Arsenal Rumours Archive March 19 2012

19 Mar 2012 18:35:51
i have it on good authority arsenal have made a £28 million bid for MARIO GOETZE .
dave.w

Try adding another 10m on to that mate...

G95

Will be rebuffed straight away as the summer bid was 35 mill. Why should Dortmund sell for less now? He wont move yet is my feeling. Hope you are right Dave as he is much much better as Hazard.

Really?

Less than we bid last time though?

I'd love to see him arrive at the Emirates whatever price really, we are crying out loud for a decent goalscoring mid, in my opinion. Somebody who is as good as who we have but in addition scores goals too.

That and another striker and i'm sure we could be top2 instead of top4

CS

A bid has been made and after this season he has 2 years left on his contract,i did not say it was accepted,but a starting bid has been made!
dave,w

Gotze is a genius. Him, Chamberlain, Wilshere, Frimpong and Coquelin could be a dominating midfield in Europe for the next 10 years.

Gilo

Hope you are right Dave. But word in Germany is he wont be sold until 2014. He was injured anyway perhaps his pricetag went down. But doubt it.

Arsenal4ever

Well...maybe they have, whether it is accepted or not is a different matter ofc.

I hope this is a sign of intent though...
I think he would be a great signing for us. lets hope so.

28 mill is a fantastic starting bid.

No chance

For those who thought we bid 35mil last summer... that is untrue. we actually only bid 20mil.
Waq

How can we possibly have bid for him when the transfer transfer window is not even open yet? I'm surprised none of the Eds have picked up on this. Sydney Gooner {Ed003's Note - Bids can be placed/agreed at anytime but the player cannot actually move until the window SG }

So why is it that clubs don't actually place bids before the transfer window is open?

Sydney Gooner

Are you sure we didn't add Bendtner to sweeten the deal?

20 Mar 2012 11:23:07
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kicker.de%2Fnews%2Ffussball%2Fbundesliga%2Fstartseite%2F557190%2Fartikel_40-millionen---wahnsinnsangebot-fuer-mario-goetze.html

now tell me again 35 mill are untrue! Kicker is the most reliable sports paper in germany!

The gent above me could be right, Germany would suit bendtner and Dortmund have striker issues where barrios and lewandowski have both complained over playing time and I think they'd take bendtner to be honest (with around �25-30m)

D

Im not sure who your source is Dave, but from what i understand, Dortmund would be willing to sell the player if they received a substantial amount. Beyond that i know nothing about the situation.

My only logic to all of this could be that wenger wants to wrap up the deals early coz of the tour in asia and africa.

Lol bendtner for 25 million? hahah...now ive seen it all

Bendtner would be awesome in germany, would definitely suit him. just look at mario gomez he aint all that

25 Million bottle caps. Seems pricey!

CS

I believe the comment above was simply saying that it'd be Bendtner PLUS 25-30M. Not that Bendtner is worth 25M (unless you think he's valuing Goetze at 50M, which I doubt).

Such wasters thinking you made a bid for Gotze! Would you all cop on and stop with the crap rumours! At least if you are going to make up a story, try something believable.... like Heskey or something to sign!
DAS!

Das! what's your allegiance? so people can pick at you.

Gotze will NOT leave dortmund dis summer .... FACT

19 Mar 2012 14:18:05
Can the eds or anyone tell me the situation with Huntelaar? He is a great player but u dont hear much about him in the transfer rumours (unlike podolski, hazard etc). When is his contract up and is he keen to leave Schalke? Thanks

Marty {Ed002's Note - I understand he is open to hearing any offers made to Schalke, but they certainly do not want to sell as it is going well for him in Gelsenkirchen.}

Thanks ed. I just watched a replay of Schalkes latest game and he is definately is world class. The commentator said he has a �20million get out clause. Him amd Holtby both scored a great goal each. Would love Arsenal to take both of them with a 30 million offer...Schalke are in some debt atm so might accept.

Marty

19 Mar 2012 14:00:07
Thoughts with Muamba. Football is irrelevant in times like these. The kid is 23 and has way too much to live for. Best wishes with him and his fam.

The Medical unit, all 21 others players on the pitch and the Spurs fans were all class yesterday...Muamba had 40,000+ family members at the Lane praying for him...and that folks, is what binds us all together..

compassion for our fellow man....

