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04 Dec 2021 19:13:26
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04 Dec 2021 18:28:54
Stuck my neck out before Thursday and said 2 wins, Utd ad Everton, now I cannot see us even getting a draw on Monday. Arteta is not competent enough to take us through this building stage. So me personally even though his managerial track record isn't great, I am tempted if the present situation carries on Everton away and Southampton at home to give Paddy a chance.
No disrespect to Palace but o think he would come to us.

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04 Dec 2021 19:08:01
But would we not be letting our hearts rule our heads again Bill mate?
Other than Arsenal legend there are a lot more qualified managers to gamble on mate.

Roberto Mancini has done it all in Italy England and at international level
Roberto Martinez at Swansea Wigan and with Belgium, OK it went sour in the end at Everton but even then he's done better than anyone else post Moyse

In my opinion this is the level of management we need to be looking at if we are serious about fighting back against our steady but sure decline over the last 17 years.

{Ed014's Note - none of those 3 for me I’m afraid, don’t think they are up to challenging Klopp, Pep or Tuchel, especially not Martinez who is woeful.

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04 Dec 2021 17:13:37
West Ham continue their fine form - Moyes is doing an ok job there.

{Ed014's Note - probably a bit better than ok to be fair or were you being a little tongue in cheek.

All whilst our clown continues to embarrass us!

#ArtetaOut

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04 Dec 2021 17:36:39
He’s doing a brilliant job mate - and puts our clown to shame.

{Ed014's Note - absolutely mate, our clown was even outsmarted by Michael bloody Carrick! 🤦‍♂️

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04 Dec 2021 18:06:46
ARTETA OUT!

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04 Dec 2021 18:35:21
We've got to secure someone proven soon even if they can't start until next summer.

Conte for how ever long he's there will make spurs serious top 4 candidates
United may or may not get it right in the latest attempt to replace Fergie next summer
Newcastle will sooner or later become a top 4 threat
West Ham are and Leicester have shown themselves not so far away from snatching 4th.

If we just let Arteta carry on we could soon see his previous 8th places finishes as success.

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04 Dec 2021 07:39:07
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 4th December 2021

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03 Dec 2021 15:11:16
Saka and ESR won’t take long to have the penny drop - when players get in their ears at England camps it’s goodbye.

Nativity to think they will stay at a club that can’t finish in the top 4.

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03 Dec 2021 15:50:31
That's the way of things mate if mid table clubs produce quality players the big boys come along and take them away.


We lost a lot of good players in the past who wanted more than just 4th place ambition so left to compete for and win titles elsewhere which was always going to happen and now we can't even get in the Europa league that situation obviously isn't improved.

If ever we do get 4th place again it has to be seen as just a stepping stone achievement this time rather than once again becoming ambition fulfilled tick box.

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03 Dec 2021 16:25:41
Nativity lol.

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03 Dec 2021 17:11:26
A company I used to work for were always banging on about " if you not moving forward your going backwards " It bored me tears hearing it at every meeting, but it does sum up Arsenal's 4th place happy years and prove my old company did have a point after all.

As a club we are still paying the price for our arrogance from 2006 to 2017 when we thought we could cruise from season to season just doing enough.

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03 Dec 2021 14:40:17
We are miles of competing for top 3.

We are a top 6 team and which gets us into EL. I don't really want to see us fail in Champs League and have no dreams of competing.

We are able to be top 6 even with Mikel and PEA failings.

So - I honestly think I'd like to see a more energetic and youthful front line with Martinelli as one of the front two. I thought he was great against Newcastle and Utd. I like the idea below of Balogun and Martinelli getting a shout. What do we have to lose? At least they put a shift in and know where the goal is,

If we went for a youthful team - I still think we need some better leadership on the pitch (so may be a more experienced CDM) and I'd even look to see if we can get an experienced CD to be honest as Gabs and White aren't experienced and make mistakes. Who do they get guidance from.

That would give us leadership in goal, CD and CDM.

I think we need to move out some of the light weight players like Ode and Pepe. They are to inconsistent and when Saka or ESR ( ERS for some people 😂) are not available we look too weak with the people stepping up.

We don't have the distraction of Europe yet we looked tired and uninterested in position against Utd while others looked prone to lapses or just ineffective. The squad couldn't handle European football, FA Cup run and competing for top 5 in my opinion.

That then leaves the manager - I need to see a lot more between now and the summer to stick with him. Whether we have top players ( which I don't think he can handle ) or youth players ( don't think he has the experience to coach ) I just not sure Mikel is the man. If you have youth then you need to be tactically aware, not learning on the job also as well as good in game management. I'm still hoping he turns it around but i am just not seeing it.

I doubt the board will be brave. They just don't have football in their blood or watch enough of our games in my opinion. We need to get strong leadership and a sense of identity as a club. We can either always thing we will improve tomorrow or we actually go about improving tomorrow. COYG ❤️ - let's have a brave window and make some changes for the better. Let's make London red again.

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03 Dec 2021 16:59:46
Nice speech SY, I almost got up and start clapping lol.
But in a serious note, good point.

