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25 May 2022 23:55:03
Are there any plans for Lokonga to go on loan? He has good vision and you can see the talent, but he's a little sloppy on the ball and needs to get stronger to suit the bigger leagues. Really needs regular gametime and I don't think he'll get it when Partey, Xhaka, and whoever our new CM is are fit.


{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

1.) 26 May 2022 07:33:24
Im sure he will get plenty of game time in the europa league Wire mate.

2.) 26 May 2022 10:40:59
He will certainly get game time in the EL and the cup runs. I hope he gets a fair bit of game time because he is a talented young player and needs to be managed correctly. He drives the ball and always tries to beat the press which is so encouraging!

3.) 26 May 2022 13:01:04
Agree Glenn his main strength, in my opinion, is making himself an option to transition to beat the press.
Tho it’s been evident he actually gets caught in possession and has done numerous times this season and we’ve been punished.
I think missing out on CL, and Ed 002 has alluded to this, really puts us at a crossroads now in relation to recruitment. Clearly we can’t attract the calibre of player we need after missing out on the CL and even if we could we are susceptible to drawing interest of clubs who can offer CL or more appealing projects.
With that in mind, we need to look seriously at our options. Is Maitland Nile’s better than Lokonga in Lokongs role? Does he make any more mistakes than Lokonga has demonstrated and should age be considered when defending Lokonga?
I don’t see why it should be.
In my opinion Maitland Niles played better with the little time he was afforded than Lokonga did at any point and age is irrelevant as we are not in a position right now to be affording this type of ‘learning through error’ for any player.
The same applies for Reiss Nelson. He has showed more in less time than has been granted to Pepe, but he gets loaned out because the club and manager are desperately hoping Pepe can show enough in fleeting appearances to recoup some of that extraordinary €80M fee.
Lokonga, Pepe, Lacazette, Cedric, and Holding have shown they are not up to the standard of what we need next season.
Three of those group can be readily upgraded by players we already own in my opinion in Saliba, Nelson and AMN. Nketiah, if he sorted out his ego, could be a ready upgrade on Lacazette .
Then we could focus on three quality upgrades as in an No. 8, Gundogan or Wijlnidum types, one quality CF and an adaptable quality full back.
That would be progress in my opinion and the reintegration of those two loanees and resigning of Eddie as homegrown players give us stability long term but also scope in the short term to go after more lucrative signings.
Otherwise your looking at signing 7/ 8 players and lowering your targets to spread the budget, this will not yield success in relation to closing the gap on our League rivals, which is the aim of Artetas project.

4.) 26 May 2022 21:33:11
The thing with this whole, we missed out on the champions league, so we won’t get the same calibre of players rule. Does it also apply for Man Utd? I ask as they are also not in the CL, but not aware of people saying the same thing, and I suspect they will still sign top quality players?

{Ed014's Note - what, like all the top quality shite they signed when they were in the champions league? ?

5.) 26 May 2022 22:43:21
They have spent badly Ed, although we aren’t clean on that front either, with a certain Pepe on our books. However, my point is, players will come, despite no CL, as long as they are a) paid the money they expect, and b) to a lesser extent, they believe in the story/ ambition they are told when ‘interviewed’.

{Ed014's Note - no argument from me Epping they will, I think we have a better story to tell too.

We've for sure spent a few quid on some dross, thankfully nowhere near the billion quid they’ve spent since Fergie left so they’re out there on their own when it comes to buying duds.

6.) 26 May 2022 22:51:25
Nice post Shambo, I agree about Ainsley and with the Roma move falling through I think he can definitely give us a game or two at CM this season and be an easy upgrade on Cedric for Tomi's backup.

I say it quietly these days given the abuse you see online, but we weren't ready for the CL. Our core squad is a man or two short of top 4 without Europe - we need to show we can handle the EL demands before we hope to break top 4 and stay alive in the cups.

7.) 27 May 2022 16:27:44
I am a little concerned that AMN didn't get much game time at Roma Wire.

