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13 Oct 2018 12:35:09
So United treble winners are voted the best team of all time!
Steve will not be happy about that, not happy at all
:-)

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13 Oct 2018 16:56:17
I wouldn’t argue with that great achievement.

13 Oct 2018 17:12:45
Not saying they weren’t a great team but I’m a betting man and I would wager 99 times out of 100 three things wouldn’t happen again in succession . Bergy missing a pen Giggs worldie and two goals in two minutes of injury time! Mind you Pires penalty v Portsmouth was equally lucky! Makes up for Rooney’s dive to end 49 game run - not that I still hold it against him much! Invincibles for me and Steve should be unhappy ( but how would we know 😂😂) COYG.

13 Oct 2018 17:22:52
The original subject by the bbc was best prem team. It has been turned around by pundits, the treble had nothing to do with the prem. They weren't unbeaten in the prem and the other two comps shouldn't have come into the debate. Good luck to them, they were my second team, they didn't go unbeaten so, i don't get it.

13 Oct 2018 18:46:09
Some very good points there Sussex mate ;-)
Unfortunately Steve VAR isn't available in this poll mate ;-)
Maybe the phrase greatest premier league team meant to exclude Barcelona and Real rather than 100% premier league performances.
It's doesn't really matter it's just a poll of people's opinion and United have more fans than any other club so were always highly likely to come top which doesn't mean their achievement wasn't deserving just that people will always be biased, as was my vote for Arsenal:-) .

13 Oct 2018 19:49:56
I don't doubt the quality of that utd team, they were a very strong team, obviously very resilient and infinite quality but they got beat in the league, that shows signs of weakness to me. Lol.

13 Oct 2018 20:22:47
Boys I have a serious question for you. Those were great years in the premium. 2 top sides united and arsenal now my question is do arsenal miss Highbury. I was their a few times and there was a good atmosphere there. If you lot could vote would you have kept Highbury.
I know it's all about the money now but in a football sense was Highbury better?

13 Oct 2018 20:33:08
Just checking Steve do you think think the Invincibles were better because that United team lost in the Prem only you hadn’t mentioned it 😂😂😂😂COYG.

13 Oct 2018 20:42:01
Sussex, they got beat, didn't they. Lol.

13 Oct 2018 20:53:35
Highbury will always be a place where my memories of Arsenal were made. New ones need to be made at the Emirates. But at the end of the day it is only a sports stadium. A bloody good one, it just needs a few ghosts.

13 Oct 2018 20:59:32
Yes 12 mate i would go back to Highbury yesterday if possible mate.
To me the Emirates represents a time where Arsenal football club lost its footballing ambition and put financial success a long long way before football success.
Hopefully this might change going forward but for me we forgot to pack our football ambitions when we left Highbury.
The move to the Emirates has so far been horrible in terms of atmosphere and mentality.

13 Oct 2018 21:05:14
Steve If someone beat Bolts 100 metres world record time but only came 2nd in his next race would he still be a world record holder :-)

13 Oct 2018 21:20:35
Did they? I didn’t know! Leahy Highbury all day long and twice on Sunday which given Sky scheduling might just happen COYG.

13 Oct 2018 21:34:38
Gunner but he'd have been beaten.

13 Oct 2018 21:36:42
Talking about Sky scheduling Sussex our next 2 games are next Monday and the following Sunday and both on sky sports so worth a cheeky week pass at £13 apposed to two £8 day passes :-)
Every little helps :-) 4 bottles of Becks that is :-)

13 Oct 2018 21:56:29
62 in Florida at the moment beautiful 90 degrees and massive plus is they have Prem all over the place . If you can look past Robbie’s Earl and Mustoe coverage not too bad! Bit odd watching Fulham get thrashed at 7am though ( not (complaining though ) COYG.

