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17 May 2016 14:35:30
Hi Eds

Is anyone able to enlighten me with regards to transfer fees and costs etc. As an example, Xhaka's price is being quoted around 33 million (approx) Is that price purely the price of the player, and then agent fees etc are added later? Or does that price include all necessary add-ons? i'm curious as Wenger apparently stated Kroenke will provide appropriate funding this summer, and would be helpful to have an idea how player prices work so we can try and be objective with Wenger and board.

Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - As football fans it is best you avoid any thoughts about the finances as it tends to confuse everyone. However, it might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £45M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.

1.) 17 May 2016 17:44:12
Hey Ed002, What happens if the player is sold and there were some promises made to previous club in add-ons like some appearances or some awards won by that player. What happens to those add-ons?

{Ed002's Note - Sorry - I really have no interest in entering in to any discussion on the page.}

2.) 17 May 2016 21:48:02
And to answer the initial question I think a lot of the transfer fees you heard don't account for the additional costs. Good example is buying you house you have the house price ( transfer fee) but it doesn't take into account moving cost, solicitors fees, estate agents fees, Mrs wanting new sofas ect ect.

3.) 18 May 2016 00:37:19
I seriously judt don't get it why fans want to get stuck in all the transfer fees and cost and so on, there is a price for every player and we have the money to spend it, end of. I personally do not care. we pay to watch matches, at the stadium and on tv and I don't think any club will be asking how much in fees we pay.

4.) 18 May 2016 00:07:57
Thanks Ed002, very informative.

Good comparison Dandan.

5.) 18 May 2016 14:53:11
Hi Ed,

Superb explanation. It also puts into context why a transfer takes so long.

For all of those payments / actions I imagine there are numerous forms to fill well after an amount has been agreed.


{Ed002's Note - Yes there is a form or two.}

6.) 19 May 2016 08:46:40
Thanks for the above Ed - much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Lefty.}




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16 Aug 2021 11:41:00
In staying true to my plans this seasons, i'm trying to keep positive and optimistic. Must admit, I didn't think I would have to try this hard already lol, but nevertheless.

Sambi looks class, really impressed with him and so pleased he has joined. His calmness for his age is just ridiculous. Tierney put everything into the game, as always. ESR is a game changer, some of his play deserved better returns.

Im worried about Auba and Lacca, not because they were missed (they both need to hit their heights of 2 years ago before they are overly missed) but because it seems a common issue with Arteta that he falls out with players. I'm hoping there's nothing major to it, he is the manager and the team need to meet his demands or be cut. I like the ruthless approach tbh, just hope this doesn't continue.

Hopefully Saka will start on the weekend, his link up with ESR is vital if we are to get anything out of the game. Pepe will hopefully be firing and White will remember he's a defender lol.



1.) 16 Aug 2021 14:32:21
We can only hope Lefty and let’s hope Laca decides he no longer sick. We play better with him, ESR and Saka.

2.) 16 Aug 2021 19:42:28
yeah its not all bad ESR, Tierney and Saka are our bright sparks, and we need to build a team around them tbh. Sambi done ok and White yeah been ok I think considering still settling down into the side. Not seen enough of Taveres to judge really. For me our best CB's while not world class are White and Gabby going forward. Chambers not good enough of a defender and Holding not sure on either tbh. Lacazette still puts in a shift even if he would rather leave PEA's form is more a worry seem to have slacked right off of late. Can we really rely on Martenelli, Nketiah and Balogun for the consistency of goals.

TBH signing Odegaard don't excite me much neither does Maddison either not at the price needed for sure. I think rather take punt on Aouer.



21 Jul 2021 12:51:54
Is Danny Mills doing anyone else's head in? Constantly berating the White deal and using the opportunity to express his dislike for Arsenal.
Of course the club isn't the giant it once was, not even close, but if White has been sold on the vision from Arteta, then credit to the lad for having the guts to pursue it. Of course he could go to 'bigger' clubs currently, but give me strength, Mills just needs to move on as no-one particularly cares about his opinion. Dude thinks he was Maldini in his playing days i'm sure.


{Ed002's Note - You obviously care about his opinion.}

1.) 21 Jul 2021 15:09:50
...................Another piece of trash removed from the site.......................

2.) 21 Jul 2021 15:26:54
Ed I must admit, his opinion has irked me, so possibly I care more than I want to admit. He just seems like he is everywhere spreading bad vibes with such negative bias. Poor Lefty needs some Arsenal love coming back lol.

{Ed002's Note - You should simply ignore it Lefty.}

3.) 21 Jul 2021 15:46:40
Danny"1 Carling cup Medal" Mills is a nob.

4.) 21 Jul 2021 15:46:52
Good advice Ed. Can easily feel frustrated when our beloved clubs are tarnished. Focus on the positives is a must :)

5.) 21 Jul 2021 16:14:25
It's an opinion and Danny Mills is paid to voice his opinion.

Arsenal have a choice, make Danny Mills words look silly or show them to have been wise!

It's what we do with Ben white in our team that will ultimately matter, Danny's had his say and now its Ben Mikel and Co to respond on the pitch.

6.) 21 Jul 2021 17:18:56
I can’t stand it Lefty, but have you noticed how the people with such strong opinions all had shocking careers. Micah Richards, abonglahor, jenas, Mills. How much commitment Micah and Jenas show to City and Tottenham when neither of them were treated brilliantly by either amazes me. But i suppose it is there job i just can’t stand listening to them when i'm watching any football match.

