Arsenal Banter Archive January 14 2016

 

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14 Jan 2016 22:04:56
Yes cech made 2 mistakes first goal and the last goal.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..still quality though..

14 Jan 2016 22:40:32
That's 4 mistakes in 21 games where as with Szezceney you can switch those stats around.

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{Ed025's Note - your right there G62..

14 Jan 2016 23:05:18
Find the Cech equivalent up front and were champions for sure, few gifts at the back and more goals per chance created and we're credible champions league contenders too.

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14 Jan 2016 23:31:36
Come on G62,
Give Olly some credit.
He has hit 17 goals this season, 12 in Prem and 5 in CL.
He has scored 11 in last 11 away games and this season has scored against Bayern, Liverpool, Everton, 3 against Olympiakos and scored against Man City.

His goals per minute is one of the highest in Europe, even better than Ronaldo, and when he doesn't score, he assists and his link up play is exceptional.

He is improving every season and is only a few goals short of last seasons tally.

I know you are going to mention last night's missed chance, but trust me, I have just watched a clip of the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez and Thierry Henry missing some absolute sitters.

All strikers miss chances, just like all defenders make howlers and all keepers let in silly goals.

For me, he has been one of our best players this season and has hugely contributed to our position in the league.

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15 Jan 2016 06:39:16
Dags I think Olly is great he puts in a shift as good as anyone and his team contribution is fantastic plus his goals per game record is excellent so far this season but to be fair it should be in our side because of the amount of chances created per game.
Will Olly keep going all season this time? I hope so but I don't know, what happens if he gets injured? What happens if he loses form? What alternative do we have to Oly in terms of main goal scorer?
Also rememer Ospina and how many thought he was the business last season, I think Cech has proven what the business really is this season.
Belt and braces this time for me so we're not all talking about in May what we should have done in January again, maybe we don't need any help maybe we have enough already but I can think of 200 million reasons we should do all we can to give ourselves the best possible chance.

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15 Jan 2016 08:33:17
I get your point mate but with Olly and Theo upfront and our "new signing" soon to return (Welbz) , I just can't see Arsene splashing the cash on a new striker.

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15 Jan 2016 08:33:41
Even the little cruyff turn hasn't won the people over! Maybe next time he will have to score with a double sumersault and a back healed volley from 25 yards.
There is No one available better than olly and we have welbeck to come back! Us not winning the league will be nothing to do with the fact that we never bought a striker in January . We don't struggle to score.

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15 Jan 2016 09:36:50
A belt and braces approach would be to offer 80m to juve for pogba, he would bring us the title for sure! Anyhow back to reality.

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15 Jan 2016 11:42:42
I wouldn't say they were mistakes, just saves he is expected to make. Still an absolutely amazing signing though, I was starting to forget the importance of having a confident, calm and collected keeper.

I also agree with Dags about Olly, his link up play is absolutely amazing and the fact that he is also very prolific at the minute (9 goals in last 9 games I believe) just adds to his already vital contribution. It is perhaps slightly concerning that he hasn't ever really got anywhere near 20 league goals in a season, especially when he is a lone striker but I think that's to do with the way Arsenal play when he is the attacking point of focus and as grow bun says, we don't struggle to score.

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14 Jan 2016 21:49:07
Come on Gents, I'm as disappointed as the next man that we conceded in the last minute, but let's look at the positives.

A) we are top.

B) We have kept up a nice momentum, despite a lot of injuries.

C) Sanchez has been out 6 weeks. We have proved we can play without him.

D) We are one of the highest scorers in league and have one of best defensive records.

E) We have 2 players (although need strengthening) for every position.

F) We have just signed a very good player in Elneny.

G) We have Sanchez, Rosicky, Wilshere and Welbeck soon to return.

H) We have money to spend.

I) Man City are not as good as we think they are and are without Kompany for possibly the next few months.

J) Chelsea are out of the race (possibly) .

K) Manchester United are in transition and I don't think will be a threat.

L) Leicester? (With respect) won't last the pace.

M) Spurs look good, but an injury to Kane will ruin them.

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14 Jan 2016 22:11:23
N) Dags needs a night off.