8.) 28 May 2022 12:19:15
Agree Wire, while the outcome would have been great financially for attracting certain types of players, we really are not ready to compete properly in the CL while making ground on our league rivals.



09 Aug 2021 02:26:04
Looks like Willock will be moving for around ~22m. Pretty good deal for both sides, don't think he was quite up to the level we needed him to be to take us back to top 4, but I'm rooting for him all the same.

Eddie is also rumoured to be nearing a sale to Brighton for around 20m. I think he will be huge for them, they need a clinical finisher and that's him to a T. Can see him nabbing 15+ easily for them.

Bellerin hopefully soon to follow (I live in hope we see the back of Willian too but at this stage looks like he's going to be ESR's backup) .


1.) 09 Aug 2021 09:59:17
Hey wire, just a couple of observations mate.
I don’t like the Willock sale and I’ll tell you why. He wants to make it at Arsenal. He’s and Arsenal boy. He cares more than any of these so called snr players who allegedly have already made it as regulars putting on the shirt.
Funny thing tho, in his 5mths at Newcastle he has out performed and outscored our so called regulars who play in the same position against the same opposition in the same league. You could actually combine the contribution of ALL our players in CM and they havnt done in 3 seasons what he done under a different coach at a so called lesser club. Yet we’re selling one of our own and persisting with guys who were leaving a couple of weeks ago who have consistently under performed at this level and, unlike Willock, have little or no scope for improvement with time and experience.
We’re selling a guy who has nearly outscored our entire team in the last 7 games of the season and persisting with the dross.
As for Nketiah. If that’s true that he’s off to Brighton and somehow manages 15 league goals, that’ll mean it’s 2 more than our top scorer last season. I can’t see that myself but again it’s selling one of our own who’s invested in the club to persist with others in his position who wouldn’t hesitate to move right now for bigger contracts.
This club is in disarray.

2.) 09 Aug 2021 10:12:20
Despite liking both Willock and Eddie (mainly for being developed at the club) , I can't say i'm overly sad to see them leave. If they were that great we'd have bigger clubs than Newcastle and Brighton (respectively) knocking the door to snap them up. We all yearn for Champions League to return, for that to happen we need to shift on a lot of players and be ruthless. I think this will take the Xmas and next summers window until the squad takes a better shape.

3.) 09 Aug 2021 10:14:07
I'm with you on Willock, Shambo but I think he's a casualty of us not being able to move on Torreira, Gendouzi, Willian, Xhaka and the other dross we have. Hopefully there's a buy back clause but I doubt it.
I don't think Nketiah will score 15 goals a season at Brighton.

4.) 09 Aug 2021 11:03:29
Completely agree Shambo. Stupid decision.

5.) 09 Aug 2021 12:26:12
To me, Arsenal's biggest problem over the last few years has been hanging on to talent for too long and seeing the value plummet. It happened with Ainsley, we were offered 20m by Wolves only to keep him and then barely play him. I have seen a lot of Willock, and I think he's a natural goalscorer, but we need outgoings and some returns on our sales more than we need to keep him.

6.) 09 Aug 2021 12:50:14
It's Arteta decision be it a good or bad one, one things for certain and that's than if Arteta isn't going to play him then it's better for us and Joe he moves on and Arteta buys someone he is going to play.

Arteta is in change and right or wrong he has to either prove himself able or unable to get us into the top 5 minimum.

7.) 09 Aug 2021 12:56:09
You sound like you are teetering between the depression and acceptance stage of grief, g62.

8.) 09 Aug 2021 13:45:13
If selling Willock brings in Maddison/ Silva/ Aouar/ Guimaraes, then i'm all for it. If selling Eddie brings in a new striker then great, but i'm not as confident on this front. Abraham doesn't fill me with excitement but i'm not sure who else they are realistically looking at. Martinez was a dream that was never going to happen. Either way, the club needs to raise funds, but as G62 states, its on Artetas head that he makes the right call. If both are moved on, it has to be for improvements to come in.

