Arsenal Rumours Archive March 15 2012

 

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15 Mar 2012 22:13:29
i honestly dont think we should be waisting money on big players, we shold be looking to buy players to cover r top players, poldolski will be a top signing as he will hopefully persuade Van Persie to stay, mabey buy another couple of backups, i see people saying we need CDM and CAM, we dont, besides Van Persie and Koscienly, Ramsey and Song have been the best players for r team this season. after we mabey buy backups we should be looking to sell players. click believe if u agree

no.1 gunners fan

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Ramsey?

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Ramsey one of our best players this season!
Do you actually watch the games?
He has been pants in most games..
We he doesn't play we win...

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For me player of the season was song!

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Podolski is going to be enough to persuade v.persie to stay? you are soo deluded.

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I am not even going to address you by your name!!
when some 1 says we!do you go to games?
do you actually spend any money?
you think we should only buy back ups and think ramsey has been 1 of our top player?
what have we won or achieved except cl football?
if any 1 agrees with the worst post that has ever been posted on here i am going to slit my wrists!!
no1 muppet you need serious help
dave.w

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Ramsey is one of our best players? Tricky statement - I don't think he is a bad player, but clearly playing out of position. A CAM should have a great first touch, good vision and quick movement.

If Ramsey were deployed deeper - he would be more successful. Bear in mind originally arteta was our cam and Ramsey was playing alongside song. Neither could really claim the cam role the way Rosicky had (surprisingly enough).

Billybob452

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I agree with Dave W Ramsey has not played well at all this season he will be lucky to get another game and is for sure behind, Rosicky
now after his fine recent form. If Wilshire also returns the best he can hope for is a spot on the bench. Even for that for me right now he is behind Diarby and Coqulan(spelling)

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Ramsey best player u sad individual he has been pants and what about vermaelen hasnt he been good and its funny how every other arsenal fan has said we need a cam because we dont create enough through the centre of the park think before u post something

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Dave.w whilst I agree with every other bit of your post the point about going to games is weak for me. Anybody who pays for sky or goes to the pub which pays a license means the club is getting money. Anybody who buys kit or even a mug or calender contributes. (a printed long sleeve shirt is something like Ł68 pounds) As a supporter he has the right to say we. I go to some matches but don't like when fans think they are superior for going to them. Some people simply can't afford it mate.(I am just trying to unite the fans I am not having a dig honestly, I just prefer when every supporter feels he can say we because they have an interest in the club even if it just an emotional interest.)

Bermy Gooner {Ed002's Note - Don't for one minute think that the club get Ł68 or anything even close to that when you buy a shirt.}

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Ed002 If you mean the club doesn't get the full price because of the costs included in making the shirt and to players does that mean that the club doesn't get anywhere near the ticket prices for games whilst they are still paying off the bank for the stadium?

Bermy Gooner {Ed002's Note - The money from the sale of shirts goes to Nike who pay Arsenal to sponsor them. If Arsenal sell the shirts in their own store or from their own web site then they will get the merchants cut of the sale price. If a shirt is sold through another retail outlet the club get nothing.}

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Your right!
i will take back that comment..
dave.w

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Thanks Ed002 I didn't realize how little the club gets for shirts just because I have heard rumors like we bought Park for shirt sales but if the club doesn't make much from shirts sales it would seem that a club wouldn't buy a player for shirt sales revenue.

Bermy Gooner {Ed002's Note - There is a great deal of misinformation about shirt sales. The sponsorship paid by Nike each year is the major income from shirts. Park was certainly not bought for shirt sales.}

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Hilarious post and replies :) good work lads!

Ramsey I think has been one o our most RELIBALE players and has done a job where we had nobody else and come back from injury to play far far too many games. Neither has he complained so in this respect yes he has been a performer for us.

Is he one of our actual 'best' players? No I don't think he is yet, not in the same bracket as Song Vermaelen or Arteta, or even Sagna or Koscielny.

Nobody is in the Van Persie bracket :) He is too good to share it!

