Arsenal Rumours Archive August 16 2011

16 Aug 2011 22:32:13
The udinese match just proved how much arsenal need another stiker. If he expects that van persie will stay injury free for the whole season then he might aswell pick up his p45. I'm such a massive wenger fan but he must realise that we need players in asap

Noodles

If gibbs/djourrou hadnt needing replacing, i believe bendtner would have come on to replace the very low on confidence chamakh. Surely we have to let him play ahead of chmakh if only to put himself in shop window. I 'd prefer we kept him tbh, I never thought he got a fair crack being on the wing

Apparently Chamakh is fasting for the month of Ramadan but even then these sort of performances by are nothing new

Gervinho was shocking. But we should have J Campbell as well sometime soon. He looks ready for the 1st team.
BD

16 Aug 2011 22:28:01
Did anyone say why there was no Arshavin tonight when we could have used him? If Wenger wants to get some decent cash for him then maybe he was preventing him getting cup-tied to sell..

WoooooW...
Do arsenal trying to sell Arshavin?

I think arshavins here to stay mate, it just wasn't his day. i think if we had not had to make 2 injury subs, he surely would have been brought on for chamakh and let walcott play up front. chamakh is mayonnaise

I think wenger wants to keep him fully fit for the lverpool gme on sat.

10 Goals and 17 assist last season, not a chance he is moving anywhere.

We were keeping him fresh so that he can score his 4 against liverpool

Arshavin cannot play a full 90 min let alone two games in 4 days. he's just being rested for the weekend.

{Ed022's Note - I think RVP and Arshavin having being rested will come straight back into the team. I also have a feeling Wilshere will play... Defensively if Gibbs is out we may have trouble as Traore is out too. My thoughts are Gibbs will play though so:
Szczesny
Sagna
Vermaelen
Koscielny
Gibbs (If he is injured expect the squid to come in and TV5 at LB)
Ramsey
Wilshere (especially if Song gets a 3 match ban)
Rosicky
Arshavin
Walcott
RVP

Ed022 - was Wilshere not in a cast last night? I hope he can play on sat afternoon

{Ed022's Note - He's been wearing a "protective cast/boot" to protect it. He is very unlikely to play but I just see Wilshere being thrown in if hes anywhere near fit. Especially as I said if Song is banned. My hope is Song isn't banned and plays and Wilshere is saved for Man Utd. Frimpong could also come in but he's only played 25mins of competitive football so far this season...}

There is nothing to think so much sbt Arshavin. He would have been used but we has to sub 2 defenders, and then latter got on Frimpong to protect the lead. We didnt need to sub both of them i have a feeling we would have even seen bendtner come on as chamakh was abs useless

{Ed022's Note - Bendtner wouldn't have come on as he would have been cup-tied. He would have only come on in an emergency.}

16 Aug 2011 22:07:00
6m bid for scott parker made today

16 Aug 2011 21:37:45
YESSSSSSS ARSEENNNAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

That is all.

Raz

We was lucky to win but if Wenger will play same player there we will lose. Also this new player are sh**** Ger... Hasn't got enuoght power he hardly moves the boll lol

Very pleasing that we can win and keep a clean sheet when not playing very well and having many players injured.

some are saying the defence was shaky - i think that is harsh. we made one or two errors and they inevitably had chances, but we dealt well with them. even jenkinson was looking fairly solid in LB by the end.

having said that, we clearly need investment in the team. we lacked creativity and attacking drive towards the end, and i would worry about our defence without vermaelen.

16 Aug 2011 21:30:32
Seriously on the basis of pre-season and the first two games of the season. I would happily take Bendtner over Chamakh at the moment.
Eman.

Totally agree buddy. Never thought Bendtner had a a fair crack last season and Chamakh, well he looks pants

Chamakh's play like he dont want to be at arsenal and like he is talking to another club to move on. not so focus and alert on the gameplay.
-hakeem-

I quite agree. Chamakh is useless.

