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10 Nov 2019 09:02:59
I'm not sure if Emery can't or won't change his ways but either way it's plainly obvious his ways his methods his tactics just aren't working at premier league level.
What would be the point in continuing with Emery few more games or weeks! What is going to suddenly start working that hasn't worked upto this point in time?
9 points over 26 games isn't impossible to make up but neither will it be a formality for a new manager either.
There are absolutely no guarantees that if we change managers things will suddenly come good but there is a genuine possibility they might under a different manager that simply doesn't exist under Emery.
We have a squad that has the quality in abundance we just need someone who can organise and motivate them into a cohesive team that functions to its full potential.
There is no logical reason to carry on with Emery, I've read people saying the club don't want to pay his compensation money and would rather let him see out his contact to save what a £3 millions pay off?
But that's just people being negative towards the board because I'm sure Josh and Co are more than capable of working out the financial loss of champions league football money v £3 million in compensation without the need to consult the world's greatest mathematic brains first.
1.) 10 Nov 2019 13:24:20
As usual, nothing to disagree with from G62. I have little faith in the board to act decisively. They have a history of dithering and fiddling while the team burns on the pitch. As you said elsewhere, the only language they understand is empty terracing. I would rather listen to us lose on the radio, than freeze my arse off sitting at the Emirates.
I would love to be wrong, but those hoping for a sacking on Monday. I wouldn't hold my breath.
2.) 10 Nov 2019 15:08:24
Hi Urban mate I think you've got it bang on, vote with you bum if your not happy and spend your time doing something that does make you happy until the club team and manager give you reason to feel they are your best way of spending your time and money again.
3.) 10 Nov 2019 19:24:06
I just don’t know how emery is making Managing Arsenal look like a difficult job? This season I honestly couldn’t tell you what system we’re playing. Yes Wenger was dated, but you knew what you was getting. A team trying to play possession football until an opening presented itself. Against Leicester, we couldn’t even string 5 passes together. No one knew where each other are, we got strikers playing like wingers, playing so deep against a team that plays with 1 striker. Emery isn’t connected to his players and he’s not connected to the fans. Sack this tactical fraud, leave Freddie in charge til we can get a manager with a clear vision.
4.) 10 Nov 2019 19:43:08
It's true ice mate we have no identity no structure no Arsenal way of playing that the players can get they're heads around and become comfortable with and most importantly good at.
Every game a different starting 11 a different game plan a different formation what chance do our players have? And of course they are only human so are naturally becoming deflated and losing interest and motivation to simply indulge yet more nonsense.
5.) 11 Nov 2019 09:58:15
Icy, you are so right. It was embarrassing watching us play what amounted to a back five against a side with a lone striker. And Gunner, spot on about identity, we don't have one at all. We even had one under Graham, albeit based on grinding opponents down and a very flat back four with their hands up every five minutes. I watched Liverpool yesterday afternoon, and even with some (one) lucky breaks, they looked every bit the finished article where we look pedestrian. The worst of it is, our front three/ four are the measure of anything Liverpool have got. But the rest is disorganised, poorly deployed, and yes, lacking any kind of identity.
The papers (I know) are this morning reporting the boards confidence in Emery. If true, I'm not surprised. Of course, we don't want a trigger happy board, but one season, and a third of this one, is enough to know. It could be a long frustrating season.
6.) 11 Nov 2019 10:25:20
In a game that’s about numbers and statistics, I’d be curious to know which one Emery is impressing in, that’s keeping him in that seat.
Ed any inside news on what’s happening? I just can’t accept the board are content with him because under him, Speaking statistically, we won’t challenge top 4 and we don’t want to bank winning Europe when we can’t hold a clean sheet.
{Ed002's Note - It was a mistake brining him in and as I said he was far from first choice. The club has gambled financially on getting in to the top four come the end of the season, and that remains the primary target. It is difficult to see anything happening before the summer when I suspect there might well be a change.}
7.) 11 Nov 2019 10:54:47
The papers are all quoting Ormstein Urban mate so it's a highly credible that is the boards position.
I'm pinning my hopes on the board using Ormstein as a deflection tactic and going to surprise us all as they did when they let the papers run with the "we only had 40 million to spend" story all last summer then bosh! broke our transfer record :-) I know it's not a theory you'd want to put your house on being correct is it :-) ?
