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15 May 2018 23:56:39
I don't know why our fans think the arsenal job is a hot property. All the big coaches who have been linked with us, have either taken other job offers, extended their contracts or chosen to remain at their club.

We arsenal fans should be grateful to Arteta, as he is willing to take a job when everything is against him. It is a poisoned chalice, no coach wants to take it and the major reason being the board has no ambition. They are not willing to spend, hence why no top manager is interested.

It is not about history or stuff like that, it is purely down to money. You think man city got Guardiola because they have history? No. They got him because they showed him they have ambition. We could have gotten Allegri or any other top coach if we showed ambition.

I think we arsenal fans need to appreciate Arteta and cut him some slack. He took a pay cut to join us as a player and is willing to take up the job even though it is a poisoned chalice. I admire his courage. If i was in his shoes i wouldn't have taken that job because there is a bigger chance i would fail due to an unambitious owner. His career could end before it even gets started. He really has his back against the wall and i hope he succeeds for his sake and our sakes.

We are down to arteta because there is no one else, plain and simple. Every top coach is out of the running. Nobody wants us and that is not Arteta's fault. It is the fault of the board and the owner. I think the fans should be mad at them instead.

punani gooner

1.) 16 May 2018 06:48:04
Punani - I have nothing against Arteta and will support him if given the role but I have reservations:

1. We have a big defensive and mentality rebuild project
2. Arteta has limited experience as a manager but talks a good game about management but a lot about attacking play rather than defence
3. Limited experience handling players like Ozil, PEA, Rambo etc
4. Limited success as a player at an international level or club level. Combined with Management experience is not a great mix
5. Limited pool of managers due to budget and set up - have we limited ourselves to Arteta by our ambition and fears of another monopoly of power situation. Well a full dilution doesn’t work either
6. Will Arteta stand up to the board and what back room staff will he bring to help him or does that need to bed in also.

{Ed025's Note - all good points SY, its a massive job for a rookie to take on and i can see it all ending in tears myself...but who knows mate..


2.) 16 May 2018 07:49:04
If Arteta gets the job and it all starts going horrible wrong, I’d expect a horrific atmosphere at the emerites and potentially a lot worse than the last few seasons have been. Fans were torn before 50/ 50, some over looking poor results, instead respecting Wengers legacy and the hardship he put into transforming this club. This time round it will all be united aimed a one person. Kronke.


3.) 16 May 2018 08:34:52
IF and it's Still a big if Artetta gets the job then my concern is he trys to get current Arsenal players to play Pep style football.
Lots of top footballers struggle as managers with lower league teams simply because they try to get them to do stuff like premier league players forgetting if they were capable of that they would actually be premier league players.
It's no good trying to paint fine lines needed for a masterpiece of art with a 3 inch paint brush you've got to adapt your picture according to the materials you have available.


4.) 16 May 2018 08:51:34
Another point that should be mentioned. Why would Arteta want to leave the best team in the league working under arguably the best manager in the world (because of money) ? If he does take the job then fair play to him! He's risking his limelight that Pep keeps giving him to go out on manage the club that he loved to play for! I must stress that it wasn't my first choice by a long shot but there must be something there. I hope!


5.) 16 May 2018 13:42:47
The only reason why arsenal are going for arteta is because the other managers have rejected them or are not available. It has nothing to do with the bullshit gazidis said about making a 'bold' choice. A bold choice is a nagelsmann or a tedesco not an arteta.

I feel sorry for arteta. The fans are against his appointment and the board won't back him. Regardless of who comes in, that arsenal team has a long list of players who are not good enough.
1.Cech-past it
2.Bellerin-technically deficient (can't cross can't defend a speed merchant)
3. Mustafi-shocking defender. How many times have you seen him fall on his arse?
4.Koscienly-literally his Achilles has become his Achilles heel
5.Xhaka-poor tackler, slow and lacks concentration
6.Ramsey-technically not good enough
7.Iwobi-They say okocha is his uncle. Seems he didn't inherit the good genes.
8.Welbeck-shocking player. How he makes into the first team i don't know.

That is 8 players who should be shipped out so we need like a whole new team. That lot we have won't even get us into the top four. Regardless of who comes in, arsenal's perennial issues will never be addressed. The biggest issue being an owner who has zero ambition.

I feel arteta can do a decent job if the fans get behind him but i am afraid regardless of who comes in, we will never win something big unless the owner spends, something i don't think will happen. We need to start a campaign to get kroenke out.


6.) 16 May 2018 14:36:23
BS! Manager at arsenal is probably the biggest job on the market. Stable finances. Solid structure. Good (under performing) team. Good backroom staff. Getting Allegri or Ancelotti is not guaranteed any success, and the board probably know it. It might be throwing money out the window and messing up a good system.

BTW, Guardiola took over Barcelona when he was 37 years after managing the Barcelona B team. Pochettino was 37 when he took over Espanyol, no experience. The fact is that we don't know much about Arteta and the type of manager he will be. The fact that Guardiola hand picked him as his assistant is a sign of quality, he is usually a picky guy.