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{Ed025's Note - thats what his carer said NE spur.. :)

14 Jan 2016 22:25:14
(N) Nice post
(O) Open the cheque book Wenger
(P) Play Gabriel before Mert
(Q) Quit whinging people we are doing ok at the moment
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(R) Really need to employ Liverpools medical team, miracles are happening over there with recovery from injuries. Even Lazarus never healed that quick!

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{Ed025's Note - i believe lazarus sent jack wilshire a get well card last week 14.. :)

14 Jan 2016 23:41:19
Lol, you boys :-)

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14 Jan 2016 21:36:09
I think West Ham are really going to miss Andy Carroll :-)

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{Ed025's Note - yeah..like george michael missed andrew ridgely.. :)

14 Jan 2016 21:52:37
Haha, exactly Ed.

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15 Jan 2016 18:27:50
Dell boy.

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14 Jan 2016 20:46:53
I can do a very good impression of an Owl, a Falcon, an Eagle and a Vulture.

I'm a man of many talons.

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{Ed025's Note - groan..

14 Jan 2016 21:44:32
Why are there no aspirin in the jungle? It's just the parrots eat em all.

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{Ed025's Note - is that you dags?.. :)

14 Jan 2016 21:50:57
No mistaking a quality Sussex joke.

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{Ed025's Note - when exactly did this occur?.. :)

14 Jan 2016 21:52:56
Thankfully, no :-)

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14 Jan 2016 19:55:26
Would we want Ramsey to score a few more goals this season at the cost of a few more celebrities? Joking aside we lost two legends in the last couple of days, rest in peace Alan Rickman and David Bowie.

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14 Jan 2016 20:23:09
Absolutely, and Lemmy.
RIP 3 Legends.

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14 Jan 2016 21:46:34
Is that a yes dags? :D

yeah Lemmy too but Ramsey didn't score that day, but a legend.

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14 Jan 2016 21:54:03
Oh yeah, I get what you mean :-)

Can I nominate David Cameron?

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14 Jan 2016 22:41:59
As long as I can nominate Corbyn.

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14 Jan 2016 23:42:16
Definitely C S :-)

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14 Jan 2016 18:21:59
Couldn't see a post on it so thought be interesting to discuss. Paul Merson has criticised arsene for the 3rd sub. Ozil off arteta on. Said he should've got a striker on to go for a 4th goal. What do people think about that?

Me personally think it's a stupid thing to fault as not long ago they used to criticise him for not defending a lead.

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14 Jan 2016 18:49:55
I partially agree with Merson D16. I understand that we don't really want to be so gungho as we used to be, with the two fullbacks still bombing forward, but to take off players who can keep the ball, and even score another, for players who will just try and sit deep, in my view just invites trouble. You hand all momentum over to the other team, who can commit as many players forward as they like, knowing you either won't or can't hit them on the break. Then if you do concede, chances are you get hit again, as you are now so far out of the game possession wise. Its the same with corners. Why oh why do we have all our players inside our own penalty box, it absolutely astounds me. Even if you clear the first, you know its coming back to have to be cleared again. In reality, is Walcott better used trying to defend a corner, or sitting up on the halfway line waiting for a clearance over the top? Same goes for defending a lead. Sure don't over commit, but surely leaving a fast player up front will distract the other team better than all defending deep?

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14 Jan 2016 18:50:50
I think Arteta coming on is the issue as very few fans believe he is anything like an asset any longer, personally I think Arsene is so close to his players especially those who stood by us when others left he wants as many as possible to get enough games to receive a premier league champions medal.
Lovely sentiment but in my opinion wrong.

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{Ed001's Note - I thought they changed the rules so no one needed a set number to get medals now? The clubs just get X amount I think to be shared out.}

14 Jan 2016 19:07:06
Some interesting points here. Seems like it's a situation with both positives and negatives. Although I do agree I can't see what arteta adds to us Anymore. Experience perhaps!

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{Ed025's Note - and great hair D16.. :)

14 Jan 2016 19:38:23
I didn't know that Ed001 so obviously I'm wrong about why Arsene reason in which case I haven't a clue why he insists on playing him.
I feel bad disrespecting a player who took a pay drop to join us and has been very loyal but would he get a game even as sub for Leicester? Or spurs? Or even Sunderland or Norwich?