Eman,
You're not wrong. I think that Chamakh is shot and suffering. I was also surprised and disappointed to see Vela shipped out on loan. This could have been his break through year. The boy hasn't been given a real run in the side. If Bendy and Vela are goners then are we about to spend big on a proven goalscorer? Benzema or Falcao? We need an AM as well. Am excited but wish this business had been done 6 weeks ago. By the way, the crowd were shocking tonight. People around me made no noise and left 10mins before the end - shocking. Sort it out fellas, our stadium should be a wall of noise

1-0 to The Arsenal........ Being on the acousers

Scousers I meant. Another 1-0 to The Arsenal followed by another 1-0 to The Arsenal out in Italy. Come on you Gooners

Herrick Gooner

I think he should get the chance cuz Chamakh is relly not performing right now but of course when RVP is back he will be the number one but i think if RVP is out bendtner should be the second.
DanishGooner

Yeah guys, whats more frustating is that Wenger had 2/3 seasons to proper analyse Chamakh, he doesnt even suit our style of football. Where as Bendtner has a good games to goals ratio especially for someone who hardly gets a good run in the team.
And I agree with the poster who commented on Vela, I really thought this was his year. He looked really good in pre-season. His situation isnt looking too great at the moment.
A striker signing, is a must IMO.
Eman.

AGreed Eman, I'm gutted Vela has gone on loan and I am praying it doesn't spark the end of his career with us, he is sooo god he just needs a run in the team. I honestly saw him as being our key cup striker and useful in early champs league stages. We got Chamakh on a free, I think we should cash in. Although I'd actually like him to get his form back and today he was bad but a lot better. But for me Vela has something special. Also Bendtner is happy to take people, is good in the air, has a fantastic pass when he wants to and always plays well with Walcott, plus he has a hammer. So for me this whole playing with 1 lone striker malarky has ruined our striking prospects.

Raz

And gervinho

A GOONER

Bendter doesnt jump or even try for that matter unless a goal oppurtunity is handed to him on a silver plate

{Ed022's Note - Even then he does his best to miss...}

16 Aug 2011 21:14:10
COME ON FRIMPONGGGGGG
1732

Ha there's ur supersub right there 1732 enjoy

Raz

I certainly did
1732

16 Aug 2011 21:04:28
who would you have picked up front today
Bendtner-agree
chamakh-disagree

Neither are good enough to get us back to where we were a few years ago - think henry, think bergkamp think wright, think anelka. Show some ambition to challenge, not to try and get in the top six SPEND THE MONEY ON A WORLD CLASS P[LAYER, you say you will only buy to improve, after watching tonite that should be really easy

Wallcot with arshavin and gervinho on the wings

I would have started with "The Big C" because he has played in pre-season, but put B52 on at halftime. We need a real striker though, one who actually plays football.

B52 must be tearing his hair out thinking "is He better than me?", and to answer that in a word, no

They dont want to cup tie him as would lose value when selling

How about a third option...
A NEW STRIKER

We need a high quality striker bought in now before man u game

16 Aug 2011 20:57:10
we should now be looking to bring both hazard and cahill in, cost around 35 mil (fab's money) and then look to bring in a striker from the funds that kroenke produced . Finally nasri said on twitter saying that the arsenal fans were being very disrespectful on saturday and that he is still very much an arsenal player and to not listen to the media. Then Wenger came out saying that we are still looking to keep nasri so dont give up hope in him because hes still probably our best player and the media have made it out to look as if hes a traitor etc.
kentish gooner

35 mill for both are you kidding? we get 30 mill for cesc 2 weeks before the window shuts. every club will now up there prices cos we are desperate for replacements

pau- l rochester

16 Aug 2011 20:32:15
Don't know about you, but although Di Natale is 33, i think he would be a great 2nd choice Striker to Van Persie. Also in the last year of his contract so wouldn't be overly expensive, even if he is only good for another year or 2.

JH.

16 Aug 2011 20:08:53
Gibbs is so much sharper in the tackle than Clichy and doesn't stand off people as much.

If he stays fit he could be great

He can't stay fit. Hamstring tonight and then replacement Djourou off after 8 minutes with hamstring too.

lol

If I didn't laugh I'd go mad.

Short time lurker, long time gooner

No need to buy any defenders then. Even with our first choice back five we looked really shakey

16 Aug 2011 19:43:14
chamakh featured in the starting line up, hopefully he can find some confidence, always been a fan

That didn't happen....

Sad to say, that is the ONLY appearance he made tonight.

TopLondoner

16 Aug 2011 18:58:16
it looks like wenger isnt starting with walcott down the middle but on the wing and chamakh down the middle

16 Aug 2011 18:48:19
whats the deal with joe campbell?

It's Joel Campbell not Joe.

