Arsenal Banter Archive October 22 2014

22 Oct 2014 22:18:09
Anderlects goal today was identicle to the one conceded on the weekend no aggression in defending the header!

{Ed025's Note - the whole team looks devoid of self belief to me K..

22 Oct 2014 22:08:40
Anyone who said giroud is better than benzema. Behave. he's a step up or two

{Ed025's Note - or three..

Eds lol

22 Oct 2014 22:06:25
Laughable, woeful, half hearted, and frankly embarrassing. Genuinely felt sorry for Alexis, only player without his thumb up his arse.

22 Oct 2014 22:52:11
Alexis and Gibbs the only two players on their game tonight, both involved in the goals at the end.

Gibbs always does well for us. Big big fan

22 Oct 2014 21:57:52
Well we got away with that one, not sure how we managed to win that with such a poor performance. Anderlect players must be totally deflated.

So from looking like a battle to qualify with just 3 points we now have the chance to qualify just about with a win at Home in next game.

Sanchez the only one that had a decent enough game really. Wilshire poor, Flamini poor Chambers poor. I think he struggles as a RB I rather we use Monreal or Bellerin as RB and move Chambers in the centre.

That left hand side is still a problem for us with Gibbs getting exposed everytime on the counter. Carzorla provides zero protection and come inside too often. Wellbeck perhaps had his poorest game tonight failed to get hold of the ball enough.

Podolski and Ox need to used a lot more. They game on late and that is when we had our better pressure.

22 Oct 2014 21:50:48
Fluke a paper up the cracks job. This was Anderlecht. ANDERLECHT! Third rate belgian outfit the whole tem costs about 20mil. Look beyond the result, look at the performance, A better team wouldve finished us off. We'll hear a load of crap about team spirit now. i'm sorry for 89mins we were abject turd and coulve lost 3-0 if we weren't playing against basically a championship side.

22 Oct 2014 22:03:40
Yes we were dire. In fact we have been dreadful all year. But surely let's see if we improve when we get Kos and Walcott back. Ozil Giroud Jan. Can't get worse, can it?

22 Oct 2014 21:44:40
woeful, rubbish, awful, crap, dreadful, pathetic, disgraceful .

Yes we won

BUT

Probably the worst performance I have seen from Arsenal for over 20 years, my word it was THAT bad.

Going to say it

WENGER YOU HAVE TO GO

I am also trying to understand what role Pat Rice and Now Steve Bould play, those two defenders both worked under the superb George Graham and his defence yet there is non of those defensive attributes on show.

Everyone

We are a poor poor side .

Dreading Saturday

Merson is just saying it is as bad as it gets

Good point. The first season with Bould our defence improved a lot. People forget it now but it was basically because Mert and Kosc formed their partnership and Arteta had a very good season in holding midfield. He has got worse due to age and not always being played in that role. It is clear as day that we need a quality CDM - that will improve the situation significantly. But organisation has got worse too, particularly this season. Really hard to tell why, as even Koscielny has made glaring errors. It's an issue of man management and comes back to Wenger really.

No point in wenger having a number 2. he's too power mad to give them any credit. I think pulis in as his number 2 could save our season :)

22 Oct 2014 21:42:47
I'll take the points, but we got schooled by a team of schoolboys.

22 Oct 2014 21:42:03
Jesus we got out of jail but really only papering over the cracks of what was a shocker and that we very nearly got beat by a team like Anderlecht if it was Real or Barca we would have been hammered with defending like that. Very frustrating being an Arsenal supporter these days. Feel like I have run a marathon every time I watch them.

22 Oct 2014 21:40:38
I'll still stick with the fact my sons granny could do better but I do blame the tactics! But I did pee my pant a little when the pod scored, fair play to Sanchez walking of saying to the iopposition sorry, u did nt deserve that!

23 Oct 2014 00:20:29
So either your mum or mother in law then?

22 Oct 2014 21:38:53
Honestly can't help but laugh. Unacceptable performance, team looked broken, lacking creativity, drive and organisation. But somehow that happened. Still way off our level but hopefully some kind of turning point. Ridiculous.

22 Oct 2014 21:29:17
If a vieira or henry or fabregas were in this team theyd come out and say it.

But our team is full of mentally weak sycophants.

The manager is clueless and he's 10yrs past his sell by date

22 Oct 2014 21:23:20
This performance is inexcusable. How anyone can justify or qualify this I do not know. Our manager is a mad man. This football is merde. Wenger out

22 Oct 2014 21:31:42
Absolute disgrace there are no tactics to change our play. Wenger out total agree. I don't care if we pull a 2-1 win we played badly and look poor. We will be lucky to finish in the top ten at this rate.

PODSKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):)
what is wrong with us:(:( get it together guys!
phew. COYG andi:)

22 Oct 2014 21:15:16
Was that another headed goal conceded?

bloody Anderlecht.

Please I've been saying this for three years, Wenger OUT

22 Oct 2014 20:35:40
First half over. As poor a performance as I've ever seen us play. No fluency in the way we have played whatsoever.
Thank god we are not playing a top notch team.
That's all I can say on this game so far.

22 Oct 2014 20:59:08
Golds I nearly walked out the pub at half time. Its only because the boozer i'm in has the pool game on next to it that i'm here. Its like watching sunday league.

22 Oct 2014 09:44:01
Perhaps an ED can shed some light on my query.

i know you guys go on about not indulging in release clauses, but I would like to just inquire for my sanity.

since release clauses probably apply to the judicial system in the said country, I can understand why a release clause for a german player means nothing if Arsenal want said player.

however if a german team wants a said player, and the release clause is evident, they can practically offer the amount and get the player to agree to the move, with the selling club unable to stop the move, aka as a certain Goetze did.

am I right in saying so? or do I get the you know nothing Jon snow line?