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14 Jan 2016 19:44:20
If you look at the last goal you see where the issue is. Flaming is already pulled towards Benteke and Arteta then does same instead of holding position in center edge of box blocking both the space and the run of Allen. It's lack of awareness, natural defensive positional sense, tracking the runner and blatant ball watching.
We were sitting back way too deep in the second half. Invited trouble and got it.

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14 Jan 2016 19:49:38
Ask the question why do you take off a world class player, our best perfomer at the moment, who keeps the ball and passes it into dangerous places, is a world cup winner and fit and young, to bring on mini mert. can't run can't tackle and can't pass the ball forwards. Merse was wrong in his statement but right in what he was getting at.

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14 Jan 2016 20:11:36
Sorry mert didn't mean it, you can tackle.

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14 Jan 2016 20:06:23
Gents,
It's all about quick decisions.
Through the history of time, managers take off forwards and bring on DM's and defenders when holding on to a lead.
If we held on, there wouldn't even be a discussion about Mr Wiggy replacing Ozil.

Plus, Mertesucker should have been on Benteke, big lump marking big lump.

And, Mertesucker is at fault, he turned his back when Joe Allen was about to pull the trigger instead of throwing his body in the way.

Don't think you can blame Wenger.
He made a 'natural' substitution, which unfortunately backfired.

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14 Jan 2016 20:33:09
But Dags surely its Arsenes decision not to buy any outfield players in the summer but to give Arteta a new deal that made the problem?

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14 Jan 2016 20:44:51
Viv akkers that's who to blame, he's all ways talking to wenger. You worry about the washing vic not tactics. Well got to blame someone.

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14 Jan 2016 21:03:32
G62,
Wenger definitely missed a trick during Summer Window.
We all knew Mr Wiggy needed replacing, ala Flamini and Rosicky but, we are top of league mate, and at present, Wenger is proving to be correct.
Keep the faith mate.

Lol Steve.

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14 Jan 2016 21:24:36
Very true Dags very true but its also true we were in this position at this time of the season but didn't strengthen when we had the chance, let's hope its different this time for some reason.

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14 Jan 2016 21:34:58
G62,
Agree but this is our season, trust me.
I promise, if we win league, I will happily meet up with you and toast our victory over a few beers.

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14 Jan 2016 21:55:32
If your right mate I will buy the first 10 pints :-)

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14 Jan 2016 23:42:47
And a kebab mate :-)

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14 Jan 2016 17:21:17
Still disappointed about last night.

Can't believe she had a headache :-)

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14 Jan 2016 18:14:39
You need to give yourself a rest dags. I hear a rumour that you are well known in the film industry as Dagenham Dave so how can you complain about last night.

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14 Jan 2016 18:47:41
Haha Raver,
My secret is out mate.
Keep it under your hat though, I have tried but it doesn't work :-)

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14 Jan 2016 19:23:12
It's bad when your right hand gets headache dags.

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{Ed025's Note - i think petr cech had the same problem last night MgM. unusual but could have done a lot better with the 1st and 3rd..

14 Jan 2016 20:15:35
Lol MgM,
I said to Mrs Dags last night "Did you know sex cures headaches? "
She said, "So does Paracetamol and that lasts 4hours".
Oh well, back to my PlayStation.

Ed,
Can't really blame Cech for 1st, was just a good hit by Firmino.
2nd goal yes, bit slow in getting down.

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14 Jan 2016 17:08:02
Nice point below on Ozil*s control

I think the best form of defence is to keep him on as we can't keep the ball without him

we were better with him on the pitch both defensively and offensively

changed the game hi, coming off.

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14 Jan 2016 16:54:23
Red dog I enjoy the banter and I enjoy the opinion. I respect your opinions and I respect your banter, if you don't respect mine don't lower yourself to insults. We may not agree and for me that's fine. i'm not " a sad old moaning git" there's poking fun and there's getting personal. Please poke fun, old, maybe, moaning, definately. Respect it is opinion.

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14 Jan 2016 17:18:34
Steve. r the same should go to that numpty oddbod too. The kid has no class and is completely disrespectful.

Ps how old are you then we can assess how much you are allowed to moan 🤗.

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14 Jan 2016 17:18:37
Steve,

Let me first apologise if you were genuinely offended by my tongue in cheek final sentence, hence the smile attached to it. It was a term my old man used years ago as more of a poke of fun than calling someone a genuinely uncalled for or nasty remark. I think he got it from Steptoe and Son. ;-)

You are a moaning old git but I don't in anyway mean that as an insult mate. Your Avatar is what you want to portray yourself as. Mine is just to annoy you. Lol.