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7.) 16 May 2018 15:47:37
Norgunner, the arsenal job is not as big as you think it is. Here is what we know so far. Look at all the managers we were linked with and what happened with them.
1.Allegri-opted to stay at juventus. They say he had issues with the transfer budget. out of the running as of now
2.Enrique (Don't rate him highly) -had issues with salary and transfer budget. out of the running as of now.
3.Tuchel-Went to PSG.
4.Nagelsmann-Arsenal were interested. He opted to stay in hoffenheim.
5.joachim lowe-extended his contract with the german national team

I may be missing a couple more but, when wenger stepped down, the candidates were suppossedly many but almost any top manager that we we linked with; has opted to either stay, take other job offers or not even take our job even though they were unemployed.

Forget about top tier coaches, second tier coaches like nagelsmann have rejected us, what does that say about the arsenal job? face it nobody wants it and it has everything to do with the board and the owner. They don't want to spend.


 

 

14 May 2018 20:39:09
How far have we fallen that no top manager is interested in us?
Allegri-not interested
Tuchel- was not interested and went to psg.
Nagelsmann-not interested
enrique-deemed our salary low

From the so called list we drew up, it seems most of the top coaches are not interested in us. we are down to arteta and viera.

punani gooner

1.) 14 May 2018 21:07:18
I wouldn't panic just yet punani. Only tuchel out of your list is definitely not interested. Most of the "info" about the others at the moment can't be trusted.


2.) 14 May 2018 21:16:37
Of that list I can understand allgeri wants to stay loyal to a club he has won multiple titles with. Tutchel i'm not sure what he had done to be classed a top manager. What do others thing. Nagelsmann not a top manager yet. Hope we get him but haven't seen him rule himself out. And Enrique like tutchel I don't see the fuss about him especially with the stupid salary he wants.


3.) 14 May 2018 21:22:26
It’s not like that punani. Someone has to fit the profile and want the job. It won’t be Vieira or Arteta I’m sure of it.


4.) 14 May 2018 23:35:31
Allegri said he was staying at juve. He did an interview after the roma game and said he was staying. so definitely not interested.

The reliable german journo, honigstein came out and said that tuchel was interested in the arsenal job last season. He was contacted this season too after he got into talks with PSG. rebuffed the arsenal offer (IMO the perfect coach for arsenal at this point in time)

About nagelsmann, i believe he is not interested because he already rejected bayern. Why would he reject bayern and choose arsenal? There is also an AST (arsenal supporters trust member) who is fairly reliable when it comes to Arsenal rumours who said that arsenal made an enquiry regarding nagelsmann and it was rebuffed. They were not even given a response. That is a bit insulting

DG, tuchel is a top top manager. Tactically very good. incredible coach. His only issue is how he relates to the board and stuff but on the pitch Thomas is a genius. off the pitch is where he has an issue. Nagelsmann is in the same mould too. What is interesting is it is tuchel who got nagelsmann into management. When tuchel was at augsburg i believe, it was nagelsmann who used to do opposition research for him. Tucehl and nagelsmann are similar. The tiny difference i have noted is that nagelsmann especially this season has his teams playing lot of long balls so i guess that makes him a bit unpredictable especially against the big teams. He is not shy to try the odd long ball.

Years ago guardiola and klopp were interested in us but we lost both chances. In my opinion i think arsenal made the wrong choice in not going all out for guardiola, a one in a generation kind of coach. Everywhere he has gone he may not have won every time but he has left a tactical footprint. Till now the guardiola effect is being felt in germany, easily the best coach of his generation. He was the coach to establish arsenal as a global force but he is gone now. He might have won the champions league or set us on the path to winning it but that is all gone now.

Shows how far we have fallen that second tier coaches like nagelsmann won't even respond to our inquiries.


 

 

14 May 2018 11:44:09
Deep down i had a feeling that allegri would not come to arsenal. I had that feeling because we have an owner with zero ambition. That has been our biggest problem. It just didn't come to light because wenger is not the kind of guy not to moan about lacking funds. He is a gentleman in that respect. He keeps things in-house.

Kroenke once did an interview i think was on the standard newspaper, it did seem incoherent to me but what i could get from that interview was that he thinks spending is not the way to go. He even went further and said he admires what.

punani gooner

1.) 14 May 2018 13:27:41
He is happy with managing the biggest club in Italian football, a team in the CL who have reached the final and semifinal fairly often in recent years. Probably worth noting that he's not going to Chelsea either, which has the definition of an invested owner.


2.) 14 May 2018 15:29:16
kroenke does not want to invest and the team needs serious investment. six to seven new players minimum that is the only way we can compete regardless of who the next manager is even though it would help if we hired someone who is ahead of his time.

i can only see us falling further and further behind. Wenger was just the symptom of a larger problem. We have addressed the symptom but not the disease;the disease being an unambitious owner and a totally incompetent board.


3.) 14 May 2018 19:16:20
This could be the most over the top reaction to someone not wanting to join us.


4.) 14 May 2018 20:49:55
I agree. If it’s true and Allegri is out of the running, it’s no coincidence big name managers with a reputation to withhold like Allergi and Enrique are No longer front runners; its because of the board upstairs and their lack of ambition and no doubt budget disagreements. Arteta and co maybe great coaches but even Pep spends 200 mil a season.


5.) 15 May 2018 02:42:27
Kroenke sanctioned a ton of spending on players in the past few seasons. We just spent 50m on a 29y/ o striker in January, not to mention picking up Xhaka and Mustafi for huge fees, Lacazette, etc.

I have a lot of issues with Kroenke's management but sanctioning spending is not one of them, not when you compare it to things like pushing contract renewals and how we actually conduct the business of transfers in and out.


