Arsenal Banter Archive July 12 2013

12 Jul 2013 21:34:48
Cannot believe Wanyama ia gone to Southhampton! I no he's not a world beater or anything but at 22 he would have been superb back-up with an eye for the future! We could have even loaned him to Southampton! It'll be one we regret I am certain of that! And the Saints will make an easy 15mil in a year or two time

Sheeny

12 Jul 2013 21:33:40
Hey guys just wondering anyone know anything about this Brazilian lad Bernard were linked with left sided mid? Eds any truth in this rumour? {Ed027's Note - don't know nothing about it mate, I would find it very odd if we signed him, it seems to be another Ganso to Arsenal type link

Cheers ed haven't heard of the bloke before and he is quoted at 20 million for a twenty year old just didn't seem right {Ed027's Note - yeah I think it's bs

13 Jul 2013 02:53:58
He is actually very skilful plays for atletico meniero he is pretty f***ing good with great potential. check him out.
Lebanese gunner

12 Jul 2013 21:17:45
this is enough at least my patience is gone. no big signing, even swansea (no disrespect for swan fans, I also like the way the club plays) wilfried bony for 13 million.

at least all top 10 clubs have signed players. are they fools they have signed now rather waiting when the window is about to close.

well fa has increased the epl transfer window till 2nd september 2013. still time is there, but as the time flies the players have option not 1club but other clubs as well, when they r not able to sign their no. 1 target they will best look who the no. 1 target of the rival clubs. then u know guys what happens. (mata) somehow I have this feeling that man city will sign higuain as pelligerini likes to play higuain as he did when at real madrid. it was higuain best season scoring highest number of goals if compared with other seasons. also he said yesterday he will cut short city spending. and if this happens I will stick my boot on wenger face and shine it with his ***

gooners c'mon we need a protest if we don't sign any world class players. suarez is world class but is not disciplined. why does wenger is always up to mischief. why not make it simple, pay the money and wages. we have the money, couple of millions won't effect us, does it? or our club does actually have the money or not?

Stop being a pillock and go and support another team if you want transfers immediately.
Arsenal don't need pathetic fans like you you sound like a little kid rolling on the supermarket floor because your mum won't buy you a barbie.
COYG

I'm finking use not liking Arzenals verry mutch. Yezz lettz all get owt there and protesting. I'm finking you maybe got plenty of time so you start it off and we all come and meet you outside the delhi near Holloway tube station ok my friend.

12 Jul 2013 20:45:47
If Gazidis is on the tour of Asia - who is doing all our transfer business? At a time when we need him talking face to face with potential players and their agents, he is thousands of miles away on a jolly-up.

13 Jul 2013 08:23:37
Emails and a guy name law. he needs to be there for networking and possible endorsements. Money is the only reason they are there. Km

12 Jul 2013 20:16:49
I see quite a number of posts saying we won't spend big this summer, etc. You could well be right. But I think its too early and without any choice, we have to wait and see.

But to my main point. tbh I am fed with reading or even hearing on the radio now, the 'conspiracy ' around appeasing fans, with fake bids, etc!

I think it has nothing what so ever to do with the fans- but the transfer policy of the club, or wenger specifically not paying more that what *he thinks* (not the selling club) a player is worth.

On one hand I kind of get the conspiracy stuff, but at the same time I don't at all (someone can perhaps explain it to me).

1)Season tickets have already been renewed for this coming season (if you don't have one- I ask you to *try* and get one!).

So that theory doesn't quite work, does it?

2) Or they are keeping the fans "happy" by making bids on top quality players, they actually have no intention of buying!

Yeah that will really keep the fans happy- not! So how does that work?

Ok- So they think the fans are so stupid that when it comes to May next year and IG says again, expect a big summer, 100's of millions war-chest blah, blah- the fans will be great, let me renewal my season ticket asap! Cause look at all those top players we bought last season (assuming there wasn't any)!

No - fans buy season tickets because we love AFC, as simple as that. That's the only motivation.

And they know it- no wenger may try and justify not buying certain players, but frankly he believes in his philosophy and his way of working and I don't think he really cares what the fans think.

Which brings me to the conclusion that fans are flattering themselves, if you think they go to these lengths to deceive us, to in some way 'string us along'.

I honestly and sadly don't think they care enough.

wengers agenda and principles are the main reason we miss out on top players (at least in today's market) imho.

I wish I could say he has to stand by his decisions/philosophy, but he doesn't - does he?
LG

Your argument is sound season ticket are already sold. just paid mine. I really hope they know what they are doing because the stadium was evil for some games last season. Wenger can't want that atsmosphere for the team, Jack will want out and the world will end. I do think he knows what he is doing. Because the alternative is he's out

Your argument makes some valid points but at the end of the day is ridiculous.

