Arsenal Rumours Archive August 21 2016

 

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21 Aug 2016 21:00:23
Does anyone recall that the banks insisted that Wenger stays in order to sanction the stadium loan? If true, this probably included a post-construction tie in.

If he leaves, perhaps the banks still have the right to call in the loans or change the terms/ rate.

Maybe he wants to leave but can't.

Maybe he and us really are trapped.

I would have thought any such deal would have expired by now but it makes me wonder.

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21 Aug 2016 22:21:22
Barn, I've never in my life ever heard of a human being being used as a guarantee for a loan. If wenger died, got ill and retired, left through personal reasons, got the sack because we got relegated or any unforseen circumstance we would have the loan pulled out from under us because he didn't meet the condition, is rediculous. I may be wrong but I thought the Emirates took on most of the stadium payments to get the naming rights anyway. Personally I don't believe it, it doesn't sound a very good business agreement to me.

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21 Aug 2016 22:28:37
I would be shocked if that's true, I very much doubt the Banks would have any say in who the manager is or his contract. That might be in the Arsenal buisness plan presented to the banks but the bank wouldn't care as long as we are paying the bill on time.

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21 Aug 2016 23:43:26
From the Telegraph

Ahead of an unprecedented fan protest on Saturday, Arsène Wenger has revealed for the first time that Arsenal were only lent the majority of their £390 million construction costs for the Emirates after he personally pledged to remain manager for at least five years.

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22 Aug 2016 08:55:42
You do get some corporate loans contingent on certain personnel staying. A bank may advance a loan for the specific purpose of expansion only if a key member of staff stays because they have the experience to make it succeed. Same way you can purchase keyman insurance if a member of staff is crucial to your operations.

Not sure if that was true of Arsenal's loan though.

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22 Aug 2016 09:46:13
Not sure why you have so many disagrees SY4 when it only takes a quick Google to clarify that the Torygraph did indeed write that paragraph, that's a fact - whether the statement is true is another thing but I'd be a bit ticked off if so because it means Wenger is inclined to never change in that respect unless he wants to pee off the loaners.

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22 Aug 2016 10:31:01
Wenger steered us through a very difficult period, during the financing and building of the new stadium. The debt is virtually paid off and we have in excess of £200m in cash reserves at the bank. The club is run superbly and although us fans always thing we can spend, spend, spend, the funds are not bottomless, unlike other clubs. We could however, easily buy a couple more quality players, but I understand Wenger's hesitancy to pay excessive prices for players; is Mustafi worth £50m?

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22 Aug 2016 12:17:45
RG, if you think the club is being run superbly, you're going to wet your pants when it actually is.

The current set up is great for Kroenke but he's holding a deteriorating asset in my view. Like a landlord who doesn't repair leaky guttering or drains, eventually the building will need major works.

And there's a stench of rot at Arsenal.

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22 Aug 2016 12:56:49
Great point barn, couldn't agree more.

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21 Aug 2016 20:46:58
Who are the strikers currently on par with Henry and Van persie
Suarez
Lewendowski
Aguero
Benzema
Dybala

None of them are available.

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21 Aug 2016 22:05:17
van persie wernt as good as henry so don't put them in the same mould.

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21 Aug 2016 22:24:40
Ibra, higuain, aubamayang would also get a mention. Two of them were and one could be.

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21 Aug 2016 22:29:42
Everyone's available at the right price, whether Arsenal can or would pay that price is a different question.

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22 Aug 2016 08:25:58
ZLATAN 😈.

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22 Aug 2016 09:50:22
Benzema really?

For me, even Muller is better striker than him. A few years ago I'd have included Tevez and Atletico's Falcao in the list for sure.

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22 Aug 2016 10:18:24
Everyone has a price.

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22 Aug 2016 11:53:19
It appears that there is shortage of quality strikers and those that are of top quality are firmly entrenched at top clubs. Indeed, you have to take a huge gamble on paying absurd transfer fees and wages, to players of average quality.