CS

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I hoenstly think Ramsey isnt good enough. Jack all the way

Rob

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I did not say ramsey has been r best player but like the post above i simpliy stated that he has been a reliable player for us this season + use all have no room to talk about saying i hav no clue about arsenal when use have wrote on ur posts that we need a cam and then wen i post something use all say that rosicky has amazing form, then whats the point buying a cam.

no.1 gunners fan

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Hi new to posting in this site although ive been reading for a while.

I think Arsenal fans need to lay off Ramsey a little. CS is right he has done a job for us, yeah at times he hasn't been great. However I dont think any of us or Arsene himself really expected (or wanted) him to feature quite as much as he has this season. I personally think speaks volumes of such a young player coming back from such a major injury. Ramsey will come good!

Also in reply to the ED, Park would have been for shirt sales in Asia as most of the top four have stores over there and benefit from having an Asian in the squad (like Ji-Sung Park has been for ManU its a trend more prem clubs are picking up on). They love the prem over there and would go mad about an asian player being in the team they support. There was massive hype in asia with Ryo Miyaichi before he even played a game. I also think that Park maybe at Arsenal to help Ryo bed in to european life. {Ed013's Note - Welcome to the site. It helps on the Arsenal site if you sign your posts off with your name/nickname etc. It will help build your reputation with the long standing fans that post}

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Thanks ED as the post above was my first i wasn't sure if it would put my name that i put in the top field at the end =)

DS {Ed013's Note - No Worries}

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Id agree with van the man kos and song but are you kiddin me with ramsey slows everything down so in my opinion he can head right off

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15 Mar 2012 19:01:50
If a well known person in the job for 20 years like javier Perez claims to have spoken to matias suarez about his pre contract with arsenal, ur sounds true, even if it is Dnt mean it will happen but it's 90 % likely as perez claims its already struck only residency papers left

Cheers to Perez

Real-goon {Ed002's Note - If there is a pre-contract between Suarez and Arsenal then Arsenal have acted illegally and can expect a lengthy transfer ban.}

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Ed surely its possible that pre-agreement and pre-contract have been confused {Ed002's Note - I have no idea. I have given my view. Any agreement between Arsenal and Suarez would be illegal and would result in a ban for Arsenal. There is no question of this. If you or your Twitter friend think Arsenal have tapped this player up and any agreement is in place, then fine.}

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Ed002 - Pre contract agreements happen all the time and are do not flaunt any FIFA or UEFA laws. Who says Anderlecht haven't given him permission to discuss terms whilst the two clubs sort out the transfer fee?

Football transfers don't all follow a set pattern of events. A friend of mine plays centre back for Watford and each of his transfers have followed a very different path {Ed002's Note - No. Such agreements can only be made in the last 6 months of a player's contract and then only with a club playing in a different federation. Try reading up on the rules.}

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So are bayern in trouble for sign shaquiri from basel ed? {Ed002's Note - Of course not. The agreement is between the clubs not a pre-contract between one club and a player who is contracted to another.}

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I'm aware that in the last six months of a players contract he is free to speak with other club, this however is not the point I made, which you would see if you read my post.

What I said was that it is not uncommon for players to be agreeing personal terms with a club at THE SAME TIME as the clubs are agreeing a fee. If Anderlecht have given permission for us to speak with him then no rules have been broken. I'm a friend of Martin Taylor and it's fact that he agreed personal terms with Birmingham before they had agreed a transfer fee with Blackburn. Various circumstances can dictate in which order the steps of conducting a transfer happen. {Ed002's Note - That was not what was asked and not what Perez has apparently said.}

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Have you actually seen his twitter because he claims that the club have suarez agree to let him go as arsenal have triggered a release clause but suarez was not ready to leave so a contract was drawn with both clubs do that in summer. is that illegal? {Ed002's Note - I don't use Twitter and have no interest in it. The question asked was about a Pre-contract between Arsenal and Suarez. No such agreement exists or Arsenal are acting illegally as I have explained. Suarez may well move to Arsenal in the summer but talk of release clauses and contracts are not correct.}

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As soon this Perez guy said Holtby is also done I didnt believe him anymore. Nothing in german press about it. He is just another ITK who will be proved wrong in summer about a few "done" deals!!

