Arsenal Rumours Archive January 14 2013

14 Jan 2013 21:05:42
Just want to know what is meant when a club (or media source) quotes the value of a transfer?

So if the fee is say £20m and the player receives a 4 year deal of 100k pw does that mean the club has spent £40m?

Also are insurances and agents fees included and if so what are the percentages and fees respectably?

Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this for me.

Hackney Gooner

(P.S Henry can walk on water..... ED002 can swim through land!)

{Ed002's Note - What is paid would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number including any levy applied by the local FA.
(b) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches.
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered)
(h) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, paying up insurance costs on the player, association fees etc..

So what you see generally quoted as the transfer fee is (a).}

Thanks ED002. Is it true that you once counted to infinity.... Twice! {Ed002's Note - I do infinity long division at weddings.}

Go on No.2, that's the spirit!

Hackney Gooner

The Value of the transfer in the way you probably ask is the fee plus wages over the duration of the contract to the player.

Some media outlets were saying 'Man you sign RVP for £75 million!!' and things like that - imo that's just terrible spin. They did not spend that money.

They agreed a £24m fee and will have to pay hidden costs too as Ed has listed. Then what takes it to this supposed £75m is the wages per year multiplied by the duration of the contract obviously. However, the club has not SPENT that money yet. In fact a lot of the time they haven't even paid the TF fee yet.

So when you read 'City spent £80m on Yaya Toure' this is where people get confused. It's just really bad journalism and poor use of terminology and is usually done for a reason e.g. to highlight big spending etc.

14 Jan 2013 18:58:49
Arsenal made an attempt to sign Zaha but he has rejected the move and will move to Man Utd.

Wenger has now been thwarted in his attempts to sign 2 homegrown talents in Zaha and Shaw.

Wenger has made repeated warnings that he will not be coerced into making any signings.

Now that Downing is too expensive and that Zaha and Shaw won't be options, I understand Wenger may not make any deals during the Jan window at all.

Utter rubbish meeting with Palace owners later this week, report.Why do people put garbage on here

According to who? He's a life-long Gooner, but rejects them to sit the bench at Man United? Sounds silly to me.

Manutd have gone out from 1/4 to 1/2 and Arsenal have gone from 12/1 to 3/1 for Zaha so I wouldnt hold your breath cause may well happen. He has a lot more chance of 1st team football at Arsenal than Manutd.
Andylat

This honestly does not surprise me 1 bit he has pretty much just been saying he may buy 1 or 2 just to get the fans off his back because he believes in his methods and has faith in the squad despite the fact they are not good enough, he feels that keeping walcott is a major achievement in itself.

Perhaps Arsenal should try investing in their own academy?? Hardly rocket science.

The clue to all this was this plank entering 'downing' into the fray

Man you have come out and said they are worried that Arsenal could steal him at the last minute.I think Zaha's people have contacted Arsenal with the attitude if you want him he's yours.COYG.

Investing in there own academy? Easier said than done mate but frimpong, Wilshire did come from academy and is one of the best youth academy's in Europe

Oh man if you're the kind of fan who is disappointed we've been priced out of a move for Downing (fair market value is at best 2m quid) then I'm glad you're moaning. Eff off

This lad is awsome and a gooner let's just see how much of a gooner he really is with the united test.

One of the best academy's in Europe?? Deluded.
Take a trip to Southampton and see how it should be done.
And, by the way, no good having a good academy if 95% of your output never gets a chance of 1st team football-the two go together.

14 Jan 2013 15:21:52
Zaha back on arsenal radar again 12-1 at ter worth a tenner remember he's an arsenal fan chambo Theo zaha the future of arsenal an England there is some pace in them 3 could be awesome

14 Jan 2013 15:11:51
We are 21 points behind United and we are just at the half way mark. I find it laughable when Wenger says we will only buy world class players if we would have used the money wisely we could have had a few world class players. Instead we buy several average players for 10-12 million a piece. Add up what we spent on Gervinho 10.5 (that is a joke), Squillaci & Koscielny (13 million combined), Santos (6.2) Per (9 million) Arteta (10 million) equals close to 50 million we could get two world class players for that. Instead we buy average to good players some below average Gervinho and Squillaci. I think the only way we get change is for us to finish outisde the top 4, I hate to say it but 10 more years of 4-6th place finishes or change and we really start challeniging for the top in 2-3 years.
Darren Tampa

Koscielny and Arteta are great.

The signing of Gervinho and his wages could've freed up enough money to tie down van Persie/Nasri to a new deal.

Nick.

Great point this is what I am saying seems baffling. I agree Arteta and Koscelny are great players but woudl i sacrifice them for Mata or Goetze I would.

We wouldn't have any squad players otherwise! We'd be playing 12 year olds on the bench!

