Arsenal Banter Archive September 04 2015

04 Sep 2015 22:01:31
Is it wrong to say that Adebayor might be my favourite Gunner of all time simply for how much he has done over Spurs?

07 Sep 2015 10:57:42
Just going to pretend I didn't read that

04 Sep 2015 15:53:18
As informed by Eds, Bayern president Karl-Heinz Rummenigge today has revealed that they rejected a huge bid for Thomas Muller, most probably from Real Madrid, which would have most likely triggered a bid in turn from Arsenal for Benzema. But it ultimately didn't go through.

04 Sep 2015 14:41:49
"When you start supporting a football club, you don't support it because of the trophies, or a player, or history. You support it because you found yourself somewhere there, you found a place where you completely belong."
Dennis Bergkamp
Good times come and go, think a lot of fans and clubs have lost themselves in the hunt for glory.

04 Sep 2015 15:13:03
Here's a question for u Waq,

If u could have just back back in Henry or Dennis in there prime, which one would u choose?

04 Sep 2015 15:29:35
I agree with some of that Waq but when you care about something or someone and give them your support you want them to be the best that they can possibly be and if the best they can possibly be is 20th and are relegated so be it you don't give up on them but if they are selling themselves short and not doing all they can you are entitled to be disappointed in them and to say so.

04 Sep 2015 15:38:21
At this moment in time Ctr it would have to be Henry for sheer weight of goals because that's what we currently lack.

Mind you I'd kill for a player to score as many as bergkamp atm

04 Sep 2015 15:49:03
Bergkamp for me as he set up so many goals

04 Sep 2015 16:06:58
Bergkamp absolute class on grass in a league of his own the best playerr we've ever had or are likely to ever have. Worth the entrance fee on his own, Henry was unbelievably brilliant but Denis was better, I'll stop now because I'm pining all over again :-( but just to be clear BERGKAMP gets my vote.

04 Sep 2015 16:21:38
Henry all day is the one we need. Bergie amazing but I'd take Henry right now guaranteed goals

04 Sep 2015 20:29:26
Even Wrighty.

04 Sep 2015 22:03:00
To waq1 - Finally a proper fan. Totally agree with Dennis's words of wisdom

04 Sep 2015 22:05:18
Love 'Bergie' but Henry all day long. Whilst typing this, one of my favourite goals was when he took a free kick, nodded to it and said something like "Is that good enough" whilst nodding, loved his positive confident attitude. >>Sigh

{Ed025's Note - henry for me as well DW, best player to ever gace the prem, with dennis a close second and shearer 3rd..

05 Sep 2015 08:28:26
Christopher Wreh for me

05 Sep 2015 10:38:23
Henry any day of the week, apart from bank holidays of course.

05 Sep 2015 10:40:18
Shearer was quality Ed my favourite English striker followed by ian weight then fowler shearer was always up there and never played for the money true great at the game

05 Sep 2015 11:02:42
P.s. You have to laugh, over on the lfc site they're saying Fowler is the best Prem era striker and that Henry had 'better players around him' which made him look better!

Henry, Shearer, Drogba, RvN and more - all better all-round no. 9's than Fowler on a consistent basis.

Perhaps this is the world famous scouse humour you hear about?

{Ed001's Note - or perhaps it is just a difference of opinion? Henry was fed by the great Bergkamp, Fowler had who of that class? As for the rest, you must never have seen Fowler play if you think Drogba was better as a number 9. And to suggest RvN and Shearer were better all-round no 9s is idiotic. Better at some aspects, but neither of them could hit free kicks with his accuracy, neither of them could dribble past players as Fowler could and neither of them had his range of passing which was up there with the best midfielders. It is amazing how few people realise just how good Fowler was, he earnt the nickname God for a good reason.}

05 Sep 2015 12:02:02
Drogba over fowler all day. Henry's goal away at Madrid says it all. The guy could kill a defence on his own

Even fowler would agree. Caragher still has nightmares now

05 Sep 2015 12:20:03
A difference of opinion that depends largely on who you support Id say, which is why I made the point. I don't think many if any non lfc fans would say Fowler, whilst many non arsenal fans would say Henry and many neutrals would say Shearer (despite him not having great players around him).