13 Oct 2018 22:46:49
Sussex mate you don't know what your missing, it's been a lovely day in the UK today about 22 degrees with the warmest light winds you ever did feel plus aldi are doing a big daddy 16oz steak for a cheeky fiver right now :-)
I can only suggest you get yourself home whole stocks last :-)

14 Oct 2018 07:21:08
The United treble winning team was a superb team, with one of the best midfields I can recall. However, the achievement of going undefeated for a season, the only club to have done so in modern English top tier football, was an amazing feat. I marginally preferred the 1998 double winning team, who only lost one match all season. I would have to check which of these two great Arsenalsteams had a higher points tally. The Leicester title winning team also were a fabulous team, clearly not in the class of United or Arsenal, but what an achievement.

14 Oct 2018 09:15:30
I agree RG Leicester city are worth a mention simply because what they achieved in going from only escaping relegation in the last couple of weeks of the previous season to winning the title with 84 points the following season without spending a kings ransom is every bit as unlikely to be repeated as another team going a season unbeaten.
Plus some of the Liverpool teams of the 70s and 80s were pretty awesome too, money wasn't such a big factor back then but Liverpool under Shankley Paisley Fagan and Dalglish were a winning machine in an extremely competitive period both in the old first division and European cup, although typing this I've just remembered the question was about the premier league :- (
Wow I still shock myself sometimes with my stupidity levels and I've had 56 years to get used to it :-)

14 Oct 2018 16:21:17
I still find it ridiculous that they ask premier league specific questions instead of top flight as though everything before the PL was somehow lesser.

14 Oct 2018 21:46:19
Me too Eden mate, I still have trouble thinking of the football league clubs as anything other than 2nd 3rd and 4th division, mind you to me 50p will always be 10 Bob:-)

14 Oct 2018 22:56:15
G62 think you answered your own question there, no ones bettered our unbeaten run in terms of accumulating more points without been beaten.

Review Of The Day 13th October 2018

13 Oct 2018 07:29:01
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Review Of The Day 12th October 2018

12 Oct 2018 07:29:01
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11 Oct 2018 20:07:20
There is a stupid debate going on on the bbc about the best prem team. There is no debate. They are trying to use things like points and amount of goals scored, what a load of tripe. The invincibles are the best prem team ever. Not only did they go unbeaten, they had some of the best players the prem has ever seen. The defence, midfield, wide and center and attack had no weaknesses. The only team for me to run them close was the utd treble team because winning the treble is just as amazing but the other two comps don't count towards best prem team. To say citeh are better is rubbish, yes they got loads of points and scored loads of goals but their defence, was and still is suspect. They got humbled twice in the prem and their defence exposed. No contest as far as the prem goes, the invincibles, unbeaten!

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11 Oct 2018 20:49:41
It's all about opinion and how you chose to measure it mate.
Of course it's the invincibles for me too because I'm an Arsenal fan and I loved every minute of watching them and their Arsene Wenger predecessors too, sexy sexy football and served up with players who had fantastic style and played with a Cheeky smile quite often too.
But some of the Liverpool teams of the 70s 80s were pretty tasty and of course City last season breaking records for goals and points in much more competitive premier league than when Arsenal and United played out a 2 horse tittle race.
Pele or Maradona
Ronaldo or Messi

Best ever song?
Greatest singer ever?
Best film ever made?
There is no answer simply because it's all just opinion and we all have our own personal opinion that is different others.

Your right Steve it is a stupid debate mate.

11 Oct 2018 21:22:57
Gunner, i agree but it is a league and its over 9 months, different eras, different teams the objective however strong or weak the league is/ was percieved, is to win it. To win it through three seasonal periods, with differing weather types, injuries, referees and good/ bad decisions is the hardest thing you can do to go unbeaten. Until someone does the same and beats them by 1 point, they are not the best prem team. Until citeh got all them points last season, i don't think there was a debate, what does it matter if you are 2 points better off or 15 points better off winning the league, if you are beaten, you have a weakness that has been exposed. No one else in England has ever done it in the top league, ever.

11 Oct 2018 21:41:40
In your opinion that is mate :-)
Just out of interest Steve what if a team played 38 won 37 lost 1 scored 100 goals conceded just 5 all season, would that 1 defeat mean they were inferior to the invincibles automaticly in your opinion ?

