Arsenal Rumours Archive November 30 2012

 

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30 Nov 2012 20:09:21
Am I the only one who believes the recent comments re the players salaries being chopped is an own goal? If it is true we are after top, top players ( I will believe it when I see it) which player with any sense would come to the club with the risk of taking a giant pay cut. The timing of such statements beggar belief, just who do have to promote this club, the chuckle brothers? Such comments can only put players off coming or are footballers today more stupid than many think? The timing was the most personic thing I have heard from the club, and to me again demonstrates that the directors rewards come before anything else. With those already here like Walcott, why push for a big increase when there is a very real chance he will end up with LESS than he is on now. Be real, get rid of the person(s) who made these comments and bring someone in with sense.

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Well everyone on here knows I read Le Grove, and they said the same thing. I asked if anyone had heard about it...have to say why on earth would Theo sign a contract, or Sagna sign an extension? I mean come on. If this to me is a surefire sign that the club and/or Wenger believes the team is not performing the way it should then this is a very strange way of trying to give them a kick.

However....with our club there is always something very sneaky and not quite right about everything that seems to happen. If you ask the question how can the club not see it needs to change the wage structure - simple answer - it must see that. So how do they implement this as quickly as possible? 1) Sell the players who they can. 2) Come up with something ridiculous like this.

Gazidis, last year and the year before: "We factor financially for a lack of Champions League revenue for 2 years in every 5. This club will be safe and will be able to compete even if we fail to qualify."

Sounds to me as though perhaps that was all rubbish.

Metal Gooner

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01 Dec 2012 02:48:41
I agree the current club management comes across as devious and dishonest these days. been a supporter since 1972 and I can't say I've ever felt so negative about Arsenal management or ownership before. I just wondered if this isn't an attempt to deflect supporters attention onto the players at a time Gazidis and co are taking so much flak for crap management. An under the table way to imply players are the problem for underperforming rather than management? But even if it's not meant that way, the timing is foolish and the message is poor.

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All players at every club get a basic wage, which is then enhanced by performance related payments, CL qualification. If there is a story at all in this, it is that when negotiating new deals the club are making the performance incentives real, rather than having load of average players (bentdner, schillacci etc) picking up 50k per week for F All, to the point that they refuse to leave. Fair play I reckon!

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This 'pay-cut' story is complete nonsense. All players have performance-related bonuses in their contracts. It's ludricrous for the papers to imply that it's something new that's been introduced to cut costs at penny-pinching Arsenal.

Stezza.

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It's more of a incentive you and the team play poor and don't qualify for champions league do you really deserve that kind of pay? Keep playing well with at least qualifying and you have nothing to worry about, what is the big deal with that wages should have been like this from the beginning.

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I think that story has been misconstrued?

Didn't they say it was only new players who'd be asked to have that clause?

In more than likely wrong, but I'm certain that was it?

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Guys, I think you're missing the point. The players already have performance-related bonuses....this is not what the article was saying. The articles were saying the players would face WAGE CUTS not lose bonuses. Massive difference.

Also, I fail to see how any player would accept this. Last seasons Sagna was out for months at a time with leg breaks - how would it have been fair to reduce his wages had we not finished 3rd?

You can only punish the players that play so how would it be fair, regardless of his wages and how high we think they are, how would it be fair to cut Arshavin's wages for example when he never gets a game?

The whole idea is stupid. I agree, it's nothing to do with being like other clubs, we already have that in place as standard, every player has some sort of performance-related bonus. This is just a way of shifting the blame onto the players for how badly the team is managed.

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30 Nov 2012 19:17:29
Not been on for a while but lets come back with a bang.....

According to sources other than those on your Chips, we are in for Bastian schweinsteiger. I know, I know, its one of those names doing the rounds, he wont leave Munich etc etc....but I have an agent buddy as mentioned on here before and apparently we have made a tentative enquiry. Well a bit more than that actually but some ridiculous figure of 50m is in the air so my analysis of this probably matches the readers of this post - Chances slim to none ! but keep you posted

Spain Gooner

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Um.... Are you Malaga gooner under a different name?

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Its quite unfair to not be able to click on diagree more than once.

