Arsenal Banter Archive July 14 2015

14 Jul 2015 22:03:23
Many on here are convinced Arsene will buy big.........why? because we have the previous two years?

Goalkeepers
Enough cover and had a big boost with our recent signing


Defenders
Left and Right Backs cover for each position

Centre Backs
Throw Chambers into the mix and again more than enough cover.

Midfield
Cover in abundance and not sure of top quality players

Striker
Wellbeck , Giroud with Walcott and Sanchez floating around cover in that position also

Arsene certainly isn't going to be as desperate to splash the cash as he has in recent seasons.

so don't be too disappointed if we don't go to the cash point

14 Jul 2015 22:42:42
But trying to take a step back and look at things objectively if Mourinho Gardiola or Ancelotti took over tomorrow would they say " happy with that there's no need to spend I have a title winning team already "?
I'm not saying we don't have but asking are we kidding ourselves.

14 Jul 2015 23:14:33
Totally agree Bambam.

Lacazette would fit the bill perfectly...or Charlie Austin.

14 Jul 2015 23:41:51
Hmmm, I'm not so sure that's the way to look at it mate!

Put it like this.
I think Arsene has a squad that has depth, but can still be improved by world class.
For example, Per is a good CB, if say.....Howedes or Matip from schalke became avaliable, I doubt we'd look at them.
But if Real/Barca turned round and said Ramos/Pique were available for a fair fee, I'm willing to bet we'd be in for them and Per would lose his place should we sign one.

Basically, as normal, The Boss won't buy for the sake of it, but now, instead of not being able to go for the likes of Hazard for £32m at age 21, if a player comes up, that's better than our current one in that position, we'll be after them.

That's a real winning mindset, determination to improve.

15 Jul 2015 00:14:17
G62

I agree but AW was pressured in previous seasons to buy big but I believe that pressure has eased somewhat

15 Jul 2015 00:41:31
Dags you must love Austin you always say sign him up lol

15 Jul 2015 00:50:47
Austin or Messi for you Dags?

15 Jul 2015 02:30:07
Banbury you have just made a simple list of people in positions in our club.

It's not enough we need more wether its cover or upgrades. Please don't think we will win the leauge on what we have got.

A man with a wooden head knows we need a few more.

Il give you twenty to one if we win the leauge with the current team.

Just let me know and we can swap bank details at the end of next season

15 Jul 2015 06:47:40
Neither left back are convincing and we still need proper cover for the defensive midfield position.
We may sell Walcott, if he a deal to extend his contract fails.

15 Jul 2015 07:43:05
Yes we have cover but I think we should try and upgrade a few players if we could.

Walcott/Wellbeck are both good but not world class and never will be. An upgrade on one of them would be good plus they both would have good re-sale value so it wouldn't cost too much.

Arteta/Flamini are both ok for cover but I'd upgrade one of these too.

15 Jul 2015 07:53:10
Unfortunately you are using the words "enough cover"

Bar last season and our lack of cover at CB we started with enough cover, even in the defensive mid position with Arteta and Flamini.

To believe that Wenger will not buy because we have enough cover is your annual negative outlook Banbury. For a big guy you are a proper handbag ;-)

Their is no doubt in my mind that we will bring in some better quality, upgrades on what we have. Wenger likes the make up and togetherness of our squad as a lot do but he is not going to miss the opportunity to improve it.

In my opinion the addition of one or two more top quality players will be enable them to make a seamless transition into the team as Fabregas and Costa did at Chelsea because like them we have a truly great base. Much the same as City will with a couple of top signings who people seem to have written off for some inexplicable reason.

Now is not the time to stand still.

15 Jul 2015 08:49:45
Stephen you are correct.

Sussex, Austin because Messi is unproven in Prem :-)

14 Jul 2015 21:26:04
Fouzi ghulam! Fouzi hope not, I smell a smell like a dodgy brazilian left back of not too long ago. Algerian international and not even first choice. Hope its journo bull poo again, please let it be. Why do they do it to us.

14 Jul 2015 23:24:20
I would sign him just for the fun of having his name on back of my shirt.

Jeez, I would be a scrabble champion.

14 Jul 2015 21:15:43
When mourinho took over at Chelsea within a month had made it clear there was no future for the fans player of the year two years running Juan Mata and sold him first chance he got, then within the space of his first year back at the club he'd let Cole and Lampard go and demoted Cech to the bench.
As fans and even as a club are we to precious and protective towards our existing players?
Personally I'd hate to see Le Coq replaced but had no problem with Ospina making way for Cech at all, we all have our favourites and those we don't rate as highly as others do but do we has fans need to raise our expectation levels in both the players we already have and those we want to see come in?

