Arsenal Banter Archive March 25 2015

25 Mar 2015 16:46:04
Gary Nevil says we have to stop importing average players to enable more home grown English talent to come through, I agree but how do we do it without compromising on ability.
I think Jenks is a very good example of how English talent can get overlooked sometimes, but in the main how do we up the home nation quota without bringing down the standard of the premier league?

25 Mar 2015 18:25:22
Maybe a rule where all clubs that have been in the premier league for 2 years have to be a parent club with a lower league team?

Eg. Say arsenal partner with Crewe, they have to pay Crewe a set amount each season for training upgrades, time put in to training, accommodation etc and Crewe can have the pick of registered youth players in the arsenal development league.
Once a player is loaned, the lower league club also have a fixed percentage of extras if that player goes on to make appearances for there parent clubs first team.

So for example say Wilshire had been loaned to Crewe at 17-18 it would be in there interests to develop him and give him time on the pitch, money wise.

U could cap the number of foreign players allowed to be loaned to the partnered club and the payout could be more in favour of English players that 'make it' after being loaned.

its very tough to come up with any idea that can benefit the club's to better develop English talent without suggesting 'B teams' which would ruin the lower leagues imo. So maybe a incentive for them like I have suggested might help.

It would be in the parent clubs interests to free up better young English talent that they have for the partnered team and in the partnered clubs interests to develop them and give them game time.

A win win for both parties because young players need to play professional football and not many lower league teams are willing to take gambles whereas if they are paid a certain amount per player loaned it could help them money wise to.

I could go more into it but i'm on my fone.

{Ed025's Note - great stuff chris...i really like that mate....i cant believe it a united supporter with more than 3 brain cells!...who,d of thunk it.. :)

25 Mar 2015 18:35:30
Not fussed on England. It dies down quickly after a tournament win. I'm not patriot and I don't watch the games. I love premiership football. If your good enough I believe you will make it

25 Mar 2015 18:54:40
My brother lent me his one a half cells today ed, so I'm feeling confident.

{Ed025's Note - love it chris mate..

25 Mar 2015 19:12:24
This not about the national team only derby it's about taking care of young men in a world where they can easily get lost in. I'm a firm believer that clubs should do a lot more for Young players than they do. So many drop out of football and then out of life too.

They need chances.

{Ed025's Note - fair point there chris..

25 Mar 2015 20:31:32
I Suppose a decent idea has to come out of Manchester once every blue moon, ironically

{Ed025's Note - coronation st was the last one saint.. :)

25 Mar 2015 20:33:59
yeh got to be tough for those who don't make it

25 Mar 2015 20:51:25
Eden I can tell u it is, not from a personal point of view but my friend was at an academy with a few top players now and after a few loans and permanent deals were unsuccessful he dropped out of life for a while.

He's now on his feet and well with a regular job but for a few years he was depressed and angry. He was expecting a great life and was left with nothing in terms of football and job wise.

Imo during a young teens years at a top clubs academy they should be made to learn nutrition and fitness coaching a few hours a week at a level receiving recognised qualifications at the end of it.

Not only will this help them if they continue to have a career in football and teach them the benefits of looking after your body to stay fit and on top of your game but also give them a qualification to fall back on if they don't make it.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all of that chris..and good luck to your friend mate..

25 Mar 2015 20:52:30
Come on ed Mitchell Keegans parents deciding to get together and mskeca child was not a bad one either :)

{Ed025's Note - i concede chris...thats 2 then mate..

26 Mar 2015 00:10:45
Chris there are acedemy players now on 20-30k a week. Sometimes the drive may not continue after that contract.

There's a few English players at chelsea I believe will make it. Solanki and locus cheek to name two

We paid a lot for pennent he flopped so bad.

Charlie Austin has found his way back. Ings was let go too. And harry Kane from us. Drive and belief see you through

Tom cruise played champs league for us he's not In the conference. It happens

26 Mar 2015 03:58:25
It is about talent not passport. I have always agreed with Wenger on that point. The best player plays regardless of race, nationality, religion, etc.

Quotas would certainly increase the number of british players in the leagues, but it is not about numbers it is about quality (it is not as though when the league was almost entirely English, the national team performed markedly better).

Quotas create a huge distortion in the transfer market where worse british players are more valuable, than better foreign players, because a club is forced to meet some artificial quota instead of trying to buy the best player to win. This is already evident in the flawed homegrown rule.

Ultimately, quotas decrease the quality of the league and the English Internationals you would get would be poorer for the lack of competition.