9.) 09 Aug 2021 13:54:50
I personally think we take the money. Yes he scored goals for Newcastle but he thrived in a completely different system to the one we want to play. he scored goals mainly coming from counter attacks whereas its clear arteta wants us to dominate possession and pin back teams - in these situations Willock won't have the space and time to score the types of goal he has for Newcastle. I personally don't think he's good enough on the ball/ creative enough to play #10 for us, and equally I don't think he's solid enough defensively to play in the double pivot (would also be a waste of his ability in front of goal) so imo best thing to do is sell him and reinvest that into a midfielder who suits our play style a lot more.

10.) 09 Aug 2021 14:01:24
Hi Wire mate, no depression more grief very thankfully mate, just acceptance of reality.

Arteta as manager calls the shots and that's the way it should be, what comes from his choices and decisions will decide Artetas future, and that too is the way it should be.

If he makes us top 5 I'm happy for him to stay, if he doesn't I'm happy to see him replaced, either way i'm happy mate 😎.

11.) 09 Aug 2021 20:51:59
It’s a sad situation but when you need to raise funds you end up having to sell the China whilst keeping hold of the chipped cups. Willock is being sold purely because he can raise 20m, whereas Xhaka, Torreira, Elneny and many others can’t.



25 Jun 2021 01:00:42
Mavropanos move to Stuttgart looks to be official now - on loan with an obligation to buy if they don't get relegated, and an option to buy if they do. 5m in total with a sell-on clause.

Good luck to him. Never really got a fair shot at Arsenal IMO and I hope he does well.


1.) 25 Jun 2021 09:58:14
Wasn't he one of Sven's findings? I thought he looked decent. Like you say though, wasn't given a fair crack at the first team. But of a shame really.

2.) 25 Jun 2021 14:37:13
He was a Sven signing. Was often injured. Hope he comes good, best of luck to him.



25 May 2021 13:06:42
Ornstein reporting that Buendia and Norwich have mutually agreed that he can move on. Currently the clubs showing the most interest are Arsenal, and Villa who want to play him next to Grealish. Norwich are said to want at least £40m.

Edu and Arteta view him as the preferred option if they can't bring in Odegaard. Ornstein doesn't mention whether we would accept another loan.

We are also apparently prioritising right centre-back, specifically Jules Kounde, but this is unlikely as he will cost around £50 million and is likely to want Champions League football.

Norwich are apparently also willing to let Aarons and Cantwell go for the right price.


1.) 25 May 2021 17:15:19
Rather have him than odergard.

2.) 25 May 2021 21:32:31
I'm not sure Odegaard did enough on loan. Seemed a fairly average player, and we've already got plenty of those!



15 Aug 2020 03:20:38
Interesting news from ESPN today that Arsenal, led by Edu, are doing an internal investigation of the Pepe transfer. I think everyone was shocked by the amount - seems it wasn't just us fans.

Of course, the investigation might be more along the lines of "why did we sign Pepe when we could have signed a Joorabchian client" :' (.


1.) 15 Aug 2020 10:28:39
So Edu is conducting an investigation into the role he and his fellow decision making team handled the Pepe transfer?
I've a feeling they will come out of it covered in roses somehow :-) .
Wow they must be short of stuff to do :-)

2.) 15 Aug 2020 12:43:29
Might be related to Raul leaving. Perhaps he took a cut under the table? Don't want to speculate but it does seem very drastic. Not that I'm shedding any tears, mind you.

3.) 15 Aug 2020 20:27:13
Or perhaps Raul was called back at Barcelona?

4.) 15 Aug 2020 22:45:42
Fair point that desi.




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15 Aug 2022 01:09:06
Well done to Spurs to nab a point but the no-call on the hair pulling was a huge error and should result in a retrospective ban. Not so long ago we saw Fellaini try to take Guendouzi's scalp off and to see Romero do the same to Cucurella with not even a card + foul was outrageous. Tuchel acted a git but I can see why he was fuming. You get a red card these days for pushing your face into someone else's or giving them a shove, but not for trying to yank their hair out?

Can't wait for the NLD this year, really hope we turn up and give them a seeing to.


