26 Sep 2011 21:16:47
RVP doesnt want to discuss extending his contract. Wilshire is out for 5 months. You are all sitting here talking about who we will sign in january, and how we should not assess our position until the end of the season and if you do you are not an arsenal fan and should support city etc etc.
As long as our team is reliant upon 2-3 key players we will never progress because as we have seen there will always be injuries and suspensions.
We need a better quality of team and not just a couple of players surrounded by a collection of potential teenagers.
RVP will follow cesc if this is not addresses and jack wont be far behind.
I like city's new away shirt too :P
maybe switching wouldnt be that painful, i mean they have toure, nasri, clichy and viera there :)
I agree,if we look back to the earlier Wenger years(the Invincables),there was not one bad player,but now you look at todays team,and to be honest,the players you have mentioned are the only real great players we have.I think AW's plan was when the new stadium was built,that he could help pay off the debt,by selling top class players(also property on the Highbury site) and replace them with promising younger players coming through.Unfortunately not many of the youngsters have made the mark,but we still keep selling our best players nevertheless,and we all know that the best players won't join a team who keep selling,they want to see good players coming in,not going out.It makes me sad to see the team the way they are now.
BRAINTREEGOONER
Go on then! **** off! You would be doing all of us a favor - would no longer have to listen to constant stream oh it's not like to old days. Seriously get real! The premier league has turned into formula 1, an arms race, where money is the single most important factor. What has been happening is a product of that, not the fact Wenger has somehow suddenly lost his marbles. We have been damn close a couple of times since the invincibles. Christ, we were the only team who actually could play toe to toe with barca last year. Have some faith, it will come good.
Stop with all the bashing...its not like your a genius who knows all and we cant see it. Yes our season is compromised and our squad is thin, but the season has started and we have to support even almunia if need be...i can imagine how many will turn up here to bash wenger if we loose to the spuds...i for one will keep supporting my team...not much i can do i dont work for arsenal, or have any significant influence to make a difference...you wanna shout go outside the emirates and protest, not sit quietly on your laptop or pc and verbally disgust the other arsenal fans who are trying to be optimistic with whatever we have.
Your an idiot. RvP will never leave same as wilshere. They love the arsenal. go support spurs you scumbag, then you can moan all season
Some of you lot are mental! Honestly just listen to the abuse you give some people - 'scumbag' ! In y day a scumbag was someone who goes around mugging people and other such behaviour, not someone who goes on an arsenal rumour site and leaves a perfectly honest and possibly entirely correct statement about our club. The poster clearly feels that our squad is weak aside from a handful of key players - that is not necessarily wrong. RvP is leaving - that is also more than likely. I doubt very much whether AW will magically simply persuade him to stay. He certainly won't adjust the wages and he won't make decent signings so you can kiss goodbye to thos theories, so why should RvP stay? yes we've been close a bunch of times but that isn't good enough, He is nearing the latter stages of his career and I am sure he would like to lift a league title somewhere and lift a few cups before he retires. Fact is we do NOT show the ambition in terms of wages or transfers. The whole world says it. Not just a few 'scumbag' fans. So get real and give this person a break, there is logic o what they are saying even if you don't like what they are saying. And unless we have a Stevey G in Wilshere then one day we will leave too. I am going to copy and paste this thread and when RvP leaves in Jan or this summer you will all feel like pr!cks for the abuse you give people on here when I post it back on.
I think the angry replies are not down to any lack in logic in the original post of what might happen, just the fact that people seem to want to focus of the negative possibilities rather than positive ones. celebrate the bad rather than the good. Football is in large part a game of chance unless you can tip the balance with a infinite checkbook. What is the point about bemoaning all the stuff that is in large part out of the clubs control? It just creates a bad atmosphere which can be just as damaging to the team as anything else.
Yes a stronger squad all round is required, but no team in the world has world class players in every position even Barcelona, there is just not that many to go around.
I would say RVP and arguably Vermealean our are only true world class players that could grace any team. Despite all what they have spent have Man City got a 1st. 11 of world class players, no way far from it.
I still believe we are only 3 key players away from a really strong squad namely a CB, DM and a proper menacing box playing CF.
People forget that although we have not won nothing for 6 years there have been some very fine margins involved and we have had been hamstrung in all of the recent seasons with lengthy injuries to all our top/key players at one point or another. When is that last time we were able to put out our true best 11?.