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Love all these "I don't read twitter" reference drops by Ed. hahah! Cheers. {Ed013's Note - We really don't use it}

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It was not done illegally... he was allowed to join us but delayed because of his work permit but he is waiting for his belgium resisdency paper and after that he is fine to come to arsenal

do not see anything illegal in that :)

real-goon

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Is this not similar to reports regarding Podolski? {Ed002's Note - Not at all.}

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15 Mar 2012 18:47:35
ed, just curious if podolski DID under go a medical? {Ed002's Note - No he did not.}

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Ed is correct no medical has undergone, arsenal could only ask for previous and future records only

Real-goon

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15 Mar 2012 14:41:53
Guys you do realise that if Vertonghen came here to be back up, all his current fans would turn on him because he'd be moving 'just for the glory' and not game time. I was tempted to say for the money but we all know that isn't true ha ha. Kos and Verm are arguabl the two best CBs in the league together, although I'm sure Liverpool, Man City and Man U would disagree...but they are, or have the potential to be at least. Where would Vertonghen fit in? We are never going to tempt a player of that quality to leave first team top level football in one league to come here and be back up. Sadly it's players like Samba that would have been golddust - every attribute of a top CB who should be playing top 4 footy and champs league any day, but at a rubbish club. We need to look for that kind of player to come in as CB. Any suggestions?

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Well Vertonghen provides backup across the backline, and at the DM position. I think he'll mainly be used there instead of Song (who I get a sneaky suspicion might be leaving) as Vertonghen is excellent. Besides, who would complain if we brought him in?

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The advantage of signing Vertonghen is that he is a very versatile player. He can play centre back, full back, or defensive mid. Signing a player like this is great for a club with a history of injury issues because he can fill in where needed. And of course, he is a very decent player.

Signing him shouldn't be top priority by any means though. The defense has good depth now and defensive mid has Coquelin and Frimpong coming up. The money should be spent elsewhere.

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Doubt Vertonghen is priority, but I'll be a happy man if he comes in. He is a leader and takes everything by the scruff of the neck.

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I'm the OP - I'm not suggesting that signing him would be bad for us at all, far from it! However, in his fans' eyes and in his eyes, why would he come here? That's what I'm saying. Because he would be on the bench some of the time, nqa. Look how we all mocked Nasri because he left to go sit on the bench. In Ajax fans' eyes, unless he goes somewhere and starts, it's no different.

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But there is a big difference from playing for Ajax who r 5th in the dutch league and coming to Arsenal who can produce a team that can win trophies. Doesnt mean he is glory chasing. All top players want to win...he has been at ajax a long time, might want a change, different league...simple as that

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When is every 1 that disagrees with signing vertonghen going to get it into there heads we dont play with the same 11 players week in week out and we play in 4 competitions!!
if we are doing well we can end up playing over 55 games in a season!!
this has all ways been the problem strength in dept..
you dont put 8 young players surrounded by experience you put 8 experienced players surrounded by youth!!
we only have 1 left sided cb do you not think wenger knows this!
every 1 complains we dont go for quality and when we do there is stupid comments like the 1st post!
its about time the club went for players like vertonghen and more like him!
dave.w

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Well said dave.w. people forget how often r players drop with injury. Imagine game 1 next season Verm goes down, wont b as bad if we have Vertonghen to step in.

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Dave completely fair point and please do not get my post confused with not wanting him, I am just saying do you honestly think he will come to us over other teams? I know he'd get games of course and I know we need the depth but how do you think signing him will affect Kos and Vermaelen? All I am saying is are there not defenders who could be as goo in the squad but who won't upset the balance we have quite so much?

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Totaly agree with you dave, well said verm has had had some long term injurys
if he goes down again we will be buggerd.

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I disagree with everything you've said it can only be good for arsenal as the cb's can fight for a starting place.

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You seem to be Gary Cahill...^^

Stefan

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I know hes coming and i am expecting 2 or 3 more big signings as well this summer!!
dave.w

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Haha I would only have had Cahill as a back up/Djourou replacement. The only difference is he can shoot.

