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31 May 2020 22:51:35
Did we really pay 8m for Luiz and put him on 5m wages for a 12m deal? For a club little money we really are stupid with our money ( Pepe for one) . At least he's gone if that's the case.
03 Feb 2020 16:00:03
Hi Ed, it sounds like Arsenal turned down the chance to sell Mesut Ozil despite Mikel backing the move.?
Is that true?
Why didn't it happen and why did they bid at the last minute.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I don't know whether or not MA supported the move but Al Sadd's interest was very late in the day and that likely proved to be the issue. The proposed loan to another side was tentatively agrred before the window opened but also failed for onr reason or another. Arsenal really want him sold and not loaned. They will look to move him on in the summer.}
1.) 03 Feb 2020 20:39:18
Thanks Ed - frustrating an 11th hour offer comes in for a player we need to shift and we can’t close it out. If he’s not in the long term plans, don’t get why we didn’t cash in or why They waited so late to bid for MO10. Sounds like Lemar was an option for us. never mind at least we signed an injured left back and an unproven CD 😂😂
Quality window 😫.
2.) 04 Feb 2020 19:46:13
Or according to other outlets Artetta put a block to the move.
It's a shame we didn't break the bank in January and sign 3 or 4 household names at extortionate pilrices that could have helped us achieve 8th place this season:-) .
I suppose we will just have to settle for 10th place and use this season for Arteta to find out who he can and can't take forward into next season and beyond.
31 Jan 2020 19:20:35
Thomas Lemar Deal almost done?
1.) 01 Feb 2020 08:21:38
It was never even on the cards.
02 Jan 2020 20:03:11
Ed, just seems us linked with Nathan Ake. Are we interested and is he good enough?
Always looked decent but watched him enough to be honest.
{Ed002's Note - He would be very, very expensive for Arsenal. I am not aware of any approach.}
1.) 02 Jan 2020 20:47:08
Thank you Ed 002.
2.) 02 Jan 2020 22:09:49
I've always thought he had it in him to be a top top CB, no idea how much he would cost but didn't he cost Bournemouth £20 million in pre decimalisation days? You'd have thought Bournemouth would want a huge profit to part company.
I've said it before and I'll say it again Connor Coady would be a very useful addition.
{Ed047's Note - I edit most pages on here 62 and I’ve seen Coady referred to as Captain Calamity on the Wolves page. Just saying.
3.) 02 Jan 2020 22:32:13
Fair comment mate, you can only call anything as you see it and I think the lad is a decent defender who is extremely comfortable on the ball.
Obviously I don't watch him on a regal basis but every time I have seen him he looks very very good to me.
{Ed047's Note - I haven’t seen enough of him to really know to be honest 62 but it’s always a concern when you read stuff like that.
We probably put loads of people off signing Mustafi! 🤣
4.) 02 Jan 2020 23:33:18
Yeah very very good point Ed047! Let's just hope the ever brilliant jewel in our crown Xhaka signs a new 10 year contract and Nasty Jose doesn't upset every Arsenal fan across the world by making us a £75 million offer we can't refuse for him just because it would really really spoil our week :-)
28 Dec 2019 23:59:37
So hopefully Bellerin, Chambers, Holding and Ceballos back tomorrow - interesting to see who gets dropped and who keeps their spot. May be Chambers and Holding as the two CDs 🤞
Reading about Xhaha - seems that MA likes a deep playing left footed midfielder. So Torriera and Xhaka in CM roles with Ozil in the hole.
Big game tomorrow as the relegation battle heats up 😂.
1.) 29 Dec 2019 10:59:26
We are all talikg about a relegation battle half heartedly but if we are not careful it could actually happen and in the latter stages of a relegation battle it usually comes down to who's got the most fight determination and spirit, ooopps best we avid that battle at all costs:-)
2.) 30 Dec 2019 08:13:26
Unless we make a couple of signings, I fear for us. A CB and a DM are essential, plus a LB on loan.
