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17 May 2016 14:35:30
Hi Eds

Is anyone able to enlighten me with regards to transfer fees and costs etc. As an example, Xhaka's price is being quoted around 33 million (approx) Is that price purely the price of the player, and then agent fees etc are added later? Or does that price include all necessary add-ons? i'm curious as Wenger apparently stated Kroenke will provide appropriate funding this summer, and would be helpful to have an idea how player prices work so we can try and be objective with Wenger and board.

Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - As football fans it is best you avoid any thoughts about the finances as it tends to confuse everyone. However, it might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £45M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.

1.) 17 May 2016 17:44:12
Hey Ed002, What happens if the player is sold and there were some promises made to previous club in add-ons like some appearances or some awards won by that player. What happens to those add-ons?

{Ed002's Note - Sorry - I really have no interest in entering in to any discussion on the page.}

2.) 17 May 2016 21:48:02
And to answer the initial question I think a lot of the transfer fees you heard don't account for the additional costs. Good example is buying you house you have the house price ( transfer fee) but it doesn't take into account moving cost, solicitors fees, estate agents fees, Mrs wanting new sofas ect ect.

3.) 18 May 2016 00:37:19
I seriously judt don't get it why fans want to get stuck in all the transfer fees and cost and so on, there is a price for every player and we have the money to spend it, end of. I personally do not care. we pay to watch matches, at the stadium and on tv and I don't think any club will be asking how much in fees we pay.

4.) 18 May 2016 00:07:57
Thanks Ed002, very informative.

Good comparison Dandan.

5.) 18 May 2016 14:53:11
Hi Ed,

Superb explanation. It also puts into context why a transfer takes so long.

For all of those payments / actions I imagine there are numerous forms to fill well after an amount has been agreed.


{Ed002's Note - Yes there is a form or two.}

6.) 19 May 2016 08:46:40
Thanks for the above Ed - much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Lefty.}




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22 Sep 2019 12:42:41
Hi handsome goons. Anyone know the best site to stream the match today?


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1.) 22 Sep 2019 13:47:22
Thanks Ed.

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05 Aug 2019 10:20:18
Morning fellow Goons

Transfers aside, can we all take a moment to appreciate young Willock and Nelson (even AMN! Bad mistake yesterday but still a young talent) . Personally I have been very impressed by Willock this pre-season. Especially yesterday, thought he was superb and looks ready to be implemented 'slowly' into the first team. I actually thought his brother was a better player a few years ago, and was disappointed when he left. However, his displays towards the end of last season and so far in this, he looks a real prospect. Hopefully Emery can continue nurturing him and he could be massive for the club in the next few seasons. Also Nelson, I was disappointed to see him loaned last season but that move looks to have matured him a lot. Not been as stand out as Willock, but still very impressed. Gets around the pitch very well and has begun tracking back. Still needs to fine tune his final ball in the final 3rd, but that's comes with games and learning from mistakes.

Personally I love seeing 'our own' coming through and and so hopeful these guys can make it. Gives other youngsters hope that they can achieve the same!

come on you gunners!


1.) 05 Aug 2019 10:48:11
I definitely think we need to give our young players an extended run in there natural positions but not be precious about them where they are 25 years old and still only potentially good enough.
They certainly need a chance but equally they need to sink or swim just like at other clubs and not become a (he's Arsenal through and through) protected species as in the past.

2.) 05 Aug 2019 10:50:13
Fully agree lefty. The season loan did Nelson good. He has strengthened up. Needs to play. Willock and Saka look superb.

3.) 05 Aug 2019 11:59:13
G62 fully agree. They have earned their chance to show what they can do in the first team. And them being 'Arsenal through and through' will naturally make fans want them to succeed more. However the sink or swim measurement is a must. If after a couple of seasons they haven't proved to develop, akin to Walcott et al, then Emery will have to be ruthless. I have a good feeling about this group of youngsters though. They seem to have that something extra, that something special that we haven't seen for a while. Willock, Nelson, AMN, Sako, Nketiah. Great talents. We will be ever so lucky if half of them prove to be good enough to stay in the team for seasons to come.

4.) 05 Aug 2019 17:03:05
Good post lefty mate, but you’ve got to mention saka, I know I’ve spoken about him the other day but I see a great player in the making. Willock and nelson been great and I like the fact nelson want to prove to others that he’s ready but hopefully he won’t try too hard and lose his focus on doing the right things.

5.) 05 Aug 2019 17:57:35
That sako looks a good young player to.