11 Oct 2018 21:57:44
Yes because they haven't managed in that season to go unbeaten, they got exposed by someone. Arguably the invincibles didnt, they had a stronger mentality or resilience.

11 Oct 2018 22:16:18
Its different eras so its only opinion but a little experiment for you gunnner. Write both teams down, go through them man for man and see what your ultimate team would be and how many from each team would get in. I've got more arsenal but then maybe i'm biased.

11 Oct 2018 22:23:16
Gunner, i can't swap Lehman, cambell, cole, vierra, pirez, henry and bergy for any of their counterparts. Lol, Even toure for stones, would be hard.

11 Oct 2018 22:35:25
Steve I can't find room for many city players either mate but we are biased, we can't help but be because we watched those players each and every week we lived than season with them, we were memorised by them.
Here's a question mate, what if Perez hadn't conned the ref by diving v Portsmouth and won that penalty that turned a 1 0 nil defeat into a 1 1 draw, would the invincibles have been less brilliant in your eyes?

12 Oct 2018 01:16:07
Definitely, gunner.

12 Oct 2018 07:31:31
It may be harder to be unbeaten now but that’s the yardstick

Everyone has an opinion - hence it’s a debate%? Conclusions aren’t always right ( sure we’ve had a Labour government ) 😉

It’s ckearly the invincibles although may be we had a better team before the invincibles.

12 Oct 2018 07:52:27
Fair enough mate, we are all different which again highlights how ridiculous the bbc debate was in the first place.

12 Oct 2018 09:16:51
Also guys, while being unbeaten in the league we also went and achieved the longest unbeaten run of 49.should have been more.

12 Oct 2018 10:16:17
Hey SY what a game it would be between the 97/ 98 double winners and the invincibles?
Very different debate which was the better side of the two.

12 Oct 2018 18:56:59
G62 - I was a huge fan of the 1998 Arsenal double winning side, which had the keeper and defence of the George Graham era, a superb midfield of Parlour, Vieira, Petit and Overmars, with Anelka and Bergkamp up top, Wrighty was still about too.
Was that the team that only had one defeat, away to Chelsea when Bould went off and we lost?

12 Oct 2018 20:54:23
Hi RG I think if remember right it was under George we had that one defeat at Chelsea mate, I remember George response when asked what happens now the unbeaten run had come to an end, he simply said " we go on another unbeaten run " and we did.
Personally I'm not much of one for being swayed by stats 100% only and although that 97/ 98 side weren't invincibles in my opinion they were every bit as good.
I'm in no way trying to diminish the amazing achievement achieved by our 2003/ 2004 side but sometimes the difference between going unbeaten or losing just 1 game isn't always about ability or greatness, a refs mistake, opposition player scoring a worldie from 40 yards or a striker missing an open goal from 2 yards out can be the only difference between the 37 or 38 unbeaten.
Uniteds treble winners got the rub of the green here and there and so of course did the invincibles at certain points too.

12 Oct 2018 23:37:13
Pretty sure only lost one game in 1990/ 91 season remember my daughter born 1st Feb that year same day or weekend! Almost invincibles 20 years earlier! ( son made up for it born on 26th May! United won the treble and fair play but a bergkamp penalty miss a giggs worldie and two last minute goals even George Best had left the stadium early for! Great team but spawney as! COYG.

13 Oct 2018 11:01:46
62 - that would be a game and a half. I feel the defence was stronger in 97/ 8. I loved Overmars and thought he was our best finisher when under pressure but Freddie was super cool infront if goal and Robbie was just super. I feel going forward and midfield that the invincibles have it. The attack would make the difference. The defence of 1998 and the midfield plus the attack of 2003/ 4 would be an interesting team. Pires Silva Vieira Freddie - that midfield has everything. Skill, goals, power, defence, speed, coolness.