3.) 30 Dec 2019 11:39:18
I hope any new signings have more of an impact than Pepe Cellabos and Tierney have made, personally I'd work on what we have and if our current squad aren't good enough to keep us up so be it.
Apart from staying up our premier league season is over and the summer will be the most sensible to reevaluate what we do and don't need. More panic buys to replace previous panic buys will only limit our future spending.
Take our time and get it right this time is best in my opinion.
4.) 30 Dec 2019 23:24:31
On paper and spend - it was a great window. A CD, striker, winger and left back yet it’s proved to be terrible -, 🤡, injuries, unsettled plus a great young striker as a consolation but our main striker ( Laca ) negates the consolation as he goes missing. 🤷♂️ You couldn’t make this rubbish up as the only position we didn’t sign but needed was a CDM. Yet we signed one in Torriera only to play him in Ozils role and drop Ozil 😂😂.
5.) 31 Dec 2019 03:00:02
A CB is crucial in January. Prices will be high but if I remember right VD was a January buy. Sometimes it can’t wait. As for CM, that should depend on xhaka. I believe in what arteta can do with this squad. Just not defensively. Chelsea had better stamina with a fit squad. That’s all.
6.) 31 Dec 2019 06:35:55
Sensible buys, not panic buys are needed, difficult in the January window. What we have is simply not good enough or too young and inexperienced.
7.) 31 Dec 2019 11:02:24
If the current squad really isn't good enough to finish top 17 then we really are in a mess.
Yes if a really good player became available who fitted 100% into how Artetta wants to do things and had a brilliant attitude why not?,
All I'm saying is we shouldn't need to buy more players to avoid relegation and if what we've already got really isn't capable of finishing top 17 so be it, Ipswich Peterborough Brentford here we come :-) .
8.) 01 Jan 2020 00:49:42
Gunner, I think you're doubting our squad too much. Emery coached Arsenal awfully and no fault of his as I'm sure he was trying he's hardest, got us playing in a bad way with no shape or idea for too long that there's some bad habits to cut out.
Arteta has been in charge a week and we had Chelsea in the first half with a very injured squad. Fitness and not a full squad is what killed us not to say they wouldn't have won all the same but the fact we was sluggish in the second half showed how far behind fitness wise we are to the other top teams.
As I said, A good CB is all we need right now to get us competing for CL standard. VD single handedly changed Liverpool to the team they are today and Laporte Cities best CB getting injured has killed City's season.
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23 May 2020 11:07:39
Watching The Last Dance with MJ - you suddenly realise the importance of a winning mentality in a team and what leadership in the team can do. Competitive training, competitive attitude and a team bond. You can have the best attack but you need defence and spine to get the best out of your stars.
rubbish I miss Keown, Bould, Winterburn, Paddy, Adams, Sol etc - what do we have today
Great show by the way
"Winning has a price. And leadership has a price. So I pulled people along when they didn't want to be pulled; I challenged people when they didn't want to be challenged. And I earned that right because my teammates who came after me didn't endure all the things that I endured.
"Once you joined the team, you lived at a certain standard that I played the game at, and I wasn't going to take anything less. Now if that meant I had to go in there and get in your ass a little bit, then I did that. You ask all my teammates: 'The one thing about Michael Jordan was he never asked me to do something that he didn't do. '
"When people see this, they're going to say, 'Well, he wasn't really a nice guy, he may have been a tyrant. ' Well, that's you: Because you never won anything. I wanted to win, but I wanted them to win and be a part of that as well. Look: I don't have to do this. I'm only doing it because it is who I am. That's how I played the game; that was my mentality. If you don't want to play that way, don't play that way. "
Let's get some of that spirit Mikel.
1.) 23 May 2020 12:39:34
Gael Clichy said shortly after joining City " at city you tackle properly in training so you can tackle and ride a tackle properly in games, it's so different to Arsenal where tackling isn't allowed in training "
It's impossible to switch on an aggressive competitive winning passionate mentality on a Saturday if everything you do Monday to Friday is passive.