25 Jun 2018 14:50:33
I try not to get too carried away with transfer rumours, and prefer to listen to ED002 or Ornstein first, but I cannot help but get excited about Banega. I have loved his play-style for a lont time, and with Emery used to working with him, surely its a no-brainer. I am loving the defensive reinforcements so far, but Banega, yes please!


1.) 25 Jun 2018 15:54:23
Personally, I think that's enough aging players now. If we are going to spend more money in the transfer window it should be aimed at targets we are already chasing, Soyuncu or Seri etc. Players that are still young have are reaching the prime of their careers. If he was a free transfer then fair enough.

2.) 25 Jun 2018 17:04:26
Don't worry about the money Glen mate it makes no odds to us if he's free or 5 or 20 million, if he is good enough to still command a decent transfer fee then maybe that's a good sign rather than a disadvantage mate.

3.) 26 Jun 2018 08:57:25
It's clearly an issue with the club though Gunner because why would you settle for a £15m 30 year old Benega over a £40m 26 year old Seri. The answer - The money. Both attacking midfielders and I know which one I would prefer. Arsenal don't need to increase the average age of the squad by 100,000 to plug the problem areas because they're cheaper and experienced. We will only have to plug those holes again next year because they're 'getting on a bit'. I am happy with the business we have done so far and looking at Torreira, he is going to be another good signing for us! If we are going to bring in more however, some younger talented players would be more beneficial.

{Ed002's Note - I don't think many would consider Banega an AM.}

4.) 26 Jun 2018 10:35:13
Let me re-phrase for those that might be a little confused. He's a central midfielder which equally involves attacking and defending. let's take Iniesta for example, he's a central midfielder who does both but prefers to attack rather than defend. So Banega is a more 'attacking' central midfielder. Then again, we all have our own opinions.

5.) 26 Jun 2018 14:25:37
My point about money was meant about us fans, it makes no odds to us if signings are free or 15 million it's not us paying it.
You like Seri Glen, Dick likes Banega, I think it's best Dick does what he thinks is right because it's him who will get judged either way.
Managers get sacked while fans just move on to next season regardless.



20 Jun 2018 09:45:03
In the past 12 months, Walcott, Giroud, Cazorla, Wilshere, Coquelin, Gibbs? Ox, Mertesacker, Debuchy, Sanchez all gone. I didn't actually realize how many previous 'first teamers' had been been moved on! Credit where its due, this team needed a major overhaul and the cosy club mentality needed to change. Its beginning to look in a lot better shape.


1.) 20 Jun 2018 12:42:25
Don't forget Gabriel and Szseszency.



14 Jun 2018 10:08:56
Lots of discussions regarding Mustafi and Xhaka, and whether Emery can get any more form them. One player seemingly skating under the radar with regards to this is Kolasinac. I loved him the first few games, but admittedly he faltered slightly as the season developed. Was this confidence? Form? Formation? Who knows. I am however very excited to see how he performs under Emery and really hoping he becomes the beast he was in the Bundesliga. With our other (potential as yet) defensive recruits, a fit and firing Kolasinac could be fantastic.


1.) 14 Jun 2018 10:20:54
It's a hard one with him because he was ideally a wing back which isn't going to be a feature much this season if Emery does stick with the 4 at the back. I really want to see him do well and he certainly has the potential to do so! Some training and encouragement with a new coach and I think he will be more than comfortable back there. We can't rely on Monreal all season with Emery's high intense pressing.

2.) 14 Jun 2018 10:43:08
Wasn't he German player of the season before we signed him? I may have dreamt that :-)
Sanchez is the only Arsene signing of the last 5 seasons who has done well and increased his reputation at Arsenal
Chambers Welbeck Ozil Xhaka Mustafi all arrived in better shape than they are now so on that basis all should be given a season under a new coach and the benefit of the doubt I guess.
Oh I guess you could add Elneny and Holding to Sanchez as having their reputation improved under Arsene at a push simply because none of us had ever heard of them before and have now.

3.) 14 Jun 2018 10:54:13
He was in the Bundesliga team of the season yes, as a wing back :) he played well for us as a wing back but was sloppy at LB.

4.) 14 Jun 2018 12:35:01
Kolasinac was playing superbly in Germany and started well when he joined us. As with many new signings in recent seasons they start well and then appear to go backwards. Under Emery I have a feeling he will improve considerably on last seasons performances, especially with an improved emphasis on the defensive side of the game and with a greater intensity on pressing the opposition.

