Arsenal Rumours Archive July 17 2011

17 Jul 2011 23:25:51
The truth is AW can not turn back now. He believed he could build a squad from the bottom up and take on the world like Barca, trouble is, he shopped nearer to Barnet than Barca.
Like any drowning man, he has realised he swam out too far, and its too late to turn back.
This was an experiment at our expense, and we will live with the consequences long after AW has gone. No one manager will be able to come in and clear what is needed out of the squad, nor will he be able to spend or fund the players needed to get Arsenal back to were they should be, its a catch 22 vicious circle.
AW is showing no signs of changing, promised this would be a big summer a 19 yr old from Charlton with no experience, another french potential with little credentials behind him, and yet another 19 yr old that will have to be loaned out.
This with the loss of clichy and the uncertainty over cesc and nasri, is this what was needed to streghten our squad?
The likes of Bendtner, denilson, almunia and eboue are still with us (u know the deadwood) why? because no one really wants them, its not bitterness or negativity it is fact, denilson is being loaned back from where he came What does that tell us about the quality of our so called youth players.
Like it or not, we are stuck with the one more year brigade, who believe that with no real changes we will storm the world of football.
AW will go down in history as the most successful manger at arsenal, that went 7 years without a trophy and turned us into a laughing stock in the epl, that is trully a shame.
I'm Still clinging onto a small glimmer of hope that the tour in China showed AW that squillaci and djourou will not cut it at any decent level, and maybe, just maybe cahill or jagielka may join.
I do not believe rumours of benzema, mata, or lukaku, i think this is paper talk and wishful thinking.
Those that have decided not to spend money on the club, i applaud you, it is not disloyal, it is your given right to choose how and where you spend your money, i have spent untold thousands over the years, i have a loft full of kits and video's dating to the 70's so i guess that does make me a proper fan, but i have turned down free tickets and did not attend 1 game last year, the first time in 30 years, simply because i will not fund this failed experiment, or give a cent to watch players such as eboue denilson diaby bendtner fabianski and the likes.
It isn't about winning i went many years with out it, i just can not support this board and manager acting in this manner of lies, deciet and disrespect to the fans that have stood by them for so long.
I said it many many months ago, the fans have more power than the board, they just need to be united, which clearly we are not, so little or nothing will change.
If i do get a new kit, i'll put Deja Vu on the back, mind you many people will think its some new wonder kid from france we have just signed.
ike.

Well said

Stop complaining and support your team, look how close we came last season, even with the injuries we had, we will be stronger this coming season and the players are improving all the time, we will win something

I wholeheartedly agree with your position. Wenger at heart is an academy coach. He even said that when he retires he will run an academy somewhere in africa and work on developing players.

I could write a long essay about how the war of direction between dein and fiszman hurt our club, but fiszman's direction "self sufficiency in the long term but no money in the short term" tied into Arsene Wenger's core being.

It means more to him for an Aaron Ramsey to become World Class in 2-3 years time than buying an already world class player. I also feel he has a problem with coexisting with strong characters in the dressing room who will challenge his authority. Being challenged by the people around you is how you become a better person in life and a better coach/manager in football.

I personally feel our success in the past with wenger was just as much to do with the Adams', Keowns' (he told Wenger that Toure could be a centre half if played every game) and the like challenging the manager.

The experiment working was wholly dependent on whether he could get the players we made decent or world class to stay, and so far he's failed miserably (hleb, adebayor, henry, pires, flamini, reyes, cole, and he's fighting a war to keep nasri and fabregas)

A lot of our players left before their time and I blame the manager for that.

Look at Barcelona, they do what we are trying to do, far better, and yet they still try and and sign superstars every season to freshen up the team and make sure they don't get stale (e.g. ibrahimovic, Villa, Alexis Sanchez, Neymar, I could go on.

