Arsenal Rumours Archive May 16 2018

 

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16 May 2018 22:36:22
In 1996 when Wenger was appointed ( and inherited a good squad) the only manager of real note was Sir Alex ( class 92 ) . In world football there was none better but no others in the prem at that time. Now we have Pep Klopp Moanio Conte Mopo who are all rated on world stage . In my humble opinion we can't take a chance as there are 5 top class managers already here. We can't be cheap but fear we will. Ed002 has stated our options are becoming limited and I believe that but then I believe the eds are florists or trainee chimney sweeps. Give him the budget Allegri for me if not Ancellotti COYG.

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{Ed002's Note - Allegri would be a great choice but it is not “budget” per se that is the issue. It is not a “give me 250M euro” issue. But as I said, he would be a great pick.{

17 May 2018 07:11:29
What I don’t get, Is clearly at points Allergi could have been had. The fans want him, the players would be more than happy to work under him I’m sure, out of all the candidates we’ve been linked with, he’s most likely to steer the ship the right way and attract too talent; so why on Earth are the board not doing everything they can to get him. The board really are just in it for the money.

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17 May 2018 00:20:34
Thanks Ed02! Is it our position in world footballl that is not attractive to Allegri or is he just happy 😊 at Juve? Also can I have a quote for a dozen roses and a hearth that needs cleaning in Sussex? COYG.

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{Ed002's Note - Coaches want to understand the management structure, their role, what the expectations are, will their style of football fit with the players they have, what changes they will be able to make etc.. They will consider what has happened with coaches in the past - and from that point Arsenal are well placed.}

17 May 2018 13:40:50
No idea why we don't spend big if players are the right age price Stan should look at them as an investment.

A top4 return won't come for free.

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17 May 2018 18:24:49
Derby you get the players that are needed, whatever the price. Like you say, the right players pay for themselves and their value goes up if you get the right players.

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16 May 2018 19:15:50
Just a quick message saying thank you to Ed002, I've asked him many questions recently and he's answered most of them, Ed on behalf of the arsenal page, a big thank you for all your hard work! Have a good week mate.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks but I am happy to help out a little. Clubs are getting in to the circus with Everton with a Plan A that has an issue to be resolved, WHU now on Plan B and not convincing people, Chelsea still Ona Plan A but by late tonight or tomorrow their ideas may need to change, and Arsenal setting a framework that is not lending itself to the better solutions - and perhaps heading for what I would see as a risky choice. It will be an interesting summer.}

18 May 2018 09:21:48
Could you perhaps tell if Chelsea have had to change their plan A, or is this also not worth the grief? - Completely understand, if you don't want to!

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{Ed002's Note - I am banned from the Chelsea page - the vegetables won out in the end. I am sure one of the other Eds will explain exactly what happened on Wednesday evening.}

18 May 2018 11:45:27
Such a shame really, but I will try to ask the other eds. I'm sure you'll always have a place in many of the hearts on the Chelsea page, regardless of the idiots ruining it for the rest of us. Have a nice weekend!

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{Ed002's Note - And you, thanks.}

16 May 2018 20:27:40
Just another bit of fake news to counter the arteta news. Ancelotti has a pre contract with Arsenal, according to one italian news site.

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16 May 2018 20:58:22
It's not Sky italia by any chance is it?

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16 May 2018 21:13:14
No it’s the Express.

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17 May 2018 01:44:57
More like pizza express.

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16 May 2018 19:55:28
Eds please help me out, but are us arsenal fans being arrogant in our assumptions that managers like allegri, nagelsmann and simeone would be chomping at the bit to manage arsenal and compete against gaurdiola and the likes or are we reading too much into the rumours. Thanks.

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{Ed025's Note - its a great gig for any manager in the world ben, or should i say would be if they would be backed in the transfer market but the owner seems to be looking for someone to manage on a budget which will rule a lot of the big boys out i believe mate..

16 May 2018 20:25:08
I'm not sure what the budget is but if it's the 50 million that keeps getting mentioned then It will take a football genius to get us back in contention but given our spending over the last 5 seasons it's difficult to believe we will now suddenly bring up the draw bridge on spending and make ourselves such an unattractive propostion at the very time we need to be showing ourselves in our best light.