When Arsene banned tackling in training in order to prevent injury it was the beginning of the end of Arsenal as a competitive force.
the ironic thing is once training became passive rather than aggressive our long term in jury record became horrendous as players ability to make and take proper challenge all but vanished.
It will take more than one season to completely change a " nice and easy does it " attitude that was so embedded into the whole club for so long.
Arteta just like anyone who took the job will need time and patience to completely undo the old and bring in a new mentality from top to bottom but what Artetta must do that Emery didn't do is show he is both aware of the problems and actively working towards changing them week by week month by month and year by year if he is to earn the time and patience he will obviously need from fans players and board.
2.) 23 May 2020 14:52:54
62 - watch the show on Netflix and see how a winner drives the entire team. He’s roasting and pushing his team mates in training and finding every ounce of motivation from around him. That plus raw talent.
Big game on TV this weekend / Anfield 89.
3.) 23 May 2020 15:32:42
What chanel is 89 game on SY?
4.) 23 May 2020 16:53:23
Itv 5pm COYG.
5.) 23 May 2020 17:28:58
Thanks Sussex mate, I'm recording it to watch later so please no one tell me the score before I've had chance to see it!
6.) 24 May 2020 12:27:11
Cesc said it, many have said it and now Cole
The transition in terms of being in a different group, environment and players was easy because at the time when I first started at Arsenal, we had a core – the Keowns, the Seamans, the Vieiras, the Henrys, the Adams’, ” Cole told BBC Sport.
“When they started to leave, I felt there were holes in the culture of what it was that brought success. I just felt it was falling apart a bit, or there were gaps missing and they weren’t filled.
Why were the manager and board blind to it
We lost our mentality, desire to win and determination.
We still haven’t learned our lessons!
7.) 24 May 2020 14:01:43
Personally I've always felt once the George influence and mentality completely dissolved Arsenes weaknesses became exposed, George was very good and Arsene was equally very good but when the two philosophies and styles were blended together it was as near perfect as you could get.
Arsene was the absolutely perfect man at the absolute perfect time for us and with his inside knowledge of the untapped French market and his visionary playing philosophy plus that all important rock solid foundations he inherited from George the ingredients were perfect for the Arsene to serve us up the most incredible unbelievable unforgettable dishes we have ever known or are likely to know again.
Unfortunately Arsene was allowed to go on too long because neither board or fans were prepared to accept he'd lost his way and and he was unable to adapt with the changing times.
Arsene was allowed to continue 5 to 8 years longer than was good for Arsenal and the longer it went on the deeper the problems took root, 5 to 8 years of consistent steady decline won't and can't be undone in 5 to 8 months SY mate. We are going to have to be patient understanding and accepting of that.
Between Busby and Fergie how long did United have to wait for their time to come again?
Between Dalglish (mark 1) and Klopp Liverpool fans had to wait what 27 years?
There is no magic wand just a lot of trial end error and suck it and see until something somewhere clicks again and we are competitive once more.
On the bright side how lucky were we to have known those unbelievable times at all mate?
23 May 2020 09:55:19
Let's buy him a ticket - at long last something I can agree with. May be I want it sooner than most
Arsenal defender David Luiz reveals 'dream' to end career at Benfica
👋 👋 👋 🤞.
09 May 2020 17:29:52
Back in the day when Goalies didn't wear gloves and you could tackle.,
Great first half - 2 nil up
COYG.
1.) 09 May 2020 18:46:17
But it helped having big Willie Young in front of you 🏴.
13 Apr 2020 23:42:01
Was anyone else scratching their head on Gilberto say - : 'Arsenal's Mohamed Elneny could have emulated Patrick Vieira'
What am I missing.
1.) 14 Apr 2020 19:22:38
9 a bottle of vodka.