Fowler was a top player but not the best striker on a consistent basis for me. Perhaps the term "all round" was mis guided, I should have said the others do what Id want from a top striker more regularly. That other stuff (free kicks, passing) is great but the likes of Drogba, RvN, Shearer were more consistent at getting important goals which lead to winning games - which is what I want from a top striker. All three were a constant nuisance to defences whilst also having the clinical finish to make the opposition pay, more often than not. Fowler could do the same on a good day, just not as often from my memory. Henry was on a different level altogether Imo because he could get those vital goals but also provide the magic to create the chances, on a more consistent basis than anyone else.

Fowler would be one of the next best after that group in my book.

05 Sep 2015 19:23:21
Do you feel that fowler is LFC's version of wrighty as in how he was loved by the respective fans. I'm by no way comparing the too in a football sense

05 Sep 2015 08:11:18
No Ronaldo Ed?

04 Sep 2015 09:20:08
I'm still backing is for a top two finish. I think the biggest problem at the club is fan perception, we are the slimest mental notch from bagging 3 goals every time we step on the pitch. We will come good soon. I feel the interlul has come at a good time. We can regroup, start afresh and push on COYG!!

04 Sep 2015 09:50:24
You really think fan perception is what's holding us back Saint?
Nothing to do with those in charge its all in our heads!
If only you'd told us 10;years ago :-)

04 Sep 2015 12:12:41
Maybe not so much perception but blinded to a degree by the intense dislike for Wenger and everything he does or doesn't do, which is no problem with me.

However In Cazorla and Ozil we have two of the most creative players in the league right now but poor finishing across the board has made the first four games a lot more difficult than they should have been. That and a poor decision by a linesman, but hey it happens to all the teams.

So we need all our attacking players including Ozil and Cazorla to start hitting the back of the net. In Ozil, Ramsey, Cazorla, Wilshere, Chamberlain, Sanchez, Campbell, Giroud and Welbeck when he's back we should and, like last season when we did, be scoring a shed load.

There is little doubt with the addition of Cech that will improve again defensively.

We were the 3rd best team, on our finishing position, in the league last year, City already had an impressive squad and with De Bruyne and Sterling they have simply replaced Nasri and Navas, two players not performing with two players they hope will. Otamendi is a solid defender, who by the way Sanchez ran rings around in the Copa America final, because they needed one.

So whilst they have added quality they did not suddenly leap into the untouchable category as some believe. Chelsea are in a little turmoil but I'm sure will rectify that.

Posters ridicule the word cohesion, do City look better now that they have it back after losing it last season with Toure throwing his toys out the pram. Of course they do, they are back with a purpose. That didn't happen just because they signed Sterling at the beginning of the window.

I don't believe that this team is not going to challenge, it's that simple. Could we have done more in the window, sure we probably could, do I see the point in Flamini being here, no not really. People were crying out to see more of Campbell, now he's back in the squad he doesn't even merit a mention. Weird.

The window is shut, Wenger should answer some questions for those that want to know what happened, pretty much everyone of us. Do I expect him too, unlikely I would say. Remember too that ed02 stated a club will approach an agent and ask if their player would be up for a move to a particular club, the player says, "thanks but no thanks" So then you make the big money bid and hey presto, Di Maria.

Anyway the seasons started we are a long way from out of it and I'm excited about the season and what we can do.

Finally, Derby fella check these out, I doubt you've seen them, but when you've had a look, talk to me. ;-)

Ramsey's volley against Galatasaray
Sanchez thunderbolt FA Cup final
Ramsey's volley against Sunderland
Ramsey's sublime volley vs Norwich
Ramsey's dummying two Norwich players before smashing it in the net
Sanchez volley vs City
Sanchez free kick vs Southampton
Sanchez volley vs Anderlecht

It's amazing what you can see when you look!

Ps. Thanks Dags :-)

04 Sep 2015 13:01:20
read my comments i love sanchez he is world class and i'm amazed we ever got him. i doubt we will match his ambition in the end tho.

ramsey i like but he's a centre mid. i repeat a centre mid. but we have the trying to fit in ozil problem

i just wish we could do charity bets on this site via the eds. would be nice for a few to put there money where there mouth is

04 Sep 2015 14:06:35
Wtf has Ramseys playing position got to do with it, is De Bruyne a central striker.

I too find myself amazed that Sanchez came to us with the option to play with Coutinho at Liverpool laid out in front of him. Maybe when he said it was something to do with speaking to Wenger it really was something to do with speaking to Wenger.

Have you even noticed how good Bellerin has become, have you seen how good Gabriel looks, did you see the saves Cech made, did you noticed how Chamberlain ripped the supposed best LB in the league a new one.

