Arsenal Banter Archive November 04 2014

04 Nov 2014 23:38:05
Answer me this.

Who was our Captain tonight?
Our leader on the pitch?

Do you remember the days of our famous back 4?

Adams, Winterburn, Dixon, Keown/Bould.

Tony may have worn the armband, but they were all Captains.
Tony wasn't the only leader, they were all leaders.

How many times did you see Adams shouting at Dixon, or Winterburn shouting at Bouldy just for conceding a needless corner?

How many times did you see Tony telling Keown to 'get back and defend'?

Or Bould ordering Adams to stay with his marker?

How many times did you see Adams digging out Rocky (RIP) for letting the oppositions midfield player have a shot at goal from outside the box?

But more importantly, how many times do you see one of our current squad boll****ing another player?

We have no leaders on the pitch.

Sanchez.

05 Nov 2014 00:05:53
No leader in dugout either

05 Nov 2014 07:52:23
Dags

Completely agree with your point about lack of leadership but it runs much deeper than on the pitch.

I can of see Wenger tearing into the players after that tepid surrender so they will take their nic fat pay cheques home and they won't be worried about any repercussions like you or I would be if we messed up at work

Then who is going to drag Wenger into their office this morning and demand to know why that car crash happened?

Bottom line is that Kroenke doesn't care as long as the cash flows nicely. When that stops then he may show some leadership but until then he will sit across the pond counting the cash his English franchise earning him

Our lack of leadership starts with Kroenke and filter down to the pitch. No one is demanding success or even serious improvement. No one has the guts to challenge Wenger because no one in a high level position of authority has a football background and the boards hunger is for cash not success on the pitch

Sorry to say it but unless things change champions league qualification will soon be beyond us as ManU revitalise tha elves and Liverpool, Everton, spurs and even teams like Southampton show greater desire and ambition. We are going backwards like I've never seen before because no one is demanding footballing success and we have no leadership in the club at all

05 Nov 2014 08:29:05
Totally agree Soops.

Nail on the head.

04 Nov 2014 22:51:02
DAGS

I hope we lose the next two. tell me what will we gain from going through. fixture congestion and for nothing. We won't get anywhere near winning it and we don't need the extra few million for qualifying

04 Nov 2014 23:04:05
Bambam,

I hate to easy this, but totally agree with you mate.

In your avatar pic, Wenger looks clueless.

Very apt.

Like Hartlepool playing Hereford in the fa cup 1st round, winning it is a joke for both but they want to get a money boosting draw against one of the big boys, that's us down to a tee

I am Arsenal through and through but I am afraid we will have to go through some pain before this gets better

05 Nov 2014 00:15:32
We have nothing to gain by going through, this is true, we are not Quarter final material right now, and even if we are come February we won't be champion material.

But to hope to lose? That's loosing hope.
Arsenal losing is torturous for me I could never welcome that.
And I respect you're thoughts and opinions, and I see the reasons for you saying that but isn't that going against the reason you support the club in first place?

As supporters we will the team to triumph in adversary, do the things the we can't do and no one else thinks you can do.
To achieve the unachievable.
To be our heros and to share in the glory because we raise them to it.

We can never hope to lose that. Otherwise what's the point of it all?

05 Nov 2014 00:32:10
Sheeny,

I think Bambam's comment was just a knee jerk reaction to the match.

05 Nov 2014 00:34:40
auto correct *adversity

If we lose next two we could be in europa. That for me is worse. Thurs nights :(

04 Nov 2014 22:18:51
Looking at sanchez leave the field after he's bust a gut and given 100% for the 8th game in a row, I can't help but feel for the guy.

Hes leagues better than our next best player

He must be wondering what he's got himself into and potential future transfer targets?
Who worth their salt would want to join us rather than for money?
What do we have that would tempt a player who has a choice to choose us?

04 Nov 2014 22:01:17
Absolutely blooming ridiculous.

Any top team, with ambitions of winning anything, are capable of defending a 1-0 lead, never mind a 3-0 lead.

Who's to blame?
Wenger, because of his juvenile tactics.

3-0 up, bring Walcott on to stretch the game or play a more defensive formation to stifle Anderlecht's attacks.

Why keep attacking if you are 3-0 up?

The game was won and we qualify.

Now, if we lose at home to Dortmund and Anderlecht beat Gala at home, we have to go to Gala looking for a win just to qualify in 2nd.

I'm not a 'Wenger out' man, but jeez, the man has to learn how to manage from the 1st minute until the last.

Pi55ed off right now.

Shambles.

Are you saying he should have bought Walcott on at 3-0?

Yess that is what he is saying bring wallcott on to play on the counter.

04 Nov 2014 22:49:03
Its an option.

Probably at 3-1, when you know Anderlecht are going to push forward.

Either keep a few men back and stop all players going forward or take off Sanchez, who was knackered and bring on a fresh pair of legs, like Walcott, who will stretch the game and stop the full backs getting forward.

At least Walcott will push out wide and keep hold of the ball, thus stretching their back 4.

