Arsenal Banter Archive February 17 2019

 

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17 Feb 2019 22:49:16
Ed, do you think we will make changes to the back room staff eg Bouldie next season? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I honestly don't know - much will depend on the new DoF.}

18 Feb 2019 15:05:49
Hopefully the manager.

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18 Feb 2019 18:52:29
Thanks Ed - thought Emery would control that. Amazing how the roles evolved.

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17 Feb 2019 10:22:29
I didn’t want Wenger to go, but I’ve moved on.
I don’t think emery is good enough so I’ve said that.
I don’t like some players so I’ve pointed that out.
If we play bad I say, if we play good I’ll say.

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17 Feb 2019 12:13:25
I wanted Wenger to go and he did.
I was pleased with the appointment of Emery and feel he needs more time and funds.
I believe some players need to be moved on and others signed.
I support Arsenal whether they play well or poorly.

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17 Feb 2019 12:34:21
Supporting Arsenal is the one thing we should all have in common if absolutely nothing else.
We can argue debate disagree on anything and everything else but surely it's a prerequisite of being an Arsenal fan to want what's best for Arsenal football club rather than support any individual above the best interests of the club and team, be them manager player or of any other capacity at the club no one should be more important to any fan than the club/ team itself.

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17 Feb 2019 12:41:52
It took me a long long time to think it was right for Wenger to go - wish he’d left after the FA Cup on a high. I think it was the right thing all round.
I was surprised Emery was appointed but pleased having read up about him at the time.
He’s disappointed me since the first friendly and up until today. He just doesn’t do anything except not being Wenger. Eg we wanted someone to shout from the touch line - well he does that but with no impact at all.
I don’t like the board and their ambitions for the club
If we play bad I say, if we play good I’ll say. - I will support the club whatever but I have the right to question the poor running, management, coaching and expectation setting at our once great club. If we don’t - we slip into a very poor side with no return in a short period of time
No one should be happy with how we are performing but some may be more patient - just don’t lower your standards so Emery hits them.

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17 Feb 2019 14:38:06
That's the thing SY mate we kept lowering the bar so Arsene could still clear it, Liverpool and Spurs see 4th place as a springboard not a destination whilé United and Chelsea fans would accept 4th as a last resort it won't be considered a great season for them.
About 3 years ago and United fan came on this page and asked " what ever has happened to you all that you see 4th place as your limit now days "? The answer was of course Arsene part two happened to us.
The bar for us has to be set every inch as high as Spurs and Liverpool now or there was absolutely no point in replacing Arsene at all.
Spurs fans wouldn't accept Poch saying 4th place is all our limit accept it and be happy and niether would Liverpool fans accept it from Klopp so there is absolutely no reason Arsenal fans should see ourselves as not worthy of more than 4th place dreams too.

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17 Feb 2019 16:51:03
Win lose or draw I am arsenal, but the last few years it’s been hard. it’s not the arsenal I grew up with and I don’t think it’ll be back if it carry’s on like this.

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17 Feb 2019 17:11:39
It will be back, it's a matter of when not if.
Liverpool have never won a premier league title despite almost totally dominating English football shortly before the premier league began.
They've known struggles they've known glimmers of hope but it really is a matter of when not if for Liverpool to be crowned English champions for the first time and for Arsenal to be champions again.
In 2006 who would have thought of City would be top dogs and in the 90s it would have laughable to think of Chelsea ruling the roost.

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16 Feb 2019 22:48:47
Hi, is there a chance the reason ozil is not making the substitute bench that he has a large unused substitute fee in his contract? Having read recently about wengers refusal to play ox because of a clause in his contract stating we had to pay Southampton a certain amount per game (or something like that) , it wouldn't surprise me.

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17 Feb 2019 08:22:41
It's far more simple, Ozil simply doesn't suit the intensity of PL football.

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{Ed001's Note - and yet when played regularly he created the most chances in Europe while playing for Arsenal. He is dropped because he and Emery do not see eye-to-eye. It is a personality clash nothing else.}

17 Feb 2019 09:22:24
Ozil should be playing - simple

Emery can’t handle big players and we are worse for it - can’t do a lot of things but let’s stsy on the one thread.

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17 Feb 2019 09:36:54
As xhaka does suit it too well to be a regular starter and as Iwobi and micki creating more chances, this is the worst management decision is made.

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17 Feb 2019 09:45:43
Leaving big players out has to come with impressive results and performances where the manager is proven to know what he's doing.
It didn't work for Jose with Pogba and it hasn't worked for Emery with Mesut.
If we suddenly looked tighter at the back and in midfield without Ozil then who could argue with Emery?
But the fact is we concede just as many chances without Mesut as we do with but create a lot lot less.
It almost reminds me of Steve Maclaren and David Beckham situation with England between 2006/ 7.
You have to get the really big calls right or you end up looking out of your depth.

