Arsenal Banter Archive November 01 2014

01 Nov 2014 23:36:18
Ed007,

I put yes on poll of the day for Mrs E to do a FHM style Avatar.

At present, 50 votes with 44 saying yes.

I also sent a personal post to Mrs E on the Celtic banter page, on behalf of all us Gooners.

Let's hope it does the trick, lol.

Happy to oblige mate.

{Ed007's Note - Good man.}

What are we missing dags? who is mrs E?

02 Nov 2014 19:48:35
337,

She's the only female on the Celtic banter page.

Ed007, wanted to wind her up lol

Am I the only female on here? Well i'm in touch with my feminine side, i've even got a pink polo shirt in my wardrobe, I don't wear it but it's there

01 Nov 2014 17:48:45
Quick question:

Sanchez is performing out of his skin playing behind the striker so.

Would you trade Ozil out for a proper LW (cough* Marco Reus *cough) or move Sanchez to LW and keep Ozil?

Ozil being on the left is NOT an option!

Getting the best out of both Sanchez and Ozil would be a very exciting prospect, much like the Suarez Stirling and Sturrigde effect on Liverpool it could cover multiple weakness's enough to make top two possible.

01 Nov 2014 18:15:43
I'm not anti Ozil but I would swap him for Marco Reus in a heartbeat.

G95 stop nicking my reus sanchez idea lol. Get reus in 100 percent. We would not regret it. I have the bayern dortmund game on now. Sven bender is so good. I think dortmunds right back is excellent too great steady player

Reus for Özil? Do it now.

01 Nov 2014 20:07:12
I was watching a programme on Sly spurts about the Invincibles and Wenger was talking about using Bergkamp as his quarter back feeding the forwards.

If he gets his finger out of his butt and plays Ozil as our 10 then I'm all for him staying.

If not then sell him and a couple of others and get Reus and Pogba. Job done.

Never happen but hey we never thought Ozil or Sanchez would either.

Do you know if we didn't has ozil
We would be saying?
Wish we could get ozil best number 10 in the game
Ozil dosent become rubbish overnight, he seems to have some personal problems, I have seen him put some great balls threw
I said to my son why we bought him i, ll never know, He is C**P.My son went out and bought me a real madrid dvd,
It amazed me how good he was
Have faith.When we get Khadira/Hummels, and second division french striker.
We will look back and laff about the times ozil looked like the only thing keeping him on the pitch was the stand
In LORD Wenger we trust

U people are serious fools for swapping ozil for reues, Ozil anyday, and they both aren't similae players to even swap or compare.

100 percent reus over ozil all day long.
Sanchez is a better num 10 than ozil. In the prem sanchez is the player you want. Pace. Power. Skill. Can beat a man the lot.

01 Nov 2014 21:29:50
Hood,

We are judging Ozil by his performances in an Arsenal shirt not a Madrid one.

I love the guy and love the fact he is an Arsenal player, but performances have to improve.

I don't quite know how anyone could say that Ozil is better than Reus. When the guy eventually moves he'll be the absolute steal of the century to whoever gets him.

I agree Welsh if Ozil had gone to city or chavs and been played in his best postion as he surley would have been anywhere but with us we would be saying IF ONLY WE HAD A MESUT OZIL!
Easy to forget the worlds king of assists we bought little more than a year ago and turned into a very poor winger, I wonder how Rues will do at left back should we sign him and if in 15 months after this arrival we will be wanting to swap him for Leighton Bains

01 Nov 2014 23:21:22
Don't get me wrong, I want Ozil to stay and play Bergkamp's quarter back role and feed Sanchez, Walcott and Giroud with Ramsey breaking into the box and Wanyama killing anything that moves towards our goal!

This is nothing to do with Ozil's form. This is about Sanchez excelling at No.10 at wondering wither we should trade out Ozil for a proper left winger and keep Sanchez at No.10.

And let's be honest here, Ozil for Reus? Every single day of the week. And don't even bother arguing!

01 Nov 2014 23:28:32
@G95 It's easy to say Ozil is better than Reus, purely because he is.

01 Nov 2014 23:30:20
agree with gunner62 - this is Ozil you ungrateful bunch

Watch reus and get back to me. The boys class. King of assists ozil? he took corners at real madrid and passed to ronaldo who scores 40 plus goals a season.

Ozil is a good player but he has played number 10 and was poor for us that's why wenger has played him out wide and so has lowe for germany. If reus was fit for the world cup ozil would of been a spectator.

I got slated the other day for saying david silva is better than ozil. I stand by my claim. Silva is day

02 Nov 2014 08:34:44
Totally agree Derby

Derby take a look at Mesut pre Real, then think why did the club who pays what it takes to get who they want chose Ozil and get back to me
Trust me 15 months of Reus and you'll be asking for him to be swapped if Arsene used him as badly as he has Mesut.
How can we not want Mesut Ozil in our team?
Maybe we really do get what we desrve each season and we have a 4th place mentality

Gunner iv follwed ozil all his career. Its not like real madrid are missing him badly and not winning champions league without him isit?

