12 Jun 2014 00:37:38
REDROSIE. Look I don't care whether Rooney plays for United or whether Wilshire plays for Arsenal or Joe Hart plays for Man City. Fact is if a player in my opinion is not cutting it in an England shirt he shouldn't be there. I'm an Arsenal supporter and I would be the first to admit that one of our players was pretty poor if he played like Rooney does for England. I'm not having a dig at you or Man Utd. But sometimes you have got to hold your hands up and admit that one of your own is pretty shocking in Internationals and Rooney has been just that. Why in the World would I be saying it if he wasn't. Sod's Law he might pull himself together after these posts but I'd be surprised. But anyway let's agree to disagree.

1.) 12 Jun 2014
12 Jun 2014 09:38:14
If you wish to ignore all the goals he has scored in qualifying and only count his World Cup performances then yes he has been poor.

I don't think it's fair to say he is shocking in Internationals - Top scorer in qualifying can't be shocking. Perhaps he isn't performing to the standards you are setting but perhaps you need to lower that bar?

Regardless it seems you and I aren't going to agree on this! Fingers crossed we have a good world cup and Rooney wins the golden boot ;)

2.) 12 Jun 2014
12 Jun 2014 13:15:26
I come over hear for a little look every now and again, and I'm sorry but if Rooney had cemented the position he's had pretty much to himself since 06 then we wouldn't even be having this debate.
I doubt it's down to Rooney, but whether it's tactics or not being used to the players I don't know, but IMO Rooney gets a big 5/10 in a England shirt.
I also think it's a simple lack of options that's kept him there, until Sturridge back end of last season and this one, there's nobody who's even been slightly capable of leading the line,
Roy probably wouldn't have the balls to drop him even if he did have competition to be fair.

And he may have had the most goals during the qualifiers sure, but qualification wasn't really in doubt was it? Rooney or no Rooney chances are England were qualifying for the show.
He needs to turn it on against Italy and Uraguay, not Andorra!

3.) 12 Jun 2014
12 Jun 2014 14:08:25
We failed to qualify for Euro 2008. Don't be so naiive.

If his lack of goals at major tournament's count as a negative than his goals in qualifying count as a positive.

I agree he does need to perform well this World Cup, as do the other 10 players on the pitch that join him. Why he has to be held to a higher standard than everyone else I'll never understand.

4.) 12 Jun 2014
12 Jun 2014 15:24:09
Why he has to be held to a higher standard than everyone else I'll never understand.

I can't believe you just said that RedRosie. There in lies your problem.

So now we all know that Rooney is not the World Class messiah that United constantly make him out to be along with some clueless pundits it makes sense that we shouldn't be slating him.

He is just ordinary joe doing a pretty good job. Phew glad we finally cleared that up. :-)

5.) 12 Jun 2014
12 Jun 2014 16:25:22
This is not about United or my club allegiance, please stop trying to make it out to be. I would make the same point if he played for City or any other club.

I've tried to make clear and concise points to you all to prove that Rooney is at the very least a good footballer and you have responded with sarcasm, conjecture and condescension based on your dislike of the club he plays for and your unwillingness to even slightly compromise on your blanket opinion of his ability. It is not a debate if you are going to completely ignore my points and just make yours.