Like you said yesterday mate vote with your bum and if your not happy with what's being offered simply don't accept it and find a more enjoyable way of spending your time and money, 20,000 empty seats is an extremely difficult fans message to ignore for long.
8.) 12 Nov 2019 06:49:18
I'm with you 62 fingers crossed 🤞.
08 Aug 2019 08:37:02
Ormstein
Arsenal and Chelsea have agreed an 8 million fee for David Luiz and Tierney will complete his 25 million move today also.
Where's Wesley? Could be a very busy day for you Wes mate.
03 Jul 2019 19:57:15
126 million for a 19 year old who has made 26 first team appearances?
I think we forget about the Lacasette to Athloco rumours now:-)
1.) 04 Jul 2019 09:27:33
Who’s that mate.
2.) 04 Jul 2019 09:29:36
Sell him for 250 mil.
3.) 04 Jul 2019 19:39:16
Felix Welsh mate.
09 May 2019 21:17:34
I know this week has taught us it ain't over until it's over but Valencia now need 4 in the last 30 minutes plus stoppage time, even we can't throw this away, can we :-)
15 Sep 2018 23:50:16
Having seen the highlights I have to say it's the best game I've seen Xhaka have, had a huge say in both goals and no costly mistakes, very decent free kick but not a worldie as I thought the keeper should have done better in reality.
To me he still looks very awkward when he runs at more than a jog (which isn't often ) and his tackling is as crude as ever on the rare occasion it happens but still his best game in 2 years 5 games,
IS it enough to justify his inclusion? It's obviously a huge improvement on anything before but needs to happen more often than once every two seasons and 4 games for Arsenal to be top 4 contenders again.
1.) 16 Sep 2018 02:07:00
Xhaka looks far better alongside Torreira, as he provides the platform for Xhaka to play as a deep, false number 10, where he provides a vital link between defence and attack with his quality passing. Alongside Guendouzi he tends to end up playing deeper as a DM, which doesn't suit his style of play. Guendouzi is a fine young player, but he reminds me so much of Elneny both physically and in the 'headless chicken' style of play.
2.) 16 Sep 2018 09:34:58
Vital? Really!
Vital means someone you can't do without and while it's obviously not all down to him alone but we haven't made top 4 since Xhaka arrived after 20 years of consecutive qualification before he arrived.
Sanchez was vital to us being our best during his time as was Kos until recently but calling Xhaka vital is an extreme exaggeration to say the least.
If he continues to play like yesterday he will become an asset but he's long way to go to become an asset let alone vital.
3.) 16 Sep 2018 13:53:17
Vital! Really, once in a blue moon isn't vital. We played Newcastle, didn't still look solid defensively in midfield and it wasnt even a top half prem team. Vital my hairy arm. The sooner he is ejected with a couple more, the sooner we might actually improve.
4.) 16 Sep 2018 15:37:15
This range of passing makes me laugh. He has one nice pass that’s the one over the top to the left winger, everyone has their opinion but for me he isn’t up to scratc for challenging for silverware.
5.) 16 Sep 2018 15:40:22
It's so obvious that the 'vital' refers to that role in this system! Discuss if you think this system is correct, the midfield balance needs adjusting, no problem. If we need a player to move the ball though periods of possession, then he is clearly the best option in the squad, and thus gets picked. Not the best player in the team or whatever, as its boringly obvious you two hate him. Otherwise we fill our team up with box to box players who do a bit of everything, I'm not clever enough to know if that's better, but I'll trust Emery on this. Maybe Xhaka flourishes as the season grows, maybe we use the transfer market to improve on him, maybe we change the system. Keep discussing football RG, I enjoy it, even if I rarely contribute!
{Ed025's Note - you should a bit more ned..
6.) 16 Sep 2018 16:31:51
I don't hate Xhaka Ned in fact I don't hate anyone at all, not rating someone or seeing them as an asset to the team is a long long way from hating them mate.
7.) 16 Sep 2018 17:00:41
Wow! Calm down ned. I for sure don’t hate him and I can speak for myself in saying that I wasn’t one of the ones who jumped on the xhaka kaka train from game 2. I simply don’t think he’s of the Caliber to have us challenging mate.