1.) 15 Aug 2022 16:59:57
I don't understand why VAR didn't point this out to the ref, a straight red card incident.



09 May 2022 12:52:34
Elneny being offered a new contract as per The Athletic. I'm pleased, he's exactly what every club needs, a steady professional who doesn't make a fuss and is happy to step in, especially when we will be spread so thin across Europe and domestic leagues.

Still remember clearly that peach of a strike against Barcelona, what a hit that was.


1.) 09 May 2022 13:55:06
For me personally Elneny has done more than enough and either Partey or Xhaka should partner him.

Personally I think you should pick players on performance and not by price tag or profile.



11 Jan 2022 23:23:58
The other day against Forest really exposed how silly it is to keep these ageing squad players who are depreciating in value.

If we cannot rely on Cedric and Holding to be reliable against lower league teams, and every year that goes by reduces their transfer value, why do we keep them? I don't think it's a stretch to ask the club to play the cups the Wenger way, fielding a youth team sprinkled with a couple of leaders.

That said, I loved the run-out for Patino but he didn't get enough support. He and Sambi both looked too green without someone like Ainsley or Xhaka to back them up.


1.) 11 Jan 2022 23:36:26
Was White any better?

Where are these leaders?

2.) 12 Jan 2022 00:52:12
White has proven he's first team material, though, and put in lots of great performances in the league for us. I don't think I've been impressed by Cedric or Holding in a very long time.

3.) 12 Jan 2022 09:29:03
I think White has been decent for us too Wire mate.

I personally think it's unrealistic to throw a bunch of players together and expect excellence from them, it's difficult for an individual to produce excellence when not getting regular football but when you ask a bunch of individuals to come together and blend instantly you are asking a lot. Sometimes it happens but quiete often it doesn't.
A squad that is light in quality has to make choices where it's priority lays, lots of teams fighting relegation chose league survival over a cup run.

4.) 12 Jan 2022 10:35:36
Very fair g62. Perhaps you are right, that we can't expect squad players to look the part without the minutes to build on. At the same time, players like Tavares and Nketiah have been getting a fair whack this season and still managed to make a right mess of the last match.

5.) 12 Jan 2022 12:35:08
Chambers should go if he can't get in the team ahead of Cedric!

6.) 12 Jan 2022 13:36:04
I just think it's difficult when you make so many changes in one go, 1 or 2 can fit in with other players who have already established an understanding together but sticking a mish mash all together and expecting instant excellence is unrealistic.

If you play the under 23s who play together each week plus a couple of experienced players at least they already have an understanding of each other before the game.

As we all know lots of fans want and expect to win every game and if that doesn't happen they get upset and look for someone or something to blame.

If our best 11 gave that performance we'd definitely have something to worry about ?.

7.) 12 Jan 2022 23:03:45
For me, we mostly suffered with a massively weakened midfield. The defence had no one to distribute the ball to, hence why White and Holding ended up having to carry the ball forward far too much. Never thought I would say this but perhaps we missed Xhaka? Movement up front was also poor, and for me it showed the difference between Ode and ESR. Ode needs others to spark, if they do, he will find them, if they don’t, he is devoid of ideas. ESR is the spark, either on or off the ball, we really missed his presence and drive.

8.) 12 Jan 2022 23:33:19
ERS was our player of the Season before Ode was preferred, from game 1 v Brentford ERS stood out when others struggled badly.

Strange footballing decision but 30 million reasons to make it for other reasons.



22 Aug 2021 23:54:06
Tactically I could see what we were trying to do today. Use Lokonga and Xhaka to slip ESR past Jorginho or put Pepe/ Saka into the half space between the wide CB and the fullback. At times this led to some huge spaces to exploit and was a lot better than our attacking performance against Brentford but we just couldn't manage to get a shot away most of the time.

Unfortunately as far as a coherent strategy goes, that's about it. There's no sense trying to overload the wings if you can't put anyone in the middle to take advantage of that. We're so afraid of simple attacking moves like a one-two or a slipped through ball that when it happens you're more shocked than pleased. It will get worse with City next week - I expect us to get thrashed - but it should start to get better after with Odegaard involved.

