Arsenal Rumours Archive May 16 2012

16 May 2012 19:52:35
Peruvian Media saying Claudio Pizarro, wo is leaving Werder Bremen for free is considering joining AFC according to his manager...
(RPP & El Bocon)

Peruvian Gooner

During the semi final with real they said he was returning to bayern

Hopefully not,...he's way too old.

Im from peru and thats a lie, vargas rumors were true 3 or 4 months ago but pizarro is staying in germany, rauls replacement in schalke is more likely

16 May 2012 19:09:01
A friend of mine who works for Associated Press has told me that the rumour going round is that in the event RVP goes to City....we will receive Dzeko as part of the deal. It's just a rumour....make of it what you will?

North Carolina Gooner.

Be a good deal, but only aslong as we receive like 20m + dzeko. That way the money can be spent on a class CAM, someone really creative like what Rosicky should be playing like. Hopefully if we get Dzeko we can fob Bendtner and Chamakh off.

We'd never get £20m and Dzeko, where are people getting that number?

Try Dzeko and. £5-10

Edin Dzeko is still worth around £15m

D

Not sure why you think RvP would got to city to warm their bench - Do you really think Aguero, Dzeko, Balotelli and Tevez will just make way for him? Personally I think both Dzeko and Aguero are eveyr bit as good, and Balotelli will be when he learns to control himself - and Tevez has proven how valuable he is as well

16 May 2012 18:30:51
I heard we are interested in Getafe striker Daniel Güiza. He is a real winger and good at aerial. He runs so fast and with this, RvP won't be missed that much. What do you think of it?

Love it when people have a quarter in there name

16 May 2012 14:35:42
This one post on Le Grove is one of the most sensible, concise posts I have read all year. Literally nothing else in the world needs to be said. This is it. All we need to do is do it. Should have started maybe 3 years ago but it didn't, what the club should do now is get it into their heads that if they thought last summer was busy, they've another thing coming, and get this lot:

"Almunia/Fabianski & Mannone – New GK (Dont know who)
Djourou & Squillaci – Vertonghen
Gibbs or Santos – Baines
Denilson & Frimpong – MVila
Diaby & Lansbury – Witsel
Ramsey – Kagawa
Arshavin – Podolski
Chamakh, Bendtner, Vela & Park – Giroud"

Needs to happen: 10/10
Chances: 0/10

I'm not saying I think we should sell Frimpong. Or Lansbury. What's the point in encouraging and promoting youth only to sell them before they get a shot? I am also not saying that Baines is at all realistic. But then imagine if United came in for him- he'd go if the money was right. It's always if the money was right. Ours is right but we won't use it. Signings like Baines - top player in a lower team not in Europe - are the exact sort of signings a club like Arsenal should be able to engineer without any hassle, but we don't.

I'm not saying doing the above wouldn't be hard or take effort, I'm not that naive and anyone who thinks they're intelligent for replying 'if you think that will happen this summer then you're deluded' is totally, totally missing the point. I know it won't happen. BUT IT SHOULD HAPPEN. We could and should be able to achieve that. We can terminate contracts. We can literally tell players to go if we want to. Or if they're that bad and we don't want to pay them but cannot sell them, we can simply not include them in the squad. If we were Man U I am sure they would do what is needed to get their team playing at the top.

But it's Arsenal and we will be stuck with so many average players.

On a side note, someone replying to Le Grove has come out with a classic:

"Kagawa is hardly immense!
He wouldn't turn us into champions! Inconsistent player! And not top top quality!"

I haven't read much that beats that comment for stupidity. Kagawa has 17 goals and 13 assists from 43 games this year. From midfield. Do you think any Dortmund players or fans are at home thinking 'Man, Kagawa was just too inconsistent this season. I was expecting 25 goals and 20 assists at least. Because of him we didn't win the league by more points." Of course they aren't because that is a stupid stupid comment. His combined stats are better than Arshavin's last season. And Arshavin's were bettered only by Tevez, Drogba, Berba, Rooney and Cesc off the top of my head. Goetze's been out injured, and at xmas nobody expected Dortmund to win the league because they had the cheek to underestimate players like Kagawa, when all you need to do is watch them for about 5 mins to know that they're top quality.