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I think we should look at felipe santana he is a 6'4 centre back that is good in the air who is really fast for a centre back, he is perfect player for us as he dosent get much playing time at burissa dortmund ahead of hummels and subotic + he would cost that much or the big of wages

no.1 gunners fan

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I mean he wouldnt cost that mutch or he wouldnt have that big of wages

no.1 gunners fan

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15 Mar 2012 14:33:14
Eds just wondering if you have any idea the sort of money the club spends on their scouting network each year? We seem to be 'in the race' for absolutely every single player that is or isn't available, it's crazy. So presumably we send scouts all over the world and pay their flights and accommodation in hotels in foreign countries etc etc....just thinking what's the point? We never sign anyone we scout! Almost every single day there's a new rumour that we're not even looking at but literally 'trying' to sign a new person. It's ludicrous. Off the top of my head I can think of Abdellaoue, Belhanda, Msakne, Goetze, Hazard, Dembele, Dempsey, Holbty, Maher, Suarez, Podolski, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Granero, Jadson, M'Vila, Corgnet, Giroud, Doumbia, MMM, Jurado, Dzagoev, Hoilett, Tello, Lucas Rodrigues, Yarmolenko, Gaitan, Odemwingie, Tiote, Ali Cissoko, Moussa Sissoko, Walter Samuel, Samba.....I mean that is a fraction of the players we've been linked with!

What would you say is more disappointing? The way the club leaks money on this scouting network that eventually seems to be pretty pointless? Or that in all of that list there are only about 3 strikers when that is by far our weakest department?

I am not sure the odd kid here and there really justifies such a crazy scouting network, especially with the internet and recording technology etc. E.g did we really need to go and watch Vermaelen for however many games before we we signed him? Surely one or two and then just watch a load of his matches? Although I know you often have to scout a lot of players before we sign one. I find it interesting the way all of these are concrete targets according to the press, as opposed to players we are simply scouting. According to the press we are 'racing' to sign every single one of these players ha ha.

We have something like 60 scouts right? All on salaries?

Raz {Ed002's Note - Scouts are located across the world and many do not work exclusively for one club on a full time basis. There is a hierarchy reporting back in to Steve Rowley and this includes the likes of Sandro Orlandelli who covers South America but has a network of his own. Arsenal do not separate out the costs of scouting and the staff count as Administrative (and there is a total of about 250 admin staff) so there is no easy way of telling what the scouting costs are. I don't know much of the Arsenal network but there is permanent representation based in what was the Eastern Bloc (I don't recall where), France, Brazil and perhaps a couple of other places but I would expect most staff not to be full time employees (like Ken Fisher who scouts for Arsenal whilst holding down a full time job and scouting for several other English clubs).}

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As a club that does not spend fortunes on established players, scouting networks are invaluable.
As well as scouting individual players, these guys are going round so many games just watching to see that special something in a player that they can follow up on. Dont forget, no scouting means no Van Persie and No cesc....who'd heard of either of them when they signed? No one.

Rob G

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I think you are confusing media speculation with scouting networks.

The transfer market has evolved significantly over the last 10 years. Large clubs are purchased and developed massive databases that in many ways resemble FM...

Scouts monitor players from anywhere to 6 months to 6 years before a club makes a bid. This does not mean flying out to watch every game.

Billybob452

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15 Mar 2012 14:29:16
Anyone know how interested Arsenal are in acquiring Mario Götze? Are they serious, or is it the usual stand and admire form afar?
Row Z

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I think it's pretty serious this time mate. I don't think the club is willing to spend 30m on a vet like Sneijder who we would never make a profit from when sold, who can give us maybe only a few years at his peak, when we could spend the same on Goetze, a thrid of his wages and either have him for 10 years or sell him in a few years for twice as much. If this guy is as good as the world says he is, then if Madrid and Barca want him as much as they make out they might, we could be looking at a 60m+ transfer fee for him in say 5 years. And he'll be what, 24?

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I take the view, that if the player tells Wenger he wants to play for Arsenal and is willing to prove this by saying NO to other clubs (meaning we get a decent buying price) then he will be signed even if that price is higher than our evaluation.

After the whole Cesc/Nasri situation Wenger must have realised that you can't pay enough for a loyal player who has the commitment our current crop have shown this season.

Even Walcott the fans were very harsh on him, and he came out swinging and scored a brace!

Ramsey is another gets slated all day but plays with pride.

Rosicky has stuck it out and look now he is one of our top players!