Time is starting to go against us now and I believe this is a key season for us which may tip the balance either way. As to weather we can attract top players and keep the likes of RVP at the Club, or weather we will lose them before the fair play rules come in and our debt is paid off. Once the rules come in and debt is paid off we will revert back to competing in the Transfer market at the top level (A Man City style squad of every player on 150-200K week wages will no longer exist). The question is can we keep our core players until that time.
We have been fighting a unethical monopoly carefree spending by City, Chelsea, at to some extend Barcelona and Madrid without fear of penalty for making massive losses each year. Hopefully the fair play rules will get them operating as a viable businesses making regular profit eventually but this may take a good few years take effect.
Our total wage bill is likely not much behind Man Utd's so we can compete with them to an extend in terms of wages offered. However, we do need to
re-structure our wages and lower the wages given to fringe, 2nd string and youth players and up the wage bracket for our top players. This will make it easier to sell the likes of Denilson (Also stop these fringe players getting into a comfort zone) and keep hold of our key players.
I think we need to go all out to win one of domestic cups this season we need to get a strong winning mentality back within the squad and ofcourse get that top 4 place which we can still very much get. I think in general it is less about talent more about about mentality(Win at all cost) and desire with us.
To the guy that said we were the only team to play toe to toe with barca last year...get real...just cuz we won 2-1...dont you remember how they dominated us in that first half? they should have been up 3-0 in the first half and if we played barca 10 times i would put money on us bareley winnning only 1 / 10 times...toe to toe would suggest we'd win 5/10 times...so wake up and stop living in denial....support your team but be realistic too!
Scooby Dooby K
I find it hard to believe that people are having a go at this poster- what he's saying makes sense...its called reality... I cannot find anything he said that isn't...?
Instead of just slating him, contradict what he said, I would be interested to read your argument.
his post in summary:
*RVP doesnt want to discuss extending his contract- erm...true, another player we will lose, if the club doesn't handle it properly.
* Wilshire is out for 5 months- true.
* As long as our team is reliant upon 2-3 key players we will never progress because as we have seen there will always be injuries and suspensions- true.
* We need a better quality of team and not just a couple of players surrounded by a collection of potential teenagers- true.
* RVP will follow cesc if this is not addresses and jack won't be far behind-
True...I can see RVP going, if things don't change...jack I think will take longer, but this could happen as well- I remember when John Cross was in asia for the pre-season and talking in on the radio, he said when he spoke with jack he said that he hopes the club strengthens the squad with some quality signings this summer... John Cross speculated that if Jack was saying this already...at some point in the future if things don't turn around at arsenal, he could see him leaving- he added, can you imagine a young player at man u, however talented, talking about 'strengthening the squad' and that fergie would hang him for that.
I think the main point of what this guy is saying , is that we should wake up at what is happening with our club- NOT that he wants these players to leave...it's just a very real chance of it happening and everyone would be back here and elsewhere moaning when it does and when it's too late.
Thanks a well thought out post. Those people hurling insults at you just seem illogical to me. Why on earth someone would call you a scumbag is beyond me, or why a REAL and LOYAL supporter is not alllowed doubt is equally beyond me.
I support Arsenal and have for over 35 years now, all my life, and go I have my doubts right now. Yes I have seen worse - but not much. Djorrou, Traore (yes I know he's gone now), Kosielny, and Arshavin have all put in such bad performances this year as to rate among the worst I have ever seen from an Arsenal player. I am not convinced at all by the signings, in Germany people see Mertersacker as beginning a decline, Benayoun hasn't played a proper game for over a year, and Arteta (good player though he is) isn't quite the payer he was two years ago. Gervinho may be a good signing but needs time and I fear we don't have that any more at Arsenal, not like when Pires joined and took 6 months plus to become great.
And yes, the sender is entirely right we have very few world class players - I do rate Sagna highly, Vermailen is great but seems to be injured much more than playing, RVP is world class but again will be injured for quite some time as he always is, and Wilshere will not be a major influence this season because of injuries.
After that you have the inconsistant and still with a lot to prove Ramsey, the good but not great defending Song, and of course Sczceny who will keep improving and shows a lot of promise.
There will be no marquee signings for the same reason there haven't been any in many years. One we can't and will not pay the wages and two no hope of silverware.
I am not giving up hope here but suspect the golden years are in the past for a while now. As ever we will need to find a new way and it will take time, as ever I will support Arsenal but cannot help but think it all could have been avoided by better management this summer.