Arsenal Banter Archive December 10 2014

10 Dec 2014 23:30:44
What do you boys think of Stan Collymore on?

Love him. He says it exactly as he sees it and is not afraid to pull the rug from under the feet of the 'establishment'.

A lot of radio pundits waffle total crap, but he speaks his mind.

Am I his only fan?

Your the only one I've ever heard of Dags, personally I think he's a publicity seeking desperado who is a wanna be has been if he ever had been in the first place

11 Dec 2014 07:38:30
Not a fan than G62? Lol

I concur Dags. Although I agree with G62 to an extent especially when he touches on subjects like racism etc within our sport.

I think that's why I don't mind Gary Neville as a pundit because he says it like he see's it. His classic 'look at David Luiz's positioning, it looks like someone has a game console controller and is moving him around the pitch'. Classic Gaz!

{Ed001's Note - sorry but none of those pundits speak their mind at all. They are all just playing a role to stir up as many idiots to phone in and whine as they can. Neville, for instance, has all those little clips spoonfed to him, he doesn't pick them all out. They are just a different type of actor on a different stage.}

Sometimes I think listening to stan collymore feels like a slap in the face. a women I remember once said the same thing

lol no I think he's good esp on his views with arsenal

I've always wondered that ED, but never known for sure. Do you know that as a fact and if so, do you think any of the pundits pick out their own clips and make their own points? Like Danny Murphy I've always thought of as reasonably intelligent and, for example, Pat Nevin writes some fairly decent analysing articles.

{Ed001's Note - I know Danny well and he is not that bright, lovely lad but he is no genius. I know when my uncle worked as a pundit for the BBC, he was given what amounted to a script of things he had to fit into his analysis. It was a Man Utd game, and he had a list of things that had to be mentioned. It is no different now, they have roles to fill, and they do get some leeway, but they are still expected to fill certain roles. Hansen, for instance, ended up as a caricature of himself by the end of his time, as he got so set in his role as a critic of the defending.

What happens is that they have a team of analysts to pick out clips, then the producers will pick out a bunch to make the points. Sometimes the points are chosen by the pundit, sometimes by the producer, some are decided mutually, but the most a pundit will do is tell them a moment he saw something and ask them to find it. There simply isn't the time for them to do so during a game and in the short gap before they are expected to provide their punditry.

If it is done well, they all work together as a team to find the right clips to illustrate the points, but it is definitely a team effort, not the pundit himself deciding it.}

11 Dec 2014 18:29:36
Great insight Ed.

Thank you.

{Ed001's Note - it did make me laugh, as Man Utd were playing foreign opposition and he was forced to say things along the lines of "we are all supporting United" and "obviously we all want to see United do well here" etc. It was just about the last thing he wanted was to see United do well, being as he is a Liverpool fan! But it was either that or forget working in TV again.}

11 Dec 2014 18:47:01
Ed,

Do they have to adhere to the same guidelines on radio, or are pundits allowed to be more expressive and opinionated?

{Ed001's Note - they are encouraged to express opinions likely to cause people to phone in and complain or moan on social media. The more reaction, the better.}

You know you have made the top table of dogging, when a bloke comes up to you and says we had stan collymore here last week, lol

That wouldn't be uncle Ray would it nephew Ed001? Intrigued :-)

11 Dec 2014 19:14:15
Fair play Ed, thank you.

Did I guess right Ed? Took me ages to piece all the clues together :-) I bet I've put 4 and 12 together and come up with -1, again :-(

Cheers ED. Jermaine Jenas is an obvious one for me, he sounds like he is reading straight from a script out loud, word for word.

10 Dec 2014 20:48:58
So am I right in saying that we are pretty much about to get Ozil, Walcott and Diaby back?

10 Dec 2014 22:56:08
Walcott is pencilled in for boxing day match against QPR.

Ozil for Southampton game on 1st Jan.

Diaby is due back anytime between now and 2034.

No, you're not!

11 Dec 2014 15:25:03
I think you got your numbers wrong on Diaby. Pretty sure I heard some time before 2043. Even Gnabry might be back before him at that rate

10 Dec 2014 15:03:06
Conspiracy theory:

Was Podolski playing so well last night to impress the competition.

Galatasaray have been suitors of Podoski recently.

10 Dec 2014 15:49:29
He wouldn't go to a sinking ship like them. He's doing it for his place here

Commentators said Gala were after Campbell, wouldn't mind him being sold/loaned out as he doesn't look like challenging sanchez/walcott/ox/pod or even gnabry(wherever he is?)

10 Dec 2014 13:04:12
I seriously think we as fans need to take a leaf out how other fans support their club no matter what, Look at Galatasray loosing 3-0, still all the noise could be heard from them, and what are they a strength of 30-40,000. Still holding thier banners high, same with Dortmund fans they are rock bottom in thier league, but do they hold wenger out banners,? No, they instead hold banners of how they will continue to support the club during this hard time. It is really silly and Atrocious what our own set of fans did last week, abusing wenger, fighting amongst themselves on that wannabe Arsenal TV, claude seriously.