And we signed him, check arsenal.com

I meant joel you smartass

16 Aug 2011 18:47:54
y is vela going on loan in spain why not to qpr or bolton he should have been loaned in england

16 Aug 2011 18:28:06
With the Fabregas money + some of the boards money lets spend £22 million on Falcao or Benzema and about £18 million on Hazard as a replacement.

Then when Nasri goes get a deal with Adam Johnson in it and with the rest of the money + money from eboue sale to Galatastroy buy Mata for around the same amount as Hazard.

Then with the boards money buy Mertesacker for around £10 million and either Jags or Cahill as experience PL players plus there english. They will cost like £17 million

RVP new captain as well

Oxford Gooner

Absolutely beautiful. but unfortunately for us gooners, there is the slimmest of chances of this happening. wenger is too stubborn, no amount of criticism and failings will make him change his way.

Copthorne Gooner

That sounds absolutely ridiculous. Falcao and Benzema would cost about 40M+ each, and mata/hazard would be 20-25m each.. We don't need 2 centre backs or 3 wingers. Nasri will not leave either.

Actually, Wegner said in his interview that he would spend 40mill on the right player, dropped hints that it may happen this summer and is currently in talks with lille over hazard which would cost us 30mill euros which is 26mill pounds so it is possible so is cahill.

£40 million for Benzema. Are you joking

16 Aug 2011 18:39:16
hi guys

now fabregas has gone here comes the next big question......

WILL NASRI STAY

if u think he will select beleivable
if not then unbelievable

16 Aug 2011 17:52:54
Does anyone think AW should have a look at gourcoff? I know hes injured right now, most likely out til september, but hes a quality player and would fit right into the midfield. He can play as an attacking midfielder or a quality controller of the midfield.
What do people think???

16 Aug 2011 17:07:06
Looking at the amount of players being sold and loaned out,Carlos Vela and Pedro Botelho being loaned out to La Liga teams this season as well,Wenger must be making way for new players.

{Ed022's Note - You would hope so! With Vela going and Bendtner looking to go by the end of the transfer window, Campbell being unknown and new to the PL and Chamakh lacking confidence at the moment I would hope Wenger has a top striker coming in.}

His making room for Theo down the middle so he can bring in Mata for the wing and Hazard for ACM ...........
I do love to dream but I think Wenger will surprise us yet bet he has got some aces up his sleave

Rainham Gunner

Any idea which striker that arsenal will try to sign?
dont think it is benzema coz he is playing well with madrid.plus mourinho dont want to sign anymor player.
Any idea?
-hakeem-

Moussa Sow is the most prominent link at the moment, having sounded out arsenal as his ideal destination. However, I reckon that his compatriot Papiss Cisse is who we really want to be looking at.

I do not think Wenger will sign a striker though. I think we will be signing a creative midfileder and Chamakh, Walcott and Gervinho will get chances in CF.

There have been whisperings about Hazard and Elia for the midfield role, not sure how likely this is but I would take either.

16 Aug 2011 16:27:45
Heard rumours that Walcott might be starting through the middle of the attack tonight. Apparently Arsenal have been practicing with him there in training. If it's true can't wait to see this (finally).

JH.

I'd really love to see Walcott up front and Gervinho on the wing with maybe AOC or Miyachi on the other, all very fast players and would give us a serious attacking edge

CT

I Dont Understand How Though I Can Finish Better Than Walcott

{Ed022's Note - I think you'll find that Walcott, given the chance up front centrally (and that means more than 80mins of a game!) will do well. He is a natural finisher (when he's not thinking!) On the wing he has to think and try a trick. Up front, give him the ball in front of goal and he'l do well. As for you thinking you're better than Walcott at finishing. May I suggest you would struggle to finish your dinner let alone a chance at goal in front of 60,000 people...}

Let us pray this is true mate.

Raz

To the obvious non Goooooner above, Walcott scored 13 last season majority through the middle

Edd022 Why Did You Have To Cut Into Me Like That :(

Well said ED022 I think Theo would be much better down the middle as his finnish is so much better that his crossing
would love to see TR7 fit to play ACM too on form he is great

Rainham Gunner

I'd love to see this as well. Walcott simply doesn't have the ball control and dribbling ability to play out on the wing. He also isn't a very good crosser of the ball. What good is it running down the wing at blazing speed only to find that he beat the defender to the opponents corner flag?