No because you never pick up on anything good about your team you are to busy thrapping like a zoo park chimp over any other player or thinking how to get the manager out.

When they organised the protest for outside the Emirates last Wednesday were you in amongst the ZERO people who turned up. Money and mouth and all that.

04 Sep 2015 14:20:00
Lol if that was the case u would be the first looser derby, u literally have no regard for the manager, and even when we buy good players or players to do well its down to them and not the manager? Seriously is this your view on football?

04 Sep 2015 14:33:50
STONER do you really think wenger and the club listen to the fans? no if they did they would of replaced viera and finished top 2 by now.

on sanchez i didn't say him turning down liverpool that's a no brainer i just meant the guy for me is a top top player and could walk into any team in the world. he should be challenging for titles alway.

my point on ramsey is the year he scored them vital goals he was in the centre. the centre. right wing is not his game mate

if you and mystifier want a charity bet then i'm game. name your points gap prediction behind city unless you see us winning it of course.

04 Sep 2015 15:13:05
Derby my point is we have our own fantastic players who can score incredible goals.

As a fan you just seem to be so wrapped up in everything other than Arsenal and a need to get Wenger out.

Do you really think Van Gaal, Mourinho, Pellegrini or Rogers listen to what the fans think. No more than FSG, the sheiks, Abramovich or the Americans at United do.

Everyone of them wants to make the fans happy but they live and die by their beliefs and decisions.

Answer me this too, the proclaimed biggest club in the world, Manchester United, freed up around £750,000 a week in wages on Falcoa, RVP and Di Maria. Have left themselves with Rooney to score goals.

They have millions upon millions in the bank, huge sponsorship deals, why do they not have Lewandowski, Bale, Benzema, Cavani, Lacazette, Muller or Reus in their line up as replacements because I'm sure you would have put your house on them buying at least one of those!

Yet people want to put it on Wengers shoulders that we didn't get any of them.

There is always a bigger picture. Take it all in.

04 Sep 2015 15:42:42
You mention Vieira as we all have over the years and had things gone to plan then Diaby had the ability to fill that void but it didn't happen.

I also think Wenger spent a contract to long waiting for him to get over that injury but it's done.

So apart from Yaya Toure what other midfielder since Vieira left could have replaced him. Who is or are the players in his mould that we have missed?

Where is Chelsea, United or Liverpools Vieira?

04 Sep 2015 16:31:02
Stoner we kept diaby too long. We all knew he wasn't coming back ever.

I do look at other clubs there is life outside of arsenal of course. Man its don't concern me. Man city are the ones to beat hence why I'm saying who good there signings have been.

With manu the fergie factor scares players. They were so good and won so much. Will they get that back anytime soon? No. And lvg has a bad rep amongst some players and word gets round. But arsenal a new manager can push us on but at utd the only was was down. I really think a new approach and someone with new eyes and ideas can plug the gaps.

I honestly believe Chelsea have the answer with Ruben loftus cheek. He will be a top player I think

Liverpool has Gerrard. We havnt replaces viera that's all I'm saying. Just as we didn't replace seaman until now. Why does it take so long plugging a gap

04 Sep 2015 17:23:59
Why does it take so long? Because Arsene won't be wrong simple as that.
Arteta was never a DM for how many years?
But the more people pointed it out the more Arsene refused to do anything about it.
Keepers? Its all got too long and cost too many points before he did anything because everyone kept pointing it out season after season he refused to address it.

04 Sep 2015 17:59:32
Stoner is right though Derby. You want a change of manager, that's your view and you have every right to hold it. But moaning day after day, slagging Arsenal off and raving about how brilliant City are really isn't helpful to anybody and nothing good can come of it. You would absolutely love City to walk the league, and Coq to have a terrible season, so that you can come on here and say I told you so. Now that's a little sad.
As for Ramsey not being at his best on the right, that is not new information. You don't need to keep pointing out, we all know and Wenger knows. But as I have said before, he plays from the right or he doesn't play, because he does not get a game in the centre at the moment, it simply won't happen. His time will come as Cazorla gets older, but accommodating top players out of position is not something specific to Arsenal, it happens in just about every team in the league. Chelsea walked the title with a right back at left back and a number 10 on the left wing.

04 Sep 2015 22:48:06
The Ramsey news is old news of course but its news that has never gone away. He keeps playing him there

Whos Chelseas 10 on the left?