Wenger or no Wenger I think the least we can do is stop fighting amongst ourselves, remember the times we sang we love you arsenal while loosing 8-2 to utd.

10 Dec 2014 15:54:08
Dortmund fans were booing and whistling the team/klopp a few weeks ago when they were losing.

{Ed001's Note - no they were not booing and whistling Klopp, he has still been the subject of plenty of love. They were creating huge banners asking him not to go and constantly flooding radio phone ins etc with messages of support.}

10 Dec 2014 15:56:49
Every one is going to come at this from a different angle and whilst I support Wenger and see what he is building there are those that don't.

They have had a gut full of Wenger and will use any single thing they can think of to put him down.

I don't agree with abuse, banners or want the team to lose but like I said opinions differ.

The main difference to me is that I can happily look at Wengers whole tenure at Arsenal, see what he built back in the first nine years and see what he's achieved bar trophies since then and what with money I believe he can go on and achieve again.

I think even the most die hard Wenger out fan can see that a top class DM and CB and we would be a whole new proposition.

What they don't believe is that he'll do it or have a clue what to do with them when he has.

I don't have my eyes closed and get as miserable as everyone when we lose and the big losses last season and losing to dross like United this season erk even the most patient of us.

I think the basis to challenge for everything is right there, add those two players along with replacements for others who need to be moved on and we'll have reasons to be cheerful.

10 Dec 2014 17:50:28
Hood.
Good point.Spot on Ed.
Im with you DOG,

Arsenal fan TV is great. For you to call it wannabe is disrespectful to Robbie and company. They're just fans voicing their opinions

Im addicted to arsenal fan tv. its great viewing

11 Dec 2014 16:06:10
Ed he in an interview a few weeks ago said

"I totally understand the criticism, that's just human. I also understand the whistles. They are normal.

But everyone who whistles must also question himself whether it's helpful to have a go at someone who just failed a test and tells him: You are too stupid to piss in the snow. But regardless of that, the situation feels disastrous. Nobody needs it."

It seems after this the support came out in spades after that and was around the time he made the Bayern comment

10 Dec 2014 11:19:06
That bloke in the Arsenal No. 9 Shirt last night.

Who was he? And what has he done with the lazy, sluggish Lukas Podolski that I've become used to over the last 18 months?

What a performance. Let's hope he can keep that up.

That was Lewis Podolski, Lucas's twin brother!

Lets just hope he did'nt do that last night because he is in the shop window for a move in jan. Would be very dissapointed if that's the reason.

Podloski still dint have a good enough performance for 90 mins, apart from the 2 goals, I thought he dint offer anything much defensively other than first 30 mins of the game. I do agree that he has a killer foot, but we need him to offer more in a 90 min game.

Did, nt watch the whole game, but podolski can't really be fully match fit as he has'nt played so I wouldn't have expected him to even last the full 90, however we have the choice with him to either sell him, or play him and expect that he mostly attacks.

In all fairness his job should be scoring goals and the defender behind him should be aware of that.

Hood

If L P plays like that for 90 minutes each week and score 2 goals a game, there can't be many complaints.

I thought I was harsh :)

BG I don't mind the goals, the thing is in a PL game there needs to be more on offer, and helping the defense out. I saw on many occasions poor Hector Bellerin was left to do deal with 2 on 1 situations. Its the same on the other side, where I thought Campbell could have helped Debuchy more. don't get me wrong I love that left foot of his, but when we are playing bigger teams or slightly good teams like Swans, SH and West Ham. We need a little more. Perfect to bring him on with 20 mins to go I guess or start the game with him, get the goal, and take him off at 60

10 Dec 2014 15:04:05
The reality of it is that Podolski has become a squad player because if Sanchez, Welbeck, Giroud and Walcott are up and running, who do you drop and where do you play him.

It is exactly or should I say was exactly the kind of performance you want from a squad player, to fill in, do well and maybe earn himself more game time.

He was doing a lot of cajoling and organising of the younger players but he cannot be a luxury player, he has to be on it for the full 90.

He earns big money, should work for it, speak to Wenger if he needs to but don't whine on social media.

Two great goals and he always has that in him.

10 Dec 2014 15:33:58
Hood

In fairness to Podolski, even if it is for 30 minutes or so, that's more defensive work than he's done in the last 18 months. That alone makes his performance impressive.

Sadly I agree with Red Dog lol

He clearly still isn't fully fit so wasn't surprised he faded a lot second half, but was clearly trying. Personally I think the main issue with Pods is he plays best as a 2nd striker where as we favour playing 1 striker with 2 wingers who have to track back. Would definitely like to see him used more as a 2nd striker in a 442 when we need to score.

10 Dec 2014 09:06:23
Damn you Ramsey, that thunderbolt wasn't supposed to go in or I would have had correct score and scorers!

