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23 Sep 2021 04:35:01
So I know a lot of people on here really don't rate arteta for many reasons. tactics, team selection, Saliba (I don't know one football fan I speak to not baffled by this) and man management to name but a few, and they may well prove to be totally correct. but I just want to say the direction I see this team heading in makes me feel good about the squad, not because we've beaten 3 teams we should be beating without a shadow of a doubt but more because of the core of youth that is being forged into a team that could potentially play together for a very long time, I am very much a rose tinted glasses fan who overly backs our team when I probably shouldn't but who can honestly say that atleast 75% of the youngsters in this team aren't truly exciting prospects? The project that they are building excites me massively and although I'm still not 100% convinced arteta will get the quick fire results he needs this season to ensure he bears the fruits of this youth gamble a decent manager that potentially follows arteta will have an amazing base to build from, something we haven't had for a very long time. I hope he gets the time to see out his vision for the squad but I genuinely don't think he will last that long. surely MA, Edu and co atleast deserve some credit for having the balls to do this when they must have known the stick they would get. sorry for the essay just nice to post something positive about our club in a time where for years there's been very little to be optimistic about COYG.

Marshallmk

1.) 23 Sep 2021 09:48:21
Couldnt agree more, the youth coming through is very exciting! doesn't mean much for this season, and possibly next, but if talents like Patino, Biereth, Balogun, Taylor-Hart etc continue to develop at the current rate, we are in luck. Add these to Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Sambi, Pepe, White, Ramsdale, Tavares! The squad can be insane in a few years!


2.) 23 Sep 2021 10:46:45
I don't want to throw a spanner in the works but genuine question, how long can we keep Saka ERS Teirny without being able to offer them competitive football both at home and in Europe?
Top teams who can offer top football will come in for them I'm sure.

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Saka.}


3.) 23 Sep 2021 13:03:01
Who has interest in Saka Edoo2?

{Ed002's Note - Bukayo Saka (LM/LW) Atletico have enquired after his availability and Juventus have have declared an interest.}


4.) 23 Sep 2021 13:21:41
Agreed 62, I said a few weeks ago our talented youngsters would be off in a couple of seasons if we don’t start competing and who could blame them.


5.) 23 Sep 2021 13:58:02
It's only natural players want to play at the very top Banbury mate, people say, "if these youngsters stick with us we will be this that and the other in 3 years time " but Saka and ERS have been at Arsenal a long time and like us they've heard it all sp many times before.

We need to actually show the football world that Arsenal are back in the business of being a truly competitive club before anyone is going to take us seriously again.


6.) 23 Sep 2021 15:47:06
But the difference I see now is the base is fully there, what we need now is a couple of top established players sprinkled in to the mix, yes we are gona struggle to attract that type of caliber player but I genuinely think if we were to throw enough money at a truly top talent each window it’s possible… money talks and we no longer have the need for 4,5 or 6 players each window, just my opinion and not saying it’s possible or even likely but the foundation has been set in my opinion, next two or three windows will be crucial for the direction we go and if we can retain the bulk of this talent we’re brimming with.


7.) 23 Sep 2021 16:19:29
I see what you are saying Marshall mate but progress needs to be proven for any of it to have a realistic chance of happening.
A 3rd successive 8th place finish won't impress the ambitious players we already have or attract ambitious big name players to us so Arteta needs to show people he's the man by getting the best out of an already very decent squad.

Chelsea let club legend Frank Lampard go and brought in Tuchel who won the champions league with the same players Frank had not the players he has now and if we accept another 8th place from Mikel them we won't deserve anything better.

All clubs are where they themselves put themselves and all clubs are currently reaping the rewards the choices and decisions they have made in the recent past.


8.) 23 Sep 2021 16:23:37
Great point about the youth. Obviously we were very much youth orientated in our transfer market activity, plus our own youngsters coming through. But the 64,000€ question is Arteta the man to make it all gell.


9.) 23 Sep 2021 17:51:28
I agree Bill, we have a short window of opportunity with this young squad; get it right and we could keep them together and reap the rewards on the pitch for sometime, get it wrong and the squad will naturally disperse leaving us with only those who failed to impress bigger more successful teans.

Giving Arteta this short window is an absolutely huge gamble.

I doubt very much any Chelsea fans now wish they had stuck with Frank out of loyalty and given Tuchel a miss.


10.) 23 Sep 2021 19:41:50
I’m super excited about the youth and talent in the squad. I would like some experienced players to lead them as well as winners to teach them. My concern is with the boss and Edu. Arteta is so stubborn and tinkers too much while he doesn’t seem to be able to make big in game decisions or man manage.

I don’t think it’s taken balls to run with youth - we don’t really have a lot of options and it’s what we’ve been saying on the site for a while.

