Arsenal Rumours Archive August 03 2012

03 Aug 2012 20:21:04
Ed - you seem fairly certain we are are going after wanyama.do you think this is because there is a chance song might leave? wenger was quick to rule out m'vila saying we had plenty of options in midfield.with cazorla and possibly sahin coming in,surely someone must be heading out the door if we are moving for wanyama?

cheers, andy {Ed022's Note - You would think so mate. I am very certain of this Wanyama bid and interest from Arsenal, which would mean the end of interest in M'Vila it seems, and could well spell the end of someone's Arsenal career.}

Arshavin or ramesy with song moving forward thats why we need a dm

Why not the end of Diaby or Denilson's career? Maybe Song in the long term depending on how Wanyama does but as many fans are rightly pointing out, the team needs strength and depth. Wages might be the only impediment to squad size thought.

Stewart

Hopefully Song


Clg

If it's the end of Song with Arsenal then it is purely a move to recoup ~10 mill from what we've outlaid already this summer. Sell for 16-17 million, buy for 7 million. 10 million profit!

With abou, andre & neves all looking likely to move on or being injured in abou's case i think a back up holding midfielder to complement song would be a quality addition to the team, but i fear we could be held back in signing wanyama because of the squad size restraints i could be wrong though, i also feel the proffesor will try very hard to keap alexander song billong for as long as possible so i can not see song moving to barca easily i do not believe wanyama is a replacement for song but more of an addition if the deal can be made

Celtic fan here,,,if use manage 2 get wanyama then use will have a great young player on ur hands,,,just dont expect 2 get him on the cheap lol

I thought Denilson went back to Brazil on a permanent? {Ed035's Note - Only a loan deal

Wanyama is highly over-rated, he was a good player in the SPL last season, not a great player and the difference between the SPL and EPL is massive.

Ed¬ anything wrong in Arsenal having two solid DM in Song & Yann M'villa at the same time ? {Ed027's Note - not at all, but then what about Wilshere Arteta Carzola, personally id want atleast two of those three in team

Your right wanyama plays for a over rateted pub team just not good enought for the gooners

Just remember songs agent is Darren dein and winger knows all the players at his agency have left - plan now as history tells you he will leave along with the other cesc Rvp henry and more

End of Jack Wilshere's career, he's not playing again. He'll just get set back after set back untill he calls it a day.

Celtic fan here. if wanyama was playing in the epl he would be worth about 15 million in my opinion. if you get him he will be a fantastic player for you. i dont think we would get that cash for him as the spl is very weak but he was a stand out in our europa games against quality teams. his bro plays for inter i think. anyway , top player that if he keeps progressing will be a world class cm......bhoywonder

03 Aug 2012 18:57:06
Sahin hint as interest in DEMBELE becomes higher, but only if they sell. Mourinho told SAHIN that he could leave and arsenal are biggest contenders to land the playmaker

Also carzorla to be announced soon as he passed medical yesterday evening

Why dont we get Dembele, he is a beast.

To be announced as soon as yesterday? haha

03 Aug 2012 18:06:39
{Ed022's Note - There is a brand new Player Profile on Victor Wanyama of Celtic. Arsenal see this man as the better, cheaper alternative to Yann M'Vila, and are about to/have just bid for the Celtic midfielder and seem to be set on bringing him to the Emirates. All the information on him as a player is covered on the profile, and if you want to find out any more details etc then feel free to come on over to the site and drop a comment onto his profile etc. - www.player-profiles.co.uk - cheers all.}

I live in Scotland and watch the SPL every week being a big Hibs fan but also a big Arsenal fan and I honestly don't think Wanyama is to Premier League quality... would be a bad signing if true. {Ed022's Note - There is no 'if'.}

The problem is he now champions league tied after playing for celtic this week cannot see wenger buying him after this

Hibs fan you havent a clue Wanyama is top class

Qualifiers don't count in terms of being cup tied

03 Aug 2012 15:28:30
And we have Rvp to thank for giving the board the boot up the a##e they needed

So Deluded Did We Not But Giroud And Podolski Before He Made His Statement Before the Window Even Opened.

