Arsenal Rumours Archive December 07 2012

07 Dec 2012 13:39:32
Ed - Do u think Stevan Jovetic is Arsenal's Jan transfer target? {Ed002's Note - No, I don't.}

Huntelaar is it eds? {Ed002's Note - I have explained previously who I understand Arsenal has been looking at. Try searching on Dusan.}

07 Dec 2012 01:44:03
Dear compatriots in the doom and gloom contingent,
Slowly but surly everything we've said is coming true. We may not all agree on a solution, but we should by now all agree that there is a problem. I've said before that innovation made Mr. Wenger great. Innovation in training methods, dietary restriction, scouting policy et al, allowed Arsenal FC to triumph against odds, and conventional wisdom. All the things we did then when no one was doing them meant that we had an edge. I know that when I start throwing numbers and statistical analysis into my posts you probably all switch off, but statistics are just taking what we all see, and putting some numbers to it. My point is, as I've cited before a clubs wage bill accounts for that clubs position 92% of the time. That is HUGE. HOWEVER look at say.. the invincible season. Arsenal had the 2nd highest wage bill in the prem. This means they "over-performed" for that season. Likely as a result of innovation. Watching a team go unbeaten for an entire season must make other managers take some notice. after that season Arsenal just about always finished where their wage bill says they would. If it's not possible for our great club to spend like our rivals (and some might argue that not only is it not possible but also not desirable), then we must do things differently. Watching Arsenal season in and out do the same thing over and over again is like watching a child in school be allowed to retake a test and still tick all the same boxes. We changed the game and left the others behind. Now, the game is changing and leaving us behind. Those of us who think Wenger doesn't have the answers anymore need to put our heads together, and make an argument with one voice about just what this club needs to do to get back in the game. Unless we're just like everyone says we are, "A right miserable lot, who likes to grumble about how unfair the world is." Be the change you want. Charlie, Bones, anyone else... What does this club need to do?

MoeTheGoon

Needs a new manager,get rid of dead wood,stop buying average players,spend on world class players

"allowed Arsenal FC to triumph against odds" - this sentence is what is wrong, and the clubs rhetoric which supporters are buying into, we are one of the riches clubs in history and finance. WE SHOULD BE TOP EVERY YEAR and not against the odds.
Wenger likes to triumph against the odds so lets have a new manager or board that believes AFC are the best.
for me the club needs consumer pressure like booing as nothing is going to change while people at the top like Wenger and Tom Fox believe we are successful without actually being successful.
4th place is just that ........

MB

The problem we have is that the Club seem content to finish 4th and compete in each year in the Champions League. By finishing 4th, we do not have to pay the wages that the winners pay and this suits the Financial Model. There is a waiting list for season tickets and therefore are the Club worried if some supporters do not renew? - no they are not. Things will not change until there are more and more empty seats at home matches, thereby reducing match day income. As for tomorrow, should we lose Wenger already has his excuses lined up with a number of key players injured (apparently). Sadly that means that Gervinho and Ramsey will probably play which straight away gives West Brom an advantage. Expect some cheap, and possibly unknown new faces in January with the resigning of Henry designed to keep us all happy.

2nd biggest wage bill in the EPL?? Which club has got a lower wage bill than us. Man Utd, Citeh or Chelsea. Pool aren't far either...

He's talking 2004 you muppet. Before Chelsea when crazy on wages. It probably was only utd with a bigger bill

JJ

1. Different formation (4-4-2 like the good old days).
2. Different Manager (who is willing to evolve and change within matches)
3. Buy better Players (Hummels, Fellaini, Huntelaar, Higuain, Zaha)
4. Pay competitive wages.
5. Sell the crap (Gerv, Ramsey, Bender, Squid, Djoupoo, Santos, Denilson)

Basically press the rest button and start a fresh.

Chess

Very well put Moe. No easy answer. Off to the pub now to put the world and our beloved Arsenal to rights. Tomorrow feels like the morning of a cup final (remember them). Nervous, excited and trying to be positive.

Come on you rip roaring Gunners.

Bones

Chess,
he would have to admit he was wrong and that is never going to happen.

champagne charlie

A major change in thought is needed. The reason we are able to lure young talent is because we pay them high wages in comparison to other clubs. How that back fires is if the player proves to be a dud then we cant offload that very young and sub-par player who is on high wages. So we get a high overall wage bill but no real quality in the squad. Now if we have to pay mega-bucks to top talent then we have to stop paying relatively huge money to kids, which means the kids might not come to our club just on the financial carrot. But we can still tempt any player if we win trophies. We need a philosphy of taking that gamble. Spend a little, replace like for like and win something and things will all fall in place. All we had to do over the last 7 years is to buy 1 marquee player every 1-2 years and we would have won a lot. Now Wengy/board have dug themselves into a hole from which they would have to invest major to get out off. They are hedging all their bets on FFP to help them out after 2 more years, which pretty much means as it stands they dont intend to change their ways for atleast 2-4 more years.

Ash

Yes MB,
"...against the odds." I know I know Arsenal FC is by far the greatest team the world has ever seen, but obviously you don't know how probability(ODDS) work. As I said in the OP in the invincibles season Arsenal were odds on 92-1 for to place SECOND. Finishing first, let alone unbeaten is then OBVIOUSLY against the odds, and thus overachieving. Managers lie, agents lie, pundits lie, numbers don't lie. I'm not trying to be contentious here, but how can you argue with facts? You're arguing against something that is inarguable. All I asked for was for us to get our heads together and come up with a proper solution we could all agree upon, and you want to argue with me over whether your gut feeling is more accurate than hard fact. Your delusion is just the kind of problem I'm trying to solve. What can Arsenal do to either A)Make it statistically reasonable to believe that we can win things, or B)Give ourselves an edge to defy the odds again.
Kind Regards,
MoeTheGoon