1st of all the talk about signing new world class players and how much funds is available starts before the season ticket renewals usually. We are most often that not given false information about our summer intentions before the renewals begin.

2nd if you think it is Wengers mentality that holds us back on transfers, based around his interpretation of the word value. Fine, but at the end of the day your valued at what the selling club decides is the minimum they expect and the ability of the negotiation staff not what the buying believes. In TODAYS market you can't get world class bargains, you can but their rare.

Our recent transfer policy has been shameful when you link it to season ticket prices.

End of we pay enough to expect transfers. nuff said. We pay sooooo much and yet we get so little back. IF Arsenal fans shared Wengers belief's on value none of us would renew our tickets.

Bournemouth Gooner

12 Jul 2013 19:00:33
As said we have about 70m to spend. We as fans need to realise (some already know), that we shouldn't go about spending that money stupidly. What Wenger has done in the past couple of years is amazing, if we had been spending money like Liverpool, well we would be like Liverpool. We are doing well considering the circumstance, but this is the time for Wenger to spend this money. Personally, I think buy Fellani and Higuan and any keeper better than we got right now, and we are more likely to win trophy next season, hence getting the money we spent back. You need to spend money to make money sometimes. Spend 70m to win the premier league, you get more back in return in money and commercial deals that will flood in.

Wenger is actually sitting on almost double the reported 70m

12 jul 2013 18:10:15
dont believe the hype
is it me or does anyone else feel that we are being missled into believing that we are gunna make massive signing just so that we start snapping up season tickets. i mean come on guys arsene wenger is one of the tightest managers around and highly intelligent do you honestly believe he would pay 40 million for a player that is banned for a quarter of the season with a uncontrolable temperment ( suarez) or a player that spits his dummy out when played out of position (rooney) and players that want more than 90 grand a week, i feel the board is pulling the wool and even if we do have money to spend it will be spent sparingly not with a gunho attitude we will sign players for sure but not to the scale we as the highest paying fans around deserve. my opion get tight stan out bring in the russian

He is banned for 6 games. Suarez as part of a front 3 with Giroud and Walcott will be deadly. Wenger has dealt with players with worse problems than Suarez has. He is world class.

Agree totally sick of the lies from board and manager

A new player profile has been created on Gonzalo Higuain

12 Jul 2013 16:54:47
For get all the rumours about these strikers it will drag out and we will get benteke in the last few days

I honestly can't see that happening.

12 Jul 2013 16:24:50
real madrid just signed a guy for £34m surely they wouldn't spend that much without someone going?

Wow was he really worth £34 million though? why didn't they just pay for Saurez.

PdotY

No he certainly wasn't worth that much. And with money to throw around like that, it's unlikely we'll be bowing to any proposed fee increase demands for Higuain, because they clearly don't need that money! I can see us refusing to pay for Higuain purely on this basis, which is a massive shame. Madrid are an embarrassment to football with the money they throw around.

12 Jul 2013 16:14:16
Im not exactly sure what is going on in madrid, obviously as I am not ITK.

but Spending 39mill Euros on a U21 spanish national, and 34Mill Euros on Isco another U21 spanish national

thats arsenals 70mill quid budget right there, with both being buyout clauses, the full amount must be paid i'm guessing.

Also at this point I am seriously wondering about the interest madrid may have in Suarez.

If Ancelotti can convince Higuain, unlikely considering he wants to leave, and even if he does leave, perhaps they don't see Suarez as that figure.

we all know how controversial suarez is, and for the battering Madrid took, during the mourinho era, i'm guessing they have learnt their lesson, and would prefer the non-controversial figures.

some reports say they have turned down Ibrahimovic, who was willing to take less money as they found his personality a conflict of interest. quoted price 20mill euros - pocket change for them at the moment.

Perhaps madrid are actually going to give their youngsters Alvaro Morata and Jese a chance behind benzema, if they do sell Higuain.

But I think more than Suarez, their next target is what we all know, the chimp from the lane.

I do not expect us to put up 40 mill on the table for liverpool, as I really do not expect madrid to put any offers for suarez either. Liverpool will actually sell suarez at that price, as the market is getting smaller.

PSG - Business done
Napoli - possible destination, but unlikely
Inter - Nope
Milan - Nope
Juventus -Nope
Bayern - Not counting them out but I would say unlikely.
Dortmund - Nope
PSG - Business done
Monaco - Nope
Madrid - Possible
Barcelona - Nope
Arsenal - 50/50
Chelsea - we can all see the humour in this.
Man Utd - yea like that's going to happen ( racially abuse evra every day)

Its more likely Suarez will stay at Liverpool if there is an offer over 40 mill and he is still not sold, resulting in what we will see as the transfer saga of the century to only ruin liverpools season.