08 Apr 2020 21:43:23
Controversial - why should EPL players be forced to takes 30% pay cut. Why are they being criticised and why would everyone want the money just to go back into the club for the owners.
Who are we trying to help here; employees on £35000 per annum will have minimal drop in earnings by beingFurloughed in the short term as long as job in medium term at the club. Sure football will recover unlike some of the SMEs and the high street.
Its a huge hit for workers who earn in excess of 50k which isn't a huge wage down south but furlough will wallop them - are you trying to protect them or the 20k a year worker§? Furloughs are designed to preserve future jobs and stop companies making redundancies which would be crippling for all workers as no jobs. clubs are part of the community and need to figure out how to preserve their long term future, small adjacent business that feed off the club as well as workers. Clearly players have a shelf life and need to maximise earnings for them and their kids etc - why should every single one of them give up 30%. They have short fixed term contracts - what does interest me is, can the club actually do anything to player wages with contractual terms? if a player is going to renegotiate a new contract in a few years -will reducing their wages harm negotiations, are the clubs protecting their most precious assets like a number of businesses. would love to understand more but not sure they deserve criticism in this.
I do believe they have the means to do more for their local communities but does Granit really feel like London is "his" local community given how we treated him and it's not "home. " May be some are doing things but on the quiet.
I think they need to do more but may be they already do a lot. Not sure a 30% blanket pay cut is in the spirit of the world we live and compete in.
Sorry but people jump on epl players so quickly to resolve issues that aren't their fight.
Them taking a 30% pay cut and deprive the tax man of taxes. That far exceeds the amount needed to pay lower level employees at the club but no real benefit to nhs.
May be EPL should set up a voluntary charity that players can donate to and the money can be used for sharing with worthy causes so avoids going to club owners. I'm clearly missing something here so go easy on me.
I know plenty people who have suffered huge life changing drops in income as well as people no longer in employment due to virus plus people Impacted by the virus. I'm not being mean to them or anything like that
From a business perspective - clubs have less revenue so must reduce costs. From a numbers perspective - why aren't clubs reducing pay of their highest earners and furloughing staff that aren't required at present as no revenue. What's stopping them Ed? Is it a players union issue?
{Ed002's Note - There is no intent for it to go in to the owners pockets. It is up to the clubs to work out what they can with the players. The PFA is a major distraction. Actually the PFA are taking cups - except the head - Gordon Taylor. It is not for the EPL to set up a charity.}
1.) 09 Apr 2020 10:17:16
Maybe I am missing your point SY. My issue isn`t with the players but with the clubs owners. Yes they have a responsibility to their employees and if my maths are right Tottenham for example have 550 staff who if furloughed would receive £2500 as a maximum. That is approx £1.4m a Month . Let`s say my maths is wrong and it`s £2m a month a club that earned £72m last year should be able to find £6m over next 3 months. It is the fact i think that football is digging into the Government pot needed elsewhere whilst still paying the huge wages we all know about. It was so refreshing to read the Liverpool page and their frankly anger and being ashamed of their club which ultimately led them to make the right decision. Levy and Ashley are cut I think from a different dirty cloth. I think the players have individual choices to make ie Ozil giving money to Turkey and Xhaka Albania Serbia or Switzerland etc and that is for their conscience. They do have a short career SY but don`t feel too sorry for them! In conclusion it is the brass neck of these owners taking from the Government fund while paying hundreds of thousands a week that sticks in the craw of decent people. Hoping we continue to show our class after end of April COYG.
2.) 09 Apr 2020 19:05:18
Ok - let’s say a 25 man squad is on 100k per week or 430k per month. They take 30% pay cut = 130k * 25 players = 3.25m. Payroll taxes 45% plus Employer taxes of 18.8%. So Government gives up 58.8% plus tiny amount off NI EE’s ~ 1.91m in lost taxes due to a 30% wage cut. So what was achieved except more mo ey going to club owners.
Also, if there is no football - revenue is not there to pay wages and last time I looked not too many clubs are super cash or profit rich.