13 Oct 2018 11:54:24
One things for sure SY mate none of Liam Brady Stapleton O'leary or any of today's players would even get on the bench if we picked a best Arsenal 18 from the last 40 years and every player that did make the 18 man squad would have played under Arsene Wenger, obviously some would have played under George and Arsene but none would be totally George players.
The last 14 years have made it easy to forget just how brilliant Arsene was at his very best and how lucky and spoilt we were by him in those first 8 years.

11 Oct 2018 11:04:07
Hello Ed's! I haven't posted here in a long time but I have a question. I presume you have all seen arsenal this season and I have the question, where do u think we will finish the season based on our performances this season? I'm interested to see if u think we are getting carried away!?

{Ed001's Note - I think somewhere between 4th and 6th. While there is a lot of people getting carried away with the performances, which have not been all that good overall. I mean giving up 21 shots to a team as utterly awful as Fulham is not a good performance to my mind. I watched that game and Arsenal were ok, but it was no different from the kind of performance we saw under Wenger in far too many respects. It is clear Emery has not fixed the underlying issues at all. All he has done is enhanced the strong points and it has created the same hysteria amongst Arsenal fans we used to get every year under Wenger when they got off to a good start. I remember we used to have a couple of Arsenal editors in the past, nice lads but every time the team won a game they would be telling me Arsenal were going to win the league.

The key is for Arsenal to keep the run going and build confidence and then 4th is theirs. However any blip in the near future could completely derail things. One good thing is that Emery has at least realised that Lacazette is a better option than PEA up front. While PEA scores goals, he adversely affects the rest of the performance imo. Lacazette does more for the team as a whole.

This is a long season and it is only natural to get excited by a good run of results, but not one Arsenal performance has actually stood out to me as a good one. Results good, yes. Performances have looked shaky and on the verge of losing. However that was exactly the same with every team I have ever seen Emery manage. He never seems to build a team that is able to just dominate and control games. They always allow chances and always look like they are going to concede, no matter how weak the opponent. Sometimes they get results anyway, but it always feels like his team are getting away with it to a degree and at some point will be found out. When things turn sour for him, they always seem to crash down around his ears because he is not good at dealing with the big egos, which is why it is probably for the best Ramsey goes.}

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11 Oct 2018 11:44:21
Thanks Ed for the detailed response, I’m just hoping we win the Europa league. It may be a bit evil for me to ask but how long do u see emery staying at arsenal?

{Ed001's Note - I expect him to be given time, he has a big job on his hands and I am sure he will be given a chance to prove if he can do it. At worst I would say 2 seasons. I do think probably more though.}

11 Oct 2018 12:13:09
Well said ed it’s nice to get a run of games but if the teams we have played were better teams then I think the mood would be different here but Iam happy so far and it’s going to take a while b4 we are back challenging.

11 Oct 2018 12:59:02
But the good news is we didn't play better teams we played who we played and beat them while in the process we saw our team play with much more effort and work rate plus we've seen certain individuals show more than we previously thought them capable of.
All is not perefect but all is really positive at Arsenal right now and absolutely none of us knows what's going to happen over the next 7 months to any team not just Arsenal, maybe United amd Jose will prove everyone wrong and win the champions league maybe Wolves will finish top 4 at the expense of of one of Liverpool City Chelsea, it's football and nothing is impossible in football just ask Forest and Leeds fans or Wimbledon and Liecester fans.
If you can't enjoy the hope that a fresh start brings then what's the point of following any team other than an already winning one?

11 Oct 2018 13:21:01
Early days, but the three unbeaten teams: Chelsea, Liverpool and Man C, look a good bet for the top three. Leaving Arsenal, Man U and the Toot fighting for 4th place.
As usual much will depend on how teams cope with playing European and domestic cup football, the amount of players on International duty, injuries and suspensions. Perhaps my judgement is somewhat opinistic as a result of the current run of 9 consecutive wins, but I have a feeling we may just nick 4th place, particularly as Man U are dealing with the Mourinho situation and the Toot have to cope with having had many players at the World Cup Finals and playing in the spate of Internationals, with the additional burden of having not made a single signing and the move to the new stadium.