Get well Fabrice...

US Gooner

Well said U.S. Gooner.

who pressed disagree? geez get a life and grow up.
LG

19 Mar 2012 10:31:55
Consider the following squad for next season:
G: Szczesny
RB: Sagna & Jenkinson
LB : Gibbs & Santos
CB: Vermaelen & Koscielny
CB: Mertesacker & Djourou
Mid: Song, Frimpong, Arteta, Wilshere & Coquelin
Mid: Rosicky, Ramsey, Abu Diaby, Walcott, Ox & Gervinho
Att: RVP

Plus youngsters.

That makes 21 players, plus youngsters.
Assuming we sign Podolski, Vertonghen & Mathias Suarez, we will also need at least 1 keeper. making 25, including some 'underage' 1st team players.

Vertonghen would be a fine signing as he can cover defence as well as LB & Podolski would also cover central & wide attacking positions.

The following need to depart:
Almunia, Fabianski, Mannone
Squilacci & possibly Djourou (I would sell him!)
Arshavin, Denilson, Benayoun, Lansbury
Chamakh, Park, Vela & Bendtner.

Is Lansbury a definite departure? The last I saw of him was a cracker he scored for England against Belgium...

Henri Lansbury will be 22 later this year. He would have to be named as one of our 'overage' 25 man squad next season. I cant think of a single player that has been sent out on loan until they were approaching 22, before they played for Arsenal. The truly talented players, such as Walcott, Ox & Wilshere, play at Arsenal regularly well before they reach 22 years of age. Will he be part of our squad next season? Absolutely not, he simply isnt good enough.

Lansbury is a fine player, strong and clever and getting better ... keep him.

Park is untested as yet and by all accounts unfairly so ... Van P's non injury season has ensured this, so keep him.

Mannone has gone on loan to give him experience and, again, by all accounts is a fine keeper ... no point in discarding him before trying him out properly especially just to go out and get another keeper.

The rest, well I agree.

I agree that Lansbury should be given a chance in the squad. Only sell him if he wants to go. He seems like a proper arsenal fan aswell as a player, and the kind of guy who would give his all in games. He always seems to be trying everthing to get in a position to make something happen, or score a goal. Despite our quality midfield, this instinct to get in the box is something we lack maybe. Whether his quality is enough in the end I'm not sure, and Wenger doesn't let his heart rule his head if a players technique doesn't look up to scratch. I like him though, and hope he fills his potential at Arsenal!

The first poster beat me to it!

Lansbury looks absolute quality.
Neat passer, physical player, fairly quick and not scared to put a shot out, , for me he needs to be in the team next season.

Agreed, Lansbury is certainly one for the future. He will be a great, great player in a couple of years. He's already one of the standout performers in the U-21s and was better/more effective than Chamberlain in that Belgium match, in my opinion... :-)

Agree with above post, Lansbury should stay, everyone else I'd be happy to see go. A decent cover GK, Vertonghan, Gotze and I don't think it would be the end of the world if we didn't end up signing Podolski. Think we could do better to be honest, rather have Matias Suarez. All that and I'd call that a successful summer transfer window!
W12Gooner

Podolski signing looks like it might be 50-50 now, saying he wants to play for Lazio aswell....obv the lad hasnt got much ambition if thats the case!

Vertonghen is not needed.

I would rather money is put to work for a world class CAM.

Billybob452

Very scant cover in the striking department with this squad. If RVP and/or Poldo (assuming he comes) are out then who finds the net?

ClockEndClockEndGiveUsaWave

I dont get the Lansbury love in! He will not return & play for the first team. He simply is not good enough and he is 22 in October! If he was good enough he would have been in our squad this season. Simple question, would he be in the 1st team squad of any of the top 4? Sometimes I fail to understand fellow gooners comments. You may like him, but he isnt the quality we require.

To see people bigging up:
Mannone, Lansbury & Park is laughable.
They are mediocre at best.

Well Mannone I can't say i've seen enough of... Park either but Lansbury I definitely have.

He would make an excellent squad player if he was getting regular games but he isn't exactly setting the world alight.