Im sticking with my point reus is kind i'd new on the block developed later than ozil. I want sanchez to stay in the hole he's dangerous and gets about the pitch.

Thing with reus also is he can play anywere in the front three where as ozil is very limited positional wise.

Yet World champions Germany prefer Mesut, makes you think doesn't it

This is not about Ozil or how good he is or anything about being ungreatful.

It is simply about Sanchez playing out of his skin at No.10 (where Ozil must play!) and if you would keep him there and swap Ozil for a proper LW.

I am very grateful to have Ozil here. He is a terrific player.

I don't want to sell him.

However he must play No.10 and if Sanchez keeps performing the way he is there would you move Sanchez back out wide?

That poses the question I asked. Ozil at No.10 with Sanchez out wide OR Sanchez at No.10 and sell Ozil for a proper LW.

I have no problem either way. Either way it's going to be amazing to see!

PS. Forget the Ozil/Reus debate. I simply used Reus as the best example for the LW.

Fair point 95 mate, personallyi could live with
4
3
Sanchez Ozil
Theo
Especially with a proper DM stuck in the middle of the 3

02 Nov 2014 16:03:51
@95 Sanchez is such a good player I think he can play on the wings and cut inside. Ozil on the wings is clearly a complete waste as he is not a winger and lost there, but is a number 10 - even mourinho said he was the world's best no 10. He is class, I just want fans to back him or he will feel unloved and want out. He needs two seasons chance at 42 mill

I like Ozil massively as a player and when played at No.10 I think he would be amazing for us.

However, Sanchez is equally amazing there which lead me to ask the question because I can't decide what I'd rather have.

I'd have no problem either way.

Gunner62. Do germany prefer ozil over reus? No not at all.

01 Nov 2014 17:27:48
Giroud back in training after the International break

Superb news

01 Nov 2014 18:18:24
Great to have him back.

Olly back, Theo back and Ramsey picking up form will be a great boost to us.

01 Nov 2014 18:30:37
Fantastic we need the big man back

01 Nov 2014 19:59:09
he'll be a great addition to the bench

And don't forget diaby
iv got my tshirt ready
i saw diaby play

Yes agree 1404 makes bench stronger, got to be good.

01 Nov 2014 17:07:14
Excellent win and a clean sheet, I believe it could have been 8

01 Nov 2014 16:19:09
This isn't looking to clever at the minute

Looks alright to me.

01 Nov 2014 12:59:25
Was going to reply to post further down about refereeing these days but it's a big one so here it is. (just my thoughts on the matter)

Was surprised when I saw the poll results the other day.

I honestly don't think the standard is dropping. Steady improvements in fitness, training and technology, I think it's a more or less constant progression.

That doesn't mean however that the standard is very high either. In today's game the camera is microscopic and the referee is the focal point.

It's easy to make a decision after watching a slow-mo replay 4 or 5 times. Referees don't and never did have that luxury.

At worst today's refs make the same amount of mistakes as any group of refs from any era. Just that previous generations didn't have the all seeing eye to contend with that refs nowadays seem fatally flawed.

Some one will point out we had cameras enough to give out about refs in the 80's and 90's and we did but not as much as we do today. Why? Maybe because now we have at least 30 cameras spying on a Premier League game. Nothing goes unseen.

Offsides even with cameras were at a stage hard to distinguish, in one part due to there being fewer camera so if it couldn't be caught from a couple of viewings angles the audience couldn't really argue.

The other being camera technology. The cameras being used today can shoot 120fps, they can take so many pictures a second that we can see sunlight flicker.

And in real time calculate the precise distances and draw a line to the millimeter of the offside line.

There's more match game coverage. Every single game is scrutinized on MOTD as opposed to some years ago it was a handful of the best games. This shows us more of what we give out about but it's always been there.

And finally which has just sprung to mind. There is so much diving and simulation and play acting in the games these days that refs have probably had a harder job than ever.

Bale runs @ 34.7km/h (no joke) and dives at 48.2km/h (no joke) "colliding" with and defender running 24km/h and the ref is 30ft away on the break. You decide weather he was touched or not.

All while watching the rest of the back line and advancing players to ascertain if it's goal scoring opportunity or not or if it's last man back.

I think most of them do a damn good job but it doesn't matter because they will never get any thanks. They'll always be easier to blame than poor players and bad managerial decisions.

So in short. I don't think it's getting worse. We just see more of the state it's always been in.

Interestingly enough at the time that Bale stat was taken less than a year ago he was only the second fastest footballer on record.