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16 May 2018 22:40:10
Thanks Ed, so the board are again standing in the way of us competing again. As I said this seems to be the first major decision they've had to make and they are going to mess it up. Can't understand why you would bring in a new chief scout and sporting director the likes of mislintat and Raul and give them a shoe string budget, surely they'll be gone before long like all of our previous assets. I can't wait for wenger to write this book and read about what really went on.

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{Ed002's Note - Don’t attribute blame. And set aside thoughts of budget.}

16 May 2018 22:55:00
I would say we are a bit arrogant. Okay i thought maybe allegri was a bit out of our reach, let's face it he is at juventus, a better team with a better chance of winning trophies than us but i for one moment, didn't think we would struggle getting second tier coaches. I thought as soon as we put out feelers, they would come running to us.

That hasn't happened. second tier coaches have rejected us and that only means coaches think that the arsenal job is suicide and that only means there are financial restrictions. The arsenal job is is not as hot as we think it is.

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16 May 2018 14:51:00
I can understand there being some 'debate' here about Arteta's imminent appointment, if, indeed that proves to be the case, but the outright dismissal of it seems peculiar. Had there been this forum in 1996 would we have all said the same about the appointment of Wenger? Would Barcelona fans have whinged about the appointment of the untested Guardiola? Zidane had no managerial experience before he took Real Madrid to the verge of three Champions League wins on the bounce.

Arteta isn't necessarily my own choice - I'd go for Jokanovic or Nagelsmann myself if we were going to be "bold" - but to read the comments I have seen here in the last few days, it does seem as if we are damned if we do, damned if we don't and as for the "thank you Wenger Ot guys" comment, it was about as clear as it could be that Arsene had (more than) run his course and it was time for a change.

I'm not sure whether I've read it right, but there seems to be a suggestion here that it could be Arteta with Cazorla? If so, I think it's a fascinating choice. It will either end up as a Wilf McGuinness / Frank O'Farrell appointment or it could be a Pep Guardiola - or maybe even something in between! Who knows?

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16 May 2018 15:00:10
I don't believe the rumors myself, but ill delve in as its the hot topic. i'm not opposed to Arteta at all, I agree completely. He could be a success, he could be a failure. i'm fairly sure he was thought very highly of when passing his badges, apparently being outstanding in the training. We all wanted change, and this is change. With Ivan, Raul and Sven overseeing things, a coach as opposed to a manager sounds pretty decent to me. If after a season or 2 he fails, we search again.

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16 May 2018 16:21:55
I just believe that we need someone new. Arteta is not new. He was a part of the problem.

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16 May 2018 16:27:04
The main point is that it is a hot topic and the general feeling is that it’s going to be a very unpopular choice and he and the club will be on a hiding to nothing. I think it would be very risky and frankly a stupid choice. You have to remember that it just isn’t an unpopular choice amongst the fans it’s not the first, second or third choice with the board so it needs to be Carlo, Benitez or emery in my opinion. But I honestly cannot see it been Arteta.

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16 May 2018 17:13:40
To be honest he's not my choice at all. But if it's him. I will. Get behind him 100 percent and aw all. Should. Worries me that some might moan and protest if it doesn't start well. But if he's so good at coaching then why not take the risk. I belive the guys doing the transfers are taking us in the right direction so this could work. Arsenalex that sound a bit harsh on arteta to say he was part of the problem before. You seem to think he was more than just a player doing what his manager said.

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16 May 2018 17:18:51
Not one arsenal fan, desired arteta when the chance of a new manager arose. It doesn't matter at the initial stage of his (if true) appointment if he is going to be a success or not. Its what would be behind it and the reason that will upset many people. Anyone appointed wouldn't please everone but arteta would please less. Not the start this new beggining needs and it would start with a massive handicap, faith or lack of.

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16 May 2018 18:03:14
This is totally different to Wenger arrival and also totally different era the competition is a lot tougher. Both Zidane and pep managed the b teams before hand.

They also had Messi and Ronaldo to soften the blow.

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16 May 2018 18:31:55
Agree Derby, no comparison, wenger at least had been a manager in football.

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{Ed0333's Note - Arteta smacks of mediocrity at best and failure at worst. If you guys were gonna go young and bold who better than Naggelsman? He just got Hoffenheim Champions League football in his second season and taking them to the CL qualifiers in his first season. Has worked under Tuchel and speaks English. For me he is the epitome of young and bold. If indeed you do get Arteta is it an appointment for Art for arts sake?