Its an option.

I think he possibly would have if Arteta hadn't gone off injured.

He should of brought on wanyama and alderwiereld should of started. Why was song not on the bench? Oh **** sorry.

05 Nov 2014 00:21:35
I think Walcott is the wrong call, he's not competitively fit and at 3-1 Anderlecht were looking too dangerous you can't bring a lad who has 20mins of football in 9mnts into the game at that point.

I was watching a dodgy link so I didn't see the bench I thought Walcott and Welbeck off were bad calls but I can;t really comment on who should have come in/out after that because I don't no who was available

05 Nov 2014 08:31:37
Lol Derby.

04 Nov 2014 21:45:07
These players (bar Alexis) need to grow a set and start to lead from the front. They need to take the lead and kill the game tempo wise and say 'forget about attacking, let's just see this out.' We have no-one who can do that.

We must look for 2 centre backs who have this attribute and a defensive midfielder with this attribute also. It's imperative that we add that to this team.

Just to touch on Welbeck. He's got to do more for me before I'll consider him as a worthy forward.

04 Nov 2014 22:22:03
We need 2 dm's. Arteta and flam are both total, utter useless .

I alse think as well as a cb we need a big upgrade in tne final third - sell Cazorla and rosicky and get someone better.


Most importantly we need another manager

04 Nov 2014 22:58:44
Maybe not another manager, but Wenger has to learn to change formations mid game.

At 3-0 up, tell Ramsey to hold back and cover the back 4 with Flamini or tell the back 4 to keep closer to each other, because they were getting pulled apart.

Naive defending but what do you expect when they have a naive manager?

U do make me laugh dags. Ul say so many things wrong with wenger but you just can't let him go :)

Your like the guy who won't let his old clapped out car go. Despite engine leaks. Break downs and a cam belt about to snap lol.

05 Nov 2014 08:33:56
Derby,

You can read me like a book lol

04 Nov 2014 21:43:33
How does that even happen?!

I don't see how we can attack as well as we do at times. Then all of Sanchez' work be undone by a woeful makeshift defence that should have been taken care of in the summer.

It's shocking some of the worst players we have are on wages like 30-50k! And even with the players we had on we should have been able to beat them no worries!

If Arsene put as much effort into reinforcing his defence like he does with the attack we would be world beaters! It's not like the players aren't out the for the taking either! Go and get them!

I'm embarrassed to go into work tomorrow (thankfully there's a lot of Scouse fans) because of that performance.

Flamini
Mertersacker
Monreal
Arteta

Please leave! They're doing nothing but hindering us! Go and buy a good few defenders in January and stop messing us about!

Id be more happy with a world class defender in January than I was when Mesut signed. And I was bloody happy then.

Enough is enough. Wenger out.

Cazorla is not good enough aswell, poldi is poor along with ramsey having a bad game and wenger being tactically inept cost us

04 Nov 2014 21:42:06
LOL

So so funny

SACK WENGER

Not because we couldn't hold on to a 3 goal lead but because of his blindness in the Summer transfer window.

Yes the first goal was offside but what woeful defending.

SHEENY

This is what I was on about, you said poor attacking play. it ain't mate, we gave a poor Belgium side 5 shots and they score 3 times.

Why didn't he bring Walcott to stretch the game, Sanchez was getting deeper and deeper and looked a spent force.

I hope we finish 7th, 8th or 9th

My god the whole club need to wake up.

People getting excited recently and saying there isn't much wrong. really.

I think they are forgetting we have just played Sunderland and Burnley. wow, real scalps

Bam bam can I just auto tag my name next to your in all your posts please. you speak nothing but the truth brother. It's wenger that picks the players and sets up where and how they play. He's unbelievebly poor tactically.

How the fudge did we lose a three goal lead!

Banbury some people need to get of the wengers still the one band waggon. This is his team, his doing and his mistakes, how many more times are we going to let teams pff the hook, before, someone realises the defence and the set up is wrong wrong wrong.

04 Nov 2014 22:04:47
I see exactly what you and a few others are saying but in reference to tonight's game it's still only 5 chances conceded.

That's not great deal. But it's a 60% conversion rate. We don't have that generally and if we did it prob wouldn't matter how many we concede because we create so much more than most teams (though I know that's not the point of the argument). We just don't make the most of it.

And granted tonight we fell apart and that is on the defence but surely Shez has to take a lot of the responsibility when the oppositions chance creation is low but they still score 60% of the time.

I know the defence has been poor I just think it's far to much of a simplification to blame the defence alone, or even give them the brunt of the blame.

1) The points I've already made on Shez 2) We don't defend from the front the way every other top team does, Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Chelsea all defend from the first man 80 yards away from goal. They rush and harry every ball to win possession and stunt the growth of the oppositions attack.

We do not.