U really think vp had a part to play in this? Like if he just signed a new contract that would of stopped us getting podolski and cazorla? Someone has already posted what gazidis said last yer! This has been in the pipeline for a while

Maybe money is bein spend because of the fair play rules coming in next years.

DA

Do we?

03 Aug 2012 16:28:56
That would be the boot up the a##e to sign the player they tried to last summer before being gazzumped by Mega Million Malaga's bid (using money they didn't have)? Not sure your logic follows! {Ed035's Note -

Wow how delusional. RVP riding to the rescue as he flies off to City or United or wherever! Or of course it could just be Arsene had already wrapped up Podolski and Giroud, and that he is looking at Sahin because of the Wilshere problems?
What do you think? Oh and I for one will be at the back of any queue looking to praise RVP.

Did Robin Van Persie present the Arsenal board with a rigorously costed plan to show them how they could move forward with new avenues of investment? I think not. RVP is a player and, like any other player, is an employee of the club. He does not direct the policy of an entire business.

Stewart

No chance, RVP to thank for WHAT!!!!
scoring goals.....is that what we pay him a 100K a week

With all due respect podolski and giroud are not world class , yet . Why are we not buying proven pl class players . Why buy carzorla when we could get ben arga , it happens every summer

FFP is getting scrapped cos teams can get around it with insane sponsorship deals like man citys owners getting another company he owns to sponsor them for 400 million a year.

Good, Now we can give RVP the boot up the a**e that HE DESERVES!
Hope he f***S off anywhere, very very soon.
GOOD RIDDANCE!

Cazorla Is Alot Better Than Ben Arfa {Ed022's Note - Agreed.}

"why but Cazorla when you can buy Ben arga?"

Assuming you mean Ben arfa, maybe it's because Cazorla is better?

D

How can you have that many caps for Germany without being worldclass? I agree with Giroud but he will be in time

You could say, he gave us a kick up the... Arsenal.

That was dreadful, I apologise.

Ted

How on earth can you say podolski is not world class? That's the stupidest thing I've read on here in a long time, and there has been some grade a s***e!
As for Ben arfa, you say you want world class but you'd rather him then santi cazorla? You need help, seriously...
Do me a favour and repost this with your name signed so I can skip to the bottom of every post from now on and disregard it off hand if it's you.

James

Yeah he's paid very well too do his job , but so are a lot of players there and they are not doing there job . It's been the same story for 7-8 Years - sell our top performers and replace them with inferior cheaper ones . Yes it's good for the books , but we haven't won anything in that time . It's time for a change and Rvp has highlighted it in the best possible way ( it was either that or finish 5th )

Can I just say...the arguments here are a waste of time! the fact is; Podolski is world class and a fantastic signing, Giroud is world class and a fantastic signing, Cazorla is definately world class and a fantastic signing! and most certainly better then that ben arfa bloke?? arsene you have done brilliantly and i believe you have at least one more great signing planned....you are the professor!!

Rvp is just a football player who is paid very well to be a inspiring and loyal captain - he has failed at this and now you are telling me he is saving the club - what a load of ***t

03 Aug 2012 15:22:39
Caen president Jean-Francois Fortin told L'Equipe:

"Arsenal made me a proposition, but other clubs are interested – two in England and one in Italy. I think there will be an issue here for a fortnight [before the matter is resolved]."

Talking about Niang

Marty

Obviously

03 Aug 2012 14:19:59
Gunners to out bid Man Utd for Victor Wanyama 9mill plus ad ons big Joe in the know

I dont think he will be that expencive..if he will, wenger wont buy him

Then keep your money. We'll be delighted that he's staying. Good luck for the new season.

Good luck then to Man Utd but hope we keep him

03 Aug 2012 13:26:53
Player for player we probably have a compable squad to Man City (assuming RVP stays, which he may not!); although perhaps not the depth in defense.