 

 

23 Apr 2018 22:43:52
The daily telegraph reporting that the new Arsenal manager has been restricted to a 50 million pound transfer budget. If that is true, this is a joke. Can't see any big manager being interested in the Arsenal job.

Seems wenger has been taking a lot of bullets for this terrible board and stingy owner. This team an investment of at least 200-300 million pounds, if we don't spend how can we challenge city united and the likes?

punani gooner

1.) 24 Apr 2018 06:33:35
How about you don't believe everything you read in the media? Their job is to stir up rubbish and generate clicks. They are capitalising on our uncertainty and the typical myopic nature of a football fan. Take every football report not officially released by the club as a mixture of horse manure and guesswork.


2.) 24 Apr 2018 07:58:02
Didn't the papers say we had no money left to spend before we got aubameyang.


3.) 24 Apr 2018 10:59:53
Didn't the Telegraph also say we'd have snow last week?
I think Pete Waterman must be the head of a new press association money making task force, The Hit Factory.


4.) 24 Apr 2018 12:04:16
The telegraph is not the daily mail. They are a bit more reliable. They were the first paper to report wenger was leaving irregardless of our europa league performance so they have a bit of merit. They are not the BBC though. I find David ornstein to the most reliable journo when it comes to arsenal.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that report is true and that we only have 50 million to spend because frankly kroenke isn’t the kind of guy who invests in his team. I think the truth will come out now that wenger is gone. If the new manager is relatively unknown you can bet he will have little money to spend, if it is a big name then that means this report is not true. I don’t think coaches like Allegri or enrique will come to Arsenal without being given a big transfer budget but i have a gut feeling that this is true and that the failures of arsenal over the years had a lot to do with the owner not investing in the team than wenger being a bad manager and i think that painful truth will come out now that wenger is gone.

{Ed001's Note - every paper has been reporting Wenger would go for years now.}


5.) 24 Apr 2018 12:34:51
I find Ornstein very reliable too mate and the bbc (on football) like this page tend to stick only reporting on something when there is actually something to report on.

All papers invent stuff to get hits as there just isn't enough real news scoops to make a living out of 365 days a year.

You can google just about anything you like and someone somewhere will have already written something about it somewhere at some point.

I bet if you type Pogba Ronaldo Messi Jose Pep to Arsenal I bet there is something fairly recent somewhere from someone on that subject.


6.) 24 Apr 2018 15:38:03
Towards the end of last year, i think david ornstein said that Arenal have no money for major signings. we might have bought aubameyang, but we also sold chambaerlain, walcott, coquelin. our net spend was negative i think. So i don't doubt this story of the telegraph. I am afraid there is some veracity to that story.

Every time we spent big, we always had to sell players. We might have bought lacazette and auabmeyang, but we sold useful squad players like the ox and giroud.

The important question is, will kroenke plough in 200-300m of his own money into the club to enable us to comepete with the manchester giants? i don't think so. which really means nothing will change at the club. The only good thing is that the anger will now be directed towards the board and stan koenke rather than Arsene wenger who was their punching bag.

{Ed001's Note - you have a large cash reserve in the bank, there is no need for Kroenke to put anything in.}


7.) 24 Apr 2018 19:44:56
Ed, are you ivan gazidis by any chance? :-)

{Ed002's Note - Kroenke cannot simply pour money in to the club.}


8.) 24 Apr 2018 22:04:58
Worst owner of any top six team in the premier league. Never invested a cent, doesn't attend matches, never talks to the media. Hope he gets out of the club soon. He is nothing but a leech and a parasite.


 

 

22 Apr 2018 23:08:08
I know majority of the posters here want allegri and i for one think he won't be a bad choice but there is a reason why he isn't my favorite and tonight was one of the many games against big teams where Allegri set up to defend.

His football is too reactionary and boring. His juventus team tonight didn't even have one shot on target. Imagine ) shots on target and you are the home team.

Napoli on the other hand attacked the whole game and kept the ball well. I am not sure alegri's methods would survive in the premier league when we don't have a good squad. The only way we can win with the likes of allegri is if we spend big which i don't think we will and that is why i always preferred tuchel or nagelsmann or tedesco. Very young bright coaches who can get the best out of the squad while playing attacking football.

punani gooner

1.) 23 Apr 2018 12:55:41
Just wait and see mate, there are so many names so many possible outcomes once the managerial merry-go-round gets going who knows who will end up where by the time June gets here.
Conte will most likely lose his job but he will get another so someone somewhere will have to make way for him and then whoever does make way for Conte will take another managers job and so on it goes.
Jump in to quick and we could miss out on someone who suddenly becomes available who knows what might happen between now and June.


2.) 23 Apr 2018 16:41:57
Juve were outplayed by a young and naive Spurs team. Let's be honest. Both Allegri and Carlo are overrated with some media backing behind them.
Those who talk about experience and big clubs etc - remember Barcelona turned down Jose for an unproven Pep.
I'll take Enrique or Jadim - they have the versatility to deal with the sort of transition we need to go thru.


3.) 23 Apr 2018 18:55:10
Who ever you go for Gabo it's a gamble and absolutely no one comes with guaranteed success not Pep not Jose not Jurgen.
All you can ever do is make the best educated guess amd hope its right.


 

 

 

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21 May 2018 21:02:55
What a shocking decision. Did the Arsenal board do their home work on Unai Emery really? He is a really an underwhelming appointment.