16 May 2018 19:11:05
Ed, agree but there is a fine line between bold and stupid.

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{Ed0333's Note - looks like you already have stupid and bold wrapped up mate.

16 May 2018 19:43:21
If he was to get the job it's totally irrelevant whether Artetta is popular or not with yhe fans right now it's how we feel about him or whoever gets the job next May that matters.
Allgeri or Simeone would bring no guarantee of success and Artetta holds no guarantee of failure.
No matter who gets the job and no matter how much people like or dislike the chioce the club makes it would be crazy to not even be prepared to give them a chance to prove the board right and the doubters wrong.

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16 May 2018 20:11:40
Gunner, this is the real world and a big thing called patience, which we all have. The problem and it is a massive problem, arteta would have less time and chances than someone who had a record. This club needs a big rebound and if he deliver from the B of the bang, he will be ok. The problem arises when we hit a sticky patch andxthat patience is thin. Wenger came in and made an instant impact otherwise, he would have been the next bruce rioch. Arteta would not get any time and that is not what this club needs, instability.

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17 May 2018 10:03:19
But Steve whoever the board appoints once it's done it's done and we as fans have two choices, give them a chance or give them constant stick simply because they were not who we wanted them to be.
It will be who it will be we can't chose that but what we can chose is to give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves to be either brilliant or useless.

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17 May 2018 11:59:15
Ed0333, glad to see you are still part of the nagelsmann cult :-)

He would be a perfect coach. His training is extra ordinary and his tactics are out of this world. He mixes up everything. Sometimes too direct which is very different from the usual advocates of possession based, positional play which involves meticulous build up. But heard he rejected arsenal or are those reports untrue ED?

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{Ed0333's Note - I have no idea if he rejected Arsenal, that doesn’t sound plausible to me. I mean if you were a young, hungry and ambitious manager and Arsenal came knocking it’s a no brainer

17 May 2018 23:20:09
Ed i think you might be over-rating the arsenal job a bit.

It is a squad riddled with average players and one that needs serious investment and it seems the board does not want to invest in the team.

No matter how good a coach is, he needs talented players to work with so i am afraid it would take a miracle to transform arsenal into serial winners, a fact every sensible coach is aware of. I think they are all running away because they are afraid their reputation will be hurt which is very likely at a club like arsenal which doesn't want to invest into new players.

I believe he might have rejected arsenal because i heard it from a guy on twitter who is an AST member and he is very reliable when it comes to Arsenal rumours. He said arsenal's inquiry into nagelsmann went nowhere. It was instantly knocked back. That sounds like rejection to me.

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{Ed0333's Note - im not privy to any Arsenal approach for Nag Ed’s 002 is your guy for that but I think you may be underestimating the Arsenal job its definitely an attractive one. Brand new shiny stadium, loyal fan base, based in London, a decent transfer budget and a fat salary to boot how many coaches would turn that down?

17 May 2018 23:48:45
Ed is a shame we are not going to get any well known decent coach. IMO the coach who was tailor made for arsenal despite his personal issues was tuchel but he went to PSG. Nagelsmann would have made a great substitute despite his young age.

Ed do you think Arteta would become a great manager? I know he will definately implement possession based positional play like guardiola but will he be good as good as guardiola?

People talk about guardiola being just a disciple of cryuff but they also seem to forget that pep was very analytical. For example the decision to move messi from the wing to a false number 9;guardiola was asked about that and i remember him saying he did that because the damage messi could do on the wing is limited because his movement is limited to 180 degrees but in the middle he can a full 360 degrees. If you think about it, it is genius. Guardiola's awareness of space is simply on another level. Can arteta be as good as his mentor? what do you think Ed?

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{Ed0333's Note - I think you need a few days off Punani. Forget about Arsenal, Nagelsmann, Arteta, and Pep for a while. Make love to someone or something (there’s blow up dolls that offer the girlfriend experience) eat some pistachio ice cream, instead of clicking everything on the Tinternet Arsenal related read some Jean Paul Sartre, take a long warm bath listening to ambient sleep music, think of anything but football. Maybe watch a Bollywood film or three and divert your attention from all things Arsenal because you will start frothing at the mouth and give yourself an involuntary twitch if you carry on the way your doing. I’m genuinely worried about you mate....This is a legit intervention

18 May 2018 12:41:49
ED thanks for the concern, much appreciated. I am perfectly fine though. I am not in a tough place or anything, it is just that i love talking about The game especially the tactical side of it but i appreciate your thought. You are a top man.