I'll take that though

10 Dec 2014 11:06:21
Still a good prediction on your part mate.

Respect.

Dont get me wrong i'm not joining the AW out brigade yet, but I feel last nights performance was purely down to the players wanting to win, they went against pur normal 'tippy tappy' sexy football and just played to their strengths.

Well done to the boys!

10 Dec 2014 07:54:46
Hey guys, chelsea fan here.

Starting off, Aaron Ramsey. His technique of hitting the ball is up there with the best. He's hit more than a couple if worldies, if he can pick up the form if last year, you have quite a magnificent player.

Your keepers, while Snesesny (god knows how to spell the name) and ospiba are quite good, they're not top players. You guys need to go all out for Cech imo. Second best keeper in league, and needs to be at a top club (you are a top club apart from wenger settling on mediocrity).

Defense your defense is a major problem. Kos is the only one who I think is good enough, While Per has brilliant passion and is not bad, he's way too slow to play your high line. Secondly, who is your fourth choice centre back? Why is your backup fullbacks your back up centre backs? Shocking stuff.

Midfeild. Time to cut it for Wilshere, if he's happy with rotational role, good on him. You need that midfeild enforcer. William Carvahlo would be good, Javi Martinez another.

Wing/AM. Why doesn't Pod get games? Direct and a rocket left foot, why have a player on 100 k a week on the bench constantly?

Forwards. While I like Olly Giroud, and think Welbeck isn't bad, they're simply not good enough.

Ins =
Cech
Stones
(Good backup fullbacks, Monreal isn't good enough and chambers isn't a full back)
William Carvahlo or Javi Martinez
Striker = hmm, while I like bony, he lacks mobility and pace, maybe lacazette, Cavani if you can get him cheap, I don't know? Who else is out there?

Thanks guys, just a little post stating what I think you guys should do.

Hope you're doing Well Dagenham and co

Oh and I forgot, get a new manager in! And spend some freaking money, Ancelotti or Klopp would be special!

10 Dec 2014 08:38:41
Morning Aron,

Bleeding cheek of these chavs, lol.

To be fair, your assessment is spot on.

Would take Cahill and Matic off you any day mate, they would make a huge difference to our team.

Lol :P.

And take Cahill if you want, we will take Sanchez, we need a good right winger :) and back off with matic!

Good luck for rest of the season

10 Dec 2014 13:52:35
You are having a bubble Aron lol.

Good luck to you too mate.

10 Dec 2014 06:33:02
Liverpool nearly beat Basle.

They ran out of Thyme.

{Ed001's Note - as if I wasn't in enough pain, you add this to it! Thanks Dags....}

I was well impressed with Basle to be honest, they have solid game plan and keep the ball pretty well. They may not have the star players but are a well oiled team by the
looks of it and will be no pushovers in next round that is for sure

10 Dec 2014 08:40:57
Ed001,

I would have been failing my comedic duties if I didn't post that one, lol.

{Ed001's Note - I am surprised you consider it comedic, I have never noticed you say anything funny yet =op still plenty of time for you to drop Ed025's joke book and move over to Ed003's marginally more funny pun notebook....}

My goodness dags, we've "herb" them all before!

10 Dec 2014 09:14:50
I think I might of herb that joke before

Too slow rick!

10 Dec 2014 10:55:36
Ouch ed, ouch :-)

10 Dec 2014 12:27:17
Some day Brendan's tactics were parsley to blame.

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09 Dec 2014 21:38:25
4-1

Considering the side we had out, an excellent result.

Just so frustrating how they can keep the ball so well tonight compared to Saturday.

Particular congrats to podolski, don't get Wenger, LP is an excellent player and always a threat

10 Dec 2014 01:38:10
Frustrating we didn't lose 4-1 eh Ban?

10 Dec 2014 06:28:00
You can't help moan about something, always a negative out of a positive. Yawn.

Sheeny you clearly don't pay attention.

That only applies to the PL

Please do better next time

10 Dec 2014 09:25:34
Sheeny,

Surely you've learnt by now that whatever Banbury says is not actually what he means. You also have to bear in mind he is the self proclaimed font of all footballing knowledge.

Stoner: Leeeeaaavvveee it mate!

I'ts xmas, and i've given him too much stick this month already mate :-)

10 Dec 2014 12:05:26
I know mate, he just makes me laugh with the stuff he comes out. ;-)

He's funnier than Dags, but I think he's actually serious!

{Ed025's Note - everyone is funnier dags though 337.. :)

10 Dec 2014 16:10:40
So you want us to win the champions league but come 7th in the Prem? Good on ya mate.

Heads up stoner ;)

10 Dec 2014 19:50:21
I'm getting a bad press here :-)

{Ed025's Note - thats what my shirt said.. :)

10 Dec 2014 21:05:53
Hope you iron out your problem Ed :-)

{Ed025's Note - you crease me sometimes dags..