I hope us gooners won't suffer for long but i'm not so sure

Millz

Ike, do you not think that AW has got way to much power at the club to the point there is no one behind him 'being his boss' and kicking him up the backside which DD more than likely used to do which is how he has been allowed to get away with using us as his pet project? Another reason the board probably have not done something sooner about him is this overriding notion that if he leaves there will be this mass player exodus because some players are loyal to AW not AFC. Just a thought.

TR27

Be careful what you say ike... the happy police will be after you...with chief inspector yeti ready to serve you a warrant for the crime of free speech.. your'e not a proper fan unless you agree with all of his posts, not to mention his jokes.. including the classic ''whobannedikegate''...
keep posting the truth mate.. it'll get through eventually...

The Night Doctor

Agree with most of that tho u seem to have not mentioned , aw took us to a big new stadium which we needed alot we cound only of done that buy getting fabregas , van persie , nasri , song , clichy . wilshire . kolo T and theo for a total of 25 mill haha now who else cound of done that but wenger , makes me mad to see him back that up with our pathetic goal keepers and defence that weve had over the last 3 - 4 years , wenger is a genius and a fool at the same time , far as iam concered he can sign cahill and samba and given or go ive had anuff , haha give me big sam cound u see him buy some of the clowns we have of late

tony too

What a rediculous post. Arsenal are a laughing stock? what are you on. People think wenger is being too prudent with money and that he should spend for once, right. But what else? What other problems are there apart from economic ones? Arsenal could sign cahill and still concede loads at set pieces, then what ? is cahill terrible ? was the signing a waste of money ? your boring me with your emotional drivvel.

Another post from someone who gets all their experience from playing Championship Manager, and hence thinks they know all the answers to solve our supposed "crisis".
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but the fact is you don't know squat about what it takes to successfully manage a world class team. That's why AW gets paid millions to do what he does, and you're here trying to assembly an audience to listen to your nonsense argument.
I know who I'd rather listen to.
(btw, this site is brilliant.)

Wow Talk about getting ones under garments in a twist ...

The AW years have been some of the greatest Arsenal years ever. Fact.

3 domestic trophies and 1 European adventure per year. Fact.

With only the likes of Man U (fantastic manager, huge support massive debt) Chelsea (loads of managers, wrong side of London and a sugar daddy keen on spending his ill gotten billions - for now) and Liverpool (good manager, excellent support, massive debt) getting anywhere near regular silverware, our haul looks pretty good in comparison.

With this newfangled interweb thingy, fans have been given the chance to express themselves like never before (beats wearing scarves around yer wrist and chucking seats on the pitch), yet lets not get carried away by it all.

This fab site, like others and the printed media etc, rely on constant content to make it in the mad bad world of talk-shopping ... but it ain't football.

When the chaps start kicking the ball around again is when the reality begins. We have an excellent squad - now and for the future, cheap too

You want to be more like the prawn sandwich brigade? Want a Barca style president manipulating and formenting trouble every election time? Want to open us up to IMF repayment numbers £££? Want a dodgy billionaire raiding everyone else's efforts for players and merely achieving mediocrity?

No thanks.

Healthy business that stays an arm length from the pitch, forward thinking manager that forces through best practice in training and technique - producing player after player that everyone else desires ... and great entertaining exciting football.

Grow a pair

You have summed up all of my frustrations in one very insightful statement.

I never post on this site, But i wish that people would stop all the s**t omg we didnt win a trophy for x years the league has got harder and you really think that its just AW that made it so we couldnt spend any money there are a lot of other people involed
Try backing your club people and stop actting like a load of f***ing Bitches we were very close last year that is a fact people seem to forget that we did well last year other teams catch up that what happen's deal with it

Well this epic story of cynicism and melodrama made me chuckle.

You talk about the last six years as an 'experiment'. What are you on? Have you completely forgotten that 6 years ago, when we were moving to Emirates etc, AW and the board made it perfectly clear we would not be spending any money in the tf markets for at least 6 years. They stated quite clearly that it would be miraculous if we qualified for champions league during the next six years solely because of our inability to spend big, and that we would be focusing almost solely on youth development. The fact that this was 'playing into AW's hands' so to speak is mere coincidence, but it's funny how people have forgotten that we always said this would be our plan for about 5 or six years. Now that time has gone, and look how well we've been doing. NO we haven't won anything but nobody expected us to do any where near as well as we have, deffo not qualifying for champions league every year during the last 6.