This guy is only 23 or something as well. You don't really get much better than that in midfield for the money. I love reading Le Grove, both guys have a different take, but some of the people who comment on that blog leave a huge amount to be desired. Wenger could sign M'Vila, Kagawa, Hazard an Goetze this summer and some people on there would still say Wenger out.

Kagawa embodies everything about Arsene's nature in the market. He's young. He's won the league twice I think. He has played in the Champs League. He's very talented and he is 'available' - I am a firm believer that the right offer makes any player potentially available. But Wenger isn't. He only goes for players who won't sign new contracts by the looks of things. Kagawa is more than affordable too. I mean this time 5 years ago Arsene would have struggled to contain his arousal for a prospect like this. But now it seems as though Man U will just stroll in and take who they want. Imagine if Ramsey had been Kagawa. In fact imagine if Song, Rosicky, Ramsey or Gervinho had been Kagawa. Painful isn't it!

And anyone saying it's a one off season for him - wrong! 198 games, 86 goals, 45 assists. Before this season those were 155 games, 69 goals and 32 assists.

I can't see him coming to us because I don't think Arsene realises how good he is. He cannot sit there and complain players 'aren't available' but then ignore the ones who are like his did last summer and like he did in January (regardless of impact, the following players are or were available: Jelavic, Ba, Parker, Cisse, Friedel, Cabaye, Ruiz, Montilivo, Honda, Doumbia to name a clutch). We didn't do what it took to sign Goetze, and then we targeted the other end of the spectrum and signed an injured kid from their reserves. That's 2 strikes totally ignoring Kagawa. I wanted Kagawa to sign for us the very first time I saw him play because his talent was obvious. I used to live in Germany and Dortmund and Hamburg I have followed loosely but still supported for years. If we as a club knew what was good for us, Man U wouldn't even have been able to get a word in with Kagawa.

My biggest question is how one man with nothing but a laptop (and all the others in the same boat) can see how good a player is, yet and multi-million pound organisation whose job it is to sign these players, who operate using a scouting network and a manager earning £10m a year, haven't made a single noise about even tracking him. Strange.

That's my long ish one of the day. Thought I'd talk about something other than RVP. To be honest I know I will get sucked in but I almost no longer care. But I think that's just me preparing myself for the worst!

Oh yeah, I watched that Kagawa vid, over and over to be honest, and I hear someone say something about Wenger, and nothing about Fergie. That's a pretty daft thing for one of the team to let slip. Still, it means nothing if he doesn't sign. That's a lie, it probably means an awful lot to hear that comment but then not see Kagawa sign for us.

I would rather write a post like this and we sign him than sit here going 'OMG it's so obvious, did anyone see that Dortmund youtube vid? He's blatantly coming to Arsenal' and then he doesn't .

Raz

Good post but Kagawa might not gel in our league, he wouldn't be the saviour of our club and there's other players out there as good... it's just your opinion which needs to be based on more than stats and a few games.
The reason I say this is that the post shows Baines in for Santos and Gibbs who have both played well this year having taken a few games to knock the rust off. Yes we see the odd poor defending but to be honest I live in Liverpool and a fair few of my mates are blues and they would be speaking exactly the same about Baines... he has bad patches and makes mistakes, it would take more than watching highlights on match of the day to see this! My mates rave about Jagielka when he's playing well but they don't do that with Baines, he's solid but has his limits they say.
So appreciate what we have two half decent fullbacks who are possibly the best left backs in the league going forward - remember we don't have the style of striker who will socre too many of the deep crosses.