From a purely pragmatic view, I would prefer a better Arsenal side, than an Arsenal side with more Brits (sorry guys). Ideally, we could have both a better arsenal side and more brits...but not with quotas, it just does not work.

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So, why do English players not develop?

This is not something that can be easily answered really.

1. You need to start with a huge talent pool - that means getting all the youth in England involved in soccer at a very young age. I do not think that has been done. The way this aim can be helped is to force some of the "new" money to be spent on building community pitches and decreasing the costs to parents of having their children enter football. You also have to restrict the use of these pitches by non-youth to maximize their value - sorry sunday leaguers it is for the good of England.

2. You need to increase the quality of coaching at all levels. I think some of the "new" money should be put into subsidizing the coaching badges and designing courses/badges specifically on youth development, which would focus on nutrition, the link between maximizing your intellectual capacity and maximizing your skill on the pitch, the proper way to maximize physical potential in youth (the way you work out and train is different or should be different when you are developing). This could then be passed on to the players.

3. I agree with a feeder club system and payments, but, as part of that feeder club system, it is important for Arsenal and other clubs to share their know-how, sports science information, coaching techniques, nutrition, physio, training methods, and other data, so that the feeder club can have the best possible coaching and to Arsenal's benefit you have a consistency in player development.

Note: While I agree that it is difficult for youth to flourish in the BPL, because the pressure to win games and the financial disaster of relegation - I am not sure, without the lower level leagues changing their style of play and prioritizing development over winning that youth will develop fully in the lower leagues. I think the big clubs would need to be very careful with the partners they picked and threaten to pull their players if the agreements were not being met.

4. I think you also want to provide incentives for clubs to invest in their youth squad, youth coaching, and youth facilities. The best way to do that is to offer something monetary be it an interest free loans or tax breaks. Clubs want to develop players: it does not cost a transfer fee, it is a marketing dream, but it is a long wait for an uncertain pay-off.

5. I agree with Chris clubs can and should do more for their youth players, both when their at the club [to ensure their head is on straight and that they understand that even if you are a great soccer player you likely will not make it and, so, you should focus on your studies as well as training], and, when the club tells the player that he is not going to make it, be that in finding him another club, or helping him transition out of football to further his education or find a job.

6. I think there is room for a national development program as well as club development. That could also be funded by the "new" money.

I do not know, but those are my ideas. I am speaking from a North American perspective though, so, I candidly admit, we do not have academies or relegation, we have colleges or developmental leagues and drafts to increase parity. So, it's a bit of a different kettle of fish to the BPL and European Football.

26 Mar 2015 07:15:52
Auto correct sorry. Loftus cheek.

25 Mar 2015 13:46:14
I'm not totally convinced that Schneiderlin is better than Le Coq.
I would rather prefer Blaise Matuidi...
1. Older than Le Coq with 4 years. And so he(Coq) can look up to him.
2. Is overall better than Scheiderlin(imo)
3. Has bags of experience.
4. Both would improve our team but Schneiderlin is only 2 years older than Coq and might unsettle the Coq &/or the team

Would love to hear your opinions

25 Mar 2015 14:23:44
Hes staying put now apparently so its a no go whatever but I share your concerns about Le Coq getting pushed out.
Spyder and Le Coq together? At times at least might be the answer or a more versatile player who can do DM plus other positions to a good standed.
Just our luck, we wait 100 years for a DM then 2 come along at once :-).
(OK it felt like 100 years but may have been a little less)

25 Mar 2015 15:10:21
Haha. If Schneiderlin does come, then what does that mean for Rambo? because surely Rambo, Spyder and Le Coq cannot all be starters and I am sure none of them would want to be benching it most times

25 Mar 2015 16:52:33
I would like us to sign Schneiderlin and play in tandem with Coquelin or rotate them. We must release Flamini & Arteta.

26 Mar 2015 10:55:12
Coq & Spyder r too similar... Both like to sit deep. that's th reason Flamini & Arteta never workd. There needs to b a box to box or a roamin creative player to take th ball forward.

26 Mar 2015 14:17:34
saints play Wanayama and Schneiderlin in certain games where they need to dominate midfield against a pressing posession team of the first order, but only one of the two for other games. Spyder and Coq would be an excellent combo against Bayren or Dortmund or Barcelona, in other matches, rotate, plus you have injury cover and competition. We want to be playing 60 mayches a year across four competitions and we will need the squad ro do it.

25 Mar 2015 11:14:41
cech 10mill talk to me

25 Mar 2015 14:25:09
Please and yes in any order you like

25 Mar 2015 15:16:36
Where do I sign? :)