This is a man who lost the league in his first season to jardim's monaco despite having a far superior squad. That scream'under achiever' to me.

His PSG team capitulated against real madrid and Barcelona. He is not a big game manager, lacks charisma and is an under achiever. If we wanted to go ligue 1 for a coach, i don't know why we have not considered jardim.

The cruel irony is that the coach tailor made for arsenal and who once was interested in the arsenal job, is on the PSG hot-seat, having replaced the man who is our new coach now.

I really didn't mind arteta as a coach because i am not sure about what we would get, which makes it an exciting prospect. I fear about what we will get with unai emery though because he really under achieved a lot at PSG. Lost the league in his first season to a monaco team despite having a far better squad and never even reached a champions league semi-final with all that money. What is he going to achieve at Arsenal with a tight budget?

That said, i will get behind the team but i don't see unai emery achieving much at arsenal, i fear for the worst.

punani gooner

1.) 21 May 2018 21:24:30
Im sorry punani, you speak with fork tongue mate. You personally might not want emery andxthat is your choice but don't try and pull the guy down. His achievements are tp be applauded and let's hope he can achieve thesame with us.


2.) 21 May 2018 21:38:59
Let's give the man a chance his record pre PSG was impressive.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely G62..


3.) 21 May 2018 21:50:08
i am not pulling the guy down, i am just stating my opinion of him which is not good really .

In the situation we are in, i think we really need a coach who can over-achieve, not one who under-achieved. If unai emery couldn't even reach a champions league semi-final with all that oil money, what is he going to achieve with stan kroenke's few coins?

He had a really expensively assembled squad and they under-achieved a lot in the champions league. Zidane, a rookie coach tactically outclassed him in both legs and he conceded six to barcelona despite having a 4-0 aggregate lead.

I have watched many of his games with PSG especially, i can't say much about his la liga teams as i only watched his sevilla team in the europa league, he was decent with sevilla in the europa but with PSG there was nothing special about him tactically. Infact most of the top managers who faced him, outclassed him tactically. I am not saying he is a bad cocah, he is decent but just know you are not getting a guardiola or an allegri and i think we need a coach more in the mould of a guardiola, a tactical revolutionary.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid thats exactly what you are doing punani, your highlighting the downside of everything he has done but fail to mention the good stuff, if after 20 odd games arsenal are languishing in mid table and the football is dire then by all means moan to your hearts content, but for christs sake give the guy a break and show a bit of loyalty to your club mate..


4.) 21 May 2018 21:50:29
So punani, your mate pep, dod he get it 100 % right at bayern and what about last season at citeh, what was that shambles pf a goalkeeper he bought, did he win the league in his first season. He had the best team in germany and the best team this season in the prem and possibly europe but did he win the european cup? Just get real and remember its opinion but pep is the greatest coach but boy jrs made some right stinkers. At least get your opinion equal. Has pep won the treble with the best team tjis season?


5.) 21 May 2018 21:58:20
Sorry but that sounds ridiculous. You do realise that monaco team was picked apart due to the talented players they had. Seriously its not a bad choice. It could be good or it could be bad. But let the guy get his arse groove into his seat before we start slating it.

{Ed025's Note - exactly D16..


6.) 21 May 2018 22:04:39
We wanted change, we have change. We didn't Want Arteta we didn't get Arteta, we wanted an experienced man we've got an experienced man, I'm not sure what more the club could have done apart from hiring 22 managers plus keep Arsene as well to make everyone happy Ed025 mate.
We are trying something different to what hasn't worked for us for a while now and the club are trying to change our fortune's and we should support the change we all wanted so badly even if we didn't all get 100% what we personally would have ideally wanted.

{Ed025's Note - i happen to rate the guy G62 and in a recent everton poll of who the supporters wanted as the next manager emery came top, damed if you do damed if you dont it seems to me mate..


7.) 21 May 2018 22:22:34
He's a good chioce in my opinion mate no more risky than anyone else and a lot less risky than many many others we've been linked with.
if people can put their personal feelings about the club to one side they will see the clubs done as absolutely as well as was possible to do.
Personally I am excited about next season already.

{Ed025's Note - think yourselves lucky i say G62, you could have got allardyce...or even worse mourinho mate..


8.) 21 May 2018 22:54:02
Hoe true mate, we've done a lot more than ok in my opinion.


9.) 21 May 2018 23:48:45
That Monaco team was special lads. Like Porto in 2004.


10.) 22 May 2018 14:46:36
Steve we all have our favorites. I know majority of us wanted allegri. Emery wasn't my choice but will get behind the team and sincerely hope he proves me wrong.


 

 

12 May 2018 22:06:04
Any chance nagelsmann is on the arsenal short list?

Finished third with a hoffenheim side depleted by injuries and devoid of quality compared to the other teams like dortumund, leipzig, leverkusen etc. He should be worthy of consideration in my opinion, if he is not it criminal on behalf of the board IMO.

punani gooner

1.) 13 May 2018 08:59:08
Oh no not the dreaded injury excuses! Keep him far away from us ;-)
It's a fresh start no more sad poor us tales of injuries naughty naughty stadium or the bigger boys have more money please.
Let's find a man that can not someone who explains why he can't.


 

 

08 May 2018 23:10:23
I know allegri would most likely be our coach next season, but i do have reservations about him as a coach not tactically, his style of play. I know i have been the biggest critic of wenger but i have always admired his commitment to attacking football. why would the club abandon a style it created for many years under wenger and suffer an identity crisis like manchester united?

