Arsenal Banter Archive December 09 2012

09 Dec 2012 20:12:45
Lads have to say about the first penalty yesterday , although there was no contact, the intent was there. I am a referee and to be honest I would have awarded the penalty. If contact had been made , Santi would have a very sore leg, possibly broken. It was trying to get out of the way that made him fall, not a dive.
Just a stupid tackle.
Paul Belfast

Yes maybe, but then he rolled around holding his leg. Can you explain that?

The referee had a very good view of the incident & to my knowledge he hasnt changed his mind. So presumably there was some contact, no matter how minimal.

I think it was a case of Cazorla expecting the impact from the defender and to take the tackle and falling over his leg so to speak to try and get the penalty. I do not think he deliberatly set out to dive even if there was no contact. You have to ask how come the defender was soo slow and so bad as to totally miss him. Another theroy is that he pulled out mid tackle knowing that it would be a penalty if he caught him and hence made it look a dive?.

Carzorla Did what alot of attackers would do in his situation, it just looked bad beacuse the defender totally missed his intedended tackle. Cazorla perhaps should have admitted to the ref that no contact was made, but lets be honest who else would do that these days.

For me what is worse is when you get the likes of Ashley Young dilberatly dangle a loose leg out to catch the defenders leg take a swan dive to get a penalty becuase of the made up minimal contact just beacuse they know they are losing control of the ball.

No team can really take the moral high ground on this as all have players quilty of this.

09 Dec 2012 20:00:09
spurs fans on the 89th min "ARE YOU WATCHING ARSENAL" then get beat 2.1 ha ha thats cheered me up best laugh ive had all day ....dj gooner

That is very funny! Just like the constant mind the gap taunts last year

09 Dec 2012 19:01:49
We have lost the pacey, incisive, free-flowing attacks that Arsenal where once renound for. Unfortunately, the team we have been 'building' contains the wrong sort of players to create the football that we were notoriously good at.

Firstly, where the f*** are our wingers? Podolski, Walcott, Ramsey, Gervinho, Arsharvin, Rosicky, Ox - these players are NOT wingers.

Solution: Ben Arfa on the right and Sterling on the left with Wilshere and Cazorla I'm the middle, in my opinion, would re-create the inter changing free flowing attacks. Pacey, technical and well balanced. M'Vila or Capoue should be brought to act as holding - sorry but Arteta again is NOT a holding midfielder.

I could go on and on but essentially, the reason we are not fulfilling expectations each footballing season as of late is the fact that many of our players are either played out of position or are quite simply, not good enough.

Cheers

Tommy Boy

09 Dec 2012 16:41:39
Jesus it is getting bad, Liverpool fans are giving us stick now.

Good luck in the Championship next season "Shak Attack", you sound, um, cool

Paul

The awkward moment when you post this message and arsenal are only 2 points above Liverpool

Shak Attack

No more awkward than the millions you guys have spent to be 2 points below us...........and i thought we were having a bad season.

1404

09 Dec 2012 16:17:55
Diame in January please, release clause believed to be less than £5 million, it would be a start in my opinion. After that I think Landreau on a free is a good piece of business and if possible Huntelaar. We need a new left back to replace Santos as he is a winger and not a full back. I would love to see us sell Gervinho and buy ben arfa but we won't under Arsene as he's too stubborn to admit that Gervinho was a poor signing.

Scottish Gooner

09 Dec 2012 17:03:39
like arsharvinm chamak..squallici, djouru, diaby, etc etc etc the list now every ends

Diaby could have been one of his best signings, how was he supposed to know he would be injured constantly

09 Dec 2012 15:42:06
Anyone want Clichy and Nasri back after todays game?

Both will probably be free transfers after that!

09 Dec 2012 17:01:23
at least they have won the prem league... do its them laughing at arsenal

Might have just cost you the league this year with the 'chuckle brothers' performance today - all the cash, no class!

LOL:) to me, to you! .....chuckle brothers, awesome.

andi

09 Dec 2012 15:33:16
rvp wins another match for manutd
shame on u arsenal board again

09 Dec 2012 14:50:54
Just watching the Mancs fighting it out with Manu 2-1 up at the moment. I have to say old Red Nose deserves all the credit, in my humble opinion they have some average players in that team (as well as some world class of course) but the thing that stands out is how well drilled they are. Every player knows exactly what his job is and sticks to it.

