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17 May 2016 14:35:30
Hi Eds

Is anyone able to enlighten me with regards to transfer fees and costs etc. As an example, Xhaka's price is being quoted around 33 million (approx) Is that price purely the price of the player, and then agent fees etc are added later? Or does that price include all necessary add-ons? i'm curious as Wenger apparently stated Kroenke will provide appropriate funding this summer, and would be helpful to have an idea how player prices work so we can try and be objective with Wenger and board.

Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - As football fans it is best you avoid any thoughts about the finances as it tends to confuse everyone. However, it might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £45M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.

1.) 17 May 2016 17:44:12
Hey Ed002, What happens if the player is sold and there were some promises made to previous club in add-ons like some appearances or some awards won by that player. What happens to those add-ons?

{Ed002's Note - Sorry - I really have no interest in entering in to any discussion on the page.}

2.) 17 May 2016 21:48:02
And to answer the initial question I think a lot of the transfer fees you heard don't account for the additional costs. Good example is buying you house you have the house price ( transfer fee) but it doesn't take into account moving cost, solicitors fees, estate agents fees, Mrs wanting new sofas ect ect.

3.) 18 May 2016 00:37:19
I seriously judt don't get it why fans want to get stuck in all the transfer fees and cost and so on, there is a price for every player and we have the money to spend it, end of. I personally do not care. we pay to watch matches, at the stadium and on tv and I don't think any club will be asking how much in fees we pay.

4.) 18 May 2016 00:07:57
Thanks Ed002, very informative.

Good comparison Dandan.

5.) 18 May 2016 14:53:11
Hi Ed,

Superb explanation. It also puts into context why a transfer takes so long.

For all of those payments / actions I imagine there are numerous forms to fill well after an amount has been agreed.


{Ed002's Note - Yes there is a form or two.}

6.) 19 May 2016 08:46:40
Thanks for the above Ed - much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Lefty.}




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31 Aug 2017 14:18:50
Must say i'm genuinely gutted the Ox has left. He might not have the greatest end product and his stats over the past 6 years do not suggest 'world class', but I have no doubt he will continue to get better and his ability to run with he ball brings genuine excitement. It doesn't always work, but he is willing to gamble and take risks to beat his man. I agree there is no point keeping an un-happy player, but the Ox was someone I could see staying for much longer than he has. All the best to him.


1.) 31 Aug 2017 15:02:29
Lefty, you'll be in a minority. I'm surprised Arsenal didn't pick up the Uber tab to get him to Liverpool.



17 Aug 2017 08:19:39
I find it laughable reading media statements and some things on here regarding Wenger and his stance on Sanchez, Ozil and Ox. For as long as I can remember, fan and media outcry has been for Wenger to "Spend some money". His reluctance to do so was perceived as a lack of ambition, or a desire to run the club as a business as opposed to a sporting team eligible of competing at the very top.

Fast forward to today, he is making statements to suggest he would rather keep all 3 and risk them leaving on a free in 12 months, valuing their contribution on the pitch over potential financial gains. In my mind, he is basically spending (or losing) 100 million with this tactic, and all I want to do is applaud my manager. As a fan, money does not interest me, I would not be applauding him for earning 50mil for Sanchez. He is finally doing what all fans have wanted him to do for years, focus on the football as opposed to the bottom line. And he is basically ridiculed for this, being highlighted as a fool for losing such money. More so by the media obviously, but I find it ridiculous.

I am very excited for the season ahead, and will not hold an ounce of fear in my mind about losing money at the end of the season. Instead, I will enjoy watching my team, inclusive of the aforementioned trio, and hopefully have some memories to last forever.

Peace Out handsome Goons.


1.) 17 Aug 2017 09:09:19
Is this what you truely believe Lefty?
I say good on you if so.
But I for one won't be subscribing and writing Arsene Wenger any love letters based on what I've observed going as far back as the Ashley Cole departure and right up to the present day failings to convince a top player like Alexis Sanchez that we are a club who can match his determination to acheive without having to point out a signature on a contract that reminds him he legally is still ours for another 11 months.
I respectively doubt you were against him selling Van Persie for 24m in similar circumstances when he left. You probably thought it was shrewd under selling our best player in his prime to a rival we were already lagging behind whilst we actually had a weaker squad then than the one we will inevitably have in a few days when one of, if not ALL THREE of Sanchez, Ozil and Ox depart leaving you with the likes of Walcott and the unsellables on astronomical obscene wages for what they contribute.
Oh and if we do keep them do you expect to see lung busting displays towards the seasons run-in whereby their agent will be telling them to not risk potential injury that could scupper and big move and pay day. and this is assuming they have the integrity not to sulk as soon as september.
Expect a transfer request from Sanchez next week.