Gotze in my opinion will 100% sign IF he shows some commitment, and for this reason Hazard 100% WILL NOT sign.

Just my two cents

CS

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15 Mar 2012 13:14:25
With it looking like there will be a few teams in for M'Vila I think Arsenal will miss out. And if AC Milan are to sign Riccardo Montolivo Arsenal should try and get Javi Garcia from Benfica. He is very disciplined, a good tackler and his passing is immense. Now iv no idea if Arsene would be interested or even if he would be available but I think he would be a great addition and suit our type of play. I honestly believe he will be as good as Xabi Alonso and at 25 he has good experience in the CL.
I reckon we could get him for under 20 million where as if M'Vila has a good Euros and we had to bid against other teams he would cost upwards of 25 million. Do any of the Eds know much about Garcia?

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He Used To Play For Madrid? {Ed002's Note - Manchester United, Arsenal, AC Milan and Bayern Munich have certainly been looking at Javi Garcia but I suspected there may well be a push from Manchester City to take Garcia as a replacement for Nigel De Jong. However, Garcia has signed a new contract at Benfica making a move less likely and I suspect Manchester City turning their attentions to Martinez.}

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Yeah Garcia was a former Madrid youth player, but they let him go and he turned good alĂ  Cambiasso, but Garcia would definitely cost Ł25m plus, I'd say more than M'villa personally for me we need a really solid Cdm unfortunately I don't see any young established cdm out there, and wenger wouldn't fork out for people of cambiasso/keita/Gattuso's age

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Not sure a young def mid is what we need in my opinion. I think we are falling to much in love of sighning young players. Obi mikel, the lad from Blackburn, even de jong? If that makes sense. Bit of experience at staying in your position. Anyways first time post. Been using your site for 2 yrs now. Great job, pukka banter, awesome site. Job done !!

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Thats for the replies. Did know he would cost 25 million.. He isnt young he is 25. Thats older than M'Vila..

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15 Mar 2012 14:13:03
Just read an article there that says we inquired about Leandro Damiao.. The Internactioal president Giovanni Luigi says that clubs from Italy, Spain and England are all interested but Juventus and Arsenal seem to be most keen at the moment and Damiao is likely to move in the summer.
Please please let us get him. He is absolutely brilliant. Can score with either foot and with his head. Can hold the ball up and link up play. The next Ronaldo. (The proper one not the Madrid one.) Luigi said that Arsenals scouts have watched Damiao many times and the asked about a price and he said he would cost in excess of 15 million. I'd pay 25 easily for him. He is 21 and will be one of the best strikers in the world some day. Can't stress enough how good I think he is. I'm sure a lot of people on this site have seen him before and would agree. If we got him and Podolski we would have the strike force in the league squad wise. Really hope we get him.
Any of the EDs know if we are seriously interested? {Ed002's Note - Arsenal showed an interest last summer and Leandro Damiao remains of interest to several clubs including Spurs, PSG, Roma, Sporting Lisbon, Inter Milan and Juventus. Lyon, Arsenal and Barcelona seem to have dropped any interest they had in the player. January 2013 may be a more likely time to move than the summer although with bids from Spurs and Roma on the table, PSG or Juventus may force a summer move - and these remain the most likely destinations right now.}

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I remember The Oracle coming on here in no uncertain terms and stating how spuds would sign him in the jan window just gone. Fail.

I have a feeling because of his profile and subsequent asking price, we may be more interested in poaching the french league again sadly, as Giroud would not cost 20m I don't think. {Ed002's Note - It was expected that Giroud would stay within France with a move to PSG but performances this season have seen Lyon, Marseille, Valencia, Newcastle, Villarreal, Arsenal and particularly Malaga show an interest. Nicollin discussed the interest in the player saying Newcastle were too minor a club and Arsenal would have to pay 50M euros, if not 60M euros for the player. The reality is that he will move for perhaps 20M euros in the summer. Interest at the moment is still being shown by Arsenal and Bayern Munich have made an approach to Montpellier. The player declared an interest in a move to Italy but much will depend on the price - I don't see Marseille being able to pay enough, nor perhaps Lyon. It is possible that Liverpool may become interested but at present I understand they are not.}

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15 Mar 2012 13:38:00
Once Santos is fully fit I think it will be very interesting to see who becomes first choice LB or whether Wenger will switch them often or whether one will be pushed forward perhaps. Any thoughts?