Cut the crap, arsenal 50/50?

liverpool don't want to sell, the would consider a 40miln offer, that from madrid.

selling him at less then 40 or even 35 to a direct rival won't happen, its not like that only we r the smartest,

all this PR team work, done for creating buzz, increase in ticket sell and other stuff. wenger has been so tight lipped abt this, when he usually not, its him who hand picks the targets.

12 Jul 2013 14:54:27
Can't help but think, that we r moving on from 4-2-3-1 to th more fluid 4-3-3. Thereby puttin th Defensive midfielder in th middle (which Fellaini fits well with height, technic & attackin contribution). I think it'll give us an edge over most teams since th 4-2-3-1 became a template in modern football. Wit that being said I think Wenger also thinks similarly & therefor approaching Jovetic & now Suarez (which he wouldn't have under normal circumstances judgin by price & attitude). This forwards can b best described as False 9's, which is perfect 4 a 4-3-3 formation. Last season we saw a glimps of it when Wenger opted 2 play Gervinho as CF instead of Theo & Lukas. By havin two different CF (Giroud or False9), we'll have a huge edge as we can change formations quickly or start them differently in every game. Benteke is too similar to Giroud & I doubt Wenger wil go for him.
Sorry 4 th long post, hope to hear your views eds & other gooners?
Nam-gooner

Yeah & it'll give Wilshere a bit more freedom to pair up with Cazorla in attacks. Good post though.

12 Jul 2013 14:51:32
What the hell is going on at arsenal
No new players yet
Just seams like the board are making promises what they can't keep
People keep saying keep the faith it's starting 2 get hard now
I think it's time for change as much as I hate saying it
The only thing that has changed is we not sold owe star players this year
It's just not on
ARSENAL 4 LIFE

12 Jul 2013 14:37:37
Hi guys, just read an article that says Negredo is Pellegrini's main target in their pursuit for a striker. Good news as I think that will calm some gooners' nerves about City hijacking the Higuain deal.

Peace,
Trinidad-Gooner

12 Jul 2013 13:48:21
hi eds and anyone who can help. just wanted to know if bendtner and his wages are causing any problems with any potential ins at the club
cheers fellas
keep it red {Ed027's Note - Not with potential ins, but him leaving is a problem

12 Jul 2013 13:37:21
Really hope we don't sign Suarez, My wife is from Ghana and as we all know he is "the most hated person in Ghana" she has already told me that if he were to sign she would never watch another game whilst he was playing so apart from making it harder for me to watch matches signing players like this can only cause thousands of other people to stop supporting us as she can't be the only person thinking this (I think he is a quality player)

You my friend. need to grow a pair!

Mate if england learnt to forget and appreciate maradona, I think you guys can get over suarez.

its not like uruguay won the world cup.

also the penalty was given and missed.

12 Jul 2013 12:15:20
What did I say about Rooney. Hamstring injury! Take it from me, this player will not be at MUFC next season. He's on his way but its up in the air where to. However, it will be in the EPL.

As much as I hate Fergie, I just can't understand why he would stitch Rooney up by telling the world (on live TV) he'd submitted a transfer request, if the guy hadn't. Part of me wonders whether it was a parting shot, but Fergie is still at the club as a director and it may just be that he was telling the truth.

12 Jul 2013 11:56:46
What do you think to this?

Madrid to land number one target Bale and not Suarez. Suarez to Arsenal. Benteke to Liverpool. Rooney to Chelsea. Jovetic to Man City.

Realistic? Other opinions please. What about Spurs and Utd?

Can't see it.

Higuain said he wants to leave, why would you keep an unhappy player?

How would Bale and CR7 fit in the same team since they both play LW?

I do not think Wenger would actually sign Suarez, they're just stirring the pot.

Benteke to either Spurs or Liverpool seems likely.

Would United sell Rooney to Chelsea? Can't see it.

Just my opinions though,
Ed, anything to add? always interested in what the Eds have to say.

Trinidad-Gooner {Ed027's Note - Bale can play pretty much anywhere...