14 Jul 2015 21:32:49
Its got nothing to do with favorites, just how to be ruthless and improve. By the way he's been proved right and i'm sure he will do it again.

14 Jul 2015 22:16:44
More importantly it's wenger who is precious. We have all bought the philosophy. It has long been said that wenger gets more professional satisfaction from the development of individuals and unearthing gems than that of team success. If he can win stuff his way then we certainly won't buy it! I'm 100% wenger always have and always will be. This Summer reminds me a bit like the summer before the season when we ten points clear at Easter people said we needed just a few and wenger never bought and low and behold the wheels fell off. I feel this is the best chance and we have to make sure. History has to teach wenger surely he can't believe we are going to have an injury free season

14 Jul 2015 22:24:47
That's my point exactly Steve he has been proved 100% right to be unashamedly ruthless, so do we need to do the same?
Mertesacker! Would chelsea utd and city bid if we made him available?
But many of our fans rate him very highly and more than good enough which is why I ask the question do we need to be more honest with ourselves about some of our players.

14 Jul 2015 22:55:55
Gunner I think you know what I think, don't get me going, i'm enjoying the summer break.

14 Jul 2015 23:22:27
Would definitely keep Per.

Would have offloaded Podolski, Miyachi, Arteta, Flamini, Sanogo, Joel Campbell, Sczezny and Wellington Silva..and keep Rosicky one more year.

I'm ruthless me.
Just call me Dags Mourinho.

14 Jul 2015 22:58:40
im guessing you mean christmas brow?
g62, if you are asking that question about mert, you would also have to ask it about giroud, what kind of team would bid for him?

14 Jul 2015 23:47:55
I think, that it's not a case of being 'too precious' it's more stubbornness.

For 2-3 season, everyone told Arsene that Ramsey wouldn't make it.
Now he's top notch, world class on his day.

For 3-4 seasons, everyone's said we should get shot of Coquelin.
Last season, he was statistically the best defensive midfielder in the league.

For 1-2 seasons, people said Koscielny was a waste of money.
Now he's one of the best CB's in the Prem.

For a season, people said Özil was a flop.
Last season, he started to hit form and was unplayable at times.

So for Wenger, it's a almost a victory to look the same people who criticise, right in the face and laugh.
It's like he said, if we'd of bought Coquelin for £30m in Janurary, people would be raving about him and calling him a great signing.

HOWEVER, as I said in a reply further up, I think the Wenger of the past two seasons has recognised he can't be sentimental if he wants to win.
If a World Class defensive mid was available, Martinez, Busquets, et al, you can bet Le Coq would be in line for the bench if we could sign them.

15 Jul 2015 00:39:50
Yes but then you'd go and sign bloody charlie austin.

15 Jul 2015 00:48:50
Who would you bring in Steve r for me it would be benzemma . if real want kos I'd ask for varane and a cdm as back up to le coq some one like medel he is s great cdm for me

15 Jul 2015 02:33:09
Yeah dags me too. He can bring the oranges on at half time

15 Jul 2015 09:41:23
Yeah totally agree Eden although I love Girouds work rate and what he does for the team the same question mark has to be there.
We can't have all players who would make the starting 11 in chelsea and city teams but all our first 11 should be good enough to make our title rivals best 18 surely if were brutally honest with ourselves.

14 Jul 2015 18:37:25
I read a recent article on players' contracts, which suggested Flamini's deal expired on 30/6/15.
Can anyone shed any light on his current situation?
At a wage estimated to be £65K per week, there is potentially another £3.4 million which can be saved from the wage bill, as I see him playing little part this season and his contribution in the last 3 months of last season was poor.

{Ed002's Note - A one year extension.}

14 Jul 2015 12:55:12
Hi all.
Apologies for posting on your site.
On the Liverpool rumours site many fans agree that Arsenal have had the best summer in terms of transfers so far.....my question is do you agree? I have a slight concern about your new keeper, I'm not doubting his undoubted shot stopping ability however I wonder how he will cope behind an Arsenal Defense which usually plays a high line compared to him playing behind the Chelsea defense which is usually so deep they are standing on his toes.....are you guys slightly concerned about his ability to sweep up behind a high line? Or do you think you may defend slightly deeper this season?

