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19 Nov 2017 10:43:20
Wenger still worries me, why he didn't play this front line against city is anyones guess. The new real, they are not, but we beat a poor team today. If we play like this until May, maybe i'll see differently.
1.) 19 Nov 2017 13:50:55
I feel you’re not giving us enough credit. Hate to say it but spurs have a great team. Did they play poor or did we make them play poor.
2.) 19 Nov 2017 15:37:27
I started a long and boring reply then just saw D16 comment and thought I would just say dito.
3.) 19 Nov 2017 16:35:19
I think it's too easy to take away the credit on a good day by blaming a poor opponent.
Fact is Spurs are very much a top club now days and yesterday was an excellent result and performance.
4.) 19 Nov 2017 18:48:50
We played we won, we looked by far the most controlled and controlled the game pretty much. The players were focused and it was probably the best performance in the league for years. That on its own is not the problem. Its the fact we are so inconsistent and from one game tonthe next, play like two different teams.
5.) 20 Nov 2017 00:38:32
Exactly Steve. I thought we’d get a draw at best to be honest but they performed better then i believed possible. But they must push on from this. One game isn’t enough.
6.) 20 Nov 2017 05:22:10
Don't subscribe to these narratives that we only beat a team because the team plays poorly. They're lazy and only serve to feed into fan insecurities. We played Spurs off the park and restricted one of the best strikers and one of the best midfielders in the world to a half chance each.
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16 Jan 2018 10:23:59
Trying not to get excited but if we do pull off Aubameyang and Mikhitaryan (spelling) . Then Sanchez who?
27 May 2017 13:56:58
Wenger has said thr following:
"I don't mind criticism because we are in a public job, " he told BBC Sport's Football Focus before Saturday's FA Cup final against Chelsea at Wembley.
"I believe there's a difference between being criticised and being treated in a way that human beings don't deserve. "
He added: "The lack of respect from some has been a disgrace and I will never accept that. I will never forget it.
Cortesy of the BBC, to me this indicates he will leave.
If he stays i fear it will be due to a petty ideology that he is above fan criticism.
I have been a staunch fan of Wenger and still am, but this season i have come around to the fct Arsenal need fresh ideas.
Football needs proactive tactics and pressure to perform. Arsenal has none of this. I salute Wenger and always will, but his tiki taka project has failed, we need a change.
And lastly, many say some players will only stay if Wenger does. My opinion would be if we want playes such as sanchez, ozil and chamberlain to stay, we need a new influence and direction to convince them.
We already have to players to win this has been proven, we just need a modern technician to push our players for a full season and more.
Valley Gooner out, much love.
1.) 27 May 2017 15:03:03
My apologies for the spelling mistakes, had a funeral this morning so had a few strong pops.
Just another though, is anyone else torn about this match?
I want Arsenal to win and i would love that as it would put a glint of colour on our dark season.
But converesly as much as it pains me, i think if we loose it woyld be far more beneficial in the long term.
Anyone else feel like this?
2.) 27 May 2017 16:27:23
First of all: I totally agree with Wenger in what he communicates in this interview. Flying planes with banners reading "Wenger out" among other ways of protests does not reflect good on Arsenal Football Club. Not for the club, not for most supporters, not for current players and not for potential players.
As a star player, would you rather go to a club where the fans support you no mather what, even in a though spell? Or would you go to a club that fly plains with disrespectful banner above the stadium, game time, when you have a difficult season? I know what I would choose.
Dont get me wrong, I think posters in this forum are entitled to a meaning and I think all the posters here are criticising the club in the right way. The should definitly be able to criticise the club and the manager. But in a respectfull way. Specially when it comes to our most winning manager ever, and the manager that today could be the most winning manager in the (long) history of th FA cup. The manager that has taken us through hard economic times, securing top 4 spots and CL-football 20 years in a row!
If what we do is treat this man with disrespect the first (! ) year we drop out of top 4 I fear for what potential players, owners, sponsors and such would think of us.
Now finally, saying you would want us to lose the final today is something I would disagree with on many levels. First, if this is the last game of Wenger, winning is something I really think he deserves and would be a good way for him to go. Second, as a supporter I always hope Arsenal will win.
To wrap it up, I think it is positive that we criticise the cluv when critic is warrented. But I also think we could be better in voicing our support when support is deserved. If it is one person in this club I think deserves support it is Wenger. I would love nothing more than Wenger being able to redeem himself next season, winning the league, drop the mic and leave Arsenal on the highest of notes. How cool wouldn't that be?
3.) 27 May 2017 16:53:52
Boll*cks. We've supported Wenger and his reverse ways for too long. Arsenal fans were always patient with the likes of Chamakh, Gervinho and Santos. It comes a time when fans can't stand for mediocritu anymore; everyone has a breaking point.
You say Wenger took us through 'tough economic times'. If he knew we were going through that why did he take bigger and bigger contracts every year? He is among the highest paid managers in the world.