I can agree with a lot of things you and the not so positive posters say but for me it's all genuinely about a balanced outlook. You will more often than not come at it from one side, or add a negative on any minor positive. That's you mate and your opinion.

However we are, despite being depleted, still top of the league, take 3 of the most influential players out of all the other top sides and see how they fare.

Sanchez, Cazorla and especially Coquelin are, make no mistake, big misses. Yes we can roll out the, we only bought Cech line, but we're in the middle of the season and that's history. So stating that Liverpool were depleted when in reality only missing Sturridge and Coutinho of any note, because the rest were no better than our worst is a little one sided to say the least.

We moan when we're fighting for fourth, we moan when we're fighting for the top spot, I want to see Gabriel play next to Koscielny, he is up for it, has done little wrong and for me looks exactly the fighter, almost literally, I want to see on the pitch.

I genuinely hope Elneny means we don't have to see either Arteta or Flamini play again this season and I seriously cannot wait to get all our squad fit.

But being long in the tooth I know all those decisions are made by your mate Arsene Wenger.

So we wait and see what happens, but yesterday was at Anfield with a team under Klopp who despite being somewhat weakened are not going to lie down and roll over for this fixture. How did Chelsea and City get on against them. Does City's loss to them mean they also won't win the title.

I believe like others this squad is capable of lifting the title and have faith they're going to do it.

I think if we went with Cech, Bellerin, Gabriel, Koscielny, Monreal and Coquelin when fit we'd have the best defensive unit in the Premiership.

I'd take Ramsey next to Coquelin with Ozil and Sanchez as shoe ins, I'd leave Giroud up top and keep Campbell out right, leaving, when all fit, Cazorla, Elneny, Chamberlain, Welbeck, Wilshere, Gibbs, Chamber, Mert and Debuchy to fight for places on the bench.

So again apologies if I have offended you. :-)

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14 Jan 2016 17:27:23
There's banter and there's banter. Let's keep the banter at a nice banter level otherwise the banter is not good banter and not good banter is nasty banter and nasty banter is far from good banter :-)

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14 Jan 2016 17:34:37
Fair post Steve and a very top reply Red Dog. very diplomatic lol.

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14 Jan 2016 19:26:40
Northeast,
Don't you like Wodbod? :-)

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14 Jan 2016 19:42:10
Ok red, you make a good point. We are all good now. We all want the same outcome just some have different ideas on howxwe are achieving it.

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14 Jan 2016 19:38:55
Ns wodbod is a strange one ask dags.

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14 Jan 2016 19:55:58
Ns that's personal, I watched the 66 world cup though and the one before, although I think I would have still been chewing rusks. But I can't remember queen victoria.

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14 Jan 2016 21:47:27
Ha ha ha keep up the good banter boys. Football is about opinions from a fans point of view, some people take it far too serious. We are but fans. 👍🏻

#keepitreal

ps Dagers, you know that answer already 🙄 LOL.

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Monaco Show Some Love While PSG Admit To Cavani Troubles And More News

14 Jan 2016 16:22:49
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Monaco Show Some Love While PSG Admit To Cavani Troubles And More News

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14 Jan 2016 15:56:58
Now eleney is done will anymore be joining?

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14 Jan 2016 16:28:32
Lets hope so. Nothing wrong with having a strong team/ squad.

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14 Jan 2016 16:38:13
I've never woken up the next day feeling so happy about a draw. Not because we were lucky, but because that game was a great game. Terrible conditions, Steven caulker as an impact sub striker? Joe Allen of all people with the winner. Goalie howlers. It truly was a great game. I got into a disagreement with a few of the Liverpool supporters about Giroud. I think he's top class. He's quiet, but a great striker. I don't think you all quite have a great team yet. But you have the best chance at winning the league this season. So you better take it! That season 2 years ago still hurts me lol. Good luck boys (and Jenny if she's still here) and what a game.

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14 Jan 2016 18:54:10
Hi TjRed,
It was definitely a good game, for the neutrals :-)
Thought you boys started off like a house on fire, but we did well to get back in the game.
Bit disappointed after we took the lead and we stepped off the gas and dropped to far back.
Definitely one of the games of the season though.