We needed a revolution and we are slowly getting there but like the youth team Wenger tried to build…. Hopefully it doesn’t start disintegrating due to lack of medals or to fund some other need.

Nothing against Arteta but I just don’t rate him that highly.


11.) 23 Sep 2021 21:32:38
I get the optimistic out look but I do think a lot of it is based on conformation bias.

If we were still in our pomp and fighting for titles and Liverpool were currently in our exact position with our current squad, with Mikel as their manager and had our last 5 seasons reord of 6th 5th 5th 8th 8th would we be concerned about them in the slightest?

Our only real tangible assets at this moment in time are our young players who are actually doing it right here right now in the premier league, we could increase those tangible assets overnight by replacing our novice manager who is obviously struggling badly at this level with an experienced manager who isn't currently struggling at all but is and has for a long time now constantly exceeded expectations.


12.) 23 Sep 2021 23:16:23
Spot on 62 and a change in style of play plus some experience.


 

 

20 Jan 2021 08:18:42
So I know I missed the original post about favoured Özil moment but for me funnily enough it was a pre match moment 😂 think it was maybe a CL game can't be sure but the keepy uppy with the chewing gum and then the cheeky smile afterwards made me feel all warm and fuzzy 🥰🥰 despite his obvious ability to divide opinion nobody can deny his class, in the good times he was a true pleasure to watch and rightly sits high in my rank of all time best

Good luck mesut ❤️.

Marshallmk

1.) 20 Jan 2021 09:21:14
All time best?

Don’t make me laugh

I can name at least 20 arsenal players who were far better than him

He would never get in the invincibles.


2.) 20 Jan 2021 10:30:19
Nowhere near one of the best players. Give your head a wobble mate.


3.) 20 Jan 2021 12:45:16
I’m an Ozil fan but he’s not one of the greats like Brady, Pires, Overmars ( great but to short a career to be a legend) , cesc, Freddie, Rocky, DB10 etc etc from a creative perspective then you look at other positions

He’s just not on that list but he’s one of the most mouthwatering signings I can remember. Like when we signed DB10.

{Ed0666's Note - what Arsenal fans would give for a DB in his prime now


4.) 20 Jan 2021 14:47:54
Or Pires / Overmars on left wing rather than PEA!


5.) 20 Jan 2021 18:28:07
Oh Santi too!


6.) 20 Jan 2021 18:52:40
Arshavin Was an exciting signing but I guess a little like Ozil - didn’t quite deliver at the level anticipated but still a big name and still a quality player but not in our “best” list

I really used to like Limpar but that might have more to do with him being a non Typical GG signing 😂.


7.) 20 Jan 2021 20:08:35
He won’t go down an arsenal great but I have seen first hand some seriously quality moments and it’s a shame could have been better.


8.) 20 Jan 2021 21:21:29
Imagine Bergkamp in today's side?
How average wouid he make all our mature players look.
Bergkamp stood out in our best ever side but those around him never look out of thier depth being in the same side as him, but playing next to Laca and Pea Bergkamp would look like a brand new Rolls Royce on used Skoda forecourt.


 

 

30 Dec 2020 11:44:13
Yawn to all the people crying bout PEA. it's a dip in form, guy carries us completely for 2 seasons, has a goal record to rival most across Europe since hitting the top stage, everyone begging for him to sign weeks ago now murmurs of selling him? Smh The guy is playing in the weakest team I've ever seen us have for creativity so ofcourse when he stops carrying we slump, fact is we all cry out for passionate loyal players but offer them very little in the way of loyalty in return, if our other attackers/ midfielders were half the players he is we wouldn't need one player for all our goals

Apologies and rant over but as you can probably tell that kinda irked me lol.

Marshallmk

1.) 30 Dec 2020 11:56:49
Couldn’t agree more! Top post mate 👌🏼.


2.) 30 Dec 2020 12:03:53
Really? Nobody is doubting he “was” a top player for us and also players dip in form I’ve been watching arsenal since 1976, the issue is he is not trying like he did before the new contract.
Last night he showed a bit more urgency than in recent games but his body language tells a story
Maybe he’s tired? Maybe he’s carrying an injury? If this is the case then rest him but please don’t blame all the other players .
We have the best crop of teenagers and early 20 players we’ve had for years, I’d say the best crop of youngsters in the EPL maybe they’re not quite ready but they certainly show desire unlike PEA.


3.) 30 Dec 2020 12:05:48
Yeah strongly second that.


4.) 30 Dec 2020 12:24:05
Well said.


5.) 30 Dec 2020 12:25:47
Don’t call somebody world class then moan saying he doesn’t have quality around him. He’s a good striker, he’s not world class. How bad have arsenal fans expectations fallen? We had players like Henry upfront but you still want to call Auba world class. I’ll take Kane, a fit Augero and Vardy over him any day of the week.