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Malaga gooner is back... His timing is perfect ! Exactly one month before the transfer window and he will be gone on 31 January. Last year it was Hazard, this year will be Sweini... :D:D

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01 Dec 2012 20:50:35
this is crap, if we had 50m to spend on a midfielder why not buy a class midfielder (Gotze) who could be prised away for 30m
Our Board wont pay 50m in January never mind on one player. Time for the fans to get together to get the greedy board out.

Rob

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Gotta be Malaga Gooner surely :) aw we missed you Malaga, got some big fat whoppers for us then ? starting with Bastian Swhienstieger , you should start off with something even slightly believable
J

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30 Nov 2012 18:08:16
A lot of people talking about the atmosphere at the emirates, and the out pricing of the working class goon seems to be an issue for many.

I've only ever been fortunate enough to visit the emirates 5 times (Aside: We won every game I attended :P) and Highbury once for my 16th, Dennis Bergkamp day against West Brom, his last ever goal I'm pretty sure, anyway that's off topic, getting nostalgic!

I was really disappointed with the Emirates atmosphere each time, including 7-0 v Blackburn last season - when we should have been rubbing it in, people were heading home!

I agree that when the working class are absent this can have a detrimental effect on the atmosphere. But I think there's possibly a very simple solution rather then waiting for prices to drop.

There's surely a multitude of large supporters groups in London and other parts that regularly attend games.

Now this is a rudimentary example
but for arguments sake,...

you have 4 "representatives" from these supporters clubs, one in each stand, that have attended the game in a large group.

These Reps have a walkie talkie each, and between them they decide on what chant there going for, so the stadium is in unison. (Nothing worse when one half of the stadium is singing a different song!) Its there job to lead there group.

If there's large enough groups or enough reps it could work, as it becomes infectious no matter you paid for your seat.

Either way the club can't improve the atmosphere, it has to come from the fans

Sheeny

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They've won every game you've attended! Don't suppose you can get down there for the rest of the season could ya? :-) Flybo

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I was hoping some1 might buy me a season ticket for luck :P
But ya honestly won every game, I went to. Had some bant with my mates' mates about it after the Blackburn game!
He's act connected to Henri Lansbury in some way so I had his ticket for the game. Took a heap of pictures with me and his name on the card hoping he would turn good for us, sickned when he went! Anyway more babble!

Sheeny

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I too was at the Denis Bergkamp day... what a day :) That was my 1st time to the Emirates

Rob

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Blimey, I knew there was a lack of atmosphere at the Emirates but this is the most ridiculous/desperate thing I've ever heard! By the way, whats the weather lie down there? Spurs67

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If this is what we want then prices have to drop. Compare our prices (and the EPL in general) with going to a game in Spain or Germany, where fans are valued and seen as the life blood of the club. Not as a cash cow for the Kroenke/Gazidis axis!

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30 Nov 2012 17:46:07
Come on let's show huge support for these next two home games regardless of who plays. These next 6 games is say we desperatly need 15+ points out of 18. Say Wenger is planning on bringing in 2-3 players this January. It's essential we are 4th by then. We've already lost enough pulling power for top players over the years. No CL would be a catastrophe. I think we will get it through the failings of Tottenham, Chelsea, Everton etc. It's key in Jan we bring in Henry to cover for ACON players and a much need striker and Midfielder. Hopefully Diaby back isn't a "new signing".

I also hope Wenger takes the CC seriously. We have a good dhot this year with only a shaky Chelsea side as real competition. A good run in the CL would be brilliant. Our defence could replicate Chelseas last year. Bring on Dortmund, Juventus...

Detroit Gooner

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30 Nov 2012 16:06:58
I don't know if it's possible to recreate the atmosphere of Highbury but you look at places like Dortmund and the authenticity of it versus the typical empty superficial experience of a venue where it's gone a bit American and you just wish for a cold steak & kidney pie now and then. Experience is a bit empty for me but still here hoping that as a team we really start to worry teams again - soon.

2 cents

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30 Nov 2012 15:30:11
"News of Zaha coming to us shows no sign of abating. He's exactly the sort of player we'd be interested in. Young, expensive and untested."

Made me chuckle!

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30 Nov 2012 15:24:04
Saw today that the club is putting into player contracts that if we fail to secure top 4 then they take a wage cut...

Also saw that we're tracking Kevin Strootman.

Anyone know any more about this?