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22 Aug 2016 12:59:18
Rg while I agree, we also get absurd and astronomical amounts of funds coming into the club. Its all relative.

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21 Aug 2016 20:31:17
Got a gut feeling we will go for loic remy late.

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21 Aug 2016 21:02:38
Probably indigestion.

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21 Aug 2016 21:40:28
Hahahah brilliant.

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21 Aug 2016 20:31:06
Long time since I've posted. Heard a rumour Islam Slimini is a target and the loaning of Joel Campbell was part of the deal.

Also think it's interesting that we've been linked with Yacine Brahimi, that would be consistent with our attempts at Mahrez and Mikki earlier in the window and could also be why we let the Campbell deal happen (though this is speculation) .

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21 Aug 2016 20:43:05
Hackney, I was going to post the same thing. A friend of mine who is an agent based in Portugal mainly working with south american players, told me that the Campbell loan was part of a deal to purchase a player before the window shuts. He doesn't know the name of the player, but either Slimani or Brahimi would be nice additions.

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21 Aug 2016 21:14:53
Wow a genuine interesting rumour. I suppose it would explain the Campbell loan because that really frustrated and perplexes me. Wait and see I suppose.

Don't know an awful lot about the guy though. Looks like he has the physical prowess for league.

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21 Aug 2016 22:09:29
I was wondering something along the lines of this earlier (though I have no inside knowledge, just whatever nonsense my brain dreams up) it seems very much 2+2 doesn't it?

Sporting have a striker we're apparently interested in.
They also have a good CB in Oliveira (spelling may be off)
They also have William Carvalho, who we know Arsene likes.

However, when I put 2+2 together with football, i often get 5.

Slimani to me seems just an Algerian Giroud.
I'm not saying he'd be bad, none of us could know that until/ unless we'd seen him in this league, but on paper, kinda think he's just, well, meh.

Carvalho we don't need at all, plenty of CM's but when does that stop Arsene.

Oliveira, is just me doing those bloody maths again.

I reckon there's some sort of legs to what you guys are saying though, I mean, it seems silly to loan out Joel and give up some of our (underrated) firepower, when we're already lacking goals.

It wouldn't shock me if we've given up on a striker and are looking for a winger, so we can play Theo up top full time till Welbz is 'fit' in Jan.

But that's just me!

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21 Aug 2016 22:12:08
that brahimi is linked to everton so he might go there but the striker is same type of player as giroud is that what we need or do we need like a aguero type of player that can run off girouds knock downs.

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21 Aug 2016 22:28:00
Rumours might have some legs but for me its easier to shift cambell than walcot, that's why cambell has gone and not walcot. We are still paying some of cambells wages, apparently.

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21 Aug 2016 11:58:23
akuma Asano has been denied a work permit, will not play for arsenal this season and been told to leave if he wishes to play. What an absolute joke this club has become. Ruined this player and wasted the transfer fee and wages. He talks about value for money, really good value Arsene.

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21 Aug 2016 12:12:35
The truth is, its nothing new. We do it time after time. It would have or will be another wellington situation.

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21 Aug 2016 12:23:14
Sorry but why is everyone up in arms about this. We knew the work permit was an issue. I believe ed002 said that as he was signing. And il put my money on assano being aware there may have been issues. He's one for the future hopefully. We knew the permit would be an issue. Just looking for things to moan about.

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21 Aug 2016 13:30:36
Well said D16. It's laughable the amount of things Arsenal fans moan about. and very boring.

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21 Aug 2016 13:51:58
No one is moaning just stating a fact, can't even send him on loan to get experience. So D16 you are happy with this and never complain about anything is that right? Or your complaints are valid and no one else is aloud an opinion?

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21 Aug 2016 14:25:48
Well Asano destiny will be like Miyaichi.

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21 Aug 2016 14:28:12
Lol ha ha ha

It's a bloody joke, and Wenger is supposed to be intelligent.

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21 Aug 2016 14:35:01
Andy, why can't we loan him out?
Genuine question incase I'm missing something.
He can't get a work permit, but that doesn't mean we can't loan him abroad, France, Spain, Germany, Holland, all leagues he can head to as far as I'm aware!

