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19 May 2018 10:00:38
According to David Ornstein the feeling within Arsenal amongst the staff is that Artetta is going to be our next manager but Ornstein himself says Allgeri is still very much in the running and is still very doable.

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20 Mar 2018 21:50:12
Out of interest if Southampton were to win the FA cup this season and avoid relegation should their fans consider they've had a good season?

By the same token if Arsenal were to win the europa league and finish 6th 13 points behind 4th place and 33 points behind the champions have we had a good season?

Interesting question because I think most saints Fans would say this season has been horrible fa cup or no fan cup but I think a lot of Arsenal fans would be prepared to forget about all the awful league performances and results and just relish in the winning of another trophy.

gunner62

1.) 21 Mar 2018 09:50:58
the objective of football is to win.

win a trophy at the end of a season is to me a successful season.

no one has the divine right to win anything, and I think fans are feeling too entitled these days. I love how everyone thinks its bants to say something funny but not take it when something is funny against you.

Arsenal fans having a meltdown on twitter and outside the emirates, like wenger has decided to ruin the club.

get allegri they shout or whoever else, yes I can understand the frustration, but trust me it does not turn around in a season, sometimes it takes a few years.

I was talking to a fan recently who said I want to enjoy the success Barcelona and marid have had, well we don't have either one of the key players those teams have, and you take away that key player from Madrid and Barcelona and xavi and iniesta or modric and kroos can pass all they want they will not get the result.

the landscape will change eventually until then while this season is not the way any of us hoped, i'm still optimistic, and I want to see it out, however bad it is, and any trophy for me seen with my own two eyes a real victory.


2.) 21 Mar 2018 10:37:33
So Larker mate, have you enjoyed this season? Has it been a good enjoyable season for you?
If not will it suddenly become one if we lift the europa league cup and if we don't will it be an awful season.
Will being out of top 4 contention despite still having 10 games to play and will it being mathematically impossible to win the title despite having those 10 games left not mater anymore if we lift the europa?
What about Burnley being our main competition with 10 games left rather than utd city and co?
Can a cup win really make all that disappear?
Will all suddenly be ok?

I agree the next manager will need time to get things back on track it's a really big job and as for becoming Barcelona or Real that's just silly talk but becoming competitive over 38 games again shouldn't be beyond a club like Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs have both made huge strides towards becoming competive again in the last couple of seasons why can't we?


3.) 21 Mar 2018 21:03:44
Regardless of any trophy, the league tells you if you are progressing or not. That is the yardstick not winning a cup, that is just a good day out.


4.) 22 Mar 2018 07:44:52
If we were to win the EL and finish 6th of course it's a successful season. Trophies are the target. Arsenal will always be FA Cup winners in 2017, 2015 and 2014 and if we win the EL, we will be winners of it in 2018. Will anyone in 5 years time ever take seriously the fact that the toot qualified for the CL? We will have won 4 trophies in 5 seasons, whilst other clubs such as the Toot and Liverpool won't have won any. Did we get a trophy for finishing 2nd to PL winners Leicester or does anyone really remember it? Last season Man U win the League Cup and the EL, I can't off the top of my head recall the position they finished in the League. Who finished second to Chelsea last season escapes me, but I know Man U win the EL.


5.) 22 Mar 2018 08:43:25
It's the league that accounts for the majority of games each season RG mate and its the league that dictates your standing and competiveness in the game.
Is it really ok for a club like Arsenal to be a cup team only?
If so then it wouldn't matter if we were relegated as long as we won the fa cup each year.
38 league games v 5 fa cup matches! Is that really enough to keep the fans waiting more?
Judging by the empty seats at the Emirates lately obviously not.
People want to see Arsenal being competitive both in head to head games and over 38 league games with the other big clubs.
The league table never lies but as Wigan and Portsmouth fans will tell you the fa cup often misleads.
Season tickets at Arsenal are extortionate prices and suddenly become more expensive still if we accept a 5 game season when we are in competitive mode.
I wonder how long Klopp Poch Mourinho Conti and Pep would last with 6th place and a cup each year and everyone in football in total agreement that Liverpool Spurs United Chelsea or City were in steady decline?
My guess is not to long fa cup or no fan cup.


