30 Aug 2013 07:28:28
Hello all,

News has emerged that Torres is being made available by Chelski, IMO we should go for him, obviously he's not the player he was but he is world class and he seems like our only option. Thanks

1.) 30 Aug 2013
He can't be both not the player he was and world class?

2.) 30 Aug 2013
Can speaking stop calling above average players world class. World class is RVP, Ronaldo, Messi etc. I wouldn't even call Rooney world class. For the record I think our team has 0 world class players.

Spuds are claiming they've signed 6 world class players this transfer window. No they haven't - they've signed 6 UEFA cup players.

{Ed022's Note - Santi Cazorla would walk into Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc... Therefore, I deem him World Class...}

3.) 30 Aug 2013
Cazorla wouldn't walk anywhere near Real Madrid, damn he hardly walks into Spain.

World class is used too loosely now a days.

4.) 30 Aug 2013
I admit Santi is close but we wouldn't walk into any of those teams. He would certainly get games for them. World class should mean a certain starter for pretty much any team (including international teams, possibly apart from Spain if they are a midfielder).

World class for me: Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Ramos, Thiago Silva, Lahm, Cesc, RVP, Alonso, Alba, Schweinsteger, Neuer, Falcao, Vidic, Pirlo, Alves, plus a few more.

5.) 30 Aug 2013
@sloth No bale? LMAO. You're right, he isn't.

6.) 30 Aug 2013
30 Aug 2013 10:51:48
"World class for me: Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Ramos, Thiago Silva, Lahm, Cesc, RVP, Alonso, Alba, Schweinsteger, Neuer, Falcao, Vidic, Pirlo, Alves, plus a few more."

If world class includes all these and more, they would by definition not be 'certain starters' in any team would they.

7.) 30 Aug 2013
Haven't you heard the good news? We don't need torres we've got NB52!

8.) 30 Aug 2013
Urban Coeur - Duh! any real team. There can be more than 11 world class players. All of those players would be pretty much certain starters for any team bar Barca and Spain. that's my point.

Another potential definition (which would probably produce the same result) would be any player that would get into the either the world XXII (i.e best 22 players with 2 LBs, 2RBs, 4CBs, 2 GKs etc. )

9.) 30 Aug 2013
I think you missed the point and then reiterate the same thing. To suggest that 'world class' only applies to the worlds best 22 or even 30 players is absurd.

10.) 30 Aug 2013
I really don't think suggesting that only the worlds best 20-30 players can be classed as world class is absurd. Its far more absurd to suggest Torres is a world class player.

At the same time I'm not going to argue with anyone if they think Bale, Rooney, Cazorla, David Silva, Mata are world class. I'd say they are probably top 30 in the world so borderline.

11.) 30 Aug 2013
If rvp is world class then what happens in 5 years time if there is 50 players playing at a better level than he is now. surely then there would be 50 world class players. limiting it is short sighted. it depends on what standard there is at any giving time to judge how many world class players there is.

12.) 31 Aug 2013
I'm not saying there is a hard limit and yes standards do change slowly, but its hardly short sighted to say that to be considered one of the top players in the world (i.e world class) you have to be in the top 20-30 players. Top 50 odd is fine too. But please people need to stop saying someone is world class when they wouldn't make a top 100. Torres for example is probably not even in the top 20 strikers.

If my very rough guide for how I judge someone being world class is so crazy - please someone suggest better. Perhaps they play somewhere in the world,
? they know where the world is? They can spell "world class"? (that might catch some players out)