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{Ed0333's Note - Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rogers drove me to the depths of despair when they managed Liverpool and I knew the myriad of emotions they put me through, I was like a cat on a hot tin roof. Couldn’t wait for them to get sacked, especially Hodgson, in fact there was a time that I stopped watching liverpool games because of that man. Football managers are like women in a nightclub you very rarely get the one you want the Instagram glamour model but invariably you manage to pul some lookers. Unless your spurs of course who only get decent managers once in a lifetime.

16 May 2018 10:43:38
Local news in Sevilla are now liking us with CB Clement Lenglet, who is also liked by Barcelona (but he has rejected them before because he wants guaranteed first option playing time) . Eds any idea if this is true?

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{Ed002's Note - As a special treat, he is Plan B for Barcelona but they are getting nowhere with their Plan A and are pushing for a deal with CL. Arsenal are not in the picture at all as far as I am aware, but that can change with a new coach.}

16 May 2018 12:59:28
Ed can I ask, everyone is certain that Arteta is joining but behind closed doors is that actually true or is he still amongst a list which arsenal don’t know what to do yet?

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{Ed002's Note - As I explained others have dropped off the list for one reason or another. CA would possibly still be an option but if the club refuse to make commitments or agree a sensible stance, the list will dwindle until tier 2 is the only option.}

16 May 2018 18:29:44
But those 2 are the only options? Vieira isn’t viable?

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16 May 2018 09:46:01
Hi Eds,

Do you have any update on our interest in Jean Seri? And any idea on his chillblains in cold weather affecting a potential deal? Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - no and no.}

15 May 2018 23:56:39
I don't know why our fans think the arsenal job is a hot property. All the big coaches who have been linked with us, have either taken other job offers, extended their contracts or chosen to remain at their club.

We arsenal fans should be grateful to Arteta, as he is willing to take a job when everything is against him. It is a poisoned chalice, no coach wants to take it and the major reason being the board has no ambition. They are not willing to spend, hence why no top manager is interested.

It is not about history or stuff like that, it is purely down to money. You think man city got Guardiola because they have history? No. They got him because they showed him they have ambition. We could have gotten Allegri or any other top coach if we showed ambition.

I think we arsenal fans need to appreciate Arteta and cut him some slack. He took a pay cut to join us as a player and is willing to take up the job even though it is a poisoned chalice. I admire his courage. If i was in his shoes i wouldn't have taken that job because there is a bigger chance i would fail due to an unambitious owner. His career could end before it even gets started. He really has his back against the wall and i hope he succeeds for his sake and our sakes.

We are down to arteta because there is no one else, plain and simple. Every top coach is out of the running. Nobody wants us and that is not Arteta's fault. It is the fault of the board and the owner. I think the fans should be mad at them instead.

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16 May 2018 06:48:04
Punani - I have nothing against Arteta and will support him if given the role but I have reservations:

1. We have a big defensive and mentality rebuild project
2. Arteta has limited experience as a manager but talks a good game about management but a lot about attacking play rather than defence
3. Limited experience handling players like Ozil, PEA, Rambo etc
4. Limited success as a player at an international level or club level. Combined with Management experience is not a great mix
5. Limited pool of managers due to budget and set up - have we limited ourselves to Arteta by our ambition and fears of another monopoly of power situation. Well a full dilution doesn’t work either
6. Will Arteta stand up to the board and what back room staff will he bring to help him or does that need to bed in also.

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{Ed025's Note - all good points SY, its a massive job for a rookie to take on and i can see it all ending in tears myself...but who knows mate..

16 May 2018 07:49:04
If Arteta gets the job and it all starts going horrible wrong, I’d expect a horrific atmosphere at the emerites and potentially a lot worse than the last few seasons have been. Fans were torn before 50/ 50, some over looking poor results, instead respecting Wengers legacy and the hardship he put into transforming this club. This time round it will all be united aimed a one person. Kronke.