2.) 17 Aug 2017 09:21:22
Lefty - I fear that it's a negotiating tactic of Wenger's, as I can't believe he will let all three players walk for nothing next season. My gut feeling is that Ozil will sign a short extension of a couple of seasons or so on huge wages. Whilst Ox and Sanchez could be sold. I pray I'm wrong.

3.) 17 Aug 2017 09:37:15
I see your point and I'm absolutely sure you wouldn't mind if Jose allowed Pogba De Gea and Matta to all have 1 more reluctant season at Utd then leave with for free simply because utd would come up with the cash for equal or better replacements regardless of the cost and Jose wouldn't hesitate to spend Uniteds money on bringing in those equal or better replacements.
Unfortunately it's impossible to compare United and Arsenal or Jose and Arsene.

4.) 17 Aug 2017 09:53:29
Here we go start of the season 1 game 1 win and the mental rot has set in amongst the fair weather gooners I see. Can't wait for all the mongos to start flying banners again or moan when we let a goal in a 3-1 win or call Wenger stupid for making his sub in 71st min instead of the 53rd min as the arm chair managers were screaming for. I can cope with the moaning after it goes wrong but all this is frankly laughable. Il reserve judgement on Wengers behaviour over the contract 'rebels' until the window has shut and we see where they end up. I for one agree that they should stay and work their contracts.

5.) 17 Aug 2017 10:40:23
Mental rot?
I don't see any denigrating personal references, any unfounded negativity or otherwise counter productive content in anything that's been said here. If you want to ignore a recent history based on a board and managers pre ordained idealism then by all means, continue down your road.
If you are uninterested in critical, objective thinking based on a retrospective analysis of the recent history, say last ten years, of how this club and Arsene Wenger has conducted itself both on and off the field but would rather look ahead blindly to 'the next game' or 'the coming season'in a manner befitting that of an ostrich sticking his head in the sand while his environment around him is evolving, then it is basically redundant debating the point with or expecting any less fron you.
There are two people we are told to unequivocally not question. When they rear us we are then free to question everything once its done with reference and respect. Even the most bullish of employers is not closed off to this aspect of life as it us xounter productive and kills initiative to be otherwise inclined. You won't be surprised to hear Arsene Wenger ain't my daddy and I pay good money to travel to watch my team and intend to do it after this good man has moved on in his life, and ill have my say and if you want to debate it properly we can go back through any amount of the many questionable decisions this club has undertaken on many occasions.
I say club because we never know whether its wenger or the board who make these calls and that's aswel how they want it, no one party to be held accountable.
This is why fans go mad at blind short term thinking because it stunts us long term. Can you understand this?

6.) 17 Aug 2017 10:44:09
Hahahhah. and work for their contracts? Do you mean like Theo and co who we can't give away now because of their salaries?
I could refer you back to anything youd like.

7.) 17 Aug 2017 11:07:10
The thing is untied have addressed many of thier weaknesses and are looking to add Gareth Bale while we haven't and are looking to add?
Who can question uniteds and Jose desire to be all they can be while most Arsenal fans are pinning all thier hopes on Xhaka coming good.
Some Arsenal fans are desperate to see our club and manager be as desperate as us to be all we could be again but I do admit most are happy to continue as we are.
I want an ambitious Arsenal with an ambitious manager and I want those ambitions to have premier challenging at the very heart of them but I accept that isn't the case simply because there isn't the strength of feeling from club manager or even the majority of the fans to make it happen.
Things are what they are and I accept that but I don't agree with it.

8.) 17 Aug 2017 11:31:49
I'd prefer to look to the future and except that Wenger is here for two more years instead of moaning about things that have been moaned about time and time again. Read your post and look back over the past two years and the exact same posts has been done. It's been done to death your not adding a new topic or a different angle just mulling over same thing . It's called ruminating and it's not productive.

