26 Jan 2017 07:37:34
So is the majority of Klopps' strategy just energy and work rate? Where's the tactician that many anti-wengers craved for? How's Pep doing with his bottomless put of money?

We need to be careful what we ask for -,despite his faults, he's a pretty damn good manager who is respected in the game for how his teams play and he doesn't have the blank chequebook like a few clubs plus unlike LFC and CFC - he's playing in Europe again this season so less rest.

Not having a pop at either manager just challenging those who are desperate to rid the club of Wenger and seem to jump on every opportunity to mock him.

I am all for improvement & change but let's start with the strategy from the board as he clearly satisfies their goals

1.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 09:40:03
Good points. I still can't get my head around the Bravo/ Hart decision. I read countless articles at the beginning of the season about Pep's genius in regard to this. Conte looks like the real deal though.

2.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 09:50:26
Very good post. Pep for me looks out of his depth. Klopp for me just isn't at the same level arsene is. We need to be very careful what we wish for. But that being said improvement is a must. Hopefully we can get that with wenger

3.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 10:02:44
I am really not looking forward to the rebuilding process to start when Wenger leaves. That period where the new manager is not getting the results and claims it's all a work in progress. Maybe we'll end up stronger for it, but at the same time it could just be a few seasons of bad results and impatient fans screaming for yet a new manager until we end up like that red team after Fergie left.

4.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 12:20:31
Well put and quite right. Although at some point, maybe sooner than some of us would like, Wenger will take a well earned rest. When that happens, I hope we don't go for the flavour of the month, but someone with a soupçon of insight and solid ability, who wants to play the way we like. Eddie Howe perhaps.

5.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 12:28:04
Out of depth, be careful what you wish for, not up to wengers standard didn't klopp go further than wenger in the reserve efl mug plate thingy . What a load of tripe. Out of the present top six managers, how many have won a top league in the last 10 years, how many have won a champs league in the last
10years. There is one notable absentee, the one out of his depth.

6.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 12:44:02
Not that i'm bothered but when was the last time wenger won the efl mug, remind me sy.

7.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 13:04:14
The EFL mug is hardly the hallmark of a quality manager

8.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 13:39:01
Tpg, that's the point, when has that comp ever been a yard stick for comparing managers and abilities and wenger can't win it anyway, some rediculous starements.

9.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 13:56:57
Arsene is not exactly winning anything so I do not know how a new manager could do much worse. Double of nothing is still nothing.

10.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 14:08:51
2 FA Cups?

Agreed Conte looks great - what about the national German manager? I would have liked Hidink (spelling) also. Nice football and good pedigree .

11.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 15:13:25
Pep for me is our of his depth. How many teams have you seen him build into something special. Zero. He's trying to do what he did with Barcelona and Bayern. Quality passing and attacking football which he hasn't got the players for. Arsene certainly isn't out of his depth. I think I'm leaning towards a fresh change. It might help. However regardless we really are very lucky to have him as our manager. Many big clubs would want him

12.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 15:26:44
I've always liked Wenger and still do but we reached a point when financial restrictions were lifted and it was muted from within the club that we could compete with some of the big boys, aside that most of us with an ounce of sense knew that wasn't quite the case.

Others with better wage structures and the likes of Barcelona and Madrid would always be a bigger attraction for players.

So having turned that corner I wanted to see if Wenger still had what it took to win something bigger than the FA Cup and at this time I feel hugely disappointed in him. No one can argue that last season was a golden opportunity to win the league. There is no other way to look at it other than he failed.

He has this season, allegedly his last, to prove different to a growing number of disappointed fans of which I'm one.

I want him to succeed and whilst we are still in the mix I remain sceptical that he is still the manager he once was. We have a team on paper that could and should win this league but I think a lot of us are just hoping Wenger can get them to do it rather than really believing he can.

13.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 17:11:09
Its quite funny reading some of these comments be very careful what you wish for

{Ed025's Note - i buy into that mate..

14.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 18:05:51
D16 go and have alook what state Barcelona was in when he took over, the lowest they had been for years, getting slated by fans and media. The next season after he took over, they won the league, cup, champs league and world club championship. Talk sense please.

15.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 18:07:26
Agreed stoner, good post.

16.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 18:16:42
Steve just because my view is different to yours doesn't mean I'm not talking sense. When he took over they had Valdez, puyol, xavi, iniesta, eto, Ronaldinho, Henry, messi, deco, toure. So the team was already there. That's just on the top of my head. Honestly such a pig headed reply telling people to talk sense just because their opinion is different 😂

17.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 18:51:24
D your view is wrong. You may not like pep or his wife or his dog but to say he is a poor manager and has never built a decent team or achieved very little is wrong. He has been in the prem for a few months and you are judging him on a few games, wengers spent the last few years failing and making mistakes, yet pep has been in this league a short while. He may fail and fall flat on his face and not win a single thing. But to call him out of his depth and say he's poor is "wrong" you don't win what he's won if you are poor and he's got a good few years to go yet to get even more. I would think he will win more over the next 20 years than our guy, he's got a few left. What had wenger won at his age. I think pep has made some awful calls so far but he's just starting out in this league and it isn't "his " team yet. I hope he fails and we take advantage. But I won't hold my breath.