Aguero vs RVP
Tevez vs Podolski
Dzeko vs Giroud
Balotelli vs Theo
Nasri vs Gervinho/Rosicky
Adam J vs Ox

Silva vs Cazorla
Barry vs Arteta
De Jong vs Song
Milner vs Sahin
Yaya vs Diaby

Clichy vs Gibbs
Kolarov vs Santos
Zabaleta vs Sagna
Ricahrds vs Jenkinson

Lescott vs Koscielny
Kompany vs Vermanlen
Toure vs Merts
Savic vs Djourou

Hart vs Shazza

All very hypothetical, very meaningless and VERY EXCITING.

Billybob

Aguero vs RVP = Draw
Tevez vs Podolski = Draw
Dzeko vs Giroud = Man C
Balotelli vs Theo = Man C
Nasri vs Gervinho/Rosicky = Man C
Adam J vs Ox = Ars

Silva vs Cazorla = Man C
Barry vs Arteta = Ars
De Jong vs Song = Ars
Milner vs Sahin = Ars
Yaya vs Diaby = Man C

Clichy vs Gibbs = Man C
Kolarov vs Santos = Draw
Zabaleta vs Sagna = Ars
Ricahrds vs Jenkinson = Man C

Lescott vs Koscielny = Ars
Kompany vs Vermanlen = Man C
Toure vs Merts = Draw
Savic vs Djourou = Ars

Hart vs Shazza = Man C

Man City = 9
Arsenal = 7

Unfortunately not. We need quality not quantity.

JW

Unfortunately City Win With Most Play On That List Put The League Isnt Won On Paper

Koscielny and Vermaelen way better than Kompany and Lescott in terms of ability, the only reason Arsenal look fragile is because of their high backline, did you know Kos and Verm made most last ditch challenges last season, and Vermaelen only played half the season!

Just my opinion but this is who i think is superior from this list;

Aguero < RVP
Tevez > Podolski
Dzeko < Giroud
Balotelli = Theo i.e. both inconsistent
Nasri > Gervinho/Rosicky
Adam J < Ox

Silva > Cazorla
Barry < Arteta
De Jong >>> Diaby

Clichy > Gibbs
Kolarov = Santos
Zabaleta > Jenkinson

Lescott < Koscielny
Kompany > Vermanlen
Toure > Merts
Savic = Djourou i.e. both are s***

Hart > Shazza

just my opinion but overall city are still better purely based on the influence of Yaya and Silver - You forgot Wilshere!!! our best player IMO!

I'd put him above Sahin, Arteta, Ramsey, Diaby, Song, Ox, Theo, Gir, Pod and any other player you wish to mention in an Mid-Att position!

BMS

I know he's still injured but.. Wilshere vs ?

I didn't say we are better, I said we are comparable and even that makes it all exciting. I know paper is not the same as form and actual performances, but this is the first time in a fews, where I have seen so many exciting names in our squad!


Even in the above examples, where man city "wins", by how much really?

its certainly not:
chamakh vs dzeko
park vs tevez
ramsey vs silva

In one transfer window we have mad gigantic strides!

Billybob

If you compare that squad too Manchester United, not only does it match it, I think it surpasses it! This could be a bright season if things go our way!

Man utd is a very different team, which makes it a little hard to compare - but again, the gap between ourselves and the manchester teams is smaller.

Rooney vs RVP
Hernandez vs Podolski
Berbatov vs Giroud
Young vs Theo
Giggs vs Rosicky
Nani vs Gervinho
Welbeck vs Ox

Kagawa vs Cazorla
Scholes vs Arteta
Carrick vs Song
Cleverly vs Sahin
Fletcher vs Diaby
Valencia vs Ramsey

Evra vs Gibbs
Rafael vs Santos
Jones vs Sagna
? vs Jenkinson

Rio vs Koscielny
Vidic vs Vermanlen
Evans vs Merts
Smailing vs Djourou

De Gea vs Shazza

Billybob

Overall sqaud quality between us and the two Manchester clubs is very close. I just feel City just still have one or two more individual match winners that can win a game on their own and Utd have that stronger winning mentality having been there and done it so many times.

I think Arsenal are the strongest from a technical passing and control prospective. Alot will depend on injuries ofcourse(which we are due better luck on) and what transfers come in and out up until the season starts.