6.) 22 Mar 2018 16:29:32
I get it gunner, i'm not blind, but I can't be asked to over react. I am going to give it one more year, there has been a push to make some statements, we have ozil, and aubameyang, I don't rate mikhitaryan, our defense and gk is woeful and that balance is just not there.

I do not see the need to keep wilshere, its guys like him we pine for on sentiments that keeps the club where it is.

Ramsey is another who has one good game every 10 and is injured most year, and i'm sure he will thrive in another setup be it man utd or Chelsea or wherever.

GK has to be a priority, a CB has to be another, another season of lacazette and aubameyang fighting it out should be good for the squad, welbeck stays purely for numbers.

Ive no idea what the club are going to do, if dembele is an option we should go for him.

Santi and per and cech and ospina have to head out the door.

we have done well to let go of giroud and sanchez and get something back in return.

if there is to be serious change I would give it another 2 years before we see ourselves competing again, right now we just don't have the depth or balance to pull of a consistent league standing.


7.) 22 Mar 2018 19:38:28
It would be interesting to ask Wigan fans and manager if they would swap winning the fa cup for non relegation that year. What was/ is most important, winning the fa cup and having a great day out, or being able to stay in the prem. Yes they have won the fa cup but they are now a championship also ran and out of the prem and all of its financial clout and kudos.

{Ed033's Note - i remember that a few people on here thought it would be a good idea for Arsenal to finish just outside the top 4 so Arsenal could win the Europa League.


8.) 23 Mar 2018 08:46:26
I think most of us who thought missing out on top 4 would be a good thing thought it would force change to happen so be taking a step back to take 10 forward but unfortunately we've taken a step back but change hasn't come so we've continued to go backwards.
This decline has been coming for years and we have as a club manager and fans refused to accept it, we've been lucky that United got it wrong when replacing Fergie meaning United freed up a champions league spot that had previously already been spoken for, we were lucky that in 2016 season all the big boys had a season off and Spurs bottled it on the last day at Newcastle to allow us to grab second place 14 points behind Leicester.
Now all the big boys are back up and running and all but Chelsea are stronger than at any point in the last 5 years our refusal to accept what was plain to see and act accordingly has caught up with us and been fully exposed for all to see.
Are we finally ready for change now? Not quite :-) we're still thinking about whether we need to change or not;-)
Do we blame Arsene the players for where we are now or the board or ourselves?
A combination of all 4 in my opinion because we were in David Camerons words pretty much all in this together, the vast majority of fans plates and board members were happy to carry on as always under Arsene.


 

 

22 Feb 2018 20:35:40
Surely not? Not even we can let this happen. 27 minutes gone and we are rocking like a 60s band.

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12 Feb 2018 22:14:57
At the current rate of exchange for pts per game finishing 4th place is going to take 76 to 77pts this season, for us that would mean taking 31pts from a 33 which of course is beyond reasonable possibility, but it's going to be a very interesting fight between Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea and even Utd to avoid finishing 5th this season.

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1.) 13 Feb 2018 02:34:33
We need to take points off City in 2 weeks, but thankfully one or both of Man U/ Chelsea will drop points. We need to take it one week at a time in the league and keep our eyes on the Europa league final. After last season I have stopped believing in miraculous 4th place charges in the last 10 weeks but winning the Europa and the league cup would still constitute a very successful season if we miss out on 4th. Our winter business has made me slightly hopeful, keep the faith mate.


 

 

12 Feb 2018 13:07:41
If there is any truth in reports that Enrique really does want to join a Premier League club next season and again If true that both Arsenal and Chelsea want his services which one would he choose?

