me supporting all the way from South Africa is testament to that. The Club is huge here despite Wenger doing nothing for 12 years. My question is which big club lost all the class players we lost, built a new stadium and managed to remain in the CL every season?

This is no excuse for the failures of the past few seasons, we all see that. But remember Wenger Could also have jumped ship. He has stated many times that he had offers from the biggest clubs in the land yet stayed with us. He should have done more with the financial constraints a thing of the past, but to slag him off for the barren years is very harsh and frankly unfair.

Yeah its easy to belittle the man in retrospect . The question from my perspective is not whether he would have been sacked at another "big" club, But rather which other world class manager would have stayed under the same conditions .

09 Jul 2016 19:46:26
Just out of interest who made offers to Wenger?

Genuine question.

09 Jul 2016 20:32:52
I read the other day that wenger has never been offered a job by either man u, man city, chelsea, real, bayern, Barcelona or juventus, ever, so who are these big clubs, better than he is at.

{Ed001's Note - he has been offered the Man City job on more than one occasion.}

09 Jul 2016 20:39:53
Not what i read but i will take your word for it ed.

{Ed001's Note - I was told that by one of the ownership group at City, so I would think it true, as he has no reason to lie. It was in the early days of the City project. Pep was always the main long term target.}

09 Jul 2016 21:24:39
Thanks for the info ed, do you know if he was offered the job or just sounded out, not that it matters too much, just interested.

09 Jul 2016 22:11:57
If it was in the early days of the City job it was a no brainier he stayed at Arsenal

So

Just who are these clubs that lined up to grab Wenger?

09 Jul 2016 23:21:40
Madrid and PSG i believe.

09 Jul 2016 23:46:44
Athletico aren't big

PSG are in a league equivalent to the SPL

Hardly great choices.

10 Jul 2016 00:06:16
I should add I gather you meant Real, that's far too big a risk for Wenger, winning is a must there or it's good bye.

10 Jul 2016 00:27:55
I mean real madrid bg I know you have them down as not but I remember reading a lot about it over the years and former Real president Caledron has said they tried to get him, he also said wenger asked him "Are you going to Hollywood again, or to make a football team? ”,

And PSG have threatened success in the CL for a number of years now.

10 Jul 2016 00:46:01
As far as i understand and its not 80% no 100% certain but psg and monaco and the france job have enquired after him at varying times and he has rebuffed them. None of the elite clubs have ever tried to get him. England are calling though. Lol.

{Ed001's Note - sorry I don't know why your previous question was not held for me, but he was offered the job. He had given his word to the board and so turned down the chance to leave, rather than break his word. You have to admire him for that, City were offering him a blank chequebook to use.}

10 Jul 2016 09:07:27
Not really Ed, with City's track record with Managers he would never have gone there no matter what money

Wenger is in his comfort zone it's very difficult to get someone to take something with risk, and risk isn't something Wenger does.

10 Jul 2016 09:47:00
Im sure there have been big job offers but with them would have come very high expectations and who would swap Arsenal and top 4 being enough for Real where a champions league and la liga double probably wouldn't be enough to keep your job?
As for city well Pelgrini and Mancini both lost the job despite winning titles and cups.
On a personal level Arsene made the sensible choice staying at Arsenal.

10 Jul 2016 10:08:59
To be fair Banbury say whatever about him underachieving the last few years who am I to argue that. But saying he isn't a risk taker. Surely rejecting the chance to go Madrid or city and stay at Arsenal during such a big transition is a huge risk?

10 Jul 2016 10:13:19
BG, I don't think Wenger can win in your eyes here. Either it's a big club and too much risk or it's a medium sized club. Key is, they all had money to burn so success was a pretty good bet BUT he stood by OUR club. Don't we slag players off for jumping ship. Now we do the opposite to the manager.
We moan when we don't sign players before the window starts or Euris are over, we moan he doesn't find cheap gems, we moan when he signs cheap players, we moan that the expensive players were gifted to him, we moan that players join other clubs probably for personal/ money/ tax/ exchange rate/ first team opportunities or size of club. We really need to sit back as a bunch of supporters and look at ourselves.
We are never happy and moan on the radio / on line etc.
Not a dig at you but pointing out how we look.
No one is guaranteed success
We don't have an endless supply of money
We don't have a sugar daddy
We don't have the history of success like UTD or Madrid or Barcelona

We do have great values, history as a club, strong squad, big fan base and a great manager -> we are quite lucky and do I want more -> yes of course but only one team wins the league and it's bloody hard.

09 Jul 2016 18:39:56
Who would you pick to be your Griezman for arsenal to play alongside Giroud?
Ox?
Sanchez?
Gnabry?
Campbell?
or
Draxler (if signed) ?

09 Jul 2016 19:35:34
Draxler but I think we will only get him if we let Sanchez go or to put it another and B better way we will only let Sanchez leave if we sign Draxler.