I wouldn't mind allegri but i would prefer an attacking coach but with a modern approach like a guardiola someone like nagelsmann would be perfect. I wouldn't mind arteta too but think the job would be too early for him. My pick is nagelsmann. i feel like he is the next best thing in football. What he did with hoffenheim is extraordinary. How he transformed someone like sule into a ball playing defender is to be applauded.

That said allegri wouldn't be a bad choice. I would get behind the team and with allegri at the helm and as good as he is tactically, i think we will win something and probably go far in the champions league. He is the best in-game manager in my opinion in the whole world. How he can tweak something or make an inspired substitution is incredible. He took an ageing juventus team into to finals, i wouldn't be surprised if he won us the champions league but i only have a problem with his style. I think we can win the champions league in the next five years and win it while playing attractive football if we employ a coach like nagelsmann and give him time to build a team.

punani gooner

1.) 09 May 2018 06:49:54
Ive been meaning to ask you this for a while, but do you get much? 😉.


2.) 09 May 2018 07:40:23
Only hairy punani that wears socks with birkenstocks 😂 that was poetic I think.


3.) 09 May 2018 11:44:12
You can always trust Stoner and Sano to bring down the tone of a place.

P.S: can someone please tell me what a punani is. I tried to search for it on Google but you don't even want to know the type of results I was getting.


4.) 09 May 2018 13:11:12
It’s a small hamlet in Sri Lanka Sharpie or it could be a beautiful Hawaiian flower or it’s a word people in Indian use to describe a lady garden.

But then you didn’t have to google it to find that out, now did you Sharpie! 😉😂

Besides, it was a completely innocent question 🙄.


5.) 09 May 2018 19:28:25
A small hamlet or helmet in a Sri Lankan bush stoner 😂 I think he likes his punani to be able to eat a frankfurter through a sandal.


6.) 09 May 2018 23:08:18
sanogo mate your english is too complicated for me. Mind you english is not my first language. I only learnt english for academic purposes and to argue here of course :-)


 

 

04 May 2018 13:03:43
What a disappointing match last night. I was too angry to even post anything. Those are the most ungrateful bunch of over-paid prima donnas in football. This was the last season for a manager who fought for them, stood up for them, defended them and never criticized them in public and that is how they sent him away? Utter shame.

Bellerin can't defend and can't cross. Mustafi cannot defend. Monreal cannot cross. Ramsey was rubbish too last night as was ozil and welbeck. only wilshere, chambers and xhaka can hold their head high. The rest of the performances were terrible.

We need a massive squad clear out next season. The entire back line has to be replaced. Bellerin and mustafi to be sold. The entire midfield needs to go too apart from wilshere and xhaka. We need two proper wingers too. It is like we need a whole new team. our players are rubbish. No way we are getting back into the top four with that bunch. As a matter of priority, i'd like to fill the following positions:
1.Goalkeeper
2.right back
3.central defender
4.Defensive midfielder
5.box to box midfielder
6.right winger.
7.left winger.

I'd like to sell the following players;
1.Bellerin
2.mustafi
3.ramsey
4.iwobi
5.welbeck.

punani gooner

1.) 04 May 2018 14:05:02
XHAKA! He should be first out the door.


2.) 04 May 2018 14:27:09
Do you not think under a different Coach some of these players might come good mate?
I have long since written off Mustafi Xhaka and Iwobi but maybe even they could be better players than our disorganised undisciplined dispassionate traning and tactics have shown them to be.
If the new coach came in and got rid of the entire squad I'd back him 100% but also if he decided to give them all a season to work under him and save thier Arsenal careers I'd back him equally. Those who are as bad this time next year as they are now will be proven to be of no use to us but those who improve well maybe they just were made to look poor due to our system.
They are all Arsenes signings so what they produce is a direct reflection of Arsenes ability to spot sign motivate and develope players but maybe just maybe they have something Arsene couldn't get out of them still to offer us?


3.) 04 May 2018 15:07:37
Add Ozil. To that list.


4.) 04 May 2018 15:34:53
Sometimes gunner you can't make a silk purse out of a cows ear. Xhaka, mustaffi not mobile enough and don't think defence. Bellerin is just weak and hasn't got much to work with. Some players can be turned around but some just are not good enough.


5.) 04 May 2018 15:42:12
Steve, i would replace xhaka too but i think it will be hard replacing so many players at once so we will have to do with them for a couple of seasons and xhaka has also shown some flashes of brilliance albeit sporadically. He no longer gets into rash challenges, has reduced his red cards and is a bit young compared to the other squad members. i would keep him but not as a first choice. He would be a squad player but the rest need to be sold as soon as possible.


6.) 04 May 2018 16:09:27
Gunner mate, i think some may but most of them are terrible. Some like ozil have pure talent, there is no doubt about that so with a new manager who gives them a kick up their asses, maybe they may improve but there are many who are just simply not good enough. limited talent and limited fotballing brain.

I am talking about people like bellerin, iwobi, welbeck, ramsey, mustafi and i could even be missing a couple more, but the reality is most of them are not good enough for a top four side never mind a title winning one. So they have to be all shipped out. you can add ospina to the list too. They simply have to be gotten rid of.