Raz, Whilst agree that Kagawa is a talent, I think we have already missed the boat. I'm sure Arsene knows his talent, and has a wish list that may very well include him, but as you know there is one thing identifying a player, completely another siging him.
Wenger will have run the rule over a number of players and got a short list together, but so much depends on players leaving before signings are made. It must be a nightmare doing his job (a good well paid nightmare).
As someone mentioned below, Oxlade-Chamberlain is an option in the middle as a AM, so Kagawa may not be needed. Wenegr may see that his funds are better spent elsewhere.
Only time will tell.

Kermit79

A transfer requires 4 parties to be in agreement.

Seller
Buyer
Player
Agent

In the case the latter two want man utd. Wenger is not stupid - but if a player has decided he wants to play for another team, then there is not much to do about it...

Billybob

Cigar Dong Or will join in da summer on a freebie

Wow that was way longer than I intended, sorry!

Raz

Wenger went for Goetze/Kagawa last year but BVB did not want to sale do we ended up with that young player from BVB. You can only buy a player who wants to play for you

Can Gooner

"Good post but Kagawa might not gel in our league, he wouldn't be the saviour of our club and there's other players out there as good... it's just your opinion which needs to be based on more than stats and a few games." -

A fair comment, if your assumption that I am basing this on a few games is correct, which it isn't. I grew up Germany and as I have said in the past, have followed Dortmund and Hamburg as long as I have Arsenal really. Well one a bit more one a bit less. But yeah my point is that in Goetze's shadow anyone can look poor but Kagawa is pure class and I've been watching him and them for over 2 years mate. My thoughts on Kagawa are not based on 'one or two games'! Also don't forget Goetze got a long-term injury in Jan (really?) and Dortmund have barely missed him and still won the league with ease.

I agree there are perhaps better out there but for that price? Are they considered 'available'?

Raz

Only got half way through the post before Night fell

zzz

So if you looked at a video of torres for liverpool you would buy him. and look at him at chelsea. theres alot more to think about than just seeing a video!

16 May 2012 12:02:13
On it seems the Spuds are quibbling about fee with Ajax having offered £8.1m. Wages are allegedly £60k per week. We've got lots of rubbish that earn more than that. Arsene get the chequebook out and sign him for £10m today. He's a real bargain

Gooner1920

I'm thinking the same thing, but after his quotes about how much he likes Tottenham it kinda put me off signing him.
Nick.

Squilacci is on 60k and i would imagine johan is not far off, we have a massive carrot (other than all the obvious stuff) dangling over spurs is that we aren't waiting for sat nor sometime in august to officially be in the CL.
so if we haven't already acted then sadly we aren't going to.

Where did you here that, I would love to Vert would be a class addition. Fed up with spuds allways going after our targets. Go go AW the clock is ticking!!

Gavsta

Ajax are real tough on bargaining. Last year Marteen Steelkenburg took the entire summer to head to roma...

the price they want is 5 million more then the 8 mill spurs are offering. They can hold him to ransom and wait for another team to offer their price.

His 60K salary over 4 years + his 8 mill fee = 20 mill player...add another 5 they want and hes a 25 mill player.

you can say they will get more for him later but players are not an investment if they get injured or end career early due to it.

25 mill all together on last year of his contract for a defender is madness.

Especially for one who wont start everygame.

16 May 2012 10:59:51
This RVP meeting with AW is utter nonsense. He told the club he is highly likely to vacate the club nearly two month's ago. This is why Podolski has been earmarked to replace him. City are ready to make him a large offer albeit not as large as the package being chucked about in the press. Like Nasri he has already had unofficial talks with clubs. Juventus and Man Utd. The club are aware of this and are braced for the offers. Certain posters on here should be aware of this if they are truly ITK.

Oh and that was
ES

Interesting that you will not officially place your initials on this so-called piece of news..

