Arsenal Banter Archive January 08 2016

08 Jan 2016 22:23:33
That guy in goal for Liverpool couldn't catch a cold stuck in the arctic.

08 Jan 2016 23:06:50
Played twice and dropped two howlers (Exeter and Watford) .

In fairness, always hard for a 2nd string keeper to come in and play.

Rustiness and all that.

09 Jan 2016 07:54:16
Good point, but I hope he plays on Wed :)

08 Jan 2016 19:00:33
Ed025,
Please go easy on my boy's tomorrow in FA Cup :-)

{Ed025's Note - we always struggle against lesser teams dags...thats why arsenal beat us.. :)

08 Jan 2016 19:14:35
How very dare you Sir, :-)

{Ed025's Note - sorry dags...i could,nt resist it mate.. :)

08 Jan 2016 19:49:18
All good banter Ed.

08 Jan 2016 14:53:48
Yet another slap in the face gor the premier league teams and players. Not one player named in the eufa team of the year. Yet we spend as a league the most money on players and managers. No english players been in the team for years, yet another slap. It does beg the question how long will this sham of selling it as the best league in the world at exorbitant prices will actually last. It may be an entertaining league, but it is farfrom the best and I do think, the boom will be short term unless we start getting more sustained European success and getting the best players.

08 Jan 2016 15:59:41
How about you check out and see where the votes come from, the vast majority, Spain and Germany from Barcelona, Madrid and Munich. I'm all for believing that Iniesta has been so much better than Ozil or Ramos better than Koscielny and James better than Sanchez and Piquet is as overrated as they come.

The highest voting British club was Manchester United with 4% and probably from fans that live outside the UK and who the feck did they have to vote for.

Do British fans like UEFA or do UEFA like us, in a word no. For me they can poke there team of the year up there cheating lying A holes. :-)

Still, it gave you something to moan about so it can't be all bad. ;-)

08 Jan 2016 18:16:58
Got to say your reply is dismissive, I think the best players and teams aren't in England, fact. They are payed over inflated wages and are over hyped. I agree withh your point on fifa.

08 Jan 2016 18:47:30
Red Dog,
If Steve won £10m on lottery, he would moan that he has to give up work :-)

08 Jan 2016 19:31:10
No Dags not work, if i never worked again it would be too soon. Id moan about the crap interest rates though. Hope i don't win the 60 mill tomorrow, I'll make my self ill, moaning about the crappy banks.

08 Jan 2016 19:32:20
Sorry red dog eufa, not fifa.

08 Jan 2016 19:59:47
Lol Steve,
Surprised James Rodriguez is in team of the year.
He has hardly set La Liga alight.

08 Jan 2016 21:40:36
I must say though, it's one hell of a team.
i wouldn't argue too much, most of the players are well decorated and there aren't many £10 mil bargains available from that lot.

08 Jan 2016 13:09:13
Couple of pub topics I would like your trusted opinions on, eds or regulars .
A: if arsene is serious about adding a 40£m plus striker to the squad, then for me lukaku is the way to go, he's a beast, still only 22 I think and prem proven. With arsenals midfield providing the ammo, 30 goals a season easily.
B:if aubemyang (sp) is arsenes choice, because of pace and movement, is this the nail in the coffin for Walcott as a striker, and further down the line as an arsenal player if being a striker is still high on his wish list?
C: is arsene doing a fergie and buying himself the title as a retirement present? If so would love to see 3/ 4 top signings made and see if he can buy himself the quadruple next year! What a way to go!
My choice would be lukaku, bale, carvalho/ krykoviach (sp) and a top centre half.

08 Jan 2016 14:21:11
I am with you 100% re Lukaku Croydon. I don't know too much about the other guy, but he is playing in a weaker league and there is no proof that he would be as good in the premiership. Where as Lukaku is already banging them in the premiership so is already proven. He is young, and already has the game to replace both Giroud (as can hold the ball up with back to goal) and Walcott (has pace) . If we are going to splash the cash on a forward Lukaku every time for me. And re the 4 dream signings as a retirement present, I would show Everton £100m for Stones and Lukaku (sorry Ed25!) and add Pogba and Greizzman, and slip into retirement to the sound of the trophy cabinet creaking under the extra weight, and to Stan Kronkes crying tears over the massive hole in the balance sheet.

08 Jan 2016 15:10:20
What have I missed? Has Arsene actually said he's looking at a top striker over the last couple of days or something because there's been a lot of talk about Lukaku, I've been a bit busy so hopefully I've missed this news?
We should sign and out and out striker who is better than Olly and Theo and in my opinion Lukaku is every bit of that, but I doubt unless I really have missed something its going to happen this window or next, Cech has shown the difference top quality makes and that's what required to win top trophies and we should take notice of that else where too.
I think Arsene feels he has more than enough in Olly Theo and Danny to win us the league this season and only time will tell on that, personally I wouldn't gamble on that again especially taking into account Danny and Theo's injury records.

08 Jan 2016 15:22:24
No, unfortunately G62 you haven't missed anything. this is all just wishful thinking. there's as much chance of me becoming Archbishop of Canterbury than us signing a top striker in this window.