Antonio Valencia 1st @ 35.1km/h
Walcott 5th @ 32.7km/h
Wayne Rooney 7th @ 31.2km/h
Alexis Sanchez 10th @ 30.1km/h

Imagine that

01 Nov 2014 17:19:06
Sheeny
Classic post mate,im going to print it off and read it when i'm away on holiday,or can someone put it on a cd for me.lol

Rooney!?!? Was this this time recorded during the pie chasing race?

Just
No the granny where having a two for one,
Or it could be the day john terry popped over for a cupper

01 Nov 2014 21:38:43
Must have been justk but FIFA keep tabs on it :P

01 Nov 2014 09:54:11
some Players out of contract this summer.
Khedira
Huntalaar
Nigel De jong
M.richards
Flanagan
Chellini
Konoplyanka
Abate
J.milner

Any who have agreed new deals and I havnt noticed I apologise I see rabiot just has at psg :(

Some good players there if we can agree deals in jan who knows.

01 Nov 2014 02:13:44
I find it odd that Wenger is complaining that there are no tough forwards anymore. He wants tougher players, but has it seems, refused to get one. We are crying out for a mad man in midfield. Someone who isn't afraid to lead and throw a good tackle in. A Roy Keane for example.

Saying that though, a player with both the attitude and ability of him is hard to come by now. Any Players come to mind?

{Ed007's Note - Give up buddy, there will never be another sportsmen never mind footballer who can hold a candle to Roy Keane. If Keane had been English a lot more people would appreciate what he done as a player and he would be looked at as one of the best in world. In his heyday Keane was in the bracket of player that would have improved any team in the world he had played in.
When (not if) the revolution comes and I'm Britain's first President I will knock down Big Ben and replace it with a statue of Roy Keane.
I was a big Viera fan as well btw, I just love those type of players, remember Edgar Davids?}

01 Nov 2014 08:11:58
unfortunatly the game has moved on since then and I doubt there is a place nowadays for a roy keane,a red card every 4 games sprinkled with a few 5 game bans per season would soon put paid to that

Great player. But that tackle on haaland was un forgivable.

If keane was playing in the last five years he would be looking at a red card every 5 games.

alot has changed in the way the game is being played, pace is just one attribute.

can you imagine keane running around trying to get the ball from xavi or iniesta in the champions league final?

those days are gone and while I agree he was a very good player, just like viera was, they added something to an era, but I think people over hype certain players a bit too much.

01 Nov 2014 10:25:33
Ed007,

I would throw Bryan Robson in the mix as well.

Fantastic player and Captain.

{Ed007's Note - Definitely DG. Robson was my favourite Utd player when I was a pup. His testimonial in 1990 (I was 15/16) was the first time I was allowed to travel down to Old Trafford without my dad as there were plenty of Celtic supporters buses going down. It was round about the same time, I think, that I first visited Highbury for Paul Davids (Davis or Davies??) testimonial and the second was a few years after that for Tony Adams' testimonial. For the Davids one my cousin and his pals had hired a minibus to drive down, I left the house telling my mammy I was going to the football and it wasn't until my dad came in from work she found out the game was in London and he found out I was away to it - that went down well when I got home!
I think I am one of the few people who misses testimonial matches, I know players are paid exorbitant amounts these days and don't need the money but I used to love the the friendly party atmosphere at them and meeting new people. I've been all over England with Celtic for testimonials over the years and have met some great people who I still keep in touch with}

01 Nov 2014 11:54:05
Roy Keane was and is a wombat

I wish there was a statute of him in Dublin so I could egg it every morning on the way to college

{Ed007's Note - I'm not surprised by that, we all know you Dubliners can't help being jealous of anything that comes from the People's Republic. If you're still at college are you old enough to remember Keane as a player, he retired 8 years ago.}

01 Nov 2014 16:50:59
Remember it well 007.

1991, we took it easy on you because it
was Paul Davis testimonial, hence the 2-2 lol.

I'm not from Dublin man, I'm from the Premier. And I'm a phd student Viera vs. Keane were my formative year so I remember him plenty.

In particular I remember him walking out in Saipan. But I also remember his tackle on halaand and I remember what he wrote about it.

I remember meeting him in the Dunlop and telling me to eff-off when I asked for autograph, I remember meeting Niall Quinn 20mins later and getting my picture taken like he took with all the other 12 year olds.