It isn't about individuals, it is about the team as a whole. i reckon while we may not have nearly as many individual stars, we aren't far away from them as a TEAM

Aguero < RVP
Tevez > Podolski
Dzeko > Giroud
Balotelli > Theo
Nasri > Gervinho/Rosicky
Adam J < Ox

Silva > Cazorla
Barry < Arteta
De Jong < Song
Milner > Sahin (reason Milner wins is because we don't have Sahin and we're not getting Sahin).
Yaya ? Diaby (we will see just how good Diaby can get if he manages to stay fit).

Clichy > Gibbs
Kolarov > Santos
Zabaleta < Sagna
Ricahrds > Jenkinson

Lescott < Koscielny
Kompany > Vermanlen
Toure > Merts
Savic < Djourou

Hart > Shazza

I count that at Man City 12 : 7 Arsenal. But that's just my opinion to be fair. Player for player we aren't as good but...

Mancini

Aguero
Podolski
Giroud
Ballotelli
Rosicky/Gervinho

Silva
Arteta
Song
Sahin
Yaya

Clichy
Kolarov
Sagna
Richards

Koscienly
Kompany
Toure
Djourou

Hart

MC= 10 Arsenal= 9

Now for MU

RVP
Podolski
Giroud
Young
Rosicky
Nani
Ox

Cazorla
Arteta
Song
Sahin
Diaby
Valencia

Evra
Rafael
Sagna
FABIO

Koscienly
Vidic
Evans
Smalling

Shazza

MU=9 Arsenal= 12

IMO

03 Aug 2012 13:19:05
Gazidis now part of the FA ...what does this spell?

World domination, it's quite simple.

Ted

03 Aug 2012 12:41:20
First some of you guys said Cazorla to be unveiled this week. Then it was - according to a certain guy - friday (at 11 am - LOL). Now it's next week (together with Sahin)...

I don't think we will sign him to be honest. Hopefully i am wrong.

Stefan

I hope I am wrong, but I am starting to get the Ata vibe about Cazorla...

I hate pessimists... Keep your bs for yourself!

Your wrong

I don't understand how people on this site can be so positive all the time.....

Untill transfers are comfirmed on arsenal.com its all speculation and deals are not done.

He undertaken a medical what more do u want?

I don't normally get excited by things on here, usually its a lot of rubbish, but theres so mch buzz around Cazorla, and medicals etc that I am tantalized by seeing him in red and white!

03 Aug 2012 12:31:01
What's going on with Bendtner?I last heard that AC were interested or was it just his dad(his agent) making up drivel?
1732

03 Aug 2012 12:11:42
As i posted yesterday, Carzola spoke to Cesc about Arsenal and Cesc told him, only good things about the club, and what a great club he would be joining,and how he would be joining a club with the most loyal fans in the country. I believe The gunners fans will be really excited by this signing, a world class player of high technical ability, and when Wilshere is back to his best again,and Arteta and Chamberlain we will be a to compete with City and Chelsea player for player.

Still a worry over thd defence but spot on

Bang on. I have real concerns about our defence, but aside from that, cash in on RVP and we still have a pretty quality side. The start will be touchy as the team bed in, but a very positive transfer window so far. I would like an additional DM with Song though

Our defence when they are all fit are actually pretty solid its when we start picking up injuries that the goals start to fly in

03 Aug 2012 12:06:19
Cazorla has already signed but will not be unveiled until Arsenal have secured Nuri Sahin. They will be presented together early next week.

Robin Van Persie will lead a strong arsenal side on 12th against FC Koln.


*Gooner Toad*

Surely it makes more sense to announce them separately. It would create more hype and site traffic on the website etc.