04 Nov 2014 20:15:25
i am interested in the fact that we are in breach of ffp. what is the %of income a club is allowed to spend on wages and what are the punishments? and surely citys wage bill is a higher % of their income than ours, having already breached ffp, will they have any further sanctions? if anyone knows and has time to I would very much appreciate it thanks :)

{Ed002's Note - I have no interest in getting in to detail with the finances but the infraction that Arsenal has made is to do with the increase over the previous year - which is significant but will mean nothing more than a slapped wrist. The wage bill at Arsenal has increased significantly last season and this.}

Thanks for clearing that up for me ed

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal are in good shape financially and I don't see any issues arising from this.}

04 Nov 2014 16:45:30
It always saddens me when a youth prospect doesn't pan out - ideally I would like to see 2-3 to come through the system for every big signing, good for the culture and continuity.

Does anyone have any insight as to why Coquelin did not cut it.bags of potential, great athlete, high expectations and the right age for the position that we need youth in?

04 Nov 2014 17:22:38
Much the same as Eisfeld who had a great reputation before injury then came to us and looked pretty good in that crazy cup game against Reading. Never saw him near the first team again and now hardly gets a game for Fulham.

Coquelin from memory probably had his best game for us at right back, can't remember who against though.

Yeah, Eisfeld too - was supposed to be a special talent.

With our record we almost always have to go to places like Southampton to get the kids already developed and pay up! Are they better at it than us?

I have 5-1 today, welbeck 2, sanchez 2, ramsey 1!

05 Nov 2014 00:30:07
Dead right Red Dog, he got a string of games a few years ago at RB and I thought he was a real talent. Never saw how he could be a DM, then I saw him in DM. He's poor. Pitty he didn't develop at RB because I thought there was real potential there

05 Nov 2014 05:05:02
http://tinyurl.com/pmdcfw3

shows clubs acadamy players still playing in europes top 5 leagues, we are 2nd english club after united, southampton are surprisingly low

{Ed001's Note - until recently Southampton were in the lower leagues, so no one was trying to buy their players (other than Arsene), as they were not proven at the higher levels. They were able to hang on to the likes of Lallana for far longer while outside the top flight, now the amount of them spread throughout Europe should gradually increase.}

04 Nov 2014 12:37:07
Not Arsenal related,

Do you think The FA were too harsh on Rio Ferdinand?

£25,000 fine and 3 game ban for using an offensive word on Twitter?

Is the 3 game fine a bit over the top, as its not football related (as such),
Or do you think the FA were correct to punish him so heavily as he is an 'Ambassador for football'?

Not sure what he said but to be honest these players should know by now what is acceptable behaviour, especially someone like Rio who is very vocal about things being said which upset him.

It does seem like in this case they have probably made an example of him due to the incident with JT and his brother.

Personally I think they should just think before they 'type' and really it is his club that is being punished by him missing 3 games so they should stop his wages for that period!

And BTW I see Barton is piping up again, poor old harry must dread it every time those two start typing.

I say ban Joey Barton for 30 years just for breathing!

04 Nov 2014 14:13:15
I like the sound of that 337 re Barton and to be honest the FA have probably done QPR a favour by keeping the donkey Ferdinand out of the team.

Eeee Ooor, Eeee Oooor to be banned from social media too.

(Sorry about the donkey pun)

04 Nov 2014 15:32:36
Lol 337,

Stoner, are you saying Joey Barton is a pelican crossing? :-)

04 Nov 2014 16:30:31
Pelican crossing?
Lol, thanks Ed :-)

My grandson is on an Arsenal supported training course at a college it's a Btech course so is worthwhile, anyway he got invited to a Nike boots promotion & met Joey Barton. Now I don't like the bloke at all, but like most of us never talked to him. My grandson said he was a really nice bloke spent an hour 1 on 1 chat with him he talked to all the guys & ended up sitting on the grass with the guys around him talking about the game. Where he went wrong & what the game is like & answered all the questions.
Makes you wonder what the press builds up on the guys.

{Ed002's Note - I have to say that Barton has matured a lot in the past three years - and his time in Marseille was well spent. He certainly will talk to folks sensibly and he has some good stuff to say.}

04 Nov 2014 09:06:51
Ahoy gooners, anyone here into basketball? Specifically the NBA, where in the players value/worth is based on their salary rather than a transfer fee.

Now with Theo's contract making news this morning, if you were him or his agent, representative or relative. How much would you value Theo Walcott at in terms of salary/wages?

Lets say he is on the reported £100k per week that he signed for a couple of years ago, in the current market is he worth more than what we pay Ozil? More than what we pay Podolski and Welbeck combined?

And if you had to "trade" Theo for another player/s for the value of their contract not transfer fee who would it be?

Apologies if you don't get it, i'v been smoking herb and playing basketball video games for past few weeks.
It happens

I think hel get what sanchez and ozil are on.

{Ed001's Note - how do you factor his injury history into it? Or does that not matter in this as insurance pays the wages when they are out injured?}

No idea I just think his new deal will put him on 125k plus a week.

04 Nov 2014 10:31:37
Ed001- Wonder what the premiums are for Theo, Jack and Kieran. . . make a big hole in the wages bill I expect!