9.) 17 Aug 2017 11:52:04
Manchester Utd are a serious threat this year gunner. Mourinho is hungry.
City are an obvious threat and Guirdiola will be also determined to prove himself.
Conte is losing his mind after one defeat already and will look to reinforce and defend their title with what is a serious defense.
Klopp has Liverpool pressing well and looking like theyl score bundles but they are as error prone and as naive as us defensively for its a shoot out between us and them for 4th along with a spurs team that if it were to lose Dembele, Kane or Alli would be in serious bother and there's a reason why Walker left and Rose wants a move. They peaked last year.
Lacazette will bang them in for us but we don't have the resolve to go 38 games and come out on top. Measure the hunger and desire, the energy and enthusiasm of our rival managers against our own and don't try tell me its not important and doesn't translate onto the pitch.

10.) 17 Aug 2017 12:08:48
Of course you have a very good point and if that was purely my line of thinking I would be embittered to the point of wanting to be proven right at the expense of the manager and my team.
However its not the case here. I am looking to the future. But I have to evaluate logically all the components that are dependant on certain realities coming to fruition. All the same mechanisms and key personnel that have conducted the clubs affairs in the recent past are still in place and have been in place long enough now to be judged based on what their goals and ideals are, so how do you expect anything different at this point? Especially from a man who evades responsibility and the tough questions that must be answered in his role, a rile he himself is paid very handsomely for don't forget.
Im all for optimism but surely it needs a basis or rationale behind it and in our case at this time of the season we are all asked for blind faith based on the premise that our players will have evolved over the summer and that circumstances relative to injuries, refs decisions and unfortunate cup draws won't conspire against us while the 5 teams that finish ahead of us with hungrier, fresh innovative thinking managers are strenghtening even still. How do you reconcile this?
As I've said you are correct and some ways of thinking and agendas have been done to death, not least Arsene Wengers methods and they should bear up to this same scrutiny youv pointed out, if you really want to talk about ruminating and a lack of productivity.

11.) 17 Aug 2017 12:54:53
I don't think there should be any planes or demonstrations this coming season no matter what, change was in very much on the agenda last and the majority of Arsenal fans decided they were happy to continue as we are, I wasn't one of them but I do accept the will of the majority so for the next two seasons I accept Arsene is our manager and we will likely carry on as a club as always under his leadership.
I hoped and still hope he would come good but there is very little sign of that happening as yet, am I suprised? Not at all it's exactly what I expected and why I wanted change in the first place but I am disappointed because I like Arsene Wenger the man very much and would really like to see him come out on top but I would also like to see England win a world cup and a team from the 9th tier of the football pyramid win the FA cup but as much as i'd like to see Arsenal win the premier league (or even get within 5pts of doing so would be nice) England win the 2018 world cup and Wisbech town FC lift the 2018 FA cup after beating Manchester united 8 0 at Wembley none of them are really going to happen.
I rate England and Arsenals chances top place glory in 2018 as pretty well matched the Wisbech ting? Now that could actually happen :-)

12.) 17 Aug 2017 15:08:42
Is there a yawn emoji I can't seem to find it?

13.) 17 Aug 2017 15:50:18
After you by all means Sanogo.

14.) 17 Aug 2017 15:53:11
Along with a decent intelligent reply.

15.) 17 Aug 2017 16:04:09
My pleasure 62 😘.



15 Mar 2016 10:59:24
Im just as mad, angry and upset as the rest on here with this season, but let's put things into perspective a bit. I keep reading that this is Arsenal's year. United, City and Chelsea all having an off season should have meant Arsenal walk the title. I agree to some level, but can't the same be said of Arsenal? Surely they are also having an 'off season'. Could this be considered City's year, with United, Chelsea and Arsenal all struggling? And likewise United's year due to the aforementioned all struggling? For some reason the failings of the other apparent 'big teams' seems to be accepted in general, but Arsenal are ripped apart by all for not capitalising when they are also struggling. Talk about pressure and a no-win situation. This has not been a good season, it has had good moments, but all the big boys are finding it equally as challenging. let's get behind this team and push them all the way. No matter what, I love my club!