14 Jul 2015 14:23:14
I think Cech is perfectly capable of adapting to a defence with a different positional line.

14 Jul 2015 14:50:14
Trevor,

Firstly, please don't apologise for popping over to us, you are more than welcome.

Secondly, good question.
You make a fair point, as we do play higher than Chelsea, but I can't see a keeper of Cech's calibre, albeit slightly rusty, having too many problems adjusting.

Question for you.
Sterling, good business from your point of view?

14 Jul 2015 15:22:55
Looks like you are trying to rekindle the old Liverpool Arsenal love in Dags. Should I break out the candles..?

14 Jul 2015 15:48:20
I'm more concerned that Cech won't see over merts head

14 Jul 2015 16:23:15
Put the Barry White LP on RR, pour some fine wine, spark the candles and let the magic happen! 😝

14 Jul 2015 17:02:14
Honeybadger is that what you do when having a romantic night in with CTR

14 Jul 2015 17:29:07
On the behalf of all Liverpool fans I'd like to turn down dags approach. Sorry buddy 😉

14 Jul 2015 17:33:36
Sterling should be gone because of the sour mood been created for past few months.We sold him for a good fee,but I hope us to be 3rd time lucky that sterling might not reach his potential,he is a really talented player.

14 Jul 2015 17:47:45
See,

You Utd lot just have no class lol

14 Jul 2015 18:39:15
Evening malaga, so you've been peeking through my windows I take it? (blush)

Lol Reet!

14 Jul 2015 18:54:16
You got to love that, a Liverpool love in when it's the United boys all over here like a tramp on chips. ;-)

Thank god none of us are on the United page we'd be accused of being worried about them.

14 Jul 2015 19:00:57
Trev I think it's brilliant we all swap view's some times we're all to close to the wood to see the tree's and its great to have others views.
Dont worry Brow mate I'm sure the last thing Mertesacker will do is get in anyones way, infact I'm sure he will bend over backwards to avoid doing so :-)

14 Jul 2015 19:27:30
Honeybadger i looked through your window and seen a baby throwing his toys out of his pram.

I take it that was CTR

14 Jul 2015 19:32:21
Red Dog, the truth is we were sent here by the Eds to make sure the love in doesn't re-commence. Now you see the sterling work CTR has been carrying out covertly for months, good work agent chris 😉

14 Jul 2015 19:59:32
They don't even realize HB.

14 Jul 2015 20:44:28
Funny thread:) I am a lot more worried by United than I was 4 days ago. I get the feeling the buying is not over either. I never want to hear another Utd fan moaning about City buying the league as you will likely have spent £300 million in 2 transfer windows....

Should be an interesting season

14 Jul 2015 20:52:34
Ctr you old goat

Are you out on parole

14 Jul 2015 22:37:01
You're all a bunch of good kids and a bit of banter is good for the soul. As long as you don't go to pieces and threaten to quit when your banter gets turned back on you.

14 Jul 2015 22:49:16
Outback some visitors to our page like to give it but can't take it

Don't they CTR

15 Jul 2015 06:19:50
One armed butlers, Malaga.

15 Jul 2015 09:54:30
You've got minimal banter Malaga. The rest of you are alright....not light the candles and wish you well for the season alright..just alright!

15 Jul 2015 10:08:20
Yawn Malaga!

If it suits your narrative, sure why not.

0 for 4.

14 Jul 2015 08:03:09
Man U are shaping up nicely. Quality signings they got. If Van Gaal makes them click, then Man U will be a force next season no doubt

14 Jul 2015 08:51:38
But equally what if this is the season Jack and Theo finally realise their full potential what does that make us?
At this stage it's educated guess work about who will do what but as we stand we are in much much better shape than 12 months ago.
Going to Chelsea last season I hoped not to get tanked again and the 2 0 defeat didn't feel that bad after the season before.
But now we have a real DM, a very top keeper plus our new found team work rate and discipline none of which existed this time last year, we have a settled squad who finished last season looking very good so for me even if we didn't strengthen further we have a lot more to be exited about ourselves than to fear from others.

14 Jul 2015 08:54:52
How many high impact players can you sign and integrate in one season? Not sure, MU scares me in 1 or 2 years if they don't keep turning over their squad.

14 Jul 2015 09:33:40
In truth they couldn't get any worse, they have been poor since Fergie left and have been going through the process of off loading players.