5.) 14 Jun 2018 13:02:57
Kolasinac has gone from playing wing back for 2 weeks to having 2 weeks on the bench. Then coming back in the squad as a full back and then the next week he's playing on the right side of the back 3. It's hardly surprising he's been frustrated and we've seen a dip in his performances. Playing people out of position and inconsistently should hopefully of come to an end now so I think we will see a lot of improvements throughout the squad :)

6.) 14 Jun 2018 14:41:43
Play your best 11 in their correct positions each and every game if you want to be the best you can be.
Rotation is for the cosy people the best players don't fear competion, they don't even think about it they just let their performances do the talking for them.




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05 Jun 2018 10:06:28
Im really mixed on this one. I used to like Fellaini at Everton, and back then wanted him to come to us. I saw him as more of a ball playing CDM. At United I haven't been overly impressed, but I guess if we have a limited budget and he is coming to the end of his contract, he could work out short term. I'd support him and hope he becomes solid for us. He definitely has more steel than anyone we currently play regardless.




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16 May 2018 15:00:10
I don't believe the rumors myself, but ill delve in as its the hot topic. i'm not opposed to Arteta at all, I agree completely. He could be a success, he could be a failure. i'm fairly sure he was thought very highly of when passing his badges, apparently being outstanding in the training. We all wanted change, and this is change. With Ivan, Raul and Sven overseeing things, a coach as opposed to a manager sounds pretty decent to me. If after a season or 2 he fails, we search again.




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15 May 2018 11:59:23
Ha thanks Ed :) . Picturing Dick Van Dyke chimney sweeps singing around the offices!




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15 May 2018 10:30:23
Ed002, can I just say, your input is so incredible. I used to run all over the internet and read every journalist for Arsenal rumours and transfer targets. It was like a drug that I had to keep trying to find a better hit off. The past few years reading your insight has been amazing. I literally ignore 99% of what I see elsewhere these days. I wait for you to pass your knowledge to us grateful goons, and then carry on with my day. Would love to know some of the Ed's backgrounds one day, just out of interest really.


{Ed002's Note - You are very sweet. All I know of the Eds is:
Ed001 - Florist
Ed002 - Rodeo Clown and Gentleman Adventurer
Ed003 - Florist
Ed004 - Trainee Chimney Sweep
Ed007 - Chimney Sweep
Ed018 - Florist
Ed033 - Florist
Ed333 - Florist}



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12 Dec 2017 14:41:47
I would actually like Fellaini in the midfield. Never really considered him before, but a bit of size and aggression is just what we need. With some consistent game time he was becoming influential at United. He would likely get the same with us. i'm game.





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22 Sep 2019 13:47:22
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05 Aug 2019 11:59:13
G62 fully agree. They have earned their chance to show what they can do in the first team. And them being 'Arsenal through and through' will naturally make fans want them to succeed more. However the sink or swim measurement is a must. If after a couple of seasons they haven't proved to develop, akin to Walcott et al, then Emery will have to be ruthless. I have a good feeling about this group of youngsters though. They seem to have that something extra, that something special that we haven't seen for a while. Willock, Nelson, AMN, Sako, Nketiah. Great talents. We will be ever so lucky if half of them prove to be good enough to stay in the team for seasons to come.




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18 Jul 2019 11:40:12
I can't deny being slightly excited about Zaha. Would love the deal to come through. However, I wouldn't choose him instead of a commanding centre back. I would much rather give Nelson a decent run and go for Maguire or similar. It so frustrating watching our quality attack be destroyed by a pathetic back line. I think the bigger question however, is whether Emery could coach and teach a back line to work solidly together. No point having a rear engine beast full of aggression and traction ruined by a terrible driver. I hope Emery could succeed, but without actually buying a decent defender we will never know.




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18 Jun 2018 15:34:00
My favorite 'defensive' style player presently is Kante. Completely opposite to tall and bruising. So much energy and bite, reading the game well and moving the ball quickly. A double pivot of AMN and Toerreira could be great, and being honest, i'd find that more exciting than N'Zonzi.




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13 Jun 2018 10:26:56
RG me too dude. Reading stories that Wenger wouldn't allow tackles in training and apparently limited Bould's input on the defensive side, it just baffles me. i'm just so happy to see defensive recruits coming in. If we can be more solid, actually track runners and get some more communication in the back line, I think we will fly. Our attack is great, now bring on the rear guard.