Metal Gooner

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Kevin Strootman will be very very good signing. Also Man unt are interested in him too and getting him under their nose will be very nice

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30 Nov 2012 13:13:30
Ed, do you think theres any chance of arsenal bringing lewandowski to the emirates? {Ed007's Note - Arsenal are certainly interested in the player.}

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30 Nov 2012 14:58:05
Just read, in the 14 Prem matches so far this season, we've attempted 284 crosses, only 46 were successful, not exactly impressive...

Sheeny

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Gilberto

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100 of them from sagna with only 3 complete

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30 Nov 2012 14:57:26
Bit of fun.
I was thinking of a player the other day that tends to be forgotten about.
He played when we won things. Aloud those around him to play, while he nice and quietly went about his business. A player that would do a great job for us now, in a position that needs strengthening at the moment.
For two points. Who am I thinking of? Will post the players name this evening. (If there's anyone out there that cares)
UP THE GOONERS. Flybo {Ed007's Note - Ray Parlour?}

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Lee dixon

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Gilberto silva

champagne charlie

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Gilberto? He was more obvious.

Hmmm. Could be a few to be fair!

Metal Gooner

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Gilberto Silva?

Personally think we could really do with him now. At least someone like him.

StEvE

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Edu?
Bedford Gooner

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Flamini?

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Gilberto

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Gilberto

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Gilberto Silva?

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The Romford Pele!

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Congrats to the majority of you. Even though Edu was a good shout. The reason why I wanted to mention him is it's always Viera (understandable) who is mentioned, and if you put a name with him it would be reet Petit. So just a quick shout out to the silent Brazilian Gilberto. If he was in his prime playing for us now, I would be so much more relaxed.
No surprise from champagne charlie, Metal and StEvE. I knew you wouldn't let me down.
UP THE GOONERS. Flybo

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The majority of fans have picked a dm

we sold song in the summer and never replaced him!

why did arsene take a gamble in the most important position on the pitch??

when barcelona wanted cover in this position they go and buy a player! oh look they did "song"!!

people on here want to talk about tactics and formations to me and say all i do is moan!
so lets talk about footballing decisions wenger has made?

champagne charlie

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Ashley Cole? ;-)

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RVP !!!!!!

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30 Nov 2012 13:10:41
Lakerville, random question, but we all know just how good Fergie is, and we all know he has exceptional foresight. He hasn't made a single bad purchase in years as far as I can remember and he knows when to let players go. Yes I was bewildered that Berba, the league's highest scorer in the 10/11 season found himself benched for the entire 11/12 season, but really I can't think of anything else. Anderson is a top player who has struggled to get games due to other consistent world class mids still being at united...who are actually STILL at united haha.

Sorry, off topic....my question is, do you think he signed Kagawa as a stepping stone to signing Goetze? Just a thought. Goetze was going nowhere last year. Signing Kagawa obviously signs you a top midfielder but it also gives you a foot in the Mario camp no? Don't be surprised to hear stuff in the media sooner or later about how Kagawa reckons Mario would 'love the EPL, love life in Manchester, really thrive at United' etc etc...

Metal Gooner

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Im sorry fergie does not compare to wenger in terms of signings.

as far as unknown gems the only reliable players he has are the two that came from the academy over 20 odd years ago in scholes and giggs.

he paid 28 million for veron, he paid 32 million for berba ( who seems like a flop considering he barely used him), he bought players like bebe who he never saw play, and then there are the youngsters he said had potential to be scholes or giggs, like macheda, gibson and so on.

Fergie has spent money to be where he is...but his "X" factor is possibly the fact he instills the will power, even in his below par players to eek every ounce of potential.

Wenger has consistently brought players and made them household names...however he seems to be content and lacking that killer instinct we all thought he had...or perhaps patience is required, in today's cut throat world failure is unacceptable and unfortunately not everyone triumphs. I can understand wengers vision, its a bit like chess.

you put a winger with direct approach and he puts ramsey...who is brilliant if he actually does what wenger wants him to do...the point of a midfielder on the wing, gives him greater scope and vision to pull plays, however this is ramsey after his fall from grace.

As far as kagawa goes, from what i read, he seemed to push the move to united, but i still feel fergie does not have the vision of wenger, also everytime fergie buys these technical players they end up on the bench for 3-4 months a year. We pay for this alot but wenger cant get enough of technical phil-juggery.