6.) 30 Dec 2020 12:38:42
I agree we have some good youngsters coming through but to say best in epl? Maybe two or three of the best products but I’d draw the line there personally, can anyone say we have any world class playmakers or even attacking players who we could rely on game in game out? All I’m saying is the only one I see close to that in our squad is getting paid £1.4m+ to sit in the stands, albeit possibly with good reason. ESR looks an insane prospect as does martinelli and Saka but that’s a whole lot of youth to depend upon and a lot of pressure for them, if saka dips in form for half a season should we be looking to sell him on? Same people slating Tierney purchase due to injury’s now lauding him after every game again barely a season on. my point stands if we expect loyalty so should the players is all mate.


7.) 30 Dec 2020 12:41:54
Are you agreeing with the first post or the reply questioning PEA ability.

I’ve always said he’s lazy and not world class but I wanted him to sign based on his goal scoring abilities. He wouldn’t have scored that number of goals playing like he is now. But he’s been starved of service and looked a little more up for it in second half. He’s also the best we could afford.

He’s our captain and our talisman - he needs to step up and show the leadership required. Now with improved service; no excuses.

I do think we should expect more from him (not due to wage) due to his previous performances and standing within the club and the industry. Same goes for Willian etc.


8.) 30 Dec 2020 12:42:11
Well said DG, all those mentioned above give 100% in every game, and a world class player would make their own chances if they weren’t getting them from their team mates
Can’t imagine Henry or wrighty sitting there complaining nobody is passing to them can you?


9.) 30 Dec 2020 12:42:23
Auba isn’t world class? Lost for words
Very few players in arsenals future will ever touch Henry, he was above world class, a God for us so we shouldn’t compare imo, and tbh put auba in THAT team Thierry had and you think he’d not score for fun? Lol.


10.) 30 Dec 2020 13:10:39
Thierry made many of his own chances and was PART of the TEAM every time he pulled on the shirt!
There are other players atm that really aren’t good enough, elneny, xhaka, holding to name a few but as long as they give 100% they’re the best we’ve got
That my point EXACTLY if he gave 100% I have no issue if his form dips and he isn’t scoring for a while.


11.) 30 Dec 2020 18:47:58
PEA is a quality striker. He’s not world class and if he was I doubt we would have been able to sign him. Henry was the closest thing we’ve had along with DB10 up front that you would say are truly world class. Is PEA up there with those two or ZZ or Messi or Ronald. That’s world class. PEA is quality but his attitude which has always been questionable as well as his desire to win probably prevents him being world class because he’s a bit hit and miss. That’s the difference between a quality restaurant and one with a couple of Michilen stars. Consistency at the highest level rather than hitting it every so often is the difference in my book.

You can compare attitudes between PEA and Henry or desire to win or ability to turn a game singlehandedly or respect from fellow pros.

That’s not me knocking PEA but putting him into perspective - he’s currently showing a really poor side to his character when the club, fans and boss need their big personalities. He’s not standing up to be counted, embarrassingly he’s letting the kids lead by example.

Frustratingly we don’t have a Keown type leader to tell him how embarrassing that is for a player of his ilk.


12.) 30 Dec 2020 19:21:04
Well said SY4 and 337 the best of the best make their own chances and will drop to go for the ball if his teams are lagging. He has good technical skills to find the back of the net but most times he has to be running at pace and doesn't seems that good in beating players in tight spaces. It could be one of the reason why he hasn't been scoring of late because we were playing too slow. He is too satisfied in scoring just one goal in a game and.


13.) 30 Dec 2020 19:55:53
Glad to see I’m not alone on this one I was beginning to think I was delusional again 😂.


 

 

01 Jul 2020 08:43:55
Hi guys, just wondering if arsenal have really demanded st ettiene have to sacrifice a £2m bonus if they wanted to extend Salibas deal to allow for the french cup final?

If true I think it is a dishonest move from the club both towards ST E and Saliba himself, the kid must be desperate to play and arsenal are effectively demanding they pay £2m or he misses out, I get if the season wasn't interrupted they would have had to pay it but it was so feel we should pass on it (despite limited funds) and just let the boy play, maybe I'm being too sentimental in a business minded sport but just seems harsh.

Marshallmk

{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea.}


1.) 01 Jul 2020 09:47:04
Isn’t their season over?

{Ed002's Note - The Cup Final will be played at the end of July.}


2.) 01 Jul 2020 09:52:28
If true it's ridiculous in my opinion mate.