8.) 16 Sep 2018 18:01:34
I don't hate xhaka, i don't like him as a arsenal footballer (not anywhere near good enough) i want the best for arsenal. IF i think a player is letting us down and i 100% are not on my own hear, ask wright, merson, shearer, rednap, souness, nicolas, etc, then i have my opinion why. Since the guy has joined us, he has not cemented his place and made it his own on performance. I think 2 plus years of putting up with nothing performances is long enough. It is nothing personal, its something arsenal. I repeat, i know no top six team supporter who rates him at all, in fact they think he is one of the worsed midfielders in the prem and laugh about him.
9.) 16 Sep 2018 18:17:27
He’s certainly not one of the worse midfielders and I know you did t say that steve. But he is most certainly not trophy class imo.
10.) 16 Sep 2018 18:43:06
Agree sanos alter ego, Lol. Most of my mates who support other teams just don't rate him at all, they really think he's shat. I just don't think he's that good really, i want better than him in our team for us to progress. I am baffled why he seems somewhat bullet proof for us. I honestly think he is a fraud midfielder.
11.) 16 Sep 2018 18:46:54
And Sano, he is one player i cannot put up an argument for when they are lambasting him. I get picked on when i do, Lol.
12.) 17 Sep 2018 16:44:21
Why would I assume, or care, if you hate him as a person? You state in abundance you hate him in the team, I don't understand all the defencivness and confusion. I basically replied that you'd totally mis-represented the use of vital in RG's post, and I think you don't comment sensibly on why Xhaka continues to get in the team. I never stated that Xhaka is our star player, I don't think it's in dispute he's been underwhelming. I definitely think he can be better, but may also need replacing. Also that if we change the balance of the midfield with the players we have available, then we'll need to adapt in other areas of the pitch to be creative or control possession. I suspect our wide forwards are not suited to the task.
13.) 17 Sep 2018 18:40:32
Ned, i think i understand what vital means. Xhaka isn't vital.
14.) 18 Sep 2018 06:21:05
Xhaka, one of Emery's 5 captains and selected for all 5 PL matches to date.
I believe Xhaka was one of many players in the latter Wenger era that went backwards as a player after arriving at the club. He was played as a DM, not his position and looked poorer for it. Emery is a successful, intelligent and adaptable manager who will get the best out of Xhaka. In all the matches where Torreira and Xhaka played togther, the partnership has looked promising and I can see this pairing forming part of the spine of the team. They compliment each other, with the excellent Torreira providing shape to the team and giving Xhaka more freedom to move forward, between the defence and the attack.
15.) 18 Sep 2018 13:07:50
Well said gunner ned.
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14 Dec 2019 17:30:58
A chance to make up a point or 3 on Chelsea tomorrow or to slip back into negative goal difference of course.
1.) 15 Dec 2019 12:39:57
Let's hope Freddie has seen something in the last few games to eke out a solid performance. I need some good news this week G62. :)
12 Dec 2019 22:41:18
As a Labour voting Arsenal fan I feel I've Just relived the Brighton game all over again exactly 1 week after first time it happend.
Phew tough week or what :- (.
1.) 13 Dec 2019 06:53:39
Great night, the Gooners through in top place, Conservatives thrash Labour and Brexit ensured.
2.) 13 Dec 2019 07:48:13
Leadership issues in both camps 😂😂
Labour never addressed their fan base or the glaringly obvious issues - they paid. Our board and Emery.
3.) 13 Dec 2019 09:30:15
You ain't wrong SY mate.
Labour lost it when they chose the wrong Milliband back in 2010 and Arsenal lost it when they didn't take advantage of Klopps being available back in 2015.
Hey ho it is what it is and onwards and upwards is the only way and at least now I can let my phone out of my sight for 5 seconds and I don't have to keep checking the fridge to make sure there is no one hiding in it :-)
4.) 13 Dec 2019 20:14:10
Very true statement about the wrong Milliband. Labour should have stuck to the middle ground
Was there another Emery we should have picked?
5.) 14 Dec 2019 09:07:42
I'm hoping there isn't another Emery mate because knowing us we'd find him :-)
6.) 14 Dec 2019 15:30:01
911, why bring politics here?