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17 Feb 2019 12:17:56
Yes, Ozil creates chances, but in order to win the Premier league players must have an all-round game and at Arsenal we have too few complete players. Iwobi, Ramsey, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, all lack quality when defending. This places immense pressure on the defence, which also contains the likes of Bellerin and Kolasinac that are not great defensively, but offer more offensively.

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{Ed001's Note - all-round game? Yaya Toure strolled around offering nothing for 85 minutes a game but City win the league. You need a balanced team, not 11 balanced players.}

17 Feb 2019 13:03:12
61 - what’s your point. Interested in your opinion and if the issue is Ozil or the other players. :)

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17 Feb 2019 13:58:34
SY4 - My point is that in the modern PL game, players are expected to perform both defensively and offensively, gone are the days when teams carried players who could only perform either defensively or offensively, particularly where the current 'pressing' trend is concerned. In recent seasons Wenger acquired too many players that were mainly attacking players. In his first decade at the club, we had players who contributed defensively and offensively, particularly in midfield. The players I mentioned offer little defensively, particularly Ozil, and hence the defence comes under increased pressure, with little assistance from the players I mentioned.
I think that is a bit of a harsh comment in respect of Yaya Toure, who admittedly did stroll around at the end of his career at City, but at his peak he could play as a DM and offered offensively. He scored a goal on average every 4 matches for Man City. He was closest I have seen to Patrick Vieira, both being what I call vertical midfield players, playing from back to front and not sideways, if that makes sense.

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{Ed001's Note - I give up, you are just a waste of time trying to discuss things with. Like Vieira my arse. What are you on?}

17 Feb 2019 15:05:11
The thing is there are more than one way to make a meal fit fur a King.
Conti won the title playing 3 at the back and converted Victor Mosses into a wing back, so others including Arsene thought ok I will do that with Ox
Then came Pep with his sweeper come keeper who was as good with his feet as his was with his hands, Dick come in and thought right Petr Cech needs to become Petr Hoddle.
Trying to copy what other people are doing brilliantly with a completely different set of players to what you have is a mugs game because it will take you 3 or 4 years to assemble to get the right ingredients together by which time others have already evolved and moved away from where you've Just arrived at.
Surely getting the best out of what you have is the secret to good management and if 4 4 2 or 4 5 1 gets the best out of your team them what's it matter what others are doing.
Ideals are fantastic but not to be pursued at all costs regardless of all sense.

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17 Feb 2019 17:30:37
That's the crux g62, dick has to work with what he's got or get smart buys. Copying pepwas never going to work, pep had the advantage of being able to get the absolute best players available for his system as money was no issue, I want a sweeper keeper, see you later England no1 and long time servant, you don't cut it, get bravo, he doesn't cut it get ederson the next year. I need fast full backs spend over 100 mil on 3 of them including more on a back up then we would spend on a first choice. I need fast wingers, I've got sterling and sane but I will our transfer record so mahrez can keep our bench warm! Emery not got that luxury if he gets rid of ozil will get anywhere near his quality as a replacement? He's got him, he's going to struggle to get rid of ozil, if you can find a way to get the best out of ozil he's magnificent! I was most hoping a new manager would find a way to get the best out of ozil lac and auba, one of the best chance creators and two of the best finishers yet sadly we've got to see them together too few times.

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17 Feb 2019 17:54:04
Absolutely Eden mate, why would you try and serve up a beef Wellington when you don't have prime cuts of beef or any pastry at your disposal but you do have some very nice mince beef and potatoes that have the potential to be an extremely tasty cottage pie.
If Poch had gone to Spurs and acted as if he'd just landed in Madrid or Barcelona then Spurs would still be playing Thursday night football.

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18 Feb 2019 01:21:57
It just bugs me when they keep mentioning what Emery’s lift with, we don’t have the worst individual set of players, in fact they are above average but not been set properly.
Arsene was slated every time he selected Xhaka, I don’t see anyone even mentioning it these days.
You have a player like ozil with his vision play him in front of Torreira and Gouendouzi and behind laca and auba. Use his talent instead of killing his motivation and hunger which I think Emery already did.

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{Ed0333's Note - I cant understand for the life of me why Ozil can’t get into the Arsenal team it’s a flipping mystery.

18 Feb 2019 08:40:04
I think most people expected our new manager to be different Moe and for Xhaka days to be numbered but we seem to have found another Arsene who sees what no one else sees in Xhaka, at the start of the season every other post was complaining about Xhaka being selected but most people now seem resigned to the fact Dick is going to play Xhaka come what may regardless of performance and he isn't going to play Lacasette Pea and Ozil together because he doesn't want to.
Darsene Wengemery isn't for turning any more now than he was before he regenerated from the previous Doctor.

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18 Feb 2019 09:42:55
It’s not like we are better without him, it’s not like we are creating more chances, it’s not like we are leaking less goals, it’s not like who’s on are better than him. it just doesn’t make sense.

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