There is a difference between frustration and disillusion and in one man's opinion it must be said that a lot of fans don't consider all the facts, just the ones that support their frustrated stance. I feel your pain but am under no illusion as to the qualities of AW, he has kept us in the game through thick and thin with a tighter than tight budget. Maybe he'll make more signings, maybe not, but don't forget, with all their singings etc Liverpool, Man Utd and chelsea will not gel as quickly as us and will still be played off the park by kids.

17 Jul 2011 23:21:19
Have we signed Joel Campbell then? I could only find info on wikipedia and we all know any old tom, dick and night nurse can edit that site.

Just my opinion but I think he looks a good player from what I saw the other night, alright, it was only against Bolivia or some other marching powder rich country....but I thought he looked pacey, not afraid to go past players with the ball, liked to get stuck into a tackle (albeit mostly on the wrong end of one), has an eye for goal and takes free kicks...less than £1m would be a bargain,
I know he would be a squad player and not the marquee signing we are all desperate for...but all in all not bad....so don't start slaughtering the kid before the ink hasn't dried on his signature.

arsenalyeti

Another epl club has come in for him and offered him bigger wages so they (him and his family) are thinking it over

No doubt will be Man U they just cant see us sign anyone.

Man utd dont need to stop us signing top players - wenger is allergic to them himself.

17 Jul 2011 20:01:08
I've heard fabregas going to barcelona for £30mill plus a player (hopefully affelly) and nasri to sign a new 3 year deal.

That would be great, where did you hear this?

17 Jul 2011 18:54:29
Apparently Everton have officially asked for a price for Bendeter...that rpobably means Phil Jagielkka will be coming our way. That would be great.

'apparently'

Dont arsenal value him at 12mill ...do everton have 12mill ....on loan maybe

It's a loan

17 Jul 2011 18:13:25
Ed do you think we will sign a cb and if so who's most likely? {Ed002's Note - Yes, perhaps Cahill.}

17 Jul 2011 17:22:28
Spain's 1st Choice Left Back Juan Capdevilla, Is Available 4 Free, What A capture That Would Be, He Can Defend And He Can Attact, And At 33 He Is Pretty Experience, Hes's Won The Euros And The World Cup.

This would be an excellent signing - not something wenger would do. maybe if he was 13 and not 33, it would be possible.

Although i dont see it much, he is free which makes him more appealing. cmon arsene go get him

Gooner99

He's past his prime. A couple years ago he would have been fantastic. Gibbs and TV5 are both better.
He'd probably be fine if he was going sit back, but he can't hoof it up and down the wing anymore and we're not going chance out style for him.

17 Jul 2011 15:53:35
With Real Madrid apparently willing to pay up to 39m for Neymar, do you think this could open up the path for a move for Benzema? I, d like to think so but would probably faint if Wenger ever pulled off a big move like this. Im still finding it hard to believe that the season is only 3 weeks away and we still haven't sorted out our defence. If anything its weaker now Clichy has gone. Even Gervinho isn't competed fully yet. Joke. {Ed002's Note - I suspect that wherever Neymar goes it won't be until at least January. A Real Madrid move for Tevez may open up a deal for Benzema.}

After watching Neymar in the copa america, I'll be surprised if Real Madrid are still interested.

17 Jul 2011 14:44:53
Is there any Arsenal fan who wouldn't be thrilled if we traded Subotic for Bendtner and £10/11 million?

17 Jul 2011 13:59:50
i recently heard that the squad that wenger took to asia is the squad wenger is looking to build upon, with the exceptions of denilson and squallaci. they will be replaced by new signings.
fabregas will also leave and replacement will be bough for him 2. which leaves 2 places remaining to complete the squad i.e. 23 taken to asia tour minus squall n den n fab= 20 remaining in the squad. add the replacements= 23. which leaves 2 more signings, which are believed to be a mid and att.
therefore expect there 2 be 5 signings with 1 high profile i.e. fab replacement.
and 1 good CB most likely cahill.
and 3 non high profile signings.