Fergie wants a Good back line, a lethal front line and a midfield that can pass the ball, shooting is a bonus

Wenger wants the midfield to control the game...his front line and back line theory seems to be from the greco-roman times.
This works for barcelona, but then if we had messi, even with our current squad we would be unstoppable, or atleast on top of the EPL, hell west brom would look like real madrid.

I think united are going to lose defenders in the next transfer window, the likes of ferdinand and vidic, evra is below par,

somehow we slate ramsey but carrick is absolutely atrocious to watch, however they win so its never brought up.

If they sell nani then a winger is availabe...however he just bought nick powell and he still utilizes players like valencia and young on the wing,even welbeck and chicarito will play there with RVP up front now, so from my perspective i doubt fergie will spend 30 million on gotze to have a winger bomb the flanks, his priority is a defender, possibly hummels, then a defensive mid, fletcher seems like hes been to mars and back, and possibly a striker, just for fun.

Lakerville

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Sir Alex signed Bebe and Obertan...both have flopped and left within the last 3 years.

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30 Nov 2012 12:59:39
"This winter we will work very hard because
we have some funds available. It could happen
that we buy two players, but I cannot reveal
the names." - Wenger

Erm....how 'hard' do you actually have to work to bring a player to the club.

To the club - 'Will you accept £12m for Huntelaar?' --- 'Yes.'

To Player - 'You're on £60'000 a week now - fancy coming to us for £90'000? Least we could do.' ----- 'Yes that's great!'. ---- '4 year contract sound good?' ----- 'Sounds perfect Arsene, thanks! Bye Schalke!'

Come on Arsene it is only as hard to sign a player as you make it. {Ed007's Note - Complete nonsense. Transfers in this day and age are long drawn out affairs. What about this for starters:

To Agent 'How much do you want for arranging the deal?' ---- Agent '£1 million'

To Taxman 'How much tax is owed on this entire transfer' ----- Taxman 'All monies are taxed at the current VAT level.'

That is a lot more than the £12 million initially asked for.There are taxes, agents fees, taxes on agents fees, residual insurances, relocation expenses, arrangement fees all to be considered in addition to the transfer fee and then the wages.}

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Yes all true but we pay the highest wages in the world...we might as well see a team that can win the FA cup and Carling cup if not the EPL and CPL

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Ed while I was obviously trivialising the process, the fact still stands arsenal FC are shocking at tying up deals with any speed as has been proven time and time again.

And whilst I am aware all of those considerations are genuine, all of that is a bye product of a deal. The fact that an agent wants a bit of money should not stop us buying a player. Tax is expected and can be measured in moments. I am not saying it doesn't cost more than 12m of course it does, but KNOWING that already, why does it take us so long?

Also, the costs of relocating a player etc etc as well as the process, there are people working at the club whose job it is to oversee that stuff. It's not Wenger on the phone to the relocation people arguing over a couple of grand to relocate someone from europe to london. It's not Wenger finding them a hotel or somewhere to live.

How hard can it be to allocate funds for a player, agree a deal with their club, agree a wage arrangement for them, and get them to sign? It really should not be as drawn out as we make it, it's embarrassing. Fannying like this cost us Reina and Mata to name but two.

Also, we don't pay the player's wages when they sign do we? So a 12m transfer with fees is not 'actually a 40m transfer' - it's a 12m transfer plus fees. The wages are paid weekly thereafter with money the club earns through sales and operations. So when the club says we cannot afford to pay 40m for a 10m striker in jan the rest of the world sits and says well why would it cost you all 40m in jan, you pay that money over the duration of the contract....

long story short we are notoriously bad at making quick signings and there has to be a reason for that other than the things you said because those things apply to every transfer and we are so slow. Man U want a player they get it done. Boom. Us? NOOOOOOOO {Ed007's Note - Man Utd lose out on a lot of transfers because of the total price of the deal, it happens at every club. Do you honestly think AF wouldn't have liked to further strengthen at least his midfield this season? All I am saying is it is not as clear cut as some people think, you have simplified the whole transfer process down to a fee and wages when in reality it is far more complicated than that.}

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Thanks for your contribution Ed...Losing out on deals is not a one club problem. I think what fans forget is that while we hear all about the missed deals for Arsenal, we don't hear about them for other clubs for a very simple reason...we read about Arsenal constantly. We don't read about other clubs...

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The Ed's responses should get there own like/agree button.

Rob

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