1.) 15 Mar 2016 11:47:25
Lefty mate.
How many years now have we been hearing the same old story.
"This is Arsenals year now"
Year after year after year after year.
Why are they getting ripped apart?
I suppose one of the main reasons is that nearly every year we have had money to spend and done virtually nothing with it. If we were actually winning the Premier League and getting somewhere in the Champions League you could argue that we at least spent some money in achieving something or at least trying to. Its coming to something when Arsenal fans are actually looking forward to watching Leicester City play and missing Arsenals game on Sunday because they would rather be up the sunday carvery for a roast with the family.
Hands up to that one!
Watching Arsenal for me was the start of many rows at home now my wife thinks I've been reborn.

2.) 15 Mar 2016 11:56:36
By the way!
I won't be rushing to watch the Barcelona game neither.

3.) 15 Mar 2016 13:00:05
Lefty all the other teams in the last few years have actually won the league, champs league, yes they are having a bad season, a bad season. We are having another bad season. All of the said teams have sacked managers for not performing, but in the last few years they actually managed to win the league. The year they all decided to melt down, we do as well, will our manager pay for it? .

4.) 15 Mar 2016 13:36:32
I will answer your post with logic. Wenger has failed miserably in his judgementcin the last ten years constantly putting his faith in players who for varying reasons have let him down, diaby, rosicky, wilshire, walcott, arteta, shezny, chamberlain, flamini, gibbs, ramsay, kallstrom, ebuoe, gallas, mertasacker, santos, sylvestre, debauchery, djurou, senderos, park, inamoto and the list goes on. All of these players have either not been available year after year, embassingly poor or just embarrassing and wengers judgement of their situations is just plain poor. His failure, in the past few seasons and this one in particular to buy the player or players to actually win us the league and I mean glaringly obvious ones is just poor judgement.

5.) 15 Mar 2016 13:49:12
Steve, can't believe you forgot Bendtner 😏.

6.) 15 Mar 2016 13:58:31
Dags my fingers were aching, he was in the and the list goes on catagory.

7.) 15 Mar 2016 15:53:14
Steve, Junichi Inamoto?
Good memory mate, wouldn't have remembered him if I posted :-)

8.) 15 Mar 2016 18:25:59
Came here as our own japenese super star and left by the trap door into the failures skip.



29 Feb 2016 10:28:33
Like everyone, I lost my s*it yesterday. I felt dumbfounded that we lost, with all respect, to a weakened terrible United side. It puts this current team in perspective when realising that During the three home games before Barcelona, we attempted 70 shots and scored just two goals! I love this team. I think it has the potential to be incredible, just with the same old cliches "1-2 class players away". If we get that clinical finisher to put away the chances we create, the pressure would come off Sanchez, Ozil's assist stats would be insane, and the whole team would be uplifted. i'm firmly believe that this is our biggest concern. Our GK is sorted, defence is fine, midfield coming on nicely, just get that striker in! Games like yesterday, and even against Barcelona would be handled so much better if we scored form the chances created!


1.) 29 Feb 2016 10:46:38
Good post.

2.) 29 Feb 2016 12:28:33
Surely lefty you realised yesterday we aren't only 2 players away. Even if before you did.

3.) 29 Feb 2016 13:12:24
What's fine about the defence!

{Ed001's Note - Cech has a nice helmet and Per is outstandingly tall. Erm. Yeah that could be it.}

4.) 29 Feb 2016 13:29:21
Yesterday, bellarin was poor, is he fast, then he should show it. Gab was all over the shop, kos was everywhere except where he should have been and monreal looked out of his depth again. First of all they need to play as a unit and then we can decide if they are all right or not. Personally the defence cech apart does not convince me at all as a stand alone defence.

5.) 29 Feb 2016 15:48:50
Steve, for me its not necessarily being 1 or 2 (or more) players away, its how many leaders maybe as little as 1 Tony Adams (or oddly Roy Keane) - would fill this talented bunch with the heart they need. Not even getting that from the boss which is really off-putting!



26 Feb 2016 08:36:52
Reading news of Pires' retirmement got me thinking. Is Sanchez better than him during his pomp? During the Barcelona game it felt like Sanchez was carrying most of, if not all of the pressure to lead the team to glory. All eyes looked to him to 'make something happen'. I liken Sanchez to Pires, but cannot remember him facing the same pressure? Maybe that's because Henry shared this pressure, which adds to the many, many points fans are making with their desire for a world class centre forward once again. Sanchez cannot do it all alone, just like Pires was never expected to, Henry was never expected to etc. If we get that worldy up top, this team is going to fly! don't get me wrong, i'm a massive Giroud fan, but when I think of Pires and Henry linking up and destroying, Sanchez and Giroud don't have the same effect.