He did a great job but everything has an expiry date. We need someone who will take us to the next level and make sure we keep up with other big clubs. Wenger will always be a legend but he takes it too far, like he is a god and he is above criticism when he constantly under performs. He needs to leave now; he is past his expiry date and the smell isn't pleasant at all.
4.) 27 May 2017 18:53:19
I never said i hope we lose, as an Arsenal fan for the last 28 years i want us to win.
My point was this; if we lose today then it would give the club a kick up the arse-nal from top down and change would have to happen. Even for Kroenke as if we end up outside top 4 each year with no champions league his investment will be worthless.
Also, though i don't agree with the banners. If the board put pressure on Wenger or Wenger was proactive with tactics/ change, then i very much doubt anyone would be protesting at all.
Look at our last 5 games and today, if we had played with this passion and if the tactical change had happened at christmas, we very well may have been contending for the league.
The manager has to accept responsibility for our failings and the board has to accept responsibility for not applying pressure on the manager when things don't go right. Wenger is not Arsenal, though at the moment he is treated as though without him Arsenal will be no more. Every team wwho are in the top 4 have changed manager, changed tactics and the managers have been under pressure to win.
I could go on but i'm going to support our team.
10 Apr 2017 19:39:47
Theres been a lot of take over the last few days/ weeks of whos to blame, Wenger or the Board?
My take would be mainly the board, the reasoning for this is:
- Other successful managers have board pressure, Arsene has no pressure.
- If there's no pressure, inevitably anyone would continue with thier dream and through failiure just tweak and go again.
I think all our issue stem from these 2 points. No doubt wenger by now i think needs to leave.
But i also think that if he were to be put under pressure from board (i. e. results or your sacked, eg abramovich or the Man c owner, or man utd owner. ) Wenger would be forced to change his tactics and buy suitable personel.
After invincibles this changed, and since we have been in decline as Wenger has been allowed to go down the rabbit hole of his own dream, and now unfortunately i think its too late to come back to Kansas.
1.) 10 Apr 2017 20:36:09
I should simplify:
The board is the overall problem due to them not having a backbone.
Now it seems Wenger is the problem (and he is) due to him following his own dream. he's always been encouraged and never been told only top 4 is no good.
I believe in his mind, he has the perfect formula and he only needs to tweak it to get it to perfection.
Any man and his fog can see that nonsense, but the board refuse to pressure.
I believe this is also the reasoning for Usmanovs comments.
What do you guys think? Are you either side of the fence? Or balanced on top?
2.) 10 Apr 2017 21:59:10
Get usmanov in and rebuild.
3.) 10 Apr 2017 22:16:53
I sadly agree, everone talks of the players and Wenger. The board are just standoffish.
The club needs pressure from top to bottom, its all well and good running as a business and being profitable.
The issue is as long as we're profitable under the current structure, the further we will decline. : (
And sadly, do any of us really want to boycott shirt sales, stadium tickets etc. Maybe, but the general, non-long term, non-diehard fans won't as Wengers all they know.
4.) 10 Apr 2017 22:35:14
Valley it all does affect those things and that's the worry too.
18 Mar 2017 17:15:39
I'm no behavioral expert, but judging by wengers post match interview, he's gone.
A great man, who has done great things for our club.
But it has to be said the time is now, he's lost the fans, he's lost the players.
He's in the middle of the ocean being stalked by a great white.
I could be wrong but I'm also sure he said once if Tottenscum finish above us, he would be out of a job.
That says it all.
1.) 18 Mar 2017 17:22:56
Don't worry valley, spurs are not worried about Arsenal anymore as we are now the better team, a win tomorrow puts us 9 clear. Like the Tottenham boys sing arsene Wenger we want you to Stay lol, as I'm chilling out I might put one of my 18 rated films on, and have a guess what it's called GETTING SPANKED beep.
2.) 18 Mar 2017 17:30:41
He has lost his mojo a log time ago and a looks a beaten stressed out man. However a bit like a once great boxer that should have retired a few fights ago he is too stubborn to realise this and quit for the benefit of the club. We all know the board don't have any real guts or desire to sack him so he still has total control.
{Ed025's Note - i think arsene has been amazing ryan but i would like to see him go now, thats because i want him to leave with a bit of dignity and pride and not be hounded out or sacked by the chinless wonders who sit on the board mate..
3.) 18 Mar 2017 18:07:10
Arsene also once said that the moment the fans don't want me here anymore i will leave, I'm not sure he can bring himself to give up everything he's worked so hard for over the last 20 years.
On a personal level i feel desperately sorry for him even though i do and have found his managerial decisions to be bizarre for years and have long since thought we would never be all we could be under his leadership again i still have enormous sympathy for a decent man who just lost his way simply because he had one to answer to for far to long.
If he had been treated like all managers and been held responsible and accountable for his team's results over the years who knows things may have worked out very differently but sometimes being untouchable and answerable to absolutely no one works against you.