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16 May 2018 08:34:52
IF and it's Still a big if Artetta gets the job then my concern is he trys to get current Arsenal players to play Pep style football.
Lots of top footballers struggle as managers with lower league teams simply because they try to get them to do stuff like premier league players forgetting if they were capable of that they would actually be premier league players.
It's no good trying to paint fine lines needed for a masterpiece of art with a 3 inch paint brush you've got to adapt your picture according to the materials you have available.

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16 May 2018 08:51:34
Another point that should be mentioned. Why would Arteta want to leave the best team in the league working under arguably the best manager in the world (because of money) ? If he does take the job then fair play to him! He's risking his limelight that Pep keeps giving him to go out on manage the club that he loved to play for! I must stress that it wasn't my first choice by a long shot but there must be something there. I hope!

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16 May 2018 13:42:47
The only reason why arsenal are going for arteta is because the other managers have rejected them or are not available. It has nothing to do with the bullshit gazidis said about making a 'bold' choice. A bold choice is a nagelsmann or a tedesco not an arteta.

I feel sorry for arteta. The fans are against his appointment and the board won't back him. Regardless of who comes in, that arsenal team has a long list of players who are not good enough.
1.Cech-past it
2.Bellerin-technically deficient (can't cross can't defend a speed merchant)
3. Mustafi-shocking defender. How many times have you seen him fall on his arse?
4.Koscienly-literally his Achilles has become his Achilles heel
5.Xhaka-poor tackler, slow and lacks concentration
6.Ramsey-technically not good enough
7.Iwobi-They say okocha is his uncle. Seems he didn't inherit the good genes.
8.Welbeck-shocking player. How he makes into the first team i don't know.

That is 8 players who should be shipped out so we need like a whole new team. That lot we have won't even get us into the top four. Regardless of who comes in, arsenal's perennial issues will never be addressed. The biggest issue being an owner who has zero ambition.

I feel arteta can do a decent job if the fans get behind him but i am afraid regardless of who comes in, we will never win something big unless the owner spends, something i don't think will happen. We need to start a campaign to get kroenke out.

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16 May 2018 14:36:23
BS! Manager at arsenal is probably the biggest job on the market. Stable finances. Solid structure. Good (under performing) team. Good backroom staff. Getting Allegri or Ancelotti is not guaranteed any success, and the board probably know it. It might be throwing money out the window and messing up a good system.

BTW, Guardiola took over Barcelona when he was 37 years after managing the Barcelona B team. Pochettino was 37 when he took over Espanyol, no experience. The fact is that we don't know much about Arteta and the type of manager he will be. The fact that Guardiola hand picked him as his assistant is a sign of quality, he is usually a picky guy.

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16 May 2018 15:47:37
Norgunner, the arsenal job is not as big as you think it is. Here is what we know so far. Look at all the managers we were linked with and what happened with them.
1.Allegri-opted to stay at juventus. They say he had issues with the transfer budget. out of the running as of now
2.Enrique (Don't rate him highly) -had issues with salary and transfer budget. out of the running as of now.
3.Tuchel-Went to PSG.
4.Nagelsmann-Arsenal were interested. He opted to stay in hoffenheim.
5.joachim lowe-extended his contract with the german national team

I may be missing a couple more but, when wenger stepped down, the candidates were suppossedly many but almost any top manager that we we linked with; has opted to either stay, take other job offers or not even take our job even though they were unemployed.

Forget about top tier coaches, second tier coaches like nagelsmann have rejected us, what does that say about the arsenal job? face it nobody wants it and it has everything to do with the board and the owner. They don't want to spend.

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15 May 2018 23:37:17
Robert Pires: "I have seen the shortlist: Allegri, Carlo Ancelotti, Mikel Arteta - why not? I think all of them could manage Arsenal. "

Robbie went on to agree with Ed about the spoilt fans and being unfair to Wenger.

So that leaves Ancelotti and Arteta - I just realised our strategy - managers first or last name must start with an A in memory of th3 might Arsene and even better if your name starts with a M for Merci.

Clues were there all along and we missed them.

Although I am told a dark horse may enter the race.

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16 May 2018 09:50:40
Some small newspapers from Spain are speculating with an apparent interest in Unai Emery, is that who you are calling the Dark Horse? Apparently he has halted talks with Real Sociedad because of a contact from Arsenal.

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