Debatable if he ever will so I can understand the comments from both sides. Have to sit on the fence on this one i'm afraid - he could go either way given time and games but I personally think he is never better than a squaddie

CS

I took part in the 'Lansbury love-in', and I'll stick with my positive opinion of him despite the negative arguments.

Don't quite get your point about his age. He might not have the natural brilliance of Wilshire, or the immediate potential of the Ox, but they're special players. He's still under contract with Arsenal because he's talented enough, no other reason! I had high hopes of JET, but he was shipped out when it was deemed he'd reached his potential, yet Lansbury is still out learning and impressing.

The biggest reason I hope he stays is that despite being a good technical player, his 'quality', as its been put, lies in what he'd bring mentally. Take Nasri; brilliant, but always playing for himself. Also Diaby; amazing on the ball, but doesn't ever look like he knows what to do with his skills. We've had a midfield that is all too happy to be brilliant when its dominating the opposition, but sometimes ducked out of important matches that aren't going our way.

This season I've been really enjoying our cohesiveness in midfield, how everyone seems determined for the cause and genuinely organised. Arteta is not as good as Fabregas by a wide margin, but yet our midfield this year has been consistently better than in previous years. Its that attitude that is just as important in the end. Utd will win the league this year with a poor and aging midfield compared to Citeh. I think this team we're building has the potential to marry the right attitude with the quality technique, and Lansbury is definately the type of player that'll do that.

Whether he is better than other options isn't for sure yet, but does he have the potential to be? definately. It's not 'laughable', I don't see where such a shoddy argument fits into this. Mannone is having a brilliant spell at Hull, playing every game. Keeping the number of clean sheets he's kept in the championship isn't mediocre calibre by a long way. Szczesny had a similar spell at Brentford before busting into the first team.

We can't have a first team with 4 wilshire's. or buy 4 Goetze's. Quality in midfield is about balance, in all areas of the game.

Ned.

OMG

Aside from all the drivel I have read on here today, this is like a golden nugget of sensibility!

Well done Ned a decent response. I'm sure if Lansbury keeps working hard he will get some chances to play, and who knows if he gets a run he may surprise us all.

Totally agree with the point of players who play for themselves / the 4 wilshires / balance in midfield. There seems to be alot of FIFA playstation team dreaming on so this was a breath of fresh air!

CS

Cheers CS! The club have been hoping for good things from Lansbury for a few years now I think. It's a shame that Allardyce is managing West Ham, as he's not going to get much of a chance with the run in to promotion, but I suppose there's things to learn from him too. Aswell as buying the best talent, as a club we need to be producing good English talent to make it at the top of the game. Now's the time that a generation of kids are coming through that have spent their whole careers under Wenger, learning the skills as he has wanted. It's exciting to hope that, with Wilshire coming through, we could start creating real world class talent at the club as Barca and Ajax have been doing for years. Here's dreaming anyway! Ned.

On the Lansbury argument. I mentioned his age, because Arsenal midfield players tend to come through early because they are special. The word 'special' & Lansbury, dont go togther. There is a reason that no offers have been received for him. Our current crop of midfield/attacking midfield players are far far better than him. Would you pick him ahead of Wilshere, Ox, Arteta, Song, Frimpong, Coquelin, Abu Diaby, Rosicky, Walcott, Gervinho, etc. That makes him 11th in line at the club! He is similar in talent to JET, they obviously have talent, but not at the level to be an Arsenal first team player. I suggest his contract was extended in order to obtain a fee for him, as well as a sell on clause in any sale contract, just in case he makes it. His wages have been paid while he is on loan & if we obtain a million or two, plus a possible sell on fee, it helps us financially. You only have to look at David Bentley to see the financial benefit of such a stratedgy.

19 Mar 2012 07:51:25
what do you think about berbatov joining us? {Ed025's Note - i cant see it mate...utd will want in the region of £20m for him, and i cant see arsene paying that sort of dosh for a 31 year old..

If United are willing to let him go why would we want him? Last time we took a player from them he lost us about 8 points then left!

Rubbish I hate united cast offs even Berbs plus he is an ex spur!

CS

I can't see any team in the world paying �20 million for a 31 year old who doesn't play. In my opinion all due respect to Ed I can't see anyone paying �20million for Berbatov. He never even gets a game.