Bermy Gooner

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Tbh I hope it's Santos, I feel more comfortable when he's on the pitch. He's also VERY good, just needs to finish adapting and getting fit, his injury is a real pain.

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Yeh for me, santos is better going forward than gibbs is, and seeing as we are an attacking team, it makes sense for me, to play santos over gibbs. When santos gets the ball at his feet, he actually looks around to see what to do with it - when gibbs gets it, its 1 touch, and then back to TV. No vision.

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15 Mar 2012 13:06:15
does any 1 know when carlos vela's contract is up?
dave.w {Ed002's Note - 2015.}

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Ty ed,would you have any idea what his market value would be?
dave.w {Ed002's Note - No.}

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15 Mar 2012 12:08:27
In the Summer what Wenger should do is buy early. Not buy OTT prices for poor players like Liverpool did. But not necassaily big on young like Hazard, Gotze and M'villa because we need success now. If Wenger did do that I wouldn't be dissappointed, infact I would be happy, but it has come to a situation were Arsenal have to buy proven international players from big clubs. For example, Wesley Sneijder from Inter Milan. World-class, Dutch and the type of signing that is saying to van Persoe that Arsenal mean business. Another problem moght be that we can't affors players that are valued over £20 million, well there are other playes available for less. Valbuena, Gourcuff, Kagawa, Honda, Dzagoev etc all very good players and with experiance and a winning mentlity.

Islington Gooner

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Its the wages we wont pay! wesley sneider is on about 200k a week. double what rvp is on.

paul - rochester

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Arsenal have already started to buy early... talks with m'vila, podolski, holtby and suarez have already taken place...

suarez and podolski are on the verge of being arsenal players by summer but cannot be guaranteed as arsenal can withdraw the deal...

real-goon

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Dzagoev & kagawa are young talent that aren't neccessarily world class yet aren't they??

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15 Mar 2012 11:42:35
Eds what is the price Dortmund are after for any potential Gotze transfer?

Sydney Gooner {Ed002's Note - Goetze may be available in the summer at the right price and the club would like that to be as high as possible - perhaps 35M euros. Arsenal, Manchester United and Barcelona were previously knocked back by Dortmund although Goetze has identified his favourite teams as Barcelona and Arsenal. There is also interest also from Real Madrid, Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan - who I suspected were shifting their interest in Ganso or Fernando to Goetze. Chelsea know that there will be pressure from elsewhere to buy the player - most notably AC Milan and the major Spanish sides - and are of the opinion that a move to England will probably not come about.}

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Ed002>arsenal'sgrowing german community to influence?
Mc {Ed002's Note - It'll make no difference.}

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15 Mar 2012 10:46:05
You know what?
I think all this Hazard talk for other clubs is good, it puts the spot light on him.
While the spotlight is on Hazard, we should go for Dries Mertens and other targets who are in the shade.

A tricky, fast, skilled, Belgian winger who comes from an even smaller club than Hazard with a smaller fee. He should be looked at, regardless of how many wingers we have, he is a great prospect.

As much as i'd like Hazard to come, i just think he would come to use Arsenal as a stepping stone and i'm sick of players using such a great club where they'll actually get game time, for their own personal gain. Hazard i feel is one of those players.

On the contrary, i also feel that Hazard isn't totally responsible for all the comments about big clubs to get his fee bumped up.

I have a feeling his manager advised him to do that, or someone else advised him to so that the fee can be bigger and the agent gets a bigger cheque, the club does aswell and they probably want to squeeze every penny they can out of him.

Hazard isn't for us, too much hype for my liking.
As good as he is, there are others i would much rather get for a good 30-40 mil.
I don't want any more Nasri situations.

Nick.

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Agreed, Nick, mertens is a class player who would fit in at the arsenal superbly

N.Wales gunner

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Ramsey has not played well since he has been back, his pace has slowed, plays backwards, yes he is only 22 and will improve but he is not 1st choice....

I was shocked he stayed on pitch for 90 mins.

We all back the team but everyone has there say, Gooners

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