12 Jul 2013 20:32:00
Ed0027, yes good point he is very versatile. but correct me if i'm wrong, isn't lw arguably his strongest and most favoured position?

trinidad-gooner {Ed027's Note - ahh I had this argument with a few mates, I think he's been best when he was given a free role, or cutting in from right, past few years he's been on the left, and he wasn't this good

12 Jul 2013 11:54:29
The arsenal team fly out and still no marquee signing. If we are to get any positives out of this tour apart from revenue for the board, try out eisfeld aneke and gnabry alongside the wilsheres and ox try them alongside Walcott see how they fair. We need to field strong teams and find out where our weaknesses lie.
Going back to the signings gazidas and wenger were on a crest of a wave earlier on when they announced their war chest, but now it has gone off the boil and once again we have become the laughing stock of transfer dealings. When a club has momentum they should strike and get the players they need rather than grovelling over a million here and there.
Are you seriously telling me wenger doesn't know who he wants! He has known since last season where our weaknesses lie he should have addressed it by now. New signings need time to gel with the team this tour would have been ideal.
The media throw names but I know it means nothing until the player has signed the dotted line, wenger should have bought his targets by now, can you imagine the buzz and anticipation it would have created. hopefully we are not going to get the perennial second rate players and a rejuvenated diaby, finish fourth and fill the pockets of the foolish board who take fans for granted.

Hulk Hogunner

I find it funny when people actually pretend to know what Wenger is doing. The man has forgotten more about football than most people have learned. He is right, we will miss him when he is gone.

Trinidad-Gooner

We've needed a DM for 3 seasons & he still hasn't addressed that so I don't hold out much hope for anything else.
Smudge

Don't forget, we're only off the boil - that doesn't mean we haven't done our work. It easily as likely that we've wrapped up the Higuain deal as it is that none has been reached, we just don't know.

Trinidad gooner

nobody but wenger knows what he is thinking, but as a fan; and most of the fans that turn up every week know our frailties, but wenger has been blind to them for far too long.
you need to take of those rose tinted glasses, wenger has had enough time to right the wrongs in fact he has had 7 seasons.
you can give all the spiel about wenger forgetting more than people know to the 'in wenger we trust brigade. ' but you need to understand this year needs to be a statement of intent not another 'give him another year the players will be a year wiser and the team showed character BS'
I speak to a lot of gooners and 99. 9% of them want success over profit and qualifying for the champions league.
we need success full stop period -wenger needs it, the team needs it, the club needs it and most importantly the fans need it.
I really do hope wenger has learned from previous campaigns, his legacy will go down as one of the greatest if not the greatest at this club, but he needs to produce the goods now rather than living of past glories.

I am not being negative but I just want wenger to show his cards and put a smile on gooners faces and fear in the opposition.
I don't want to wait until deadline day!

Hulk Hogunner

12 Jul 2013 10:26:02
Rumour collation time (I love this!)

Jovetic to Man City, deal all but done.

Rooney pulls hamstring in training (apparently before the training had started, but that is from a Chelski fan, and therefore possibly b*ll*x)

We will up our bid for Suarez (Liverpool will still reject it, they almost certainly will not sell him to an English club. He is probably Madrid bound).

The upshot is we will be outbid by Chelski for Rooney, Madrid will get Suarez, leaving the goal wide open for the Higuain deal to go through.

So long as B52 isn't taking the shot, job done on striker front and everyone happy (except, maybe, Man Utd).

£22m for Higuain, get real. If Benteke is going to be sold for £25m, why would Madrid sell Higuain for less and then spend £40m for Saurez.

I am a financial journalist in the US and a long time arsenal supporter, and I can tell you that should Usmanov move to take control of Arsenal, there will be no less than 10 very supportable breaking stories tying Usmanov directly to money laundering, extortian and even murder over the take over of one of his companies that the EPL will show him the door in very short order and he will never pass the fit and proper person test. That aside, any arsenal supporter that would back this, has never been or will never be a genuine arsenal supporter, naive and ignorant yes, a supporter no!

12 Jul 2013 08:48:54
Arsene Wenger has decided that Luis Suarez is more of a priority than Higuain. Real Madrid have reportedly asked for 30 million, so basically the move has stalled and Wenger will now prioritise Suarez.

Real madrid have not even made a bid for Suarez, and it is unlikely they will make a bid. according to reports.

If Arsenal make the 40mil bid, liverpool will allow the striker to negotiate with arsenal according to reports.

lets see what happens eh.

12 Jul 2013 00:39:28
Eds, Now that Grenier isn't comin to th Emirates, who r we lookin at to replace Gervinho with?
Nam-gooner {Ed027's Note - Maybe Wenger wants to keep Gervinho? Maybe Miyaichi? Maybe Gnabry? Maybe Joel Campbell? Maybe Santi will play wide...

12 Jul 2013 00:12:17
Is this a sign of things to come

101greatgoals.com/blog/cesc-fabregas-likes-instagram-picture-urging-him-to-return-to-arsenal

Me jay

Read it right. its not cesc's account ffs. don't be taken in by such utter rubbish