09 Jul 2016 19:40:21
More please.

09 Jul 2016 20:10:51
For us to challenge for the title, Giroud should not be first choice.

09 Jul 2016 20:39:01
Disagree he needs a good enough strike partner, he's good at holding the ball up but becomes isolated at times and would thrive on having a greizman type player to feed.

09 Jul 2016 21:26:03
We will never win the league with giroud as our striker, never ever.

09 Jul 2016 23:23:19
I'd take Griezmann thank you very much.

09 Jul 2016 13:39:39
Wow euros Havnt finished yet and because we have only signed one the Wenger out chants are off again the guy can't win.

09 Jul 2016 15:16:14
Your right

He can't win.

09 Jul 2016 15:59:18
Nobody else good do a better job than what he has done for this club.

09 Jul 2016 17:04:05
What has wenger achieved the last 12 years.

09 Jul 2016 17:07:44
We live in a relative world so some could do worse while others could do better. A lot will depend on what players stay and CL qualification.

We need to move away from what we've done and towards what we can do.

09 Jul 2016 17:09:02
If wenger was at a big club, he would of been sacked 8 years ago.

09 Jul 2016 17:27:13
Barn,

Brilliant last sentence.

Spot on buddy.

09 Jul 2016 17:44:13
If you consider Arsenal football club to less equipped to mount a serious title challenge over the last decade than Leicester and Liverpool (twice) then Arsene has done well.
But if on the other hand you consider Arsenal to be a very big club in premier league terms at least as big as Liverpool and definitely much much bigger than Leicester then Arsene has dramatically under achieved.
It all depends on your opinion of Arsenal football club is to how well Arsene has done, but either he's done well with a little club or done poorly with a big club you can't have it both ways.

09 Jul 2016 18:16:50
In the last twelve years he's achieved nothing that any one else could of. For me he isn't over achieving he's under achieving. He isn't doing anything special at all, just blocking the way for some one who could.

09 Jul 2016 19:42:55
As others say, they expect disappointment .

Malaga you are correct he'd be long gone

Dags good point made.

09 Jul 2016 19:36:09
Malaga in the last 12 years wenger has won the league undefeated, 3 fa cups, 3 charity shields, champions league runner up, qualified for the champions league knockout stage every year whilst having hardly any finances whilst the new stadium was built and paid for! Hardly a bad record!

09 Jul 2016 20:51:56
Gunnerwod he's had money to spend and chose not to. Ok last eleven years, good point, two fa cups the the com shield like our emirates cup is a friendly. The rest aren't cups. Not good enough, if he eas at a big club he would be sacked years ago.

09 Jul 2016 20:52:50
OMG wodbod is a regular arsenal poster lol.

10 Jul 2016 18:57:50
What has Wenger done for this club it should be not the last 12 years.

09 Jul 2016 09:46:39
We should consider the fact that Giroud and Kos might miss the opening game of the season.

09 Jul 2016 09:58:39
Don't they all have to have 4 weeks break after a summer's tournament?
Which will mean they will be back a week before the season kicks off.
Personally I wouldn't rush them back and give them until September if need be as those two being out long term would be pretty difficult to do without.

09 Jul 2016 10:15:11
Yes but with no training under their belt

I think the start of September looks likely.

09 Jul 2016 10:22:59
Well, Ramsey said he won't be back till the end of August, so I would think that kos and Giroudwill be back at least a week after.

09 Jul 2016 10:35:39
Two seasons back we played both Olly and Kos in a CL qualifier while injured because we didn't fancy it without them but both ended up out long term.
If we can't get the players to cope without them we should use tactics to deal with thier absence.

09 Jul 2016 23:33:55
And Sanchez given his new injury and enormous amount of games and miles he has clocked up in the last 2/3 seasons.

09 Jul 2016 00:23:18
Hey you all,
Would you take draxler to be our new striker?

09 Jul 2016 23:47:11
Not for me moe.

Has he been used as a striker? I've only seen him in a winger or SS role. Not a major goal scorer in any regard.

Got great feet but his not the finished article. Shows flashes of brilliance but if he hasn't regressed since coming to people attention at 19 he hasn't exactly improved either. When he was available and moved to wolfsburg there were no bigger takers for him which says a lot for me.

I enjoy watching him and his ilk in a player, head down taking lads on and beating them is a beauty to watch and we don't have enough of that imo. Sanchez gets shown on his weaker foot a lot and telegraphs his cut to the right foot every time. Ox used to do and succeed a lot more at that when he first arrived (i wonder if wenger drilled it out of his game because its higher risk of losing possession or something to that effect)

Anyway I rambling. As much as I like him and enjoy watching him I'm prefer spending the budget on more established central options and given Ox is the same age and similar type of player I'd stick with him

If it was a case that we could fund a move by shifting Ox I'd probably bite even though I'm a massive ox fan (often seems too immature to have the killer instinct that's needed)