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14 Jan 2016 18:43:13
I like bebteke I think he has great attributes and if a effective striker I think he needs to work on his link up play but he's on par with giroud I wouldn't say either is better well benteke is better in the air.

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{Ed025's Note - benteke could be a good player imired..but he is one lazy sod who is only interested in himself, no where near giroud who is a team player..

14 Jan 2016 14:14:12
That's 1 signing maybe another welcome to the club eneny.

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14 Jan 2016 11:51:59
Just wanted to pass on congratulations to a player who I don't think got enough credit.
Nacho monreal for me was fantastic last night and stopped everything down the right although ibe didn't have his best game.
Not your flashiest player but a real good solid one for me. Good entertainment as well so thanks lads!

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14 Jan 2016 13:03:50
Thanks ShaneK

He's come on leaps n bounds mate, for me he's the best Lb in the league going on this seasons showing but I must say I do like Moreno. boy can he run

What a game eh? Fair result?

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14 Jan 2016 16:29:34
To be fair he has got a lot of credit on here and deserved too.

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14 Jan 2016 18:55:01
He has been terrific this season and deserves his extended contract.

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14 Jan 2016 10:29:55
Many moons ago I was at the England Scotland play off game at the old Wembley. England were 1-0 down and needing a goal. From our vantage point ( a fair distance away ) we could all see Kevin Keegan getting a sub ready, that looked like Andy Cole . The sub was made and a unanimous groan could be heard as it was Emile fecking Heskie. Sad to say felt the same last night when Arteta came on instead of Gabriel or even Chambers . Poor decision which I feel cost us two points. Was at Bournemouth recently and Gab was immense . For gods sake play Gab ahead of the BFG for the rest of the season! Feel disappointed in Wenger this morning and I'm Wenger in. COYG.

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14 Jan 2016 12:39:13
Agree Sussex from what I've seen Kos and Gab with per as backup. For me none of the subs impressed last night, and why take off the most influential player on the pitch (Ozil)

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14 Jan 2016 16:30:44
We can see it why can't he.

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14 Jan 2016 10:10:32
Did anyone notice that sublime piece of control by ozil? Bringing the ball down from behind over his shoulder,
The whole crowd wer singing but when he did this the whole place went silent in awe

👀 Love that guy
Class on grass.

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14 Jan 2016 10:54:41
Yeah, I noticed it too. Fantastic control from Ozil. Thought a draw was the right result last night . Was impressed by Campbell last night, the more I watch him play I think we should hang on to him as a squad player, not sure of stats but he has had a few assists this season, some of which were great passes . As for FlamArt, I'm glad we have signed Elneny as both were not at the races, two players whose best is behind them.

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14 Jan 2016 11:03:12
Yeah it was a bit like neymars control before that wonder goal.

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14 Jan 2016 13:08:22
N14 I must admit too That Campbell is growing on me, he doesn't half put a shift in and you can see by his passes he's very intelligent, he has that footballing brain that Theo lacks. Definitely keep him!

GrowB I know the goal you mean n yes very similar. if only ozil could do the last bit too ;)

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14 Jan 2016 13:59:34
That's been greedy jegooner, Joel Campbell is doing himself the world of good with his perforences out right. You could argue that he might make it his own with a fully fit squad if he keeps it up.

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14 Jan 2016 16:25:25
True 😏

I completely agree, he's a big threat on that right side n does a hell of a job for the team, never ducks out of a challenge n constantly tracking back.

Big thumbs up 👍🏻.

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14 Jan 2016 09:57:47
What a great game of Footy last night and think a draw was a fair result.

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CONCACAF Dismiss Match Fixing Claims While Arsenal Look To Make Signing Before The Weekend And More News

14 Jan 2016 10:13:18
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, CONCACAF Dismiss Match Fixing Claims While Arsenal Look To Make Signing Before The Weekend And More News

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14 Jan 2016 09:18:03
What has everyone made of the contributions from the Ox over the last few months? Appreciate he's been given bit part roles but he's (IMO) in danger of becoming one we could sell. Not contributing much at all to the team.

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14 Jan 2016 09:33:00
Unfortunately the bit part is what's effecting his game, he has stalled or even gone backwards in his development without a continued run of games.