03 Aug 2012 12:04:47
Hey guys ,
I think we can look forward to next season.
.....................szczesny
well he will only get better that's for sure we might need a back up goalkeeper but other than that it should be okay.Martinez is much better than shea guys, just letting you know Shea will probably be loaned out then sold in January or released next year.
.....sagna........KoS....Tv5........gibbs
That defence is fantastic bearing in mind that a german captain with over 75 apps does not get into our first team despite being at the age that is arguably when defenders are at their peak.
To be honest djourou is good enough to be a fourth cb so it is not our priority but its likely that the squid will leave and miquel will go on loan so we should look to get one like yanga mbiwa or sakho or abdenour . However it's not priority.
So In terms of defence were okay it's solid and we have a lot of muscle gibbs will improve. I'm not sure whether bartley will stay or go on loan it depends on pre season he still has a lot of work to do and he is not better than djourou .
1732
Thanks

Someone posted this exact same thing about three weeks ago

I posted something similar a while ago but circumstances have changed since.
1732

How can you say that "in terms of defense we're okay" and that "it's solid"? We have an injured right back in Sagna and his under study, Jenkinson, is absolutely not suitable (yet) to play for Arsenal in the PL. On the left back position I am also concerned as Gibbs has a checkered injury history and Andrea Santos is a woeful defender. I think we certain need to bring a right back at minimum as I am not sure how long Sagna will be out for and rushing him back could re-aggravate the break.

Lastly, we still need a 'proper' defensive/holding midfielder to sit in front of the back four. Song is a good midfielder but as you will note from numerous other posts, he doesn't prioritize on his defensive duties as we have had to rely on him for some creativity in the centre of the park in creating chances for our attack.

I am glad about all the additions we have made on the offensive side in Podolski, Giroud and now possibly Cazorla and Sahin but I am not as confident about the defense.

Just my thoughts.

ShayGooner

^^^
True,
But compared to previous years it is better but yes we need to get a versatile defender however it is not our priority but after carzorla signs then yes it may be.
1732

Thank God for you ShayGooner, someone who actually talks sense! Sick to death of people saying our defense is solid this, or defense is solid that! Our defense is FAR from solid and quality additions must be made to improve it, especially in the full back areas.

G95

03 Aug 2012 11:53:13
If the rumours are true re Cazorla our midfield is looking rather packed, and if RVP does not go then we are also well stocked up front, surely there must be deals for some of our 'deadwood' players to leave?
We have to be very careful what we wish for as we could end up like city with half decent players sitting in the reserves collecting 50-60k per week and not leaving until their contracts run out.

Please Mr Wenger keep signing but please also let some of these 'Deadwood' players go, even cut price to get them off the wage bill, as sitting in the reserves for a season they will be worth nothing in a years time.

Have to say very excited about our attacking options now, looks like we have the players to be able to change things around when games are'nt going our way rather than being so predictable.


337

Greatest ever 52k a week is pricing himself out of the market....QPR would be perfect for him.....maybe another loan deal!

03 Aug 2012 11:49:33
The Reason that AoC has been playing defensively is probably because he
has been focusing on defensive techniques probably why he has been doing a lot of defensive work in matches as he is keen to impress .
I would not say he has been sitting back but yes he has done a lot of defensive work lately.
The article was on Arsenal.com It was about how he has developed as a player recently.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-i-must-do-more-to-keep-my-place-in-the-team-

1732
In Arsene we Always trust.

He Was Talking about Learning How To Track Back On The Wing Wenger Was Teaching Him That All Last Season He Didnt Wanna Another Walcott but If You want To Believe Hes Been Practicing At Dm Go Ahead

Spot on mate.....they been to learn how to defend as a team....are you listening Walcott...who always leaves his right back exposed.....

He Was Talking about Learning How To Track Back On The Wing Wenger Was Teaching Him That All Last Season He Didnt Wanna Another Walcott but If You want To Believe Hes Been Practicing At Dm Go Ahead
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Where did you get that from?
This was a reply to reply posted on eliems post "If song has veen ordered to attack why does aoc sit back for him."
I'm not sure why it is posted seperately on the rumours page .

Where in my post do I even imply that he is being transitioned into a dm or any other defensive player.
lol
1732

Oh and I meant more defensively than usual not defensively

Your Either Saying Song Play On The Wing And Aoc Has Been More Defensive Behind Him There Or Your Saying Song Plays Midfield And Aoc Is Effectively Playing Dm
to Improve His Game Which I Doubt. I Didn't Say He Wanted To Or Was Going To
play There Infact You Claimed It.