08 Jan 2016 16:51:30
OK cheers Epping mate I thought I'd wandered into another dimension then :-) Lukaku and Stones for 70 million with Sanogo and Mertesacker going the other way would be perfect all round IMO, well if its just fantasy why not :-)

08 Jan 2016 17:51:50
Well surely if your going to fantasize G62 it might as well be a straight swap, with Scarlett Johanssen thrown in for free :)

08 Jan 2016 18:01:45
Good point that Epping but I was trying not to stray to far into Derby's world, lovely as it is I'd like to find my way out again :-)

08 Jan 2016 19:54:43
Gunner i think it will turn out like, higuain, suarez, draxler and all the other targets with a price on their heads, that we can't or won't meet and offer low offers, aboomerang won't be flying in to the emirates. Shame but if we win the league, without a few world class additions, it may be sir wenger next dec. If not, it might be a bit embarrassing at citeh.

08 Jan 2016 09:40:13
Hi Eds suspect Ed 002 is a lawyer with the way he answers questions lol so can you please tell us the exact figure Arsenal have offered for Aubameyang? If yes can you put that figure in your reply? In other words please enlighten us as to the exact figure offered . Many Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - Generally it is best to avoid discussion of finances as it does tend to confuse football fans. You need to remember that the cost of a player is not simply the transfer fee.}

08 Jan 2016 10:20:44
Transfer fee, agents fee, buying out player's contract, FA registration fee, plus a lot more, plus VAT on all of the above.

As Ed said, best to avoid the financial side.

08 Jan 2016 10:08:19
Understandable ed. Are we atleast meeting them halfway for the valuation?

Also the player has said recently that he won't be joining arsenal so no idea what's going on.

{Ed002's Note - Just to deal with Dags first - there is no "buying out the player's contract" separate to the transfer fee. The situation remains as before - Arsenal made an offer as I explained. Dortmund rejected the offer. The player was put on the spot and asked about it - and he said he doesn't wish to move to Arsenal. If there is no acceptable offer then that is of course of little or no consequence. The club will need to step back and consider their position now. Do they make an acceptable offer and then waste time trying to persuade the player only to lose out at the end of the month. Do they add Aubameyang to the pile of players the club has shown an interest in but won't be signing in January (Calleri, Nolito and Batshuayi)? Do they bide their time until the summer? Do they look again at some of the other forwards that they have looked at recently? Do they look around to see if anyone else takes their fancy? What they won't do is buy for the sake of it.}

08 Jan 2016 11:03:17
fair response ed. makes perfect sense thank you.

08 Jan 2016 10:31:01
So to enlighten the confused what are the figures, not just the transfer fee ie what figures do you know have been offered. Genuinely interested and maybe could learn more about how deals are put together COYG.

{Ed002's Note - It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £45M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.}

08 Jan 2016 10:41:35
I really can't understand why us fans are so concened about how much the club will pay. It ain't coming out from our pay-check. We won't players that improve our team no matter what the cost is.

08 Jan 2016 11:15:35
Thanks ed002 clearer now . Dags not interested really in exact figures just wanting to know if we are very close nearish or miles away. I want to know if we are offering £20 mill for a £40 mill valued player where we can again say well we made an offer but it was rejected . Hope we cough up could be a great signing COYG.

08 Jan 2016 12:31:37
Sussex,
Knowing Arsene, you are probably spot on mate :-)

08 Jan 2016 14:09:23
Thanks Ed 002 exactly the information needed and thanks for providing it! Shit don't leave this page you provide more information than all the media put together! Thanks again COYG On reflection glad you didn't give us exact figures don't want Utd C£ty and Chelski stealing him ;)

08 Jan 2016 14:18:37
Soory forgot EDS Moe Gunner I couldn't give a flying **** about the cost of a player but I do care whether we are offering £20mill for a £40 mill player as it shows either a lack of ambition, naievity or blatant stupidity with a bit of a piss take added. If we are offering £35mill then there is optimism a deal can be done and the board and Arsene are serious! Surely we want to know the current boards and Arsene`s intentions with a title at stake.

08 Jan 2016 16:06:27
you were after the same thing as me sussex, whether we tabled a sensible offer or a piss taking offer. but from the sound of it the player isn't especially keen and by the sounds of it he's a bit of a nightmare at dortmund already. so we are probs better off without a player who might cause problems and doesn't really want to be here and move on. but i do hope this shows we are serious about getting a top striker this window.

08 Jan 2016 00:13:33
Gotta say, top banter between RG69 and ED002. Makes for good reading. Wenger retiring, the thought is sort of worrying. Who can replace him, hope we get a good technical minded manager and not a Louis van Gaal type.

08 Jan 2016 06:43:07
Most enjoyable. I think we will have to beg to differ.
However, although Wenger may not remain at Arsenal at the end of his current contract, I do not believe he will retire. My guess, if he decides to depart are that he will go to PSG, after which at some stage he may manage the French national team. Then he may help with young players in under-privileged countries. I doubt Wenger will ever actually retire, unless Ill health prevails.