I would be surprised to find him going to another PL club if at all...so lets all check our facts and most importantly our logic before posting

Wenger and Van Persie said they would speak about the contract situation before he leaves to join up with Holland, making what you said a load of crap.

If he leaves it is for one reason and one reason only, that this will be his last big contract and he will want silverware, if he feels Arsene's summer plans aren't good enough then he will go. This is not from ITK(nobody is ITK here) but common sence.

CT

Most people are saying samir nasri left for money, but he won a league trophy in his first season away. Im also of the same opinion of the original poster, podolski is rvp's replacement - and they bought him early only because its cheaper to do it that way.

Wow, Arsene is that you? Please tell us what was said, would love to know. Also why didn't you sign off Arsene, don't you want to take credit for being right? I am sure you haven't made all that effort to type all that JUST for our own good, surely you will want some recognition when it turns out you're right?

NEWSFLASH: this is not true. Well not in the way you're suggesting. The way RVP didn't just sign a new one like Rosicky and Djourou is what told me he might leave.

Also, isn't talking with other clubs unofficially called tapping up?

Also, why would we sign Podolski as his replacement essentially in pre-season last summer (since that's when we've been serious about him) when 1) we think it's likely he'll stay and 2) we have no idea who'd be available both in Jan and this summer?

Just some thoughts.

Raz

Spurs fan talking me thinks.......

I know from a very reliable source that City execs have been meeting RVPs agent most weeks for several months.

16 May 2012 10:26:09
So, as United are getting Kagawa
And, as City are getting Hazard
I would love Arsenal to get a creative midfielder, and not Mvilla....since we have enough cover for DM in Song/Coquelin/Frimp and enough CM in Wilshere/Arteta/Ramsey but we badly need the Fabregars replacement IMO because its Rosicky alone in CAM who's doing a decent job.
fingers crossed for RVP, i think he'll sign a new contract

In Wenger we Trust!!
Eliems

Coquelin is one of the worst DMs I have watched this year. He may as well give it up, unless M'Vila breaks a leg Coquelin won't be playing for the seniors in the next ten years as DM. But he is a class wing back. We need cover in DM badly, as the other day proved against West Brom. So I would say we do need M'Vila. There's no guarantee Frimpong even has a career left tbh with his knees.

The thing we have needed not even since Fab left, but since Arsh started to drop off after xmas last season, we've needed someone else who can come in. Rosicky has never ever been the ACM who unlocks defences and scores loads of goals. We need someone like that.

Eriksen.
Nick.

Disagree, we probably have more than enough CAM just not at the level we would all like.
we badly need another DM, frimpong has had 2 serious injuries and needs a season long loan out, coqeulin is still potential but looks decent and song is quality but moving away from his DM work, we don't have a bad defence but as a unit they have been ripped to shreds this season and at times its been far too easy for opposition teams to cut through us.
diaby/rosicky and even arshavin (he could come back) could play CAM, we have wilshere/arteta are holding midfielders.

My hope continues to be Belhanda and their captain for a combined fee of 25mln.

I recognise this is incredibly unlikely, but one can dream!

It would take our total transfer spending (excluding fees) to over 50mln - requiring a lot of freeing up of wages and players to be sold.

Billybob

You clearly know nothing, M'villa is exactly what we need, someone who will sit in front of the defence and stay there and boss the midfeild like Vieira did, Songs good, frimpong and Coquelin are young, the rest naturally go forward, arteta and wilshire will come back but are better creating than defending. Ox can play CAM as well

16 May 2012 02:22:26
y dont we go for scott dan if we dont get vertonghen, we looked at him before and he left birm to get back into the prem y wound he not leave rovers to get back into the prem + he's a quality player. what do u think ed?

VP.10

Look Scott Dann is an average, average defender. He's been relegated twice in 2 seasons and if that's the calibre of toss people want us to go for then something has gone horribly wrong over the years.

He is not good and not comfortable on the ball.

Scott Dann is muck mate.

I'd rather have luitenant Dann.