I'm sure they'll look for a CB to play alongside Rojo and a striker to replace that Turkey who has gone to Turkey then they will have the makings of a good first 11.

As for Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger, quality players but not for me and in my opinion we have better.

They may or may not need time to get up and running but who cares, we have to beat Chelsea and City to win the title.

This season holds no fears for me and we will be in amongst it.

14 Jul 2015 10:30:48
Stoner,

"Turkey that's gone to Turkey".

Quote of the week.

Love it.

14 Jul 2015 10:48:51
Agree with Stoner, they can't get any worse. Two seasons back, they got seventh. Last season, they threw money around and got fourth. This season, they are throwing money around... who knows how that will work out?

Van Gaal is no tool, plus with one season under his belt, he now knows what the league is about. Not suggesting that he will win the league, but he is putting together a team that will be more competetive than last season

14 Jul 2015 11:00:13
Stoner you old dog, how are you? I agree with Rooster re integration. Assuming we sign a CB and CF we could have 7/8 new players in the 1st team next year (including Shaw who hardly played). We will be better but it would take something special to go from 4th to winning the league with so many new players.

As for you lot, a lot of United fans think you need 2 top quality signings to push on and mount a proper challenge. My question is, will you get them? You know how much I like Jack but he seems to have backwards and despite all the potential, Walcott and Ox haven't yet made that step up. Still, if you get a good start and strengthen well, I think you will compete.

14 Jul 2015 11:25:41
I'm good thanks AJH, and yourself, it's almost like you're going through the same process as we did in off loading players from the Fergie era to get bigger and better.

I'm not yet convinced with Van Gaal if I'm honest but it was his first season so who knows.

It's all making for a great season and like I said I feel we are definately going to be in amongst it. I doubt you will be far off but the difference for Chelsea and ourselves is that team cohesion and spirit.

I'm not sure if Jack has gone backwards but got stopped in his tracks by young Mr McNair and the quality of our starting 11 has not made his return the cake walk back into the team he expected.

Yes I believe we will get the signings, Wenger will know who and for me it's just the when over the next 6 weeks.

Walcott and he have big seasons ahead and Chamberlain I believe will be immense over the next few years.

Dags that was the politest thing I could think of. ;-)

14 Jul 2015 13:34:24
Its heating up for next season already!

Agree with Ajh et al - United are improving but with so many changes will we gel in time? Chelsea have a great squad and consistency on their side. Arsenal have a very good squad and consistency BUT Wenger needs to add the last piece(s) of the puzzle, so will come down to how ruthless he is with his squad and how flush he is with the cash.

13 Jul 2015 23:34:36
Jenks signs new 5 year contract :-) top signing, he will change many fans minds just as Aaron did in the next couple of years.

14 Jul 2015 00:19:01
Its a win-win for everybody.

We keep him and he gets valuable game time at West Ham.

14 Jul 2015 06:30:20
Seems a sensible option, as both the club & Jenkinson have the security of a 5 year deal. Jenkinson gets to play much needed first team Premier League football and Arsenal get a reported fee of £2m, plus his wages paid and have a player gaining experience at the top level, who can return to take over from Debuchy who is entering his 30's.

14 Jul 2015 07:01:42
I didn't think he needed to change anyone's mind. He was fantastic for West hame last year and even before then started to show signs of promise for us. Long term replacement for debuchy I think

14 Jul 2015 10:06:50
If he's a long term replacement for Debuchy, what does that make Bellerin? I don't think he needs to change people's minds though, I thought he was a fan favourite from day one, being a gooner and all.

14 Jul 2015 18:52:37
He's developing really well and will push Bellerin all the way. Hoping we get similar depth at RB as we have at LB with Monreal/Gibbs. So long as he improves his positioning I don't see why he can't be England's future RB too over Clyne.

13 Jul 2015 23:02:39
Welcome home CTR good to herr from you, vee have vays of making you post mate :-)

14 Jul 2015 00:23:04
Leave him alone G62.

He needs time to work out what name will be cheaper to have on the back of his shirt, Schweinsteiger or Schneiderlin.

Give him time :-)

14 Jul 2015 07:02:34
It is tricky when you run out of fingers.... got to take the socks off

14 Jul 2015 09:08:07
I'm getting a mix of both on my shirt

schweinschneidersteiger

Cant wait!

14 Jul 2015 09:40:26
Just hope you don't sign a Smit from anywhere this summer Honey mate :-)