He Was Talking about Learning How To Track Back On The Wing Wenger Was Teaching Him That All Last Season He Didnt Wanna Another Walcott but If You want To Believe Hes Been Practicing At Dm Go Ahead

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^^^
I'm assuming you wrote the first post.
This post was a reply , and for some odd reason it ended up here...
I have not even mentioned song in my first post.
Song play's DM and IMO he is a good one.
AoC plays on the right wing and CaM.
--
The post I replied to said that aoc sit's back.
I am saying that he does not however he has being playing a bit more defensively than on previous occasions because he has been working on his defensive game. Hence why he wanted to showcase his new skills in recent matches to stake his claim in first team football.This is because Wenger does not want another walcott.
I have not implied nor have I said that AoC is training as a DM or in any other defensive position . My first sentence is a bit misleading I meant to say that AoC has been playing more defensively than usual or has been more weary of attacking threats lately...
Hope that clears it up :)
1732

03 Aug 2012 11:37:59
My Friend works At Emirates Stadium, and has herd they have already seal the deal to bring both Nuri Sahin, And Santi Cazorla Yesterday Evening. Now it will be Announce Later Today or Early on Saturday. the fee for Santi will be in the region of 15-20 million. Also Nuri Sahin will be a loan move with a view to buy for 15million.
Gunner

This Is Not Caps Lock Guy Btw

03 Aug 2012 11:25:46
Guys what would you think to Rondon from Malaga as a back up ST?

not the greatest but still quite young, very strong IMO he will develop into the next ADRIANO (brazilian striker). would only cost around 10m and would be content with not being a starter
dan

There would be no point, we would have been better of keeping vela...
1732

03 Aug 2012 11:05:54
According to the guardian carzola has signed a 4 year deal with us hope true

03 Aug 2012 10:48:17
Damn, I forgot Arteta n Ox.. We also have Rosicky, Coquelin and Diaby..
Wow, we got so much deep in bench.. :)

FlyingGunman

Wilshere and Song?

03 Aug 2012 08:48:45
Daily Mail have said that Arsenal will bid for Victor Wanyama if there is a Barcelona bid for Alex Song.

Mirror reporting that RVP to join Arsenal's training camp in Germany despite Juventus deciding whether they want him

We can all read the newspapers and quote there supposedly in the know reports.

Wanyama is a great young player hope we get him Big Joe

Frankly I hope we go for him AND keep Alex at Emirates.

...and if not Wanyama then Capoue or another pure DMF player.
This would allow Song to continue in his recent playmaking renaissance without jeopardazing the defensive work of the team.

Asyd

Celtic fan here.

The boy is a class act and destined for things greater than the SPL in the near future, unfortunately for us. Not sure it'll happen this season, especially if we make the Champions League, but he'd be a more than adequate long term replacement for Song. Very similar type of player. Worth pointing out his brother plays for Inter Milan.

03 Aug 2012 07:28:37
As Arsenal are hoping/trying to get Nuri sahin on loan and apparently want it with the end of season buy option,
I have a couple of questions about these Loan moves with an option to buy at the end.

1) If there is an option to buy im assuming a price would maybe be set in place from the start of the loan right?

(Reason i'm asking this is the club could just jacked the price up to make it impossible if they change their mind on the player)

2) Can the club loaning the player refuse to sell at the end of the season?

It would suck if we do manage to loan Sahin and he has an amazing season that would change Madrids mind about letting him go

Anyway thanks {Ed002's Note - (1) Sometimes the price is set in the loan agreement, sometimes not. (2) Of course. There are always get out clauses and the player may not wish to join.}

Ok just wasn't to sure thanks for clearing it up though Ed, cheers {Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

03 Aug 2012 00:20:04
Hurray! He is a gunner...santi Cazorla to sign a four year contract worth 16 million pounds with arsenal after successfully undergoing a medical today at the Arsenal Colney.... and Nuri Sahin to join him at the Emirates on Loan in the next 48 hours.

Adewale Ajayi kingunner