I’m just saying I don’t disagree with the sentiment but a wage cut isn’t an answer plus are companies risking loosing their biggest and brightest execs or keeping them sweet to help when the company / economy returns.
{Ed002's Note - The money is not for the club owner
3.) 09 Apr 2020 20:34:03
Ok - but nothing is stopping that being drawn as salary or dividends bu the owner dependent on role in club and it certainly isn’t getting more money to the government / nhs as some are stating.
{Ed002's Note - It is not going in to the pockets of the owners.}
4.) 09 Apr 2020 20:59:55
What isn’t Ed. I know furlough payments aren’t. They go direct to the 0layers however, are you saying owners can’t draw a dividend from the club. No owners draw a salary of the are the CEO or MD. no money can’t be used for director loans. 🤷♂️
Looks like common sense has prevailed and the most beneficial way for club and nhs (think that was my point Ed and I’m sure epl or pfa has a say / sway on a 30% wage cut or better alternatives ) -
“Premier League players have launched a "collective initiative" to help generate funds for the National Health Service and distribute them "where they are needed most". ”.
{Ed002's Note - None of the money taken from others will be going to line the pockets of the owners.}
19 Mar 2020 08:18:11
A bit light weight to be Vieira or Petit while likes too many
touches to be a creator of chances. Reminds me of a number of Arsenal midfielders where we would end up playing 3 in the middle and none specialist at anything
Huge gamble at 36m that makes no sense to me.
09 Feb 2020 12:01:42
That could be a midfield 3 of
Granit - Torriera with Rambo Judy in front of them instead of Ozil
That’s a pretty good midfield - put Matteo on loan or on the bench as he’s not good enough or consistent enough yet.
09 Feb 2020 11:59:48
Rambo as the B2B midfielder - played right he could be our solution and his work rate is spot on, Mikel will stop the flicks plus he has epl experience. Brucie Bonus - he can score unlike the rest of our midfield.
03 Feb 2020 20:39:18
Thanks Ed - frustrating an 11th hour offer comes in for a player we need to shift and we can’t close it out. If he’s not in the long term plans, don’t get why we didn’t cash in or why They waited so late to bid for MO10. Sounds like Lemar was an option for us. never mind at least we signed an injured left back and an unproven CD 😂😂
Quality window 😫.
01 Feb 2020 14:26:34
Emile Smith Rowe (Huddersfield Town, loan)
James Olayinka (Northampton Town, loan)
Ben Sheaf (Doncaster Rovers, loan)
Tyreece John-Jules (Lincoln City, loan)
Konstantinos Mavropanos (Nurnberg, loan)
Deyan Iliev (Jagiellonia Bialystok, loan)
31 May 2020 22:52:33
It’s criminal to have Torreira, Matteo and Granite as the spine of our midfield protecting a back 4 with a less that great pair of centrebacks - we can’t start with Mustafi, Luiz or Papa as centre backs plus we need to change that midfield 3.
29 May 2020 20:43:35
Me to -.
28 May 2020 21:02:53
Sorry Malaga - I will remember to value longevity and loyalty over quality and stick to the topic. I got excited and drifted off piste.
28 May 2020 21:00:42
Top 10 worst buy in last 5 years - yep.
Top 10 in our Normal starting line up which includes Luiz, Mustafi, Granit, Torreira, Matteo etc - not a difficult top 10 to breach.
He’s in my top 10 to sell
I’m not a fan and wish we’d never bought him to be honest. More to do with his ineffectiveness, not necessary and lacks penetration. Sorry.
27 May 2020 22:20:46
For me Keown is the best man marker and with the quality of the top strikers out there. I can’t leave him out plus he brings leadership, winning mentality and fear factor - no hiding place with him.
So that left me Sol or Adams. For me Sol won it on pace especially given today’s game. Great on the ball, big presence and great in air - he was a leader also.
Hence Tony didn’t make it - tough call. I know.