Walcott played up top in the match against Chelsea last December and he had an amazing match (I think 2 goals).

He has the speed to beat any center back in the league and fortunately he also has the rare ability to finish accurately while running at near full sprint. Wenger needs to play Walcott up top every match.

If this is true i will do a borat style disco dance

To The Guy Who Writes Everything Like A Five-Year-Old Without An English Teacher Please Go ON The Arsenal Player And Watch Highlights Of Chelsea Last Year And Then Come Back With A Sensible Appraisal On Walcott's Finishing. Or go and watch his youtube highlights. Whichever, just get to it pronto.

Walcott was a striker at southampton

Doubt very much you could finish better then walcott, he has proved for england and arsenal that his finishing is world class, he just needs a few games there to prove it. Walcott to be a new henry :D

Yh wenger will work his magic on him just like he did with the legend thierry

Edd022 Why Did You Have To Cut Into Me Like That :(

I'll answer on your behalf if you don't mind Edd022? Ahem (clears throat) - it's because your talking bollocks

The Guy That Tried To Mock Me For The Way I Type Needs To Watch More Of Walcotts Games But I Must Say Hes Always Improving

16 Aug 2011 15:40:10
Ed022, SSN just announced that Arsenal negotiated a clause in Fabregas' contract meaning we can buy him back at any time for 35 million I think that is just genius from Wenger Maybe Cesc will want to come back if we develop and win some trophies

Is this true? Have been checking and cant find anything.

{Ed022's Note - There is a 50% sell on clause inserted into the contract and it appears there is also a buy back clause for Arsenal to buy Cesc Fabregas back for £35m (which is the maximum amount of money we will receive from the deal) We also have first refusal on Cesc Fabregas meaning that if anyone did make a bid (no matter how big) The we could bid £35m and if Cesc wanted to he would come back.}

16 Aug 2011 15:13:17
I know there are loads of moans about us being a feeder club to Manc but on a positive if they end up buying all our team then we are guaranteed they wont win anything for 6 years

{Ed022's Note - Oooooh bitchy bitchy....}

You have to see the funny side. Did you see Clichy last night. He seemed a little lost

Except they've signed Aguero, who will rip up the prem

16 Aug 2011 14:13:02
i have high sources at arsenal and i have been told that 3-4 player will come in.nasri will defo leave for 25 million.wenger will break the bank on juan mata for 21 million to replace nasri.and jadson will come in to replace fabregas.mertasacker will come in at central defence for 7 million.and the 4th player could be a top striker or a defender(if the deal can be reached on time )All the deal will be done before the united match.Watch this space

RELIABLE GOONER

{Ed022's Note - High sources? Hmmm, is that tomato sauce on the top shelf??}

They are extremely high if the say that is going to happen I want what they're on

There's that 'watch this space' again ay Ed?

16 Aug 2011 13:29:35
"Albion have signed Arsenal youngster Jamie Edge on one-year deal. The 17-year-old midfielder will be part of the Baggies' development squad."

16 Aug 2011 13:26:29
I have a feeling arsenal have agreed terms with gary cahill, but he will not sign till next summer when he will be a free agent, when arsenal will do the same as they did with sol campbell and give cahill a 5 million signing on fee.

Why would he join us then when he city could give him a 15 Million sign on fee?

That would then make the deal illegal and Arsenal would get done. You are only allowed to talk to player with 6 months left on their contract if you are not from the same country, which clearly Arsenal & Cahill are. Arsenal also do things by the book, so he will not have signed a pre-agreed deal.

{Ed022's Note - Sorry to shatter/burst your bubble but this goes on in football A LOT! The game has changed and teams agree wages for players and talk to players before actually agreeing a deal with a club. Arsenal do it. Everyone does it. Yes its illegal and morally wrong but everyones at it. If you think this doesn't happen you're very niave. The agents of players phone managers directly quoted what their client will accept/like for wages and if the manager is interested then they can persue it through the correct channels... Obviously clubs don't advertise/announce they've agreed terms first before agreeing with the clubs but it happens trust me. He won't have signed a deal but he might have verbally agreed to join.}

If this were true Arsenal are breaking prem league rules and leave themselves open to tapping up charges. Secondly, what's in it for Cahill? When he leaves on a free next season he can tout himself around all clubs to get the best signing on fee. Why would he (illegally) commit to Arsenal now?