If history is anything to go by he would have a far longer to build and deliver at Arssnal but less resources while at Chelsea his chances of short term success would be far greater long term magement at Chelsea usually consists of 2 full seasons if your lucky regardless of what you achieve in that period.

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1.) 12 Feb 2018 16:17:53
Ive read chelski and psg, so next. Lol. I think ancelotti will be our manager and he isn't my first choice but i'm desperate.


 

 

 

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18 May 2018 11:04:59
I think it's easy to forget we are looking for more of a coach than a manager who builds the team/ squad himself.
From what I've gathered the Sven men are going to be doing the spotting and chosing of players who to buy then give them to the coach to get the best out of, a bit like an England squad that's been picked for you and your job is simply have to get the best out of what your given.
Obviously this will be a big factor in who wants the job as any established manager might well be put off coming in and taking responsibility and flack for players they themselves didn't want to bring in.
Having said that it's something that has been done successfully abroad for years so it's just a case of seeing how it works for us but it obviously isn't something an established manager elsewhere would be in hurry to quit his current job where he has more of a say for in a hurry.

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1.) 18 May 2018 13:24:49
Gunner, i have no faith in this clubs owner at all. My company is american owned and all arsenal will think of is the business model. This owner is not bothered who manages the club as far as sporting ambition is concerned. It would not surprise me if he hasn't discussed, when he has drained all he can out of the premier league money pit and it has run its time, he puts us in the mls in the future. It not about success in sport, it is about success in business.


2.) 18 May 2018 13:26:02
I tell you what g62 your back in to the full blown optimist. Your even trying to sell Arteta ta ta ttta😂👍🏻.


3.) 18 May 2018 14:02:23
I'm getting more and more open to Artetta mate should it happen of course:-)
I'm not sure what say Allgeri Nanglesman and others have at there current clubs but it's a big gamble to swap what works for you currently and take a step into the unknown where your reputation is suddenly put in the hands of strangers so for that reason I can see why out field of choice is narrowed.
Maybe this first post Arsene appointment will have to take a chance on an unproven coach in order for the Sven men and the club to sell themselves to the wider football established football management world.
So far the Sven men have delivered Pea Miki and the young Greek CB which ain't to shabby at all so we've every reason to think we might see more like these 3 and less of Xhaka Mustafi and Iwobi type signings in future.
No guarantees in football but in truth we have very little to lose in trying something other than what hasn't gone so well for so long now.


4.) 18 May 2018 14:33:34
Well if it happens it happens. Would’ve nice to start a campaign with out the sharks circling.


5.) 18 May 2018 15:19:47
Everyone, whoever the boss is has to start with Clean sheet. Its how long the sheet is allowed on the bed that is the thing.


6.) 18 May 2018 15:41:18
Always expect a rookie to rubbish it first though steve. Again I’d get behind whoever but everyone will be waiting for it to go wrong.


7.) 18 May 2018 16:48:51
Yes sano, people will be waiting for it to go wrong, that's why it will be so hard for a rookie. We are on a slide down so people will not have 100% confidence in the unknown.


8.) 18 May 2018 17:20:28
Steve we have been on the slide for years but so were Liverpool and Spurs until Poch and Klopp came along and turned them around, " Artetta isn't a Klopp or Poch " I hear you cry, well neither were Klopp and Poch before someone gave them a chance to prove themselves.
I'm not saying Artetta should or shouldn't be the man we go but just for a moment imagine if the club listen to the fans and say " ok we won't have Artetta to keep you happy " but instead Everton or West ham give him a chance and he gets them into next season champions league, what would those same fans who now criticise the board for even considering him now say?
My guess is " the board has no vision to spot a good coach in the making and shouldn't be bullied by the fans ":-)
For some people the club simply can't do right for doing wrong no matter what they do.
The Sven men brought in 3 players who we all rate, who approved bringing in the Sven men? :-) .