Last night was an opportunity to use his pace on the counter and the chance that fell to him to make a break away when it was still 3-2 his either 2nd or 3rd touch ahead of him he over hit and gave straight to the defender in front of him. He is also not the best defensively, a bit like Theo.

As always regarding selling, if you sold him and brought Ross Barkley would many argue. He is not the best out there in his position so like many other players, you can get better quality.

I like Chamberlain though so would rather sell Arteta and buy Barkley.

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14 Jan 2016 09:43:45
he has not been great i think he needs to play in the reserves to get match sharp, i would suggest if we did not have injuries that's were he would be, he cost us that game last night by not passing that ball on time, it was 90%a goal and would of killed the game of, i was ragging screaming at the tv! he needs to stay of the bloody arsenal tv player/ youtube as well.

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14 Jan 2016 11:19:59
Joel Campbell was bit part and he took it by the scruff and made his inclusion.

Ox needs to do the same.

from the second half what i saw was no outlet. punting the ball out again and again.

we need players on the ball and sanchez and walcott would have been those outlets. sadly neither were playing. and it was pointless having ozil on to defend.

the decision was right to sub ozil, but to play deep for 10 mins was not. anyway a draw is better than a loss.

the next game is stoke and we struggle there so a loss there would be bad. if we win there then we have the momentum going into the chelsea game.

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14 Jan 2016 13:37:34
I hate to say it about the Ox, as he is a fantastic guy who i would love to see do well with us, but unfortunately i am starting to think the time may have come to let him move on and try to re-develop himself somewhere else. A large part of the problem has been his injuries, which have not allowed him to really have a good run and develop as a player, but can anyone really say that he has improved in the last couple of seasons? With Campbell's emergence and possibly Gnabry coming back into the fold, pressure is on for the Ox to step up and make himself first choice, and I really hope he does before its too late.

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14 Jan 2016 15:07:52
The Ox is both a cracking player and person who I really rate, the last 2 seasons he's not played anywhere near as much as he as performances have warranted and he deserved to but this season he's been nothing short of below average at best.
If you look at the Chelsea game a couple of years back when Gibbs was sent off after being mistaken for Ox (shocking I know) but in that game Arsene had to sub Ox shortly after the incident because his head had gone, he's a lovely lad who takes bad games and mistakes to heart and he really needs to learn to cope better with his own failings and move on from them once they've happened.
A loan spell at somewhere like Bournemouth would be good for him IMO under a good man manager who will help him develop on and off the pitch while playing week in week out for a couple of months.

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14 Jan 2016 06:53:02
Gibbs Artetta Mertesacker and Flamini all on the pitch at the end of the game, and surprise surprise we don't hold out for the win.
No one can really think its impossible to find players who can improve us during this window?
Arsene said before the game that keeping this squad together is the important thing so signing new players doesn't sound likely, we have no choice but to suck it and see but if we do fade away again this season it will such wasted opportunity and we're unlikely to get a better one any time soon.

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14 Jan 2016 06:28:43
Reports are that Elneny has signed. I can't wait to see him play alongside Coquelin to provide the long overdue protection for the back four. Arteta and Flamini are simply dreadful. Last night Flamini defended way too deep, often right on top of Mertesacker and Koscielny, whilst Ramsey is an excellent offensive player, but not a defensive midfield player by any means. Last night it came as no surprise that not one of the defensive midfield players tracked Allen's run and it was left to Bellerin to come across in a failed attempt to block Allen's shot. Firmino's second goal, was a tremendous shot, but again where was a defensive midfield player to put pressure on him and deny him the time and space to shoot? The first goal scored by Firmino, also left him ahead of the midfield, with the superb Monreal unable to close the gap, which the midfield players had not filled.
I thought Campbell, Giroud and Monreal were absolutely superb and I am not a huge fan of Monreal.

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14 Jan 2016 12:34:49
while i agree with most of what you said and believe that Flamini and Arteta are past thier best, Wasn't Firmino playing as their striker last night? surely is not flamini responsibility to track the "Striker" as well and the on rushing midfield?

That falls to Kos and Mert as the people who should have been tracking Firmino.

Having said that you are right and i am also looking forward to seeing what Elnen can do in an arsenal shirt.

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