Exactly. It's counter productive to keep spending £10m - £12m on average players because when they don't work out as expected we have to go and spend the same on another one.

I'd much rather we spent £20m - £30m on one outstanding player each window than a multitude of average players.

Wenger would never have spent £24m on Van Persie like Man Utd did and look at the difference he's making - the difference to being potential champions or not.

P.s. and don't play them out of their best position. i.e. Walcott, Chambo, Arshavin, Podolski, Arteta

I'm so bored with Arsenal.

Barcelona saw koscielny as a long term replacement for puyol! And arteta has scored some very important and very good goals! He's a great player too!

I disagree completely mikel, per and Laurent!

The trouble is that irrespective of what you pay there are no certanties how good the siging will turn out to be. That goes for a £2 million player (Michu ) or a £35 million player Carrol or a £50 million player Torres.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing

Terraloon

Squillaci is a good player, nice signing wenger!

We are 21 points behind the Mancs. This is an utter disgrace.
This once great manager and the smug Board are destroying our great club. We bleat on and on but are utterly powerless to do anything ..... except........ Withdraw our support for 1 or 2 games and stay outside the ground. Sounds daft ? It might shake them out of their comfort zone !

Sorry but if you slag off Arteta you know nothing about football. Embarrassing.

Metrestacker and Kos are both first teams player and in my eyes, high class, not world class but better than some buys.

Our transfer policy stinks. We needed a new CB this summer and we turned done Vertonghan because Wenger could not guarantee him 1st team football. Dembele and Dempsey would have given us attacking threats from midfield.
Instead we bank £40M from RvP and Song and cross our fingers and hope people forget what happened when season ticket renewals come around.
Wenger and the board have mugged us all

14 Jan 2013 14:06:06
Ed - Is there any interest in Sebastian Rode, Beñat and Kevin Strootman from Arsenal?

Great work Eds.

Thanks! {Ed002's Note - Rode has attracted interest from both Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich. Atletico Madrid, CSKA, Chelsea, Fenerbahce, Arsenal and Wolfsburg have shown interest in Benat. Txiki Begiristain has, as reported, an interest in taking him to Manchester City. It is beginning to look like the summer would be more likely. Manchester United and Liverpool took a look at Kevin Strootman last season but tentative enquiries were met by a reluctance to sell so soon after arriving. His performances have attracted further interest from Manchester United, Arsenal, Valencia, AC Milan, Schalke 04 and Hamburg. I expect him to move to Manchester United or Milan perhaps in January, if not in the summer.}

14 Jan 2013 13:42:20
Hi ed,

Can you make a list of all if the users on this site that request a list of arsenal transfers, including the likelihood of those transfers and the number of times they ask? Thanks. :)

Billybob {Ed002's Note - Sure Billybob, a pleasure. A bit off the top of my head but Arsenal have an interest in a striker still and have certainly looked at Adrian Lopez very closely indeed, Negredo might be an option, and Lewandowski & Shakhtar Donetsk's Adriano (as a cheaper option to Damiao) were enquired about. There has also been interest shown in Udinese's right back Dusan Basta. In midfield I think the club made a mistake not pushing ahead with the purchase of Wanyama in the summer but Benat and the more flexible Mbiwa have been looked at recently. There has also been a little interest in the likes of Markovic, Lars Bender, Konoplyanka and Hatem Ben Arfa but I cannot see anything coming to fruition there and it is likely more wishful thinking than anything serious. It is hard to see what interest remains in the likes of Llorente, Dragovic and Wanyama who were all previously of interest - although it is still possible the club will go back to M'Vila - but they will need to be quick. I understand that there was interest in Holtby but Spurs made their move. A very slim chance of Zaha if a deal for Walcott cannot be achieved.}

Not like you ed but I think you missed the sarcasm in this one, he wanted a list of 'users' who ask stupid questions really. {Ed002's Note - Sorry, I missed that. That list goes straight to my Facebook appreciation page.}

Ed much appreciated all the same. Grateful for the help!

Billybob

13 Jan 2013 22:33:11
Hi Ed, could you please provide a list of players you know arsenal have a genuine interest in signing this January please?

Thanks, Keep Up The Good Work :) {Ed002's Note - I have previously provided a list of players I know the club has shown some level of interested in and have said who are the most likely options. Why don't you take the time to read the posts rather than waste my precious time?}

14 Jan 2013 08:53:58
Rude!!! In the time you took with your reply, you could have answered this poor blokes question. It's your job isn't it, i suggest you pull your finger out and do it! Who do you think you are? precious time my arse! {Ed002's Note - It's obvious to everyone you are a w*nker - just a pity your father wasn't.}

So precious that you took a moment out of your precious time to both post and make a comment on said post? Brilliant reasoning, Ed. {Ed002's Note - The reasoning is fine if folks learn to take the time and opportunity to read other posts.}

14 Jan 2013 12:26:16
Again RUDE! Lucky for you you can hid behind your laptop you chicken soup. Don't think you'd be so rude face to face! {Ed002's Note - I have no doubt that you are some shaven-headed, lager-swilling, pot-pellied, tattooed knuckledragging oaf that could easily beat up people like me - and no doubt take a great deal of pleasure from it. You certainly seem to be having some anger problems today but as I am conveniently hiding behind my laptop (actually my desktop), you will need to go out and find some other old man to "duff up" (or whatever your speciality is).