Ask your younger loved ones in years to come how great it is that the Tories get in and see if you're still happy to say you supported them. It's a dark day in British history.
{Ed047's Note - endeavouring to be smug again I guess Jim.
7.) 14 Dec 2019 16:10:52
Actually to be fair it was G62 who started the politics JG. 911 does make the perfect Tory though. can’t say the word but it rhymes with runt 😂.
{Ed047's Note - 😂👍🏼
8.) 14 Dec 2019 23:22:22
Epping is 100% spot on it was me.
For all of us who aren't happy at how things turned out and are genuinely worried about the future Richard Osmound gave some reassuring words last night " if the best outcome couldn't happen then the second best outcome has happend.
If Boris had got in with a small majority then the extreme right of the Tory party would have called the tune but because of the huge majority at least it means Jacob Reese mogg and chums won't be won't be running the county by making Boris dance to their tune, and we will leave the EU on the best possible terms and the future of the NHS doesn't look as bleak as it first appeared "
9.) 15 Dec 2019 09:21:43
Correct 62 and we won’t have a fiscally irresponsible Labour Party in who can’t balance theirs books. Torria are pro business and pro working which is good. They need a bit of balance to ensure there’s balance in their policies
I wish we had a leader like Boris in - we need a better defence. I’ll get it done no matter what!
{Ed001's Note - no, nothing will get done and they will tell us it is just a warning as to what we can expect under Labour when things go wrong, while your glorious leader is busy effing around embarrassing us all in international politics.}
10.) 15 Dec 2019 09:28:47
G62, my opinion as an outsider to the UK (albeit one with Scottish heritage) is that Brexit was so dominant an issue that the public just wanted it done with. It needs to be over with for anyone to move on. I have some mates in the public sector (NHS, some ministries, etc) and they say that everyone's been pulled from their roles on to this nightmare so the country almost feels in stasis. Things need to get worse before they get better. Good chance they'll get a lot worse now, but hey ho.
11.) 15 Dec 2019 11:11:40
Brexit had to be done wire mate your right and the reason labour lost places like Sedgefield is because people wanted what they voted for Back in 2016 to happen.
Jeremy Corbynne played a very silly hand on Brexit trying not to upset any of his previously safe seats by sitting on the fence and then when absolutely forced to make a decision tried to straddle the fence both sides.
I voted remain but respect the fact that the county voted leave so democracy has to be respected, the problem was that during the referendum both sides lied so much that people weren't able to make a genuinely informed decision so had to make a purely instinctive emotional decision instead, Hull which had done so well out of the EU voted leave? What will Westminster do for Hull? Madness in my opinion but there we go.
The only good thing that will come from any of this is labour will now be forced to move back to the centre as they were in the 80s and 90s.
In my opinion when Blair was just left of centre and Major was just right of centre is where Britain is are it's best and a Far left and extreme right government always come with built in disaster for many, if one part of society has it way way to good another part has to suffer to ballance the books.
06 Dec 2019 08:13:28
Half of us thought anyone could organise our defence better than Arsene but obviously Emery couldn't
Almost all of us thought anyone could do better with our squad than Emery but obviously Fredie can't
We need to be extremely careful about who comes in next because If we panic we could find ourselves looking for our 4th manager of the season come March.
Yes we'd all like to see everything sorted out yesterday but if we get our next choice wrong it doesn't bare thinkingabout.
1.) 06 Dec 2019 09:27:18
Absolutely right. But do we trust the board to get it right? I'm not sure I do.
2.) 06 Dec 2019 09:48:13
They have little choice but to do everything in their power Urban mate because championship revenue ain't a patch on premier league revenue and if the Emirates is only 2/ 3rds full now imagine what a home a game against Peterborough on Tuesday night in November might do to attendances next season.
3.) 06 Dec 2019 14:28:07
Gunner, you have it right. And re: above, If the elite managers are going to be hard to tempt, how about Howe (no pun intended) . At the very least he won't take any nonsense and give us a bit of organisation. My only worry would be if he is big enough to manage big players. Desperate times may need desperate measures. Who knows, he may turn out to something he has hinted at but not had the players for.
05 Dec 2019 23:01:34
I applaud Mesut Ozil public display of passion and anger, no polite clapping of fans it was absolutely awful and Ozil showed he cared and felt the same way as the rest of us Ozil and Mertesacker feel out at man city in 2013 because Ozil wouldn't simply accept awful performance and clap politely, we should have backed him 100% then.