He has ignored everyone for years who have pointed out the obvious problems we both have had and continue to have, our soft middle because of no DM, a top keeper a natural goals scorer he's always been the last to accept these things but would he have been more ready to listen and act sooner if he if his job depended on it?
4.) 18 Mar 2017 23:06:59
Hes stayed three years too long imo and should of walked with the fa cup and headed to paris.
10 Aug 2016 09:18:59
I've always been a staunch Wenger supporter and I still think the bloke is a footballing genius but I finally think he needs to leave.
Unless he surprises me this window and signs 2-3 good quality players (cb, cf, rw (wouldn't mind seeing Gnabry there though) ) then I can easily see us finishing 6th if not lower.
If that happens I think there may be a few transfer requests come next summer.
Sad to say it but Wenger Out!
12 Jan 2018 22:01:55
How has akpom embarrassed the club ed? Just curious. Seemed to have potential early on.
{Ed002's Note - it is unimportant but a nuisance is not welcome.}
12 Aug 2017 22:10:16
we need 2 CBs before the start of next season.
1 - Mertesacker - Retiring
2 - Kos - still awesome but last season we started to see him lose pace, he's what, 31 - 33. need a replacement.
as for the op, we played a young cb and 2 lbs, any team would have struggled defensively.
10 Apr 2017 23:00:40
I think he's gone, look at the most humiliating defeat 8-2 v Man Utd. Arsene doesn't seen nervous or tetchy but tonight he didn't make excuses he seemed rattled.
He's gone!
19 Jun 2016 11:00:45
Jovetic by all accounts. I like the player but injuries hampered him in the prem. I think he'd suit our play much better than he suited man city's though.
19 Nov 2017 10:42:34
Raver, the most irritating poster but straight as a dice. Most of what he says is sadly true and you have to say he's a gentleman in defeat. I love it when we beat the spuds but sadly i think the win is papering cracks rsther than a step forward. stringfellows has lost a valued customer tonight and mr kiplings shares have hit the floor. Peace out. Ps xhaka for ballon d'or.
12 Aug 2017 21:28:32
I think we may be seeing the beginning of the Chelsea curse for managers.
Come in 1st season and its revelation, 2nd season it all goes wrong and the manager gets sacked.
Not the worst curse, but could be damaging in the long run.
on another note, I saw a few comments on the BBC live feed about conte being agitated due to the lack of spending and not strengthening the squad.
Haven't they already spent over £100m+, the football world has gone mad.
PS ed002 you mentioned previously about a breakaway league for europes top clubs. with ffp and the crazy transfers, do you think this will expidite this breakaway? and when do you think it will happen?
22 Jul 2017 02:51:29
Sanchez is pure class, but he craves being the big shot.
I personally think he has a major attitude problem, and he needs to be the centre of attention at all times.
Arsenal needs to bring in a few footballers, rather than the miniature tiki takes he seems to love.
Xhaka to have a storming season this year!
{Ed001's Note - Sanchez does no such thing mate. He does not want to be the centre of attention at all. What he wants is to win trophies, the big trophies, not the 4th place trophy. He wants to be in it to win it, not make up the numbers like Arsenal do in the Champions League. It is frustration at having a bunch of also rans around him, who don't care whether they win or lose. It is the rest that crave the attention, that is why they waste so much time on social media with their idiotic videos, trying to get themselves lots of 'followers' to tell them how great they are. Sanchez doesn't want to be told he is great, he wants to prove he is great, that is the difference.
He should be the player you built around. The winner. The driving force and the best player you have. Instead you will have Danny Bambi on ice Welbeck leading the way to midtable mediocrity, because he is a nice guy who doesn't complain about losing. People like Wilshere will be the hero because he is local, though crap, and will tell people what they want to hear.}
15 Jun 2017 16:34:40
Arsenal may have even be in advanced talks with players already "signed", we're always overly secretive with transfers.
Hopefully Arsene and the board realise they need to spend or your correct our first bad loss and the fans will be protesting again.
27 May 2017 18:53:19
I never said i hope we lose, as an Arsenal fan for the last 28 years i want us to win.
My point was this; if we lose today then it would give the club a kick up the arse-nal from top down and change would have to happen. Even for Kroenke as if we end up outside top 4 each year with no champions league his investment will be worthless.
Also, though i don't agree with the banners. If the board put pressure on Wenger or Wenger was proactive with tactics/ change, then i very much doubt anyone would be protesting at all.
Look at our last 5 games and today, if we had played with this passion and if the tactical change had happened at christmas, we very well may have been contending for the league.
The manager has to accept responsibility for our failings and the board has to accept responsibility for not applying pressure on the manager when things don't go right. Wenger is not Arsenal, though at the moment he is treated as though without him Arsenal will be no more. Every team wwho are in the top 4 have changed manager, changed tactics and the managers have been under pressure to win.
I could go on but i'm going to support our team.