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03 Dec 2021 20:56:19
Everyone is miles off top 3 sy, possibly Manchester United could be in the mix with a world class manager but spurs, Arsenal, West ham, Everton etc can't compete with them mate.

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04 Dec 2021 09:58:21
I agree that's the case at the moment Raver mate but 5 years ago before Klopp arrived Liverpool would have been seen as one of the clubs on the outside looking in rather than one of the elite they are today.

Klopp not only had the ability as a coach to get the football side of things right but also the character and wisdom to change the whole mentality at the club, players, owners staff and even the fans themselves.

Klopp demanded 100% from every part of the club and the rest as they say is history.

The first thing everyone has to do is accept where they have been wrong in the past rather than point the finger at other parts of the club in order to excuse themselves.

Once everyone accepts responsibility for themselves and starts pulling in the same direction then anything is possible, as Klopp and Liverpool have shown.

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04 Dec 2021 10:20:09
Very true Gunner and that mentality is what’s holding us back. Look at the teams we are being bunch together with. I’m not being arrogant as They have deserved their league position as we do but rewind 10 15 years ago that would not be the case.

The board has lacked ambition since the move from Highbury and standards plateaued and then fell while everyone else kept moving forward hence we found ourselves finishing 4th rather than competing, then 5th then Top 8.

Revolution not evolution was required and certainly not more of the same.

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04 Dec 2021 11:05:57
I think we have all played our part SY mate, I think most of now agree that Arsene was allowed to carry on to long, but imagine if the club had sacked Arsene in 2015?
The majority of fans would have been outraged, demonstrated or possibly have turned their backs on Arsenal for ever such was people's love and admiration for Arsene back them.

I genuinely feel we all played a part in the clubs downfall to some degree mate and if someone could come along and get everyone club fans players to accept the past mistakes our own and each other's then I think we could all move forward together.

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04 Dec 2021 15:25:18
We need someone with the proven ability who will only work for Arsenal if the right conditions are there for success behind the scenes and who will expected the fans to prove themselves to him every bit as much the fans will want him to prove himself to them.

I'm not sure who this person is but if we can find them then not only might we compete again but the Emirates might actually become a place with an addictive atmosphere that we are all desperate to experience as often as possible.

That's the dream anyway 💙💗💟💟.

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03 Dec 2021 14:48:13
If he had played El Neny and Sambi instead of Party, he would have crucified, as it turned out El Neny was the better player on night. Might have been better to play all 3, and leave out Ode, who right now creates very little. Of course he is trying to create chances for an empty No. 14 shirt. And on and on.

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03 Dec 2021 10:27:49
It's the raver with oh what a night on the sounds system heading to central London to buy Mrs Raver Annie summers gear for Christmas, you lot had a spurs bottle job last night and could have gone into the top 4 with a win and have left the door open for us, tip for you boys this Christmas buy the wife presents that will benefit you I've already bought the wife a new oven and a sat nav so she can find me in all parts of Essex and Surrey on Sunday mornings, so that's a chef, a taxi driver and one hot woman all wrapped up on the 25th December.

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03 Dec 2021 15:26:38
Trouble is raver, I find myself half believing everything you say ;)

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03 Dec 2021 07:35:43
Project Arteta for me has run its course. Everytime we go into these sort of benchmark games I am thinking this is the game where we make our mark.
Last night's team selection like against Liverpool was WRONG.
Tavares is a good prospect but Tierney should have started.
Elneny don't get me started.
Partey I have said it once before I have yet to see how he was valued at 45m. Odegaard goes from hero to zero and imo still doesn't pull up any trees. Now we come to the bit that really gets my goat.
Auba, offers nothing as a striker, team player or a captain and Arteta needs to grow a pair and deal with this. I understand people's views that if we sack Arteta who is out there, but we had this mindset in the final Wenger years and it damaged us at a club despite the 3 Cup wins that only papered over the cracks.
This squad is in a developing state and we have some great young players and also players that need to be moved on and replaced and I accept that takes time. I said after the Liverpool game that if you look at West Hams and Brightons performance against them we should have performed better as our squad is just as good as theirs. Apart from Auba who would never pull a Arsenal shirt on again if I had my way there is in that squad a good team waiting to be put out on that pitch with a solid game plan and team selection. Neither Partey or Odegaard imo are worth what we paid for them but are still good players . I like probably a lot of Gooners after Artetas Fa Cup win was expecting great things and like the later Wenger years the Cup win as masked over the problems with the manager.
Me personally I think its there bubbling under the surface but I am afraid Arteta is not the manager to bring it to the boil.

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03 Dec 2021 08:00:15
Tierny and Elneny were bad decisions. Partey was absolutely woeful- how many times did he give the ball away?!
Drop Auba, and if Lacca is leaving stop using him. I'd be happier with Martenelli and Balogun leading the line.

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03 Dec 2021 15:59:52
Chelsea have Tuchell
City Pep
Liverpool Klopp
Spurs Conte who I think will take 4th place.

How can we attract one of these top quality managers who are both proven and very current?

Don't get me wrong I'd say tata to Mikel no matter what came May if we finish 8th or worse but at this stage of the season I don't see anyone available in the top bracket of managers.

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