7.) 04 May 2018 16:25:40
True Steve but Danny Simpson Robert Huth and Wes Morgan all prove that sometimes you can make the most unlikeliest of footballers into premier league champions and Champions league quater finalist.
I'm absolutely no fan of Mustafi and personally I would let him go on a free or even pay him to leave but that does not stop me accepting the fact there was once a reason he could command a 38 million price tag and maybe just maybe the new manager might be able to show us all.


8.) 04 May 2018 16:43:15
All the players you mentioned lacked quality for sure but they made up for it with fight, determination and application. Not something a lot of our players posses.


9.) 04 May 2018 17:06:44
I bet if they'd joined us instead of Leicester we'd class then all as lacking those the fight passion and commitment they showed in abundance for Leicester Steve mate.
I just don't think we should totally discount the effect Arsenes methods have had on all our players bar Sanchez and I think Morgan Simpson and Huth would probably gone the same way to under Arsenes coaching and organisation methods.


10.) 04 May 2018 18:19:51
Gunner mate i have to agree with steve here. No matter what manager you get in here, some players are just not good enough. Desire and determination may take you far but it really won't win titles most of the times. there are exceptions of course like in Leicesters case but they rarely happen. they are flukes. the probability of that happening is little so what you need is quality players with desire. we seem to have players who are lacking in both. Would welbeck, iwobi, xhaka, mustafi get in top six side? i don't think so.


11.) 04 May 2018 18:54:12
I agree 100% Punani in fact I don't think any of players would get in a top 5 side with the one possible exception of PEA who might.
This time next year who knows and who knows which ones might if any.
All I'm saying is I'm no longer convinced they are all as bad as they all look under Arsene and because they all look so really poor under Arsene it's a job to say who is and who isn't capable of vast improvement.
If we asked the same question this time last season how many people would have picked Ox as the player who would have by far the best 2017/ 18 season of all the 2016/ 17 Arsenal squad or that Debuchy would be runner up to Ox?
Makes you wonder! Well it does me any way.


12.) 04 May 2018 20:55:53
I don't think if xhaka had gone to leicester instead of kante or mustaffi instead pf morgan or iwobi instead of osaki, they would have won the league. They had a never say die attitude every game that season and played above their ability. I don't see many of ours doing that, or have the DNA.


13.) 04 May 2018 21:17:40
It's undeniable that Xhaka or anyone anywhere would have had the same effect as Kante Steve, I've never before in all my years of watching football seen a player like Kante who you have to keep reminding yourself there is only one of him in the pitch.
But a pre Arsenal Mustafi in place of Huth or Morgan? I'm not so sure is out of the question or pre Arsenal Lacasette for Vardy or pre Arsenal Mesut for Mahrez.


14.) 04 May 2018 21:31:53
Gunner, i still have nightmares about xhaka and kante. Kante is an unbelievable midfielder and we didn't persue him. i'm shaking now.


15.) 04 May 2018 22:12:41
I totally agree Steve we should have thrown the kitchen sink at making him ours and if we had? I'm pretty certain we wouldn't have ever been in this season's Europa league in the first place or in next seasons either plus Arsene would be seeing out his contract.
Huge mistake especially when you consider he cost just 30 million v the completely wasted 38 on Xhaka.


16.) 04 May 2018 22:32:58
Gunner mate, i do agree about your suggestion that some players may improve under a new manager partly.

I would say you can make a case for xhaka and iwobi i think but the rest i refuse to accept they can improve under a new manager.

Iwobi for instance has a big problem when it comes to his shooting and if a micro manager like a guardiola tuchel or a nagelsmann for example comes in, you can bet his shooting is very likely to improve because this kind of managers are micro managers. They work on a specific aspect of a player.

Xhaka's weakness is his concentration and tackling ability. He has exceptional long passing ability. He is technically good enough. He has stuff about him that you can work on.

guardiola for instance improved so many players, sterling for one. I don't know if you have seen a video of guardiola coaching sterling on how to position his body while receiving the ball it was interesting.

He instructs sterling to receive the ball at a degree less then ninety as if he is looking away so that as soon as he receives the ball, he knows which channel to run into. The next game sterling tries that and boom he runs into a channel and no one picks him up and he ends up scoring.

Arsenal could do with a coach like that. That is why i was always of the opinion that tuchel is the best bet for Arsenal. He would certainly improve some of the players but coaches like allegri are tacticians not micro managers and as much as they may get it right tactically, i doubt they would improve players much.

Needless to say, regardless of which coach comes in, you can certainly rule out a player like welbeck improving. He just can't improve. Doesn't have a football brain. Even if you give him to guardiola, he will amount to nothing. same with mustafi, ramsey and bellerin. They are just not good enough on a technical level.

Mustafi seems to lack even basic knowledge of defending. He goes to ground easily, makes ridiculous passes and puts himself under pressure and can't seem to mark his man properly. I can't see how that improves under a new coach. He simply isn't good enough and needs to be shipped out.

Ramsey is technically deficient. His saving grace is only his intelligent movement and goal scoring ability. Can't dribble, can't pass and can't get out of tight spaces. That is why he smashes the likes of westham but flops against the big boys. every time atletico pressed him last night he lost the ball. contrast that to wilshere who is a good dribbler and who evaded the atletico press quite a few times last night.

Bellerin on the other hand can't tackle, can't defend and is terrible going forward. ninety percent of his crosses are either over hit or go out of play. He is the most technically deficient right back i have ever watched in an arsenal shirt. we moved from lauren to eboue who as terrible as he may have been defensively, was great going forward. Then we had sagna who was good defensively and attack wise. Bellerin is the worst right back i have ever seen in an arsenal shirt.