9.) 18 May 2018 17:48:29
for me g62 its interesting that he hasn't even been linked to either of those clubs. especially everton, if he's such a catch for us everton, who have a similar connection as us to him should be fighting us for his signature and if he's good enough to take on the expectation here he should also be able to take on thier expectation, but i haven't seen him linked to either. i asked the same thing to ed25, as to what his opinion on everton getting him would be, but expect he's not been around to answer.


10.) 18 May 2018 18:02:11
Gunner we are in a bit of a slump, appointing Arteta won't inspire confidence for the fans. So straight away he will be at a disadvantage. His bank is nearer the overdraft than a person with an already good track record. This isn't me saying this, it just a fact. Trust in him will be brittle.


11.) 18 May 2018 18:14:25
Im wondering the same eden. Plus i would imagine his house is closer to liverpool than london.


12.) 18 May 2018 19:18:14
True lads but no one was keen on thier club employing Claudio Ranieri 3 summers back but I'm sure many United fans who were very excited about Jose taking over from LVG are now thinking what was the point.
Most manager appointments don't work out well which is why there are so many appointments and dismissals each and every season.
12 months ago were all city fans 100% happy with Pep? I'd say more than 50% had real doubts about him after his first season but now he's the best thing since sliced corn beef.


13.) 18 May 2018 20:12:37
But gunner, if pep had been pep pre Barcelona and bayern and at citeh, he may have not been given the extra season. He had a bit of form to back him up.


14.) 18 May 2018 22:23:25
Your right Steve that's why as long as the thrashings at Anfield the bridge city united stop then the new man needs 2 seasons to be judged fairly, i'd say top 4 or extremely close within two seasons dwarves a third season.


15.) 18 May 2018 23:46:14
Gunner pep basically ripped the squad up and started again. Younger faster players. If we hand arteta 500million it's a good start.


 

 

17 May 2018 08:25:04
Let's be more open gang let's give change a chance before we declare our next manager whoever it is a failure.
I bet many Leicester fans were saying Ranieri? Surely not! 3 summers back, I know Gary Lineker tweeted " Ranieri, Really! " the day he was appointed.
We have had so many disappointing summers the last few years and gone into so many seasons with so many glaringly obvious weaknesses that any hope of being competitive has been non existent without the aid of special glasses.
We have hope again and for me that's a reason to be excited about next season more than any other season for a very long time.
Give change a chance because we realy don't have anything to lose and the possibility of things be different for the first time in more years than I care to remember.
Groundhog is over and the future once again is full of possibility, maybe it will all go horribly and we will be relegated or maybe it will all go amazingly well beyond our dreams and we will be checking city united liverpool results each week again because they actually effect us again and we are once again involved:-)
NOBODY KNOWS what next season holds for us and that's cool in my book.

gunner62

1.) 17 May 2018 13:19:59
Absolutely spot on 62.


2.) 17 May 2018 13:36:46
Weird one with ranieri. Was gone quickly after the title. It was a massive freak that season how much was down to him I don't know tbh.


3.) 17 May 2018 14:05:23
I'd take a season like that from Artetta Rogers or anyone else Derby mate and how much was or wasn't down to them would matter to me as much as what colour pants they were wearing on the day we clinched the title mate :-)
If I won a lotto jackpot I'm not particularly fused what machine or set of balls they used just give me the prize money.


 

 

13 May 2018 16:58:11
Take that Tamworth of the National league North your in a league all of your own now as the only team not to get a single away point in 2018.

Not quite of the same standard as snatching the title at Anfield on the last day of the season but surely worthy of us inventing a trophy for it all the same:-)

gunner62

1.) 13 May 2018 18:09:13
Just let it go g62😁.


2.) 13 May 2018 18:27:39
You've got to admit Sanago once you accept it for what it is, it is shockingly funny though mate :-)


3.) 13 May 2018 19:12:30
Not my kind of funny g62.