If we could instill this in to our players we would be right up there!

Also Balotelli has just been taken off for a lazy back heel and gone straight down the tunnel on 49 mins, Mancini doesn't take any rubbish.

One last thing I am so glad Na$ri left, that is one horrible little k*t !

337

09 Dec 2012 15:36:14
I can't believe they even started Balotelli, that guy is a total and utter pillock, everything about him screams it.

Stoner

09 Dec 2012 14:28:52
Out of interest, who are people backing in the Manchester derby? My hate for United has been reignited since the RVP saga but City are always the greatest evil for me. Of course I have no incredibly strong feelings for teams other than my own (particularly now as we are nowhere near them), but I can't help my disappointment at City's vacuous rise. Is their empty success worse than our oldest spoiled-fanned ref-manipulating rivals?

Oleg Maputo

As long as rvp wins nothing this season i really could not give a ****

champagne charlie

09 Dec 2012 16:01:42
Personally prefer united myself. gotta give them respect, long time successful manager unlike clubs like chelsea sackin sum1 evry time they lose a game, goog history and fans. players play for the club with heart and desire. i hate them but hate sugar daddy clubs most as they are the ones knockin us back a place every season, i hope one day it can be us and united battlin out again for the title just like the good old days. as for van persie, he did a lot for our club and i dont blame him for leavin for abit ov silverware in his career, he deserves it and is a fantastic guy and player. its not his fault we cant hold onto our stars or he wudve stayed and we wud be challengin

09 Dec 2012 13:29:31
pleased with yesterdays performance, dont want to get carried away we might lose our impotece for the next game.
we showed fight and were chasing every ball the only minuses were gervinho _ sometimes i wonder if wenger is stubborn or stupid, he says he didnt see the penalty decision or foul in every interview - yet he doesnt see the game because every gunner fan sitting within view had their head in their hands with gervinhos howlers. he is talented but isnt the finished article he needs to ply his trade in the reserves to gain confidence.
happy to see rosicky back in the fold, his pace and busy play are a joy to watch he links the attack up so well- ramsey should take note and watch him play it can only improve his game.
the less said about the cazorla penalty the better!
the defence was solid but sagna's fitness was a worry at the end - hope he is ok because we are so much more assured with him at right back.
jack was just awesome, the long break hasnt affected his style the guy just oozes class, need to wrap him up in cotton wool
i still think we need a steely defensive midfielder to give the midfield balance - arteta is doing a good job but he does get caught sometimes and doesnt have the pace to recover.
giroud's work off the ball is quality, needs more service though, he gets into good positions but arsenal's tippy tappy football slows the game down and the opportunity is gone. there were so many passes on for him but the ball was passed sideways not forward - this is something i believe we need to improve on - teams expect us to pass them to death we need to mix it now and then - hopefully jack and santi are the men for the killer pass.

PS - wenger gazidas or whoever, please sort out theos contract and give him the extra 10 grand! he gets better every game - him jack ox gibbs are the future at the club and country, the backbone for success.

GS

09 Dec 2012 12:43:13
I laughed out loud to myself when I heard people cheering when the WBA goalkeeper was rushing to take his goal kicks, after he was taking so long at the start.

Gotta love when the fans get involved. In a good way though.

Nick.

09 Dec 2012 11:29:50
sheesh things must be bad if we are rejoicing beating wba at home due to two pens

4th or not they are not a great side and will probably tail off eventually and finish mid table

thing is we dont create enough as we used to and when we do we dont have clinical enough players to finish off all the time simple....

we tightened up a little defensively and from defending set plays but still some way of being a top side again

kcider

You cant compare west brom of last year to this year. Fact is, they have beat chelsea this season, and we have beat west brom, all in all its a good win. What the f**k do you want us to do? Beat them 10-0 with 8 40 yarders?