17.) 05 May 2018 09:29:38
I not a fan of Mustafi at all Punani and for me both Iwobi and Xhaka are awful, to me none of the 3 are anywhere near good enough.
Personally I'd cash in on all 3 but because all our signings of the past 5 seasons bar Sanchez have gone downhill since joining us i am open to the idea they might not all be as bad as they appear to be but at this stage who's to say who is or isn't as bad as they have looked under Arsene?
We all have our own views but equally we can all get it wrong sometimes too, I thought Gary linker would be a one season wonder when he first appeared at Leicester and Rayes would be as good as Rooney.
Because there has been such an obvious weaknesses on the training field I'm now more open to the possibility that some of our players are capable of more than we've seen so if the next manager gave them a chance to prove themselves I'd see his point view.


18.) 05 May 2018 13:07:13
I think the new coach will decide who suits him and who doesn't can all have our opinions. Who knows welbeck might become the first choice striker, go on to win the golden boot and be in contention for the ballon d'or next year? :-D.


19.) 05 May 2018 14:53:59
It could happen mate :-) Jack could also break Frank Lampards consecutive appearance record and our defence could break the 13 goals conceeded over a season record too.
Someone somewhere wins the euro lotto every now and then and the odds on that are approximately 140 million to 1 so never say never mate:-)


 

 

03 May 2018 02:30:49
Sky sports reporting that bovac is mislintat's choice to be the head coach. sky sports does put out some rubbish at times, but they are semi-reliable. What leads credence to this story is the bit that mislintat and bovac knew each other from dortumund days.

I still doubt the story but you never know with Arsenal, anything can happen but it totally makes no sense to me. Why would the club take a risk on a 56 year old coach who never served as a head coach in a big team? Why would they do that when there are better candidates available? I am not the biggest fan of allegri but we can all agree the fanbase will unanimously get behind him not because we all like him but because of his profile, because of who he is and what he has achieved. I am not sure buvac will be afforded that oportunity. things could go south really fast.

If it was an ex player or a prodigy like a nagelsmann or a tedesco, i would understand but a 56 year old assistant coach who is introverted and who has never managed a big club is a concern to me.

What i find a bit surprising is why is misinltat involved in the selection process for a new manager? isn't he just a scout or is he trying to gain power in the club? I am not against having his input, but i think it is dangerous to have a situation where the scout has more power at the club than the coach. Scouting is not an easy job and it does require hardwork and talent but you can't compare it to coaching. There are so many good scouts in this world but not really exceptional coaches. To me, a coach is more important to a club than a coach.

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1.) 03 May 2018 05:36:18
Im not sure about this story either, i am sure its just paper talk for talk sake, it doesn't make sense.


2.) 03 May 2018 08:01:06
To be fair if any half successful manager or coach suddenly left his job right now peole would put 2 and 2 together and come up with Arsenal.
Imagine Brendan suddenly announcing today he's leaving Celtic at the end of the season or Eddie Howe Bournemouth the media would be all over it and so would most Arsenal fans who are desperate for news.
We will know a lot more once the season ends and Arsene has actually left in my opinion.


3.) 03 May 2018 08:01:33
I think this is just a story the press are wanting to force on people. As for sven tho I have no problem him assisting with choosing a manager. We just got to find someone who'll work well with himself and the director of football or whatever his title is whilst giving the players the coaching they've needed for too long.


4.) 03 May 2018 08:54:13
People have been accusing the board of knowing nothing about football for years so now they seem to be bringing in people who do to advise them which has to be a good thing surely.

It will be interesting to see who the Sven men actually sign this summer because all the rumours at the moment seem to have a German if not Dortmound connection, personally I'd like to see us sign 2 or 3 players who have no German connections in any way shape or form to dispell these one dimensional rumours that suggests such limited knowledge of the wider game.
It's a big old world out there and the wider your radar the more likely you are to spot the next Kante Salah or dare I suggest even cominal garden plain old English sensation that might just be lurking in the championship or league one.
I know names like Baggio Ronaldo and Suarez sound a lot more sexy then Brown Smith or Jones but I'm sure we'd learn to love them if they turned into a Moore Gascoigne Shearer or even a Harry Kane play alike:-)


5.) 03 May 2018 09:43:04
Bovac adds up for so many reasons:
1. He would be Gazidis's 'bold' choice.
2. Worked with Mislintat at Dortmund

3. Continues the German connection at the club, with German players, coaches or players that played in Germany.

4. A successful career as a coach and assistant manager with Klopp.

5. His recent departure for 'personal reasons' until the end of the season from Liverpool, despite their Champions League semi-final and final.

6. He would, presumably, be a cheaper option salary-wise than a top established manager.

7.He would, possibly, agree to work with a non-Champions League budget.

8. There is no obvious choice for manager.

9. He could definitely work on the defensive side of the game that has been so lacking at the club for a long time.

10. He could slot into a more 'European' set up, with the manager being more of a coach and the other duties that Wenger dominated being spread amongst other members of the backroom staff.

11. Reports that we are after German players such as Leno and Meyer, as well as other players we are reportedly chasing or players at the club whose deals we are actively extending, such as Elneny and Holding or others such as Wilshere, Ramsey, Cech and Welbeck that we are working on. This leads one to make the assumption that a manger has been chosen and is involved in these decsions. If not the new manager could be landed with players on long term new deals that he doesn't want.