1.) 05 Dec 2019 23:36:25
Not angry enough. I would have punched Luiz and shouted at Leno for messing around at the back. Then I would have grabbed the two CDMs and told them where to play and how to protect the back 4. Get angry - yes but transmit that to a better performance in the game. Make more runs etc - don’t wait till the end to show your anger or determination 👊.
05 Dec 2019 20:49:01
3rd of the way through and zzzzzzzz I've painted a wall so I can alternate between watching it dry abd this game, I'm learning more about the wall minute by minute :-)
1.) 05 Dec 2019 21:05:15
Some people in the crowd are reading while the games in progress, horrible awful stuff, pretty much nothing different to under Emery no better no worse so far.
{Ed047's Note - for me a huge mistake allowing Emery to continue after the end of last season.
He’s taken us so far backwards we are in genuine trouble.
2.) 05 Dec 2019 21:18:59
Agreed Ed mate, it was obvious last April we'd got it wrong in choice of new manager, we are in trouble as we stand and a draw wouldn't be even close to good enough.
{Ed047's Note - just the owners being too tight to pay him off. Ridiculous
3.) 05 Dec 2019 21:59:15
I would have sacked him after his first pre season - shambolic from the start.
{Ed047's Note - he suckered people in with that unbeaten run when it was clear we were winging every game by the skin of our teeth.
4.) 05 Dec 2019 22:17:49
I know and I got hammered for speaking the truth and “wanting” Wenger back 😂😂
Nope - just saw zero improvement and a hopeless manager. I referred to him as the Emperor with no clothes 😂😂.
{Ed047's Note - well we’re definitely worse without him! 😂
5.) 05 Dec 2019 22:20:15
What board sanctions 73m on a winger and 8m on a much needed defender 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Stick or twist in Jan window - we need a clear out but we won’t.
6.) 05 Dec 2019 22:25:42
To be fair to Emery he did say when that run ended that we could easily have lost any game during it.
I was one of those fans who didn't want to see the problems during that run even though they were plainly obvious for all to see, we wanted it to be ok so I and others played let's all pretend.
14 Dec 2019 09:35:10
Hi cold mate your right the number that's being reported is crazy but has the club actually come out with that statement or is it much like our only having 30 million to spend in the summer rumour just a media statement the club hasn't actually ever made.
Before Emery was appointed the club was claimed to have given the job to Artetta which obviously wasn't true then last summer we only had 30 million which again wasn't true and now the club want to interview 10 not 9 or 11 but exactly 10 candidates? I'm not so sure myself mate.
It seems to me we've not done much different to United with Moyse LVG and Jose or Liverpool with Hodgson and Rogers or Spurs with every manager between 1961 and Poch but for some reason at Arsenal there has to be this huge controversy rather than just we didn't get our first attempt at replacing Arsene spot on and now we are not panicking but trying to do betrer next time.
I have no intention reason or need to defend the board at all but I'm just trying to look at things rationally rather than simply accept every negative conspiracy theory about the board as fact when so many past negative theories have proved to be false.
If we end up with big Sam or Fredie permanently then I'm happy to jump on the band wagon but if we should end up with Ancelotti or Allegri then I know I will be pleased I followed my logical mind again just as I did with the Artetta before Emery and 30 million spending limit stories before.
Surely it will be the end result that once again separates the fact from the fiction mate.
13 Dec 2019 16:54:27
Other than Josh and Stan everyone is an employee mate and I'm pretty sure Stan hasn't made his billions by standing back and letting people run his interests into the ground.
Yes Stand let Arsene carry on far too long and . while Emery in many people's eyes should have gone last summer 18 months wasn't exactly fiddling while roman burned.
The one thing Stan and Josh seem to fully understand is empty seats and ultimately what that means for the club and their investment in the club, if they are missing the champions league dollars Just imagine how nostalgic they will be for the premier league pounds once they've gone.
Personally I'd rather they interview 100 candidates than knee jerk with the first available easy option mate.
Things definitely need sorting out from top to bottom but doing that in one fail swoop is impossible especially half way through a season and unfortunately there is no quick painless fix we'd all like there to be.