16 Aug 2011 13:10:44
hi guys , they keep saying arsenal fans would be surprised to hear how much arsene wenger is prepared to spend on one player do any of you know how much that is and what player it is ?

Well, as an example, Arsenal bid £25 million for Jose Reina last summer, but apparently the deal collapsed becasue Gazidis ballsed up the negotiations on how payments would be made. Not up to date info I know, but serves as an illustration...

Our new number 9.. Karim Benzema

{Ed022's Note - The Reina deal didn't happen because we didn't bid £25m which is why we ballsed up. We bid less than £18m which is why it was rejected out of hand. Also, we ballsed up a bid for Xavi Alonso by not offering enough. Sound familiar...?}

I believe if the right player becomes available then he is will be willing to spend as much as 73p.
Essexgooner

{Ed022's Note - But thats as much as 0.83 euros..!!}

I am starting to get concerned that Arsenal actually have financial problems. Clichy, Fabregas and Eboue have all gone. Nasri, Bendtner and now Vela all look as though they are on the way. We are about to play a massive Champions League qualifier with probably the weakest team we have seen since Wenger took over. Surely if Arsenal were ambitious and wanted to compete we would have brought new players in by now. If we do not qualify for the Champions League, I fully expect all the money that has been received to be banked and nothing spent and alll we will hear yet again is what great potential the team has. We have Liverpool and then Man utd in our next 2 league games and can you honestly see where we are going to get any points with a depleted squad, injuries and 2 suspensions already for Gervinho and Song.

Well I imagine it to be around £3 and the player is Benzema...

I expect it to be vague statement like "I would not be frightened to spend £30m on a player if the right player became available"
Of course the right player will never become available

Eden Hazard, do it. Its now or never, this guy is only going to get better, Quality

He said he wasn't intrested in signing hazard for 30 million euros but they will make a bid close to it

16 Aug 2011 12:53:22
Arsenal to move for keisuke honda. Wenger has said in the past the kids a genius

16 Aug 2011 12:43:24
I dont know about you guys...but the way cesc talks about arsenal...nothing but respect to that man...brilliant player...

Lets go kick some udinese'es

Yeh, good to see some positivity amongst the sea of weeping gnashing hand wringers and bed wetters that make me embarrassed to be an Arsenal fan.

Get behind the team and you will be amazed.

16 Aug 2011 11:54:14
Does anyone else think that Wenger and Gazidis are waiting to see if we get through the CL Qualifier before making moves? Could be worth around £15-20 mill in revenue and thats the price of a Mata, Cahill or Jagielka. Just a thought.

Exactly the money is too big plus this is also an attraction for players. this is key as the AFC management and board, owners (kronke not usamov) will react the failure to reach CL by retrenching further financially - these people claim to be businessmen but do not have a clue like the world status today you need success to grow and succeed both financially (and on the pitch)

I think that they are but then again if Nasri and Bendtner leave, we have lost 6 first team players and tehrefore I think we will make couple of signings anyway. Big name signings will only be made if we make it to the Champions league. If we don't I still expect maybe two more youngsters to sign

Its exactly what they are doing, its what all Wengers top targets are doing aswell, everyone of our targets has publicly said they want to play champions league football... If we get through then it will be an exciting transfer window, if we don't then it will be a very very dark season for the arsenal.

I very much doubt it - We will get past Udinese over the two games I don't see them being too tough an obstacle to get past. Even if tonights game is another 0-0 drab draw that is all part of the plan.

Basically though in relation to the question; there is just no way as the Champions League money is earmarked by the club as it is every season - we expect to be in the CL as minimum requirements, so I cannot see a great manager like Wenger getting it that drastically wrong.

People seem to forget we beat Barca 2-1 last season so why we are getting scared about Udinese I will never know. They are there to be beaten really regardless of their pedigree or form.

Arsenal really shouldn't be losing to these teams jsut because we are low on confidence. Forget the pundits the squad is practically the same as it was when we beat united / Barca.