And you couldn't be more wrong Id love us to win the league this year or sooner rather than later. We have waited so long mate

05 Sep 2015 08:14:57
Hazard Derby?

05 Sep 2015 10:00:12
Eden hazard is a left sided player mate. Played there most of his career?

05 Sep 2015 10:48:48
Surely the biggest problems at the club are those mentioned all summer I.e. Lack of quality/depth at DCM and up front? Fan perception is only dampened by those areas not being strengthened again I would imagine. To blame fan perception for lack of progress/success is more than letting Wenger and his board off the hook Imo.

04 Sep 2015 06:34:29
It was pretty obvious, due to his prolonged absence, that Welbecks's injury was more serious than we were led to believe. I understand the secrecy, as any summer transfer negotiations would have been more difficult if clubs knew that we were desperate to sign a forward.
In reality, Welbeck is unlikely to be fit before Christmas, which leaves us with one regular central striker. It seems strange that we didn't keep Akpom, who would have giiven us an option. Now we must rely upon Walcott or Sanchez to cover Giroud. Possibly Campbell as well.
The injury situation is poor, after only 4 matches we are already without Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck & Ozil. Let's hope we get through the internationals unscathed. On a positive note, I watched the Newcastle match for the first time as I missed it due to a holiday and I was pleasantly surprised how well we played, apart from our finishing. The defence looked solid with Gabriel settling in well. Aside from Man City, none of the other usual top four contenders are playing well. LIverpool and Tottenham have gone backwards, whilst Chelsea and Man U appear to have problems.

04 Sep 2015 08:21:00
some fans will still back wenger though always. he was the one who got gazidis the job.

year after year we are mugged off. i'm sick of it. they knew about the operation last week.

04 Sep 2015 08:41:08
Let ramsey play there . Cares more abt scoring goals now😅

04 Sep 2015 00:00:12
Have to agree with what has already been said.

Bad planning by Wenger and the board, bearing in mind they knew about Welbeck's injury.

For me, if we want to have any chance of winning the league, Wenger has to get ruthless and make decisions.

He has to select his starting 11.
Not just who plays, but who plays where.

Look at Chelsea last season, you could select their first 11 and where they played.

Costa up top. Matic DM. Fabregas AM.
Willian RW. Hazard No.10.
One player, one position.

Wenger has to do the same.
He should not alternate Giroud and Walcott as strikers.
Giroud is our only recognised No.9.
Keep Walcott as RW and rotate him with OX.

No more Ramsey as RW..That's Walcott and Ox's position.

Wenger decide. Ramsey or Ozil as our attacking mid, or No.10, just behind Giroud.

Cech picks himself.
As does back 4..Monreal, Kos, Per (Gab) and Bellerin.

Midfield.
Coquelin, Cazorla, Ozil, Sanchez, Walcott (Ox).

Olly up top.

Wenger get ruthless.

04 Sep 2015 09:24:43
I agree with that Dags play your best team and let the players left the starting 11 change your mind when loss of form or injury gives them their chance.
The problem is for Wenger he has Ramsey and Ozil neither of who will stay if not playing regularly so he trys to make it work with both to keep them both, playing your best known 11 names doesn't make a team your right but is Arsene ever going to see it that way or will he insist on making round pegs fit in square holes to suit himself?

03 Sep 2015 22:41:01
Mystifier. Ubi.

Did you see kdbs goal take a bow son.

His dead balls delivery is also deadly

04 Sep 2015 09:03:12
I will take a look when he scores for man city u do know that Sanagoo has more goals for France U21 than Martial?

04 Sep 2015 09:16:50
Martial plays on the wing for them sonogo upfront. martial is 19. sonogo 22

did you know martial is in the full squad now? next question.

04 Sep 2015 11:45:04
I just think u are going over the top with KDB just as u did for Mangala, what happened then? Managala the biggest waste of space for 30m

04 Sep 2015 12:07:21
MANGALA he's currently playing well and hasn't concceeded a goal yet? what you saying

04 Sep 2015 14:22:23
Lol its only 4 games and doesn't look like a rock, if anything its kompany who has found his form. Chambers and Gabriel have played without conceding, infact Gabriel hasn't even conceeded, but you don't like him since he cost only 16m sorry, but does that performance of Chambers fill you with any confidence no right? Last season he was pants simple (Mangala), 30 million, when you were going all gaga over him. So come up with better points next time.