Get a grip

09 Dec 2012 10:45:52
To the person that responded to my Walcott post.
Walcott has been offered £75k per week and you are not comfortable with that i take it?
Are you more comfortable with bendtner on £52k a week then?
One plays and scores for us and one talks about it a lot, would you not agree walcott is worth twice bendtner? or perhaps squilacci? or maybe djourou?
Yes you might find the odd decent player in europe on less money, but if they show any real talent, how long will it be before someone offers a massive pay rise to them?
How long before city or chelsea start throwing £150k at jack, happy to lose him to?
The apathy to our decline is hard enough to accept from the club but heartbreaking to see from our fans.
Moral high ground wins you nothing, the market value will determine what you need to pay to compete and win games, otherwise get use to being excited beating teams like west brom and hoping refs ensure we get the 3 points.
Ike.

Thought Walcott was already on 75K and been offered 85k to stay

09 Dec 2012 08:45:51
Overall pleased with the performance. Our defence was absolutly solid. Midfield dominated possession for most the game and our attack created quite afew chances. Regardless of a dodgy penalty we deserved to win. Gervinhio could have scored or assisted afew and Podolskis incredible miss at the end. Overall everyone played well, even Gervinhio. He looked Sharp and made some great runs, such a shame is decision making and final ball are both so poor.

Also glad for Wilshere who showed why he's going to become our very own Gerrard. Insane work rate made him stand out more than anything. Still think we need a CDM. Arteta doesn't fill this role well enough for a title contending team.

Detroit Gooner

Think the most impressive things yesterday was one we pressed the ball when WBA had it and the players were very motivated to win and were fighting for everything. Cazorla penalty from were I was sitting it looked a penalty, but I haven't seen it on TV. Was it a pen or not? Downside we did give away a lot of free kicks around our penalty box.

Bergkamp's apprentice

09 Dec 2012 10:49:05
Have to agree with pretty much all of that, a quality CDM is a must next month, it would allow Arteta to move up and help us with rotation and cover for Diaby who only god know's when he's coming back and for how long.

We have to keep in mind that in truth the team has yet to fire on all cylinders. Jack gets better every game.

We have to build confidence for January and the big games in that month, that means no room for a step back now. This team playing with real confidence can do things. I don't care what any one says, selling RVP must of depressed the squad on so many levels. To sell a serious chance at the title for £24 million was total bollox, more so to make that team of sows ears (utd) look like a silk purse is even more sickening!

Gervinho has scored goals but still falls short on lots of fronts, so many times yesterday he delivered to late for Giroud's runs.

The window is going to be so important, Walcott is going and splashing the cash isn't what it's all about if you already have a title winning squad, but do we yet, we all know we're short so this time splashing the cash is fricking important.

So yesterday was good overall, we stopped a team that was doing well from doing naff all, I dont care if Santi did a triple Salco, we won. He know's it was naff and won't do it again.

Stoner

09 Dec 2012 00:29:30
I have always agreed that walcott was to inconsistant and did not develop quickly enough, however he is now one of our better players and showing the potential seen 5yrs ago.
He is good, not great and certainly not world class, but good.
And now, it looks like we can not even hold on to good players. Not world class like cesc and rvp, but good players.
Where and when will this end?
Arsenal and fans talk about sustainable business, how is it sustainable to sell any decent player you have?
Even the silent fans and AKB followers must see that this will end in disaster, its only a matter of time before they start touting JW to man c or chelsea.
A march of 2000 barely scratched the surface, the voices of 60,000 need to let AW and the board know that enough is enough.
Ike.

Maybe because this good player want great player wages? More than world class player of cazorla.

Agree with the reply above. We can't make him our highest paid player, who I think is Podolski at the moment on 90, it won't be good for the dressing room. If a player who has been at the club for 6 years and is still only 23/24 (therefore arsenal developed / possibly made), who wears the number 14 shirt and still is holding out for an extra 10 or so thousand a week, then I think we should be questioning him and not AFC.

Josh

If Podolski is on 90k then Theo should get that too, if not more as he has been with us longer.

337

08 Dec 2012 23:50:23
If we look at the positives so far we are the only team still in all the competitions so personally we aren't doing too bad.

Resign Theo and add a few players in January an we're on for a good season

Re-sign or Resign? 2 very different meanings

All well and good being in all four competitions but we need to make the most of this position and win something, don't think I can handle another fortnight of being knocked out of three comps!