Cesc barely played and when he did he was pretty poor. Nasri will be staying I think he will definitely play, Chelsea put in interest just to screw with his head more I think

Been thinking this for a while now, risky business in my opinion. Should of got someone in before these 2 games. No one will want to come to us if we fail to qualify :-(

Paul

And the money from sales will go in the pockets of the board ?

Or that players are waiting to see if we get through.
Why join a club which is falling behind if they are not even in the Champions League.
Troubled times ahead.....need a CB, a Forward and 1/2 Midfielders (dependant on Nasri)

I think it's more likely that a few of the players we have been interested in are waiting to see if we get through the qualifier before agreeing to sign for us. I mean, there's really no point in Jagielka leaving Everton, a club where he's happy, unless he get's something he's not getting there.. like CL football.

Nasri staying? does that mean signing a new contract or 20m of talent walking out the door come end of season or even sign a pre-contract with a european club in jan.
no contract signed means he will walk unless arsenal give him a huge new deal such as 150k a week - need some decisions driven on this issue by the blundering gazidis and wenger

Nasri won't play. He and RVP are suspended, aren't they?
Andre

I wish some of our fans would stop saying udinese wont be too tough. Remember we have just lost our best player and we have not got nasri,wilshere and van persie. tonight will be a hard game no doubt

I genuinely believe he wants to sign mata or hazard but it all depends on if we get through the champions league.

The signings of cahill and jags imo have no influence on champions league....

Love the 1st reply to this thread. That the billionairs who own Arsenal have no clue about business

C'mon Gunners show your class tonight

Jono

16 Aug 2011 11:10:33
Arsenal have clauses in the transfer of Cesc Fabregas to Barcelona giving them first option to buy him back

...and a 50% sell on clause...here's hoping someone exercises that 200m buyout clause

He will never leave barca so no point having that

Dodgy hammy says he is better off in Spain, warming the bench and resting it

As there is no earthly way we would ever get him back (he's exactly where he wants to be) its a completely pointless clause, as is the "sell on" bit, when he's done at Barca he simply won't go anywhere else

16 Aug 2011 10:22:31
Any news on latest targets or transfer enquiries? Anything? PLEASE

Daily Express reports the Jadson deal depends on the Nasri situation. If he leaves Jadson could join but if he signs an extension Jadson will not.

I heared theres a 6 six year old french kid lol

16 Aug 2011 05:31:12
Just heard on talksport that Anelka wants to leave Chelsea since Torres is now a preference over him....anyone here think Arsenal have the slightest chance to pick him up? He's big and strong and is a decent finisher...or is he too old and will he ask for too high a wage?

let me know what you guys think?

Scooby Dooby K

{Ed022's Note - Should never have left Arsenal when he did. I personally wouldn't have him back. Think hes past it.}

Don't want him back now, he's still good, but for his wages think there are alternatives... but perhaps chelsea will offer him in exchange+ cash for nasri ?

23 million at the time was a good deal for Arsenal , bought several players with the money.

{Ed022's Note - If he'd have stayed he'd have become even better I feel. He was too young and niave and in his own words he said he regrets leaving Arsenal too early. Yes it was a fantastic deal and massive amount of money at the time. My point is, on a footballing level, he would have gone up a level had he stayed...}

I think he's gone up a level, he did a long time ago. I'd love to have him back, I got over the past a long time ago. He still wipes the floor with most prem strikers and that includes at least 2 of ours. RVP and Anelka up front, can you imagine that now? Would be amazing.

Raz

What is it they always say , never go back?
anelka could get us goals but it would only be a short term solution, i would be 50/50. it seems that his attitude has changed as he has matured. who knows?
l'enfant terrible to ...........

If he was cheap and commited to a decrease in wages then I'd definitely have him back. Even with his age he beats Chamakh out of the water.. sign Anelka on a one year deal and keep him on a one year deal until we finally land Benzema.

Im sure if he stayed he would have been alot better footballer, but then ,would Henry have come still. Any way we will never know thanks to a greedy brother agent.

15 Aug 2011 23:59:30
edd i thought we were nailed on to sign Mateo Kovačić and sime vrsaljko in january whats happened has the intrest died down or do you think wenger will go bk in and sign them

16 Aug 2011 02:23:15
wenger will sign 4 more players.
gary cahill
elia
marvin martin
jadson

Wenger has also said we will only sign the right players that he feels will improve the squad and at the right price. So maybe one more as he feels he has enough at the back.