{Ed025's Note - you can have a good try though steve..please...lol

18.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 19:27:14
Right thing is there Steve I believe he is out of his depth because the style of football he plays won't suit the prem. you're trying to make me sound an idiot when you're putting words in my mouth. I never said he was poor. He isn't. And I never said he has achieved little. I just believe the teams he has been at already had the quality to be the best. City for me don't. And I don't see him adding what's needed. I could be wrong. Lastly saying about him winning more than arsene I'm pretty sure if arsene left us in 2006 or other years he'd be offered he'd have a much bigger trophy cabinet let's be honest

19.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 19:25:42
Ed I tried once to hold my breath as a bit of fun until we won the champs league. I had to give up after three days, I got hungry.

{Ed025's Note - love it steve..

20.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 20:19:31
Rue we can do way worse. How about finishing below Spurs for about a decade (rather not deal with Raver even with all his charms, if you don't mind) . And how about missing Champions league every year and how about not being able to recruit players because we don't have Wenger. Have you seen any of Kroenke's other teams, Hockey - Avalanche worst team in the league, NFL - Rams worst team in 2 decades, NBA - Nuggets, laughing stock haven't been in the playoffs in years.

We have the worst owner in pro- sports and Wenger is single handedly keeping us afloat - watch what happens when he is gone sic!

21.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 21:30:44
Steve - you are right. Barcelona finished 3rd but the seasons before were 2nd and 1st. The team did however consist of some pretty good players. He didn't necessarily build the side but he did something good but the seasons before last weren't exactly disastrous. They also won the Champ league a few years before and reached semi final the year before Pep.

22.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 22:11:17
Red - I think the board has a lot to answer for. Not sure anyone could have done much better. Don't know if that's everyone's beef or if he's capable of winning it again or if the club is capable given the shift in money / power

I think and hope he can do it - concerned though that the club doesn't have the financial clout to eriously compete year after year on the big stage

23.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 22:24:41
It's a pointless topic. I think we can all agree unless we're insane that Wenger can't leave until a suitable appointment is available! And that suitable appointment has to be in the style of a man who is a current tittle winner!

If that man isn't available then we stick with Wenger until someone of pedigree is! Imagine how stupid we would look if we are daft enough to appoint someone like David moyes lol.

24.) 27 Jan 2017
27 Jan 2017 04:44:05
Whilst I've enjoyed mocking Wenger and Arsenal fans over the years for your 4th place trophy, I have to admit that I respect him for having kept Arsenal in the CL on a shoestring budget.
These last 3-4 years that you've financially been able to compete again he's made some good 'marquee' acquisitions but I believe the mentality that has developed in the intervening years has been what's hindered Arsenal from truly challenging. In order for that to be remedied a new perspective is vital.
Wenger has become accustomed to hanging onto players that should have been moved on and shoehorning players into unfavourable positions in order to make due with the players at his disposal.
What Arsenal need is a new manager to come in and offload 5-6 players and inject a new impetus and drive into the team. As a non-Arsenal fan, I'd go all out to get Sampoali or failing that Allegri to replace Wenger at the end of the season. Continuing on, with Wenger adding a couple of new players a season, unfortunately won't be catalyst to winning the PL or CL that most Arsenal fans seem to crave.

25.) 27 Jan 2017
27 Jan 2017 08:47:33
I remember when it was the CL we were craving now it's back to the PL we're craving . Seems so long ago! Oh wait it was lol

26.) 27 Jan 2017
27 Jan 2017 10:28:50
The manager I want is simone I think his style is built for the prem and he has done wonders at a Madrid sign him up I be over the moon that's the only guy for me to replace Wenger

27.) 27 Jan 2017
27 Jan 2017 11:36:35
If we get Simeone I'll be highly disappointed. The man tried an attacking style this season and it went horribly wrong so he quickly changed it back to his ultra defensive, no possession style that worked. Those things do not tie in with the Arsenal way of playing we've all become fond of.

I get the desire for success but there are other managers out there who could provide it whilst not sacrificing everything that's good about our club.

Leanardo Jardim at Monaco. Gives youth a chance and plays attacking football.
Van Bronckhorst at Feyenoord. Ties to the club, plays a style that is reasonably similar to ours.
Jorge Sampaoli. Great attacking football. Track record of winning competitions.

28.) 27 Jan 2017
27 Jan 2017 13:45:14
simeone would be a terrible choice atletico are going backwards