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{Ed001's Note - glad you asked that as there is absolutely no reason I am aware of that he cannot go out on loan.}

21 Aug 2016 14:52:07
Ok you said about him not having a permit and then said what a joke of a club we've become. If that's not you moaning can you please give me warning when you are going to moan so I can just throw my laptop against the wall so I don't see it! Thanks

P. s I appreciate everyone's opinion as stated many of times. But when someone starts talking rubbing I will disagree.

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21 Aug 2016 15:10:33
Surely if he goes on loan and he plays in Europe he will get a permit.

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21 Aug 2016 15:13:20
Media says he cannot be loaned out and Arsene said he can leave arsenal if he wishes. Media may well be wrong.

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21 Aug 2016 15:17:25
Yes we can loan him abroad but according to media wenger wanted him to be loaned in the English premier league. It may well be usual media speculation, just my opinion is that is not very good business really that's all I'm saying after arsene said he only spends when it is good value. This is not good value transfer fees and wages.

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21 Aug 2016 17:11:21
It might be good value in a few years though.

You're just moaning for the sake of it.

Plus, I don't understand how this has ruined the player. can you elaborate?!

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21 Aug 2016 18:05:02
Remember when we tried to sign messi but had work permit issues. Glad we didn't push that through and loaned him out.

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21 Aug 2016 20:08:05
Half the fans problems is that they listen to the media, Who constantly make up these stories to get a reaction, something Arsenal fans are more than happy to do.

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20 Aug 2016 21:22:13
hi eds do u see us signing any1 before the window shuts if so who do you think could come in thabks for all your hard work.

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{Ed025's Note - i think you have to stephen, its clear that new faces are needed and at least a forward and a defender are a priority, i can see the mustafi deal being pushed on but the striker issue it a toss up for me mate..

21 Aug 2016 08:04:23
Thanks for the reply hopefully a striker to holding did OK yesterday a few mistakes but he is only young.

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21 Aug 2016 11:25:26
I think we should learn from Chambers regards Holding and not get carried away thinking he's premier league ready, we've all got a downer on Chambers simply because he couldn't sustain his early form and looked ever so poor at times but if he'd been eased in rather than rushed in who knows.

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21 Aug 2016 11:55:53
Ed i know u said striker is a coin toss but who would even be our options in striker?

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{Ed025's Note - well lacazette is still available apex for 1, and im sure if the money was right there would be loads more mate..

21 Aug 2016 12:04:15
Holding has huge potential and is already light years ahead of Chambers. Chambers hasn't shown anything to show he could make it as a top level CB or RB and it would probably be best if we cut our loses on him.

If we were going to make only 1 signing this window it has to be a striker, our lack of movement up front is massively worrying. We've got far too many people who stand still and want the ball playing into their feet instead of making runs and chasing balls passed into space.

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{Ed025's Note - its the passing for passings sake that annoy,s me sforza..

21 Aug 2016 12:25:03
Ed i honestly believe defoe and Daniel sturridge would be great options.

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21 Aug 2016 12:31:58
Yeah it's always 1 pass too many in the final third, gets frustrating quickly.

Sanchez was a big disappointment playing upfront, lack of intelligent movement and not enough when he had the ball at his feet. Ox looked like a bright spark in parts but too much taking people on in non threatening areas, we need players to drive past the full backs and takes shots or put dangerous balls into the box.
How many times did we get into good positions to then go back or to the side?

I'm the biggest Arsene fan you'll find but right now I'd be more than happy to let someone new takeover. as long as it's Tuchel :)

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21 Aug 2016 14:54:06
Apex I appreciate what you're saying but injury prone Sturridge or a player who wasn't even good enough for Spurs. Thank the Arsenal gods you are not in charge haha.

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21 Aug 2016 16:26:29
But before can get 20goals in the league especially defoe, he only needs 2 chances.

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21 Aug 2016 17:05:44
Defoe* not before lol.

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