 

 

 

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20 Jul 2020 14:39:13
With Saliba coming end of season I don’t think we need another cb personally, would like a commanding holding mid and either buy DC permanently or go for another playmaker, not forgetting we still have the option of giving ESR more game time next season, I think our biggest need is contract extensions over signings.

Marshallmk

{Ed047's Note - I’m kind of agreeing with you Marshall, firstly what available world class CB is out there who we could get?

Also feel Saliba, Luiz, Holding, Mari and dare I say it, Mustafi will be good for now.

Get the contracts sorted and get a quality midfield replacement for Ozil along with keeping Ceballos, PEA and Lacazette.

With the right organisation and mindset as we’ve seen lately we can achieve a lot more.


 

 

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08 Jun 2020 19:47:35
I think Ramsey and Theo both had a few seasons where they completed most of not all games then a few injury ravaged ones, I think wilshere and diaby are probably the main two that fit you’re arguement but I think the reason they got so much time was because wilshere was arsenal to the core and we and wenger all saw that and diaby got so much time because he was pure insane when fit, we all saw viera in him and held on to that, not saying give him 5 or 10 years but to want to sell someone who has evidently immense ability after missing about 20 games is maybe a bit too harsh imo. just my two cents :)

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08 Jun 2020 01:34:09
Gunner we stuck with RVP for so many years before he came good why can’t we give KT more than one season before writing him off?

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08 Jun 2020 01:32:24
Pretty much the lions share of young players have regular injuries, especially as defenders, in my opinion he has all the makings of a world class player, and as for the saka comments how long do you think he will stay at Arsenal being asked to play fb when it’s clear for all to see he is a terrifying prospect on the wing? I just have this huge feeling that if we let tierney or saka go it will be like gnabry all over again, we have the most promising young players coming through we’ve had in a very long time. saka nelson willock ESR nketiah and I think we made a very good buy in tierney too we just need to be patient with the lad.

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06 Jun 2020 21:38:57
I genuinely don’t understand why we would want to move KT on already, I understand he has had injury problems but from what I’ve seen of him he has the potential to become one of the best fb’s around, I for one really hope we stick with him and hope he gets an injury free spell.

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26 Sep 2021 23:40:23
Not aimed at me but I’ll Chuck my 2 cents in anyway lol… Ramsdale Is already winning over his many many doubters in such a short space of time… he’s really impressed me like most have said more for the way he commands the team being so young, tomi looks like an absolute bargain and I’m sure Tottenham are kicking themselves over passing the opportunity to sign him, I think arteta clearly knew exactly what he wanted with him and his knack for dropping in to make us a 3 back when needed then instantly reverting to a 4 when under pressure and were reaping the rewards… lakonga I’ve seen less of but what’s impressed me with him is the quick turns and release of the ball, he doesn’t seem to mind receiving the ball when someone’s closing him down and whilst inevitably it means he’s gona occasionally lose the ball in the middle when he gets away from his man it creates a lot of space to carry the ball in the middle. white is a tricky one, I think he will struggle when he doesn’t have a powerhouse next to him but him and gab compliment each other well… said it before but these youngsters could be the basis for a truly great side… God knows we’ve suffered so to have even the optimism that we could once again start knocking on the doors of CL spaces is enough to make me an excited gooner again….

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23 Sep 2021 15:47:06
But the difference I see now is the base is fully there, what we need now is a couple of top established players sprinkled in to the mix, yes we are gona struggle to attract that type of caliber player but I genuinely think if we were to throw enough money at a truly top talent each window it’s possible… money talks and we no longer have the need for 4,5 or 6 players each window, just my opinion and not saying it’s possible or even likely but the foundation has been set in my opinion, next two or three windows will be crucial for the direction we go and if we can retain the bulk of this talent we’re brimming with.

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01 Sep 2021 10:21:21
Completely agree Ed… fingers crossed for the lad.

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30 Dec 2020 12:42:23
Auba isn’t world class? Lost for words
Very few players in arsenals future will ever touch Henry, he was above world class, a God for us so we shouldn’t compare imo, and tbh put auba in THAT team Thierry had and you think he’d not score for fun? Lol.

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30 Dec 2020 12:38:42
I agree we have some good youngsters coming through but to say best in epl? Maybe two or three of the best products but I’d draw the line there personally, can anyone say we have any world class playmakers or even attacking players who we could rely on game in game out? All I’m saying is the only one I see close to that in our squad is getting paid £1.4m+ to sit in the stands, albeit possibly with good reason. ESR looks an insane prospect as does martinelli and Saka but that’s a whole lot of youth to depend upon and a lot of pressure for them, if saka dips in form for half a season should we be looking to sell him on? Same people slating Tierney purchase due to injury’s now lauding him after every game again barely a season on. my point stands if we expect loyalty so should the players is all mate.

Marshallmk