1.) 26 Feb 2016 10:18:53
Sanchez is a lot better than pires, yes pires was a top player but look at the players he was playing with henry, viera, bergkamp etc plus one the best French squad ever. Sanchez has had to carry this average arsenal team on his own many times and pires never had to do that with the class squad he played with.

2.) 26 Feb 2016 14:54:19
Dont forget we were also well balanced back in those days with pires on the left and Freddie on the right. Being able to attach down both wings is something i think we really need now as it will help take some pressure off Sanchez.

3.) 26 Feb 2016 14:49:47
Sanchez is better i'd have pires in a heart beat tho right now. play them both.

4.) 26 Feb 2016 18:02:01
I love sanchez he has loads of ability but pirez delivered the goods more often and was more reliable. Love them both though and sanchez is one of those players who gives his all.

5.) 26 Feb 2016 18:27:15
Two great wingers, although fairly different. People always underestimate how many goals Pires used to get from the left though, he wasn't that far behind Henry in terms of goals during the invincible season i'm sure.

6.) 26 Feb 2016 22:48:55
Pires over Sanchez every day - better ball retention, goals and chances created.

7.) 27 Feb 2016 09:15:05
Pires - huge fan - but still he had the advantage of Henry taking all the attention. And Lundberg etc just seemed we had a lot more options then.




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12 Dec 2017 14:41:47
I would actually like Fellaini in the midfield. Never really considered him before, but a bit of size and aggression is just what we need. With some consistent game time he was becoming influential at United. He would likely get the same with us. i'm game.




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09 May 2017 08:36:12
Ed002 - I just want to say your insight is incredible, and always interesting to read. I, like a lot of fans, believe the solutions to our clubs player problems to be as simple as playing fifa and forget how difficult it must be in reality. Reading your posts always puts things into perspective. Really appreciated as it makes this website brilliant.



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19 Apr 2017 14:53:44
It is so refreshing to read that Arsenal 'doubled' another team's offer. I have no idea if this left back is any good, but seeing us outbid another team shows some ambition I guess.




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01 Jul 2016 11:30:49
You have some impressive knowledge ed002. Great to have such insight.




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19 May 2016 08:46:40
Thanks for the above Ed - much appreciated.


{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Lefty.}




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18 Jan 2018 15:08:18
I think yes. I can see Ozil and Miki having as great understanding and moving the ball quickly and incisively. With Auba and Lacazaette probing in front of those 2 sounds exciting to me. Of course none of this matters as the defense and CDM will still part the seas and let anyone through to score.




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19 Apr 2017 15:04:07
Nailed in Stoner. Buying players doesn't always fill the holes. These players are all internationals. Heck, I remember some coach saying Xhaka was the best player to come through Switzerland in years. The players are not the problem, the way they are playing is the problem. Confidence plays its part, and that is developed throughout the club as well as on the pitch, but training and direction is for me the most important. I genuinely think this team is good, the 'structure' above them however, geez!




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19 Apr 2017 14:58:43
I still think the biggest issue is the ambition of the club. Correct me if i'm wrong, as I read this elsewhere, but apparently Arsenal players are due to lose out on their bonus' for not reaching the top 4 this year (should that happen) . Comparing that to Chelsea, apparently their bonus targets are primarily built around winning trophies. No trophy = no bonus.

Chelsea players, no trophy = no bonus
Arsenal players, no top 4 = no bonus

If this is true, it tells me everything about the ambition and direction of this once great club.


{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of the detail of the contracts of the players for either club and this simply sounds like speculation.}



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18 Apr 2017 08:35:33
Had to laugh in the last 10 minutes when Sanchez held the ball, waved his arms at the team to 'calm down' and maintain possession, only to immediately lose the ball himself and have to sprint 50 yards back towards goal! I loved seeing a new system last night, but that proper made me chuckle.




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28 Mar 2017 07:41:36
Here Here 14. Ill admit I've been a doom-monger lately, looking with gazing eyes at the way other clubs are run. I don't 'expect' us to win anything, but I definitely think our team is good enough to at least compete, and that is what hurts me. However, you encouraged me to think about my childhood and what I LOVED about my team. It definitely wasn't George Graham! I loved the club, and I still do.

Peace out Handsome Goons.