7.) 21 Jul 2021 17:30:10
This is the exact moment Mills started hating Arsenal



15 Jun 2021 11:55:34
Anyone watch Alexander Isak against Spain last night? Looked quality. Read we were linked somewhere, but not sure how legit it is. Either way, raw and dangerous, liked him a lot.


1.) 15 Jun 2021 19:41:43
He's a good player. And my opinion counts as i always sign him on football manager! He's a 30+ goal a season guy once he hits the age of 25 😎😂.



21 May 2021 15:03:06
As we enter a significantly important summer for the club, reflecting on the current squad is naturally going to happen. 1 player that I feel should remain in the club, and possibly start more next season, is Pepe. 14 goals from a stop/ start campaign is not to be sniffed at. I hope he fires on all cylinders next season, as we could potentially have the match winner we all hoped he would be!


1.) 21 May 2021 16:03:48
Yes lefty mate. He is finally starting to fulfill his potential and could be a very good player and game changer with consistency. He should definitely be part of the team next year. Front four of Martinelli, Pepe, Saka and ESR will be good to watch.

2.) 21 May 2021 23:23:07
Happy for him and for him to stay. I wanted to see him down the middle more as he seemed boxed in on the right. Great goal return this year especially with not having a No 10 for most of season and no creativity. That along with tinker man, I think Pepe has done well - deserves stability and support.



19 Feb 2021 09:25:48
May be a personal view, but my god Odegaard looked class last night. I hoped ESR and Odegaard would play in the same team and not rotate, and for me this is working wonders. ESR is still class on the left (much better than Auba and Pepe there) , although he is a bit more limited than his free role a few weeks ago. However, Odegaard just looks special. I don't think he is fully fit yet, but his vision and ability to play quick forward passes is great. He tracks runners, puts a shift in and can spot passes ala Ozil. Surely he can only get better the fitter he gets and the more used to the team he gets? Very subjective and quick wish, but I hope he signs in the summer if the last 2 games are anything to go by.


1.) 19 Feb 2021 10:50:31
I agree our forward play is so much better
I still have reservations about PEA. I would give Pepe a run up front.

2.) 19 Feb 2021 16:08:23
The only slight spanner in the works lefty is that as long as Odegaard is on loan with no option to buy, then he should be played out of position to allow ESR to play where he is best and prefers. Otherwise are we not just improving a Real Madrid player at the expense of our own?




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23 Sep 2021 09:44:53
Toney would be a really interesting shout.




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26 Aug 2021 10:10:39
Would love Trippier, i'm not sure the club is a big enough draw for him without Champions League mind. RB is a massive problem right now for me. Chambers is nowhere near good enough, so hopefully someone comes in. Aarons maybe?




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17 Aug 2021 11:33:06
Being honest Ed, I don't see who could buy him with the crazy wages the club provided. Not his fault of course, its the club who were daft enough to offer him such a wage, but absolutely limits his options. Barca's current position surely rules them out.


{Ed002's Note - Unless they can move Griezmann or Coutinho on and he reduces his demands.}



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17 Aug 2021 09:43:59
Im a fan of Lenglet, not a fan of Neto or Coutinho. But, I don't think we need Lenglet at all. If Auba doesn't want to be at the club, or doesn't see eye-to-eye with the manager, sell him. Swap deals always seem weird. Invest the money in a new striker (no idea who at this stage mind)


{Ed002's Note - Who do you expect to buy him?}



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09 Aug 2021 13:45:13
If selling Willock brings in Maddison/ Silva/ Aouar/ Guimaraes, then i'm all for it. If selling Eddie brings in a new striker then great, but i'm not as confident on this front. Abraham doesn't fill me with excitement but i'm not sure who else they are realistically looking at. Martinez was a dream that was never going to happen. Either way, the club needs to raise funds, but as G62 states, its on Artetas head that he makes the right call. If both are moved on, it has to be for improvements to come in.





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23 Sep 2021 09:48:21
Couldnt agree more, the youth coming through is very exciting! doesn't mean much for this season, and possibly next, but if talents like Patino, Biereth, Balogun, Taylor-Hart etc continue to develop at the current rate, we are in luck. Add these to Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Sambi, Pepe, White, Ramsdale, Tavares! The squad can be insane in a few years!




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20 Sep 2021 14:05:24
I like the 4 1 4 1 formation from the weekend, but against better teams (no-disrespect to Burnley) I think we would be far to open. Xhaka will definitely start, hopefully alongside Partey.

Our bigger worry is still for the CF. Auba still isn't firing, Balogun is back in the U23s and Lacca can't get a look in all of a sudden. Despite Ode and ESR, we can't say we are creating that many chances for Auba, but either way we need more.




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10 Sep 2021 12:14:24
Although I agree Glen, we do have a midfield worry. No Xhaka, Elneny is injured and R. Martinez's comments on Sambi suggest he has a knock/ injury. Add a 50% Partey and the midfield looks baron! I am genuinely concerned Norwich will turn us over.




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31 Aug 2021 19:10:39
Listening to Kaveh, he had info from an agent trying to sell Tamayiso (spelling? ) - apparently he isn't a RB, or a CB. Didn't talk very fondly. Didn't fill me with confidence.


{Ed014's Note - I really wouldn’t worry about it lefty, I heard/read he was a hard tackling no nonsense defender and I’d be happy with that.



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31 Aug 2021 09:36:35
Love you Ed002 😍.