28 Feb 2016 17:39:23
This is a post in response to Steve's post. Purely because I am one of those people it's aimed at, I'm happy to explain myself. I've always been Wenger in, and on the fence at worst (Nasri and RVP decisions) . Most of that is due to a) what he achieved in titles and cups in his first period b) I recognise that he guided the club through poor finances and a stadium build while keeping us in the champions league c) I like the way, on the whole he likes football played, for the purists like myself. The beautiful game. d) I like the arsenal teams he built/ He built half the invincibles, he built two or three teams since and brought well on the whole - he takes unknown players and made them greats. Unfortunately we have always skirted the title in the last decade but never managed it. City and Chelsea bought the title, Utd had Fergie, we had to sell our players. There was always good reason to think circumstances were the issue. I still think when Wenger is gone people will see it differently. I doubt we'll ever have another decade or two of club stability like we have had. But, I'm not scared to say he can go, everything comes to an end. But I still appreciate what he has done for the club. It's called respect. Every man has his flawed, Wengers are his stubbornness, his Wengervision, his complete belief you don't set up in opposition; his bizarre belief that you can win the title without a 20-25 goal striker. But, when his teams played well, we have played the best football in the league. SO when Wnegerouts# come on here and make out he is clueless - it's crap. He's not. Just maybe not good enough anymore. 12 games to go, he needs to win them all.

{Ed025's Note - cracking post that baggins..

1.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 18:04:14
Top post Baggins,
I'm pretty much in the same camp as you, although my patience is blowing in the wind.

It's easy to blame Wenger, but the team he put out is pretty much our strongest team, with strong options on the bench.

Blame Wenger yes, but the players are more to blame.
None of them, and I make no exception, wear the shirt with pride, the way Dixon, Keown, Winterburn and Adams did.

When things go wrong, these players just put their hands down and stroll to the centre circle.

Players, like the above, use to shout and scream at each other.
They were leaders, we have no such players in this team.

2.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 18:24:36
I think money has killed the kind of game you mean though Dags. These guys are all millionaires, its about money, 'professionalism' slefishness, not selflessness; not about heart and soul. You are right though, what I would do for an adams or viera right now. Our players now are just like metrosexual submissives:) . Anyway, it's the worst we've played all year, Wenger should have made that clear. We were dreadful.

3.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 18:29:53
I was not having a pop at you ozil, i have always repected opinion, it was the people who personally called me stupid names and slagged my opinion instead of debating it. You are not in that camp. I respect opinion whatever, i just don't think your opinion should be made personal. My opinion is my opinion and i know that's all it is, opinion and nothing else.

{Ed025's Note - and thats fair enough steve..

4.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 18:30:26
Good post by the way.

5.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 18:33:24
Like you say Dagenham gunner Players like Dixon and Adams Etc. were reflective of the fans and every defeat really hurt them and their pride and were determined to put things right in the next game.

You just don't see that in many of the current players, they will all be happy joking around in training tomorrow like they give the impression at least they don't care. They have it too easy and Wenger needs to get tough and start dropping underperforming so called star players.

Yes every player can suffer lose of form and confidence but real winners don't hide their damn make sure they work their socks off and battle themselves back into form.

6.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 18:52:46
United fan here, I'm wondering how arsenal fans can still back wenger, the guy hasn't been good enough for years and getting rid of him at the end of last season would of been your best option when the likes of klopp and pep were available. This guy is meant to be great at developing young players yet hasn't really developed any significant player in years. Whilst wenger is in charge you won't win the league, your squad is a decent squad and with a couple of additions could be a great squad.

7.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 18:57:08
Ryan P you are right, Steve cheers mate, as you say, its opinion and it's close to the heart for us all and therefore painful. I do agree something has to change.

8.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 19:08:47
Very good post, you are right he has lost his way and you are right when he has gone we might regret comments but as you rightly say things come to an end. ask Man U .

A man at Chelsea would be available.

9.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 19:09:41
Sred there's not many left. I've been dying for a change for 4 years or so. But Stan has to go to.

10.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 19:24:43
Banbury maureens going to man u. Lol.

{Ed025's Note - he may have meant hiddink steve..

11.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 19:43:11
I do ED

Steve's been in hibernation for 4 months lol.

{Ed025's Note - hes now known as..steve the hedgehog BG.. :)

12.) 28 Feb 2016
28 Feb 2016 20:55:25
I know who you meant that's why i put lol. I want a younger manager, the games for young managers now, the best managers in the top 10 in europe are mostly 40ish.