Against, would be a lack of actual managerial experience and whether the players and fans would respect and accept a manager without such experience.

The other explanation is that having reportedly fallen out with Klopp, he is being employed as Assiistant Manager to a managerial appointment we have chosen. My own feelings is that there are so many reasons that he may be the chosen one and little concrete noise for any other potential manager that it makes sense.


6.) 03 May 2018 10:40:57
Stop Stop Stop with the German thing ahhhhh.
I've got nothing against German people or anyone else come to that, I love Aldi as much as the next bloke but I don't want to buy my pants socks and aftershave from them :-)
Mind you I am partial to Becks beer :-) .
Please please Please RG, tell me all about how we are short at the back and selling Gabriel was a mistake again, or what about your Arsene to PSG theories there always good! Tell me how long it's been since Spurs won the league, anything but please no more German connections this week :-)


7.) 03 May 2018 11:28:30
I don't really understand why he would be option either to be honest! Granted, he gets high praise on a coaching level and maybe that's purely what they're looking for with the new structure at the club? Plus, the Allegri's of this world want power. They want to bring all their own backroom staff and have big influences on decisions and Arsenal don't want that. Very similar to Conte at Chelsea who doesn't have a say in much apart from the team sheet!


8.) 03 May 2018 12:12:13
G62, I can of course humour you.
However:
Germans at the club: Meretsacker, Mustafi, Ozil, Lehmann and Mislintat
Non-German players that played in Germany: Xhaka, Kolasinac, Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan.
Fitness coach who worked with the German national team: Shad Forsythe
Possible new German manager: Bovac, Nagelsmann and Loew.
German cars driven by the players and staff: Porsche, BMW, Audi, Mercedes and VW

Don't mention the war.


9.) 03 May 2018 12:26:29
We are looking for a well established manager but other choices might not be bad, yes it might be risky but it might well also surprise everybody. I know mourinho isn’t everyone cup of tea but what he was before he be came a manager, wenger who knew him before he started with arsenal, Zidan was real B team coach.
Loads of top managers got the sack from top teams too.
Every great manager had a break through at some pointe.
Personally I would like an italian manager to sort our defence out. but wouldn’t mind a fresh blooded manager with ambition too.


10.) 03 May 2018 12:32:54
You won't be laughing next season RG when you go to take your seat at the emirates and find a towel on it :-)


11.) 03 May 2018 13:35:53
Don't fancy Seanino Dychino then Moe? Bloke seems to know a thing or two about defence and he like Arsene and Jose once were is looking for someone to give him his big chance somewhere.
If only he wasn't so frightfully British and all that malarkey :-)


 

 

 

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23 May 2018 00:03:00
Sanogo am still getting over guardiola to city 😩.

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23 May 2018 00:00:53
SinGooner will get behind the team. I am a fan first of all. I hope Emery proves me wrong. I'll be over the moon if we won the league or the champions league in the next 2-3 years. It is just that i have my doubts is all but for sure i'll get behind the team and support the boys.

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22 May 2018 15:06:54
Will give him a chance mate but his work at PSG was a massive under-achievement and he couldn't exert his authority. Players were dictating to him when it should have been the other way round. I have my doubts but will get behind the team. I'll be sincere it is an appointment that doesn't excite me. He is a B-list manager at best.

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22 May 2018 15:04:03
Allegri and nagelsmann both turned down Arsenal. It has been heavily reported.

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21 May 2018 21:51:40
Ed will give him a chance mate and will support the team but i am very sceptical is all.

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{Ed025's Note - lets just see how things go before we throw him to the wolves punani mate, a lot of this stuff was said when arsene was appointed and look how that turned out..


 

 

 

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23 May 2018 22:30:46
Was impressed with his effort in trying to speak in English.

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22 May 2018 23:55:20
Sanogo i think auba will get along well with unai emery. I mean he got along with tuchel who was tactically obsessive with videos and stuff. Emery is the same in that respect so it won't be something new for him. The other players may be in for a shock though.

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Steve we all have our favorites. I know majority of us wanted allegri. Emery wasn't my choice but will get behind the team and sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

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Get into top four at least.

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21 May 2018 21:50:08
i am not pulling the guy down, i am just stating my opinion of him which is not good really .

In the situation we are in, i think we really need a coach who can over-achieve, not one who under-achieved. If unai emery couldn't even reach a champions league semi-final with all that oil money, what is he going to achieve with stan kroenke's few coins?

He had a really expensively assembled squad and they under-achieved a lot in the champions league. Zidane, a rookie coach tactically outclassed him in both legs and he conceded six to barcelona despite having a 4-0 aggregate lead.

I have watched many of his games with PSG especially, i can't say much about his la liga teams as i only watched his sevilla team in the europa league, he was decent with sevilla in the europa but with PSG there was nothing special about him tactically. Infact most of the top managers who faced him, outclassed him tactically. I am not saying he is a bad cocah, he is decent but just know you are not getting a guardiola or an allegri and i think we need a coach more in the mould of a guardiola, a tactical revolutionary.

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{Ed025's Note - im afraid thats exactly what you are doing punani, your highlighting the downside of everything he has done but fail to mention the good stuff, if after 20 odd games arsenal are languishing in mid table and the football is dire then by all means moan to your hearts content, but for christs sake give the guy a break and show a bit of loyalty to your club mate..