No doubt by now the original poster will have realised how enlightening reading the posts is for him and there was no need for me to summarise the last 6 weeks posts for him.}

Precious time? Ed i think you should be grateful people take a moment out of their precious time to write on this forum.

{Ed002's Note - Why should I be grateful for that? You can see from the bonehead's two messages the sort of posts we get - and all because I would not waste time (which I don't have much of) and effort on writing a summary of the players Arsenal may have been linked with in recent weeks.

We get streams of abuse from other sites but generally the Arsenal posters have been very good. However, it seems there are some with issues that need to be addressed.}

To Ed 002 - that's a disgraceful response you made to the first comment re "w*nker". You have to maintain a level of professionalism. If you worked for me you'd be out of a job for that response. Precious time my arse. If you can't answer genuine queries with civility you should look for another job.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what any of this has to do with you or with the bonehead who replied first. No doubt you make a habit of being obstructive and unhelpful and I imagine you to be a great writer of complaining letters. "Professionalism", "worked for", "another job"? You clearly have have little or no idea about this site and how it is run.}

I think you need to understand that every single day on this site, someone asks the same question (or some slight variation of) every bloody day! So yeah, use your time and read the damn page.

"Hey Ed who we signing?"
"Hey Ed any chance of Smallish McSmall signing?"
"Hey Ed, do I have chlamydia?"

I get tired of reading it, let alone answering it, and would have been a hell of a lot more rude to you once you told him to do his job...

Dicky {Ed002's Note - Right, thanks. And this poster wanted a list of everyone.}

Theres only one poster that is rude, ignorant and abusive in this exchange and its Ed 002. Disgraceful. You brought the first guys father into the debate for simply reminding you of your function and to show common courtesy to those who add to your unique visitor stats. {Ed002's Note - What do you see my "function" as being? And why would I have even the slightest interest in "unique visitor stats"? Thank god there is only a couple of you being such an embarrassment. I rather think you never quite "got" the quip about bonehead's father - it was pretty amusing even though I say so myself. I do have some proper work to do and whilst this is all very enjoyable for me and I am sure others, I would be grateful if you could get to the point where you can suck it up and move on reasonably soon.}

I quite liked the 'w**ker comment, may use it in future myself!

This is much more interesting than the game yesterday.

Oh, I shave my head but that does not make me all the other things, that remark was 'hairist' {Ed002's Note - Sorry about the hairist remark - I do appreciate that there are those who shave their heads and that does not make them lager-swilling, pot-pellied, tattooed knuckledragging oafs. I myself have the inverted mohican (natural - so save on razors).}

Thats right - "you have no idea". And to answer your question - it has everything to do with me and other posters when you make your abuse public and open to comment. That's the purpose of your site - so no point crying when the feedback is negative. {Ed002's Note - It looks rather like the other posters are not quite as concerned as you over any of this. And believe me I am not crying over any negative feedback - even if there were any. Isn't there someone double-parked nearby so you can go and complain to a Traffic Warden?}

"Shame your father wasn't" ha brilliant! All you sad persons need to grow up! There's two pages; rumours and banter! If your not posting a rumour and can't handle banter then p*ss off!

"I have no doubt that you are some shaven-headed, lager-swilling, pot-pellied, tattooed knuckledragging oaf that could easily beat up people like me".

This was the greatest line I have seen here for a while. Ed002 is in the right even though we all knew the "precious time" line would receive multiple replies. Ed keep up the good work and ignore the trolls giving you abuse or simply continue with your witty replies. This is STILL the best rumour site out there, but if you do not like the Ed's, bugger off!
Chess

Brilliant read Ed002 on fire best laugh I've had had in ages. Keep up the great work!

Wow I guess it was too much work for him to move his fingers slightly up and down on the keyboard

15 Jan 2013 12:06:47
personally i didn't like the fact ED was being personal, and saying he's probably tattooed wasnt nice.. as everyone gets tats these days...

BUT.. i bet ed gets more 'whos signing?' requests than the emirates PR office, so i think that him getting miffed is quite alright :D {Ed002's Note - I do appreciate that there are those who have tattoos but that does not make them shaven-headed lager-swilling, pot-pellied, knuckledragging oafs.}