13 Dec 2019 10:03:22
Every journey no matter how long begins with the first step Edinburgh Ed047 mate and by far the most important thing is to turn around and make sure your facing in the right direction before you take that step.
Accept where we've got it so wrong in the past on and off the pitch and start the business of getting back on track.
{Ed047's Note - I just don’t know if they can do that, does it mean one or other of them has to relinquish some power to enable the right things to happen.
Do they see that? Are the willing to do that?
We really don’t seem to have any plan or idea of what to do. Are they interviewing 10 possible candidates to see who fits best in their set up rather than someone best suited to achieve things.
12 Dec 2019 17:26:32
Not being funny DG why do you think the club will go for Artetta mate?
What would be the thinking behind thrm appointmenting a totally untried option after getting it so wrong with Emery. I'd have thought they'd be taking thier time in order to get the safest pair of hands they can possibly get this time.
11 Dec 2019 19:15:08
Hi JG93 mate, yeah city is a really tough game but it equally a fantastic opportunity for the team to make people think differently about them.
Fredie might go young but equally the Europa league is currently our best long shot of the two long shots we have at a champions league place so I don't think he dare risk too much resting players.
I personally would love us to give playing the same 11 for at least 3 games rather than chop change chop change tinker tweek panic react.
We all have our own opinion on our best 11 and 18 and I'd just love to see an 11 and 18 whether I 100% agree with or hardly agree with at all play 3 games and give cohesion a go which would be a very nice change.
15 Dec 2019 11:11:40
Brexit had to be done wire mate your right and the reason labour lost places like Sedgefield is because people wanted what they voted for Back in 2016 to happen.
Jeremy Corbynne played a very silly hand on Brexit trying not to upset any of his previously safe seats by sitting on the fence and then when absolutely forced to make a decision tried to straddle the fence both sides.
I voted remain but respect the fact that the county voted leave so democracy has to be respected, the problem was that during the referendum both sides lied so much that people weren't able to make a genuinely informed decision so had to make a purely instinctive emotional decision instead, Hull which had done so well out of the EU voted leave? What will Westminster do for Hull? Madness in my opinion but there we go.
The only good thing that will come from any of this is labour will now be forced to move back to the centre as they were in the 80s and 90s.
In my opinion when Blair was just left of centre and Major was just right of centre is where Britain is are it's best and a Far left and extreme right government always come with built in disaster for many, if one part of society has it way way to good another part has to suffer to ballance the books.
15 Dec 2019 10:25:08
Obviously we wouldn't replace an interim with another untrim Banbury but we might if we give into panic appoint a new permanent manager we didn't really want in the first place as we apparently did with Emery who was a long way off first choice simply because we feel the need to do something rather than nothing.
Artetta Vieira or appointing Fredie on a full time basis would be exactly that, a panic decision and do something rather than nothing against your better judgement to appease short term.
Lose today and people will be screaming why haven't we got a real manager! But the reality is win lose or draw today the new manager timescale shouldn't change a fraction, getting the right man for the job will take as long as it takes.
15 Dec 2019 09:25:48
If Poch or Allegri were coming they'd be here by now as both are and have been available ever since Emery left.
Ancelotti has only been available a few days and by all accounts he wasn't expecting the sack so will obviously need time to think about what he wants to do next.
If Ancelotti isn't interested then let Fredie carry on until a proven candidate is interested, the only thing worse than doing nothing is doing something stupid because other people keep telling you must do something.
Let Fredie hold the fort until a genuine cadidate emerges, and a genuine and obvious candidate will come if we simply don't panic.
14 Dec 2019 23:22:22
Epping is 100% spot on it was me.
For all of us who aren't happy at how things turned out and are genuinely worried about the future Richard Osmound gave some reassuring words last night " if the best outcome couldn't happen then the second best outcome has happend.
If Boris had got in with a small majority then the extreme right of the Tory party would have called the tune but because of the huge majority at least it means Jacob Reese mogg and chums won't be won't be running the county by making Boris dance to their tune, and we will leave the EU on the best possible terms and the future of the NHS doesn't look as bleak as it first appeared "
14 Dec 2019 13:50:54
I didn't realise Ancelotti was such a flirt, just how many bookmakers is he seeing? :-)