11 Oct 2018 14:17:21
Couldn’t agree more ed01,

I currently like Leno, Kolasinac, Torriera, Gouendouzi, Ozil, Lacazette and PEA. I’m not going with any of this new and improved Xhaka or Iwobi until I see it when it really matters.

We’ve not looked much if any better than the teams we’ve beaten and clearly worse than the teams we’ve lost too.

It’s early days and if I had to point at one plus it would be me and our defence don’t 💩 ourselves when they pass back to Leno.

11 Oct 2018 15:28:39
There is a lot more to be optimistic than pessimistic about Arsenal right now and than there has been for a lot of years.
Early days for sure but we can only go on what we've seen so far from a new manager who has no Arsenal past good or bad by which anyone can sensible judge him on, so far so good and without the benefit of a crystal ball what more can be known than what we've seen with our own eyes.

11 Oct 2018 23:44:54
Thanks Ed for your response, I do think their are issues in defence and I just hope that he does sort them out.

{Ed001's Note - early days yet and the issues are much less than last season, so the signs are good so far.}

Review Of The Day 11th October 2018

11 Oct 2018 07:29:01
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11 Oct 2018 08:54:06
I hope Henry doesn't get the Monaco job.
It's a near impossible job for any manager, especially one just about to start, unless they invest money back in.

11 Oct 2018 07:16:49
Leno has been called up by Germany for International duty and I have been impressed by him so far, He is exactly what we needed, a tall experienced keeper that can play out from the back. Emery has handled him superbly, as starting initially would have undermined Cech and placed immense pressure on Leno.
Perhaps we should extend Cech's deal on a yearly basis, giving us two quality keepers. I have yet to be impressed by Martinez, who would probably benefit from regular first team football.

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11 Oct 2018 02:29:15
I really like everyones optimism surrounding the club, but really, we lost to City and Chelsea so far, we have had a run of fixtures we should win and have won, great, that being said, let's see where we are at come January, after we played the Spuds and Liverpool a couple times, Ya have to beat the teams ahead of you - I like where the club is headed and think in a year or two under Uni, we will be realistically challenging for the PL Cup. COYG.

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11 Oct 2018 05:28:46
I agree that after the 2 defeats, we have won all of the following matches, that we should have won. However, under the previous regime we often failed to win such matches consistently.
Under Emery there is a definite and noticeable improvement in fitness, strength and endurance. The players appear to be enjoying life under Emery and are playing with a freedom that wasn't permitted under Wenger, who became increasingly controlling as time passed.
Of course there is a long way to go. More signings are needed as Emery only brought in 5 to date, of which one is a veteran as cover for Bellerin and Guendouzi is a teenager, an impressive one albeit. I can't say I will be sorry to see Ramsey leave, apart from one season when he scored regularly. He hasn't really impressed, flattering to deceive.
The test will come when we play the top clubs, with Liverpool and Man U on the agenda. As long as we keep beating the teams that we should beat, all looks promising. The injury situation doesn't appear as bad as under Wenger. Emery inherited an injured Koscielny, whose recovery seems ahead of schedule. Maitland-Niles has an impact injury. It looks like we could enter the busy December and January period with a full squad, bar any new injuries suffered.

11 Oct 2018 09:47:27
The only 2 teams liverpool have failed to beat so far are the same 2 teams we have failed to beat so far so what does that say about us and them?
Liverpool are obviously a far better side than us but they are 3 years into their rebuild but still a work in progress while we are just a couple of months into our rebuild but already showing signs of huge improvement.
Liverpool will challenge for this season's title and we obviously won't but there would be something very wrong somewhere if it was the other way round.
Enjoy this good run of results for as long as it lasts (hopefully the rest of the season:-) but don't be to despondent if we lose to Liverpool City Chelsea or even spuds and United because Dick inherited an Arsenal in a state of total disrepair and with an awful mentality. The other big clubs all have managers in their 3rd season or longer at their clubs apart from Chelsea who although like us have a new manager but they were runaway champions just 2 seasons ago not 14 seasons ago like us.
we started this season at the back of the grid a very distant 6th behind teams much more advanced than us and anything that shows that gap closing this season has to be a tick in the plus column for me, 5th would be good 4th incredible and anything more would simply mean we were all asleep and having the same dream because top 3 is such an unrealistic even if possible thing to imagine this season.