Fab didnt go on asia tour so that makes 21

17 Jul 2011 12:18:41
hey ed is there any more news on lukaku and in ur personal opinion fab and nasri goin or stayin {Ed002's Note - Chelsea met with the Anderlecht general manager on Friday July 15 I am told that Van Holsbeeck is still looking for a figure in the region of 30M euros and that there are previously undeclared ownership issues to do with two other parties - one being Lukaku's father. Chelsea have made it clear that it is the responsibility of Anderlecht to deal with those third party payments and Chelsea were expecting Van Holsbeeck to have arrived for discussions accepting Chelsea were not interested in paying the sort of figure being suggested. It seems that this may continue to drag on for a while. Chelsea were told of interest from other clubs but I don't know if it is Arsenal or not, and I don't know of a bid. I rather doubt that £14M would interest Anderlecht even if it were true. I expect Fabregas to leave and the effort made by the club to try and get Nasri to stay.}

17 Jul 2011 11:16:49
We will sign these players next week.
Cahill
Enrique, once bridge joins newcastle.

Along with another attacking player by end of july who will be our big summer signing

There are a number of targets, but we will have to do it quietly as there are too many rich teams.

Rog da Dodge

Got a mate up in newcastle, reckons its been said openly that enrique is holding out for arsenal.

17 Jul 2011 10:52:38
Apparently Arsenal have signed 19 year old Costa Rican striker Joey Campbell. The fee is believed to be around £1.5 million. Although young and inexperienced I do hope there are no work permit issues as he looks a decent finisher.

This has been confirmed by the strikers father and by Saprissa's president on costa rican radio. Source:arseblog, gunnerblog.

$ NOT £

16 Jul 2011 22:06:39
edd any news on joel cambell {Ed002's Note - If he is the Costa Rican lad I am aware that several clubs are interested but I am not sure that any agreement has yet been reached.}

Saw it reported this morning that his father has said personal terms have been agreed with AFC.
Also saw that he has played less than 75% of international games so we have to apply for a special work permit or he goes on loan.

Either way, yet another prospect for the future.

TVOR

17 Jul 2011 08:12:01
this is what i think will happen

fabregas will stay, he will however finally come out and voice his desire in public that he wants to leave as soon as possible.

nasri will leave. man city bound 26.5mill or 12 mill + adam johnson

v persie will publically voice his disappointment about lack of signings and consider his own future

after 6 games wenger will walk away as we will already be out of the league running.

hopeully to be replaced by marco van basten, young and with a name to attract top players. his assistant come season 2012/13 will be dennis bergkamp

paul

Haha marco and bergkamp god i love that tho remember we have a stupid board as well they would sign an idot up ..... if wenger dont sign a top defender then u cound very well be right , he talked abount us not haveing probs there the other day is the man mad or just very very arrogant , we were clowning around yesturday in defence against that asia team were becoimeing a joke lately

tony too

Wenger Would Never Leave But I Would Prefer Him As A Youth Coach (we'd have the France u23 team at arsenal)

Walk away from £6 million a year. Never

Hahaha...it's a rumours site not Hans Christian Andersen.

Your knowledge of the future is incredible. Can you tell me what time it will start raining in the south side of Glasgow tomorrow, so I can decide whether to hang my washing out before going to work?

It will start raining at 1149

paul

And also wenger only has 1 year remaining on his contract. its not like he's short of a few pennies is he. he wont sign a new deal cos he knows his philosophy has been a failure

17 Jul 2011 01:15:53
Im not sure of it myself but ive heard loads from friends and saw several reports linking Arsenal with Enrique of Newcastle, so maybe we will get a solid LB after all :)
BR

His agent said he wants to join arsenal and wants champions league football

Ohh Quality, anyone think we'll get him?