{Ed002's Note - Spot on Lakerville. Dortmund are regretting adding release clauses with Munich now looking to Reus. My simple summary:

This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws.

The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax. There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about three years ago.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties are in the same country, and even then that only applies in certain countries - notably Spain and Portugal. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club does agree to match a release clause then the club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested. Examples are Goetze who decide he wanted to move and Cavani who, regardless of two offers that were made in 2012 that matched or equated to his then "release clause" recognised Napoli did not want to sell and could block a move abroad and he accepted a new package.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another.}

Very good question Lakerville and brilliant answer by ED002. I too was so confused by these "buy out" and "release" clauses. A good question, well answered. Cheers to you both

22 Oct 2014 10:00:05
Just listened to the full post match interview wenger did with that women reporter. He keeps saying we concede too many goals. Ok so go get us a world class goal keeper. A world class defender and world class DM and we will go from there you clown

Absolutely. I am not at all convinced by Szczesny, who is a safe kepper, but doesn't make many world class saves. I would like Begovic or try to rip Cech from Chelsea. Defence-wise, assuming we use Chambers as cover at centre back, we need another right back & a centre back. The right back we should sign is Clyne from Southampton and the centre back Nastasic from Man City. Defensive midfield players would be Pogba & Schneiderlin. These signings wouldn't be cheap, but would transform us into contenders. We could sell Arteta, Flamini, Coquelin, Ospina & Rosicky. I would be looking to releasing Abu Diaby at the end of the season, unless he makes a miraculous comeback.

Who do you suggest we get Derbygunner, you seem to have it sussed.

22 Oct 2014 13:10:22
You guys are hilarious.

Shezza got joint golden glove last season - He is fine.

another right back? are you drunk? we have 3! chambers will move back to CB cover when debuchy is injured - nobody could have expected his injury.

Pogba? No chance. way out of our pricing. Especially with the competition from others if he was available.

Derby - you've lost the plot.
Robbie - even the Ed's think you have lost it ;)

get in a CB/2 and a CDM such as Schniderlin and that's all we will do realistically.

Agree with Rob AFC. Although I still think we need a 4th CB. When Debuchy returns, that means we have 3 CBs (Kos, Per and Calum). We just need an extra CB(can be a CDM who also plays CB) and then an out and out DMF.

Solution:

Song on loan in January (6months)with view for permanent move nex summer
Schneiderlin or Khedira permanent (ASAP)
Arteta out next summer
Flamini out next summer

Rob afc - Firstly this is a banter page, meaning we can chat about our team. I fail to understand why so many people merely want to score points.
As far as the RB position is concened we have Debuchy who is a decent player. We have Bellerin who is inexperienced & lightweight, whereas the top teams like Man City have 2 top quality RB's in Sagna & Zabeleta. Chambers I believe will ultimately become a CB who can cover at RB. However, we need 8 first team top quality defenders. At present we are short.
As for Pogba, the Italian clubs are struggling financially & every player has their price. If I told you before they signed that we would sign Ozil, Sanchez & Welbeck, would you have believed me?
As for Szczesny, I stand by my comments & both the keepers I mentioned would improve the team.
If our aim is to compete with the top teams in the PL & CL, the signings I mentioned are the type we need. We are way off the likes of Man City, Chelsea & all the major European teams. We need to spend to get up there with them.
The Ed's are not always right

Yorkshire gunner. I would sign begavic to battle it out with szczesny

In midfield you can't tell me there's no one we could of signed and also in defence. i'm sick of people saying wenger tried zzzzzzz. If we pay the money for pogba and hummels I believe we would of got them. We need to stop making excuses for our manager

22 Oct 2014 06:45:37
Our injury situation is interesting. The long term injured players, Ospina, Debuchy, Ozil & Giroud all featured in the World Cup Finals, hence the post World Cup care at the club was not up to scratch. We now have Coquelin missing from tonight's squad & Abu Diaby continues to be absent from the first team squad. Koscielny, another World Cup casualty, has been played despite having an achilles complaint, that needed rest. If brought back to soon he may well require an operation. Currently, players are being played will little rest, such as Mertesacker & Chambers. Other players particularly the remaining defenders have little chance of rest before January when reinforcements can be brought in. Wenger must sort this problem out. He needs to look at the training regime, the tactical formation, the quality & balance of the squad and his ability to rotate players. It is no longer accpetable to consider our injuries unfortunate, they are a direct result of Wenger's policies. The medical team get blamed, but they are not responsible for the training methods, the formation used, the lack of defenders & rotation in the squad.

I have been thinking this for a long time. Good post!

Player management I feel has been below par for awhile now.

So we are once again saying it wengers fault. Only one solution then

We have nearly 900 injuries since the start of the premier league. 900! How can they be 'unfortunate' get a grip wenger.

Good post Robbie

21 Oct 2014 22:38:38
David Ospina out for 3 months.

Unbelievable.

We need to stop investing in players and start investing in a hospital

Id go and get begavic on jan the 1st. Or maybe valdes sooner as he's free agent.

Injuries are worst than ever now

Its not like those players are just waiting to join us, and if they are, its porbably because we have to over pay on wages.

we need to get consistent and compacency needs to be cut out. squad is decent if they get competetive. not going to win doubles and trebles but they can win trophies. but not as they are in their current form

21 Oct 2014 22:32:23
Chelsea score 6.
Bayern hammer Roma, scoring 7.

Can we follow suit tomorrow?