12 May 2012 16:48:14
Does anyone else think that the other club talking to M'Vila could be city, isn't De Jong leaving them in the summer.
There is supposedly another English club that has come in for M'Vila to why the talks with Arsenal have broken down!
I can't see him fitting into Citys team unless they move Barry on aswell. Who would have De Jong, he's a menace. In my opinion the only place in England for him is Arsenal, but I don't know how things are working out.
I actually thought it came out a while ago that City wanted him?
This is the thing, if we aren't prepared to blow other offers out of the water and offer the player an attractive salary etc, then going in for him in the first place is just a waste of time. Its like test driving a car for the sake of it, and us fans are the salesman who doesn't get paid so to speak. It's such a criminal waste of time to go to a player like Mata or M'Vila and say 'look we'll buy you but you'll be getting paid the same as Djourou and Chamakh' - it's a piss take. If City are prepared to offer more for him then that's where he'll go. What a waste.
To the first responder, with City's money does matter if he fits into there team as long as it blocks another side from getting him!
M8 please dont speak such common sense, other people on here will struggle to understand it and then shoot you down for being negative. If we want m'vila we will pay the required amount, and if we dont want him, then we wont. Its as simple as that.
Its not that simple at all. I think you are wrong.
We don't get the players we need/want because we refuse to pay the required amount. Examples of this include: Gary Cahill, Juan Mata, and soon to be demonstrated further when we dont buy Eden Hazard.
so not sure you really know what you are talking about
Spain Gooner
Nonsense...Gary Cahill...we offered 8million I think?Bolton thought it was preposterous and were still asking for 12-14million....what did he reportedly go for to chelsea7million?...so am sorry if a club asks for silly money we don't have to take it...does Carroll really cost 30million?
Es
Mate the required amount = the asking price at time of bid
Our valuation means nothing if we dont get the player
Spain Gooner
Spain Gooner's right, we need to learn to actually pay the asking price. Yes there may be some room for negotiation, but only in the sense that in business 'everything is negotiable'. In realistic terms this measn very little, you cannot go somewhere like Tesco and tell them you'll offer them £2 for a meal deal instead of £2.50, it just doesn't work. Yes in the case of Cahill Bolton over-priced him out of a move and lost out, but that's their problem. Ours is that we apparently wanted him but not for the money. Wenger contradicts himself every window by saying he is happy tp pay for the quality and he blows smoke up his own arsenal by saying the players must fit into his 'jigsaw' and whatnot, well if they fit arsene and they are the player we need then it doesn't matter if they're 5 mil or 35 mil, if you want them then you need to cough up. The point isn't that Cahill was on offer for around 14 mil, it's the fact that we wanted him but wouldn't pay. We wanted Mata but wouldn't pay. We wanted Goetze but wouldn't pay 5m more. It is utterly crass behaviour from a top club. All the top clubs spend what it takes to land the player, except us.
You pay quality for the right price...you don't harm you bottom line just because someone asks for silly money...have any of you sat in a negotiations environment?
You would know that it is tricky and full of antics on both sides and it is a game of poker and leverage...so I find it funny when people come up with criticisms that indicate a certain naïveté about such dealings....it is a long process at times...so,sometimes it pays off other times it doesn't...look at Walcott do you know how many clubs were after him and we got him? So let's all be PATIENT and see what hAppens instead of all of us getting hot under the collar prematurely
ES
And to the person saying all the top club pay top dollar no questions asked...that's clearly not true and shows an indifference to what is involved in financing such dealings...your bank balance may show a good balance butcyou still have to structure a deal and it's payments in a way that doesn't leave you exposed...it is tough economically out there at the moment and looking at clubs like Barcelona that have their own image rights thus financial muscle they are also having to limit what they can pay for a player(including bonuses,wages,etc..)
From past experiences on negotiations...it is not easy
Es
'we dont get the players we need/want because we refuse to pay the required amount'
Thanks for re-iterating exactly what I said and then telling me I am wrong for saying it. Must be the Spanish sun getting to your mind.
What the hell are you all talking about.Chelsea buy players from the pocket of abrahamovic not chelsea football clubs' pocket,Man city from the pocket of the dubai billionaire not from Man city's pocket.The point is we can not compete with these people they can afford to bring out money without bathing an eyelid Arsenal only depends on arsenal football clubs' budget which has already been affected by the building of the new stadium.You all should give kudos to wenger for even keeping up with the best despite the low purchasing power.You just keep talking about paying up as if the money is every blade of grass on the emirate's pitch
To the last respondent..well put
es
No other english clubs has come in for mvila and neither the talks are broken down. They have been postponed till the next week so that we can get a clear indication of where we stand in terms of champions league
And to some of the very informed out there, gotze was coming in and we fell short of million? Well that's b****cks.. As for mata its not that we did not wanted to pay. We do not had the money and had to wait on for champions league qualification. At that instant chelsea came in and hijacked the deal. They offered mata around 8mill as a signing fee amount. But I do agree that we do not like to pay what is required but in case of mata and gotze you are mistaken.
To the "no other english" responder a player like M'vila does not come on to the market and speaks only to one club they use clubs to leverage against each other to push up there deals.
I admit but the all that stuff is now over so I never said no talks to "any other club". They had discussions with madrid, arsenal and inter. Madrid diverted their attention towards biglia while it was only inter and arsenal in the race... And its all false that "talks are broken"... Talks with Rennes are over, all is now left is the player. And arsenal wont be decisive until they find out where they stand...
And I repeat, arsenal did not get mata because they were offering less money is all made up... It was because we waited for that champions league qualification which ultimately delayed the deal and meanwhile chelsea came in.. In general I do admit that we dont pay what is required but that was not the case with mata or gotze either.
However, gooners dont get your hopes high.. We are finding new ways of ballsing our deals up.. Lets get 3rd and then have patience.
For all the people screaming about Valuations - you are playing too much football manager.
It's not a groery store. There isn't a label stuck to a player's big toe with a price on it. You think the Daily Mail has any basis for a statement like (35 mln for Hazard) - this is an estimation of his value and a simplifiation of his price. No one pays for players fully upfront anymore - deals are always structured with bonuses over time.
Wenger's initial bid is based on his initial value.... ANY BUYER'S BID WILL ALWAYS BE LESS THAN A SELLER'S OFFER.
That is basic market dynamics. So Wenger is not being cheap. The alternative is to enter the market with ZERO strategy and end up spending like liverpool.
Billybob
I originally posted this post and didn't expect so mush interest. I personally believe it will 50-50 between us and city, but I just gotta feeling were get him because I think were try harder to get hin
than the others, but City do need to replace De Jong.
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