Bermy Gooner

I think Berbatov's contract expires in the summer. If he is free, we should sign him. Nevertheless I don't think he would want to be with Arsenal and sit again on the bench.

19 Mar 2012 05:59:41
I am so shocked to see how many people are willing to believe the words of this Javier Perez over their own voice of common sense.

You know, if you really thought it through you would come to a rational conclusion about the man. In fact I can help you to see the light here. Please read on:

The man has released over 100 different rumours for different players at different clubs over the last 5 years (my source is good old google here, so you can check it out yourself if you are smart).

Occassionally he gets one or two of these guesses right. Does this make him a reliable source??

In comparison, I have been betting money on football games for about 3 years. I have probably made in excess of about 100 bets. In that 100 I probably won money on about 30-40% of those.

Does that mean that I have insider knowledge? No of course not, it just means I have a good calculation of risk system that seems to be working at the moment.

This Perez guy, of course he doesn't have connections within the club - do you think for a second if he was told something in confidence, and he went and put it out on TWITTER that he would then get any more information??


Of course not! We know this deep down, the guy is just a football analyst trying to be some sort of magic oracle. It begards belief people think he has a finger on the Arsenal pulse because a few of his many many predictions came off.

Seriously, the fact he uses his twitter account as a medium to communicate this just proves he knows bugger all. I mean any person can get a twitter account with as many followers as him, he barely has any real following at all!

So I guess what I am saying is this: We are all intelligent human beings with minds of our own. Why put so much faith in the words of somebody who is nothing more than a gloried reporter for other peoples rumours, who manages to market himself as something more.

I remember when he 'got Gervinho' yeah well he also said we were going to sign about 10 other players. Pretty sure he said that Nasri was staying too!

So his inside info? He missed Clichy going, he missed Oxlade-Chamberlain coming, he missed Arshavin going, he misses practically everything! But he gets 1 in every 100 guess right and suddenly the guy is like Jesus his word is gospel! LOL

Seriously let's just read the rules (as I just did) and realise that NO pre-contracts are not legal in the way he has said. And also that his predictions don't mean sh!t.


That is all :) Good morning Gooners

CS

He has the same amount of information as the sun. Link upcoming players with big clubs and you are sure to get something right.
I'm going to make a prediction, either this summer or next summer, Neymar will move to either Madrid or Barcelona.

oooooo insider knowledge

Neymar, will sign for Barcelona.

18 Mar 2012 22:07:48
To those who are doubting Javier Perez's credibility I have been following him for well over a year and he got hold of the Gervinho and Mata transfer negotiations months before any other source. He clearly does know people within the club. Regarding the pre-contracts people seem to forget that BVB have signed Reus on a well publicized pre-contract and no legal issues have been presented. Do not see why Ed seems to think it is illegal, as it is not tapping up, and Anderlecht and Schalke are well aware of the deals made.

Row Z (would appreciate a response)

Who cares? This argument has gone beyond boring. We'll find out in a few months who is right and who is wrong. But for now just give it a break.

G95

Javier perez seems to have reliable sources in the past and prooven so why not now?

real-goon

How are people working out he is a reliable source?

As far as I am concerned he said about 250 different things about 250 different players.

About 5 he got right, and as they say if you throw enough sh!t to the wall some of it will stick!

Maybe he does know people inside the club, but at the end of the day it's not like he is Wengers best mate is it?

I say he is just good at marketing his own guessing work and good at making the fans give a toss about his speculation.

I mean look at the players we have been linked with through him in the past! Google search his name and arsenal then 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and you can see for yourself.

The guy is nothing more than another journo publicising himself as they all love doing.

He doesn't know any more than Gary Lineker and Alan Hansen do on MOTD, and we all know that is not much!

CS {Ed002's Note - To answer the first poster. Go read the regulations - Reus has signed as part of an agreemnt between the clubs - Perez is saying it is acceptable to for a player to sign a pre-contract. It is an absolutely hopeless discussion as clearly a number of the posters cannot grasp even the basic principles. I suggest you take all of this discussion to your buddy on Twitter.}

I should add, the no lifers are the guys like perez spending their lives releasing idiotic rumours like Del Piero to Arsenal, not just general users like that Guy Who Capitalises Every Single Word And Uses No Punctuation So Don't Get All Woman Catty Please!

CS