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10 Oct 2018 10:58:13
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10 Oct 2018 08:03:14
It has been ages since I enjoyed the start to a season as much as this season under Emery. Seeing players improve as they get fitter, stronger and are free to express their talents. The PL is extremely difficult to win this season with Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea unbeaten after nearly a quarter of the season. Whilst Man U and the Toot are strong competitors for a top four spot. With the exception of the Toot, all the clubs have trophy-winning managers.
I can't wait for the Leicester match, after the personic International matches.
Question for fellow Gooners; name the three most improved players under Emery.

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10 Oct 2018 09:16:48
Iwobi
Mustafi
Lacazette.

10 Oct 2018 09:42:54
Mustafi
Xhaka
Laca.

10 Oct 2018 11:36:55
Lacasette
Iwobi
Belerin.

10 Oct 2018 13:23:22
I agree with the others mentioned, but no so much Lacazette. Yes he’s in a fine run of form but he was on a fine run at the end of last season. He just needed a run of games in my opinion . He maybe has improved a little but is certainly not in the top 3 most improved in my opinion.

10 Oct 2018 15:33:20
Cech, iwobi and holding. But all three for me are behind their fellow team mates but have improved their game since last season.

10 Oct 2018 15:35:50
I think Lacasette is out top man now mate ahead of Pea and for me that's some improvement on where he was last season under Arsene.
It's really difficult to call which players have improved the most because it depends how you measure it, if you use percentages then it's obviously Xhaka who is the most improved from 0.5/ 100 last season to 20/ 100 this season which is what 4000% improvement? but if Lacasette has gone from 60/ 100 last season to 80/ 100 it's only a 25% increase compared to Xhaka 4000%.
For me Lacasette has gone from a good premier league striker to a very very good premier league striker while Xhaka has stopped being a liability and is starting to show some real potential of possibly becoming an asset if he continues to work much harder than he has in the past.
The most unrecognisable player from his Arsenal displays of the past is Iwobi, there is nothing from his Arsenal past that compares to what we are seeing now from him.

10 Oct 2018 19:48:22
Nah not for me g62! He started last season ok, got injured and took a while to get sharpe and had a good run at the end of last season, he’s also not the main man he is far more effective through the middle but PEA is also as effective through the middle, the difference is that PEA can also play wide to similar effect. They both scored two identical goals a piece . Pea got an assist . Holding is a great shout Steve.

10 Oct 2018 20:06:32
We all see things differently mate but for me Pea isn't anywhere near as good playing wide as down the middle, central he's top draw wide he's not that special for me.

10 Oct 2018 20:40:13
I think modern strikers have to be more flexible, play wide, play central, drop off and be more intelligent than just playing down the middle. Salah, henry, messi, suarez, mbappe, ronaldo, neymar and i include our two and many more have to be more flexible. The "central" striker is becoming less common.

10 Oct 2018 20:43:39
Hmm sort of what I said then g62 😂.

10 Oct 2018 20:56:09
Mustafi
Xhaka
Cech - think he’s done this himself by getting fit over the summer rather than Emery impact

Iwobi a Close 4th.

10 Oct 2018 21:24:25
Sort of mate apart from Pea being similarly effect out wide where I think he's only ok rather than anything special :-) .

10 Oct 2018 21:29:09
Hows Cech improved?

10 Oct 2018 21:47:07
Jack, cech last season was a liability in goal. This season (passing apart) he kept us in games and allowed us to win games we did not deserve. He looked fitter and brighter than he did last term.

10 Oct 2018 21:50:57
Is he "out wide" the goal he scored similar to laacas at the weekend was collected outside the right hand post and inside the six yard box, on the right side when he scored. Wasnt his other goal scored on the right hand side as well?

 


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