And I remember plenty more player/manager/pundit. It's a pity he wasn't English he'd have no claim to us

{Ed007's Note - That's actually the first time I've ever heard anyone actually admitting they got upset by player's not giving them an autograph, it's usually what we ask people who have a chip on their shoulder about a player 'What's wrong did he not sign your autograph'. Everything else is irrelevant after he broke your heart, your Phd won't even help that heal :( At least he told you to eff-off, he could have just ignored you. Keane's tackle had no bearing on Halaand's injury problems, Keane done him on his right knee, and Halaand had been having problems with his left knee and was wearing it strapped up for months. After Keane's tackle Halland played on and finished the match, he also played in a friendly for Norway that midweek and the following league game with no problems with his right knee (the one Keane caught). During the summer, he had surgery on his left knee, and played 4 substitute appearances the next season before retiring. Halaand had already admitted he had been playing with the injury to his left knee for a few month and he went on to say that Keane's tackle had done it no damage during the game and that Keane did not cause his injury. At least Keane had the minerals to come out and admit what he done rather than try and weasel his way out of it like some players do, or do you think Keane's the only player to ever go looking for revenge?
It was a shocking tackle but the story about how serious it actually was is a fairy-tale kept going by the people in the Irish media that have never liked Keane simply because he wouldn't play their stupid games when he was meant to be playing football, not sorting out tickets for journalist's families. Roy Keane had absolutely nothing to do with the injury that forced Halaand to retire.
What's your opinion on the Arsenal players behaviour at the 2010 World Cup?}

01 Nov 2014 19:51:40
Honestly I couldn't care less that I didn't get his sig, even at the time because I didn't like that he played for United. I mentioned it to highlight the type of person he is, that he couldn't give a child that idolises the jersey he wears(Ireland) a simple token. And yet Niall Quinn could.

It doesn't matter whether he ended halaand career, what matters is that he had the intent to do real harm to. And then in his book -"the ball was there (i think)" that's not admitting it that's mocking it. Plenty of players go out for revenge. And they about it by outplaying the other man by no uncertain terms, embarrassing them with sheer ability. Why couldn't Keane do that? Because by his own admission he's driven by hate. That's some quality in a human being.

I think anyone involved in 2010 should be disgusted by they're own actions. Arsenal players or not.

And how much do you really know about the Irish media? Starting to think Keane would be right at home in Scotland

{Ed007's Note - You obviously do care or you wouldn't mention it, it's nothing but petty and immature otherwise. As for the Irish media, like everything else, I'll know a hell of a lot more about it than you. I've probably forgotten more than you know, sorry I'll rephrase that, I have forgotten more than you know. So what do you know about Scotland because you sound as if you'd be right at home at Ibrox.}

01 Nov 2014 20:49:05
So rather than tell me what you know about it you make a self aggrandising statement?

I only mention it to highlight the difference between a model professional/all around nice guy and Roy Keane.

But then again you know more than me so maybe I am emotionally scarred. Thanks Dr. Phil.

You'd be the man to get me box tickets i'm sure

@ED007, I do ed although I admittedly didn't see him play all that much. If you're looking for a testimonial, Considine has one for Aberdeen soon! I've hardly been on the (Celtic) site recently, how's?Maloy?, I can't recall the name, but the poster who had a heart attack earlier this year doing?

{Ed007's Note - Timalloy's doing fine mate, I'll pass on your good wishes, he is back posting but not as regular until his health improves some more. I didn't know Considene was getting a testimonial but there's no way I could travel up to Aberdeen on crutches, it's hard enough getting to Celtic or Accies games as it is lol}

That's good news then! Ah, no way, what happened to you? I'll be in London during it anyway, but I don't think I'll be missing out!

{Ed007's Note - I had an accident 15 years ago, around 7 tonnes of steel H beams fell on me, and fractured my leg in 6/7/8??? places and shattered my ankle. I had to get plates and pins in my leg and a 'bionic' ankle fitted. I was back working and then about 5 years ago all the metal work became infected and had to be taken out, I've been on crutches ever since and had another 5 operations, not counting keyhole surgery, as well. About 3/4 years ago it became so badly infected they were saying I might lose my foot, one of the ops was to physically stretch my achilles by I think it was 5 inches, I've got some lovely pics if you're interested lol.
I have an interior ankle impingement and some other problems but I don't think it'll get any better soon. I had to give up everything, my Celtic ST, playing football and golf even doing some weights and training in the house. I still try to get to as many games as possible but it's difficult myself and I can't expect mates to give up their pre and post match pi$$ up to babysit me, plus I get very self-conciuous being outside on crutches so I don't really go out much at all - probably why I tend to ramble on on the sites. Gee that sounds so depressing when I read that back lol, sorry.}

Ed007, I love a gory picture ed! That's absolutely devastating, I thought you meant you picked up a little knock or something. Thanks for sharing that though.

{Ed007's Note - I've posted some onto the Arsenal Dodgy Sightings paste so Ed033 will get them up at some point, they are a couple of the less gory/funky looking ones so keep an eye out for them lol I'm not the type who sits around moping and complaining their lot, I know there's folk out there in far worse situations than me.}