I'll never call for a manager's head, I believe in supporting the team in almost all circumstances, but we have realistically until Boxing day until the club have to make a decision. As Chelsea showed with Tuchel it's never too late when things aren't working.


1.) 23 Aug 2021 05:44:42
I don't think
We have a way of playing to be fair mate we definitely don't have a way of defending that's for sure.



13 Aug 2021 20:46:47
Was not ready for us to look quite this hopeless. We are really struggling.


1.) 13 Aug 2021 21:12:27
It is farcical.

2.) 13 Aug 2021 21:39:25
Not seen any change from last year winning last 5 games of last season just papering over the cracks happens every season. smith Rowe tierney and lakonga only ones who’ve done anything. god knows what Leno is doing on the 2nd goal come and claim it for gods sake.

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10 Aug 2022 12:19:37
I know you lot are down on him but I've been pretty impressed with the club's transfers this past 12-14 months, so if they really want Tielemans and he isn't a backup, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have a fair chance before I cast judgement.




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02 Aug 2022 11:52:44
Good, someone at the club has sense then.




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28 Jul 2022 06:52:12
Ah, see ed002 he actually meant Felipe Melo, Arsenal transfer rumour legend, still somehow playing at 39!




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17 Jul 2022 22:01:05
The Bellerin one is weird. On the one hand, he was obviously good for Betis, as a starter in many of their games in a historic season for them. On the other, he's clearly been pretty poor since he lost his pace with the ACL tear and has been getting cooked time and again by average wingers. Clearly Betis didn't feel he was good enough for them to take up their option. I think even Cedric played better than Hector.

As for Torreira, I think he's mostly burnt his bridges with us so it's probably a question of putting him in the shop window. I still think he's a good player though. Would like to see him give it a proper go, without all the caustic comments about us.




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06 Jul 2022 04:26:16
If he goes, and we get good money for him, it seems like exactly in our long-term vision to let him go and hold Saliba to his contract to start next to White, don't you reckon? Signed for 20m, sold for 40m, good business in my eyes.

Only have to do that a few times every few years to build ourselves back into real competitors like Liverpool and Chelsea have managed to do.





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16 Aug 2022 00:20:42
I think looking at Pepe's output, especially in the seasons he was getting consistent games, blows Sancho's out of the water. Pepe is an expensive flop, but he's a lot more productive than Sancho. We'd have managed to sell him for a fair bit if he was English.




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12 Aug 2022 12:42:20
I'm pleased with the result at Selhurst because these are the results that tripped us up last season. It wasn't so much about beating the other big teams, Arteta showed us he is capable of this already, it was about getting those expected results instead of falling apart like we did last season.

I think that was largely due to the owners reluctance to spend in January - the rest of the team was good enough but our strikers let us down. As far as I'm concerned this was really the expected trajectory, so I'm pleased, but not surprised.


{Ed014's Note - I think Sally covered it in respect of expecting some hiccups and hopefully they’ll be minor ones whilst the grow and learn.

I think we’re all happy that things are improving and fingers crossed they continue on that trajectory as it can only mean good things.



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10 Aug 2022 22:54:54
Barcelona have become such a joke of a club. I know pages have been written on them but I still can't get over how awful they are. The Frenkie saga is the crap cherry on a sundae.




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08 Aug 2022 01:33:26
I would assume there are also major concerns about his attitude given the way he's bagged us to the media. Do clubs consider that stuff in the purchase price Eds? I mean, he basically said he's never playing for us again, and it's a very weak negotiating position from Arsenal's POV.


{Ed002's Note - He is one of a number of unhappy players.}



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08 Aug 2022 01:35:20
That's harsh Ox. White is several steps above Handsome Cal both with the ball at his feet and his ability to deal with players running at him.

I agree I'd like to see what he can do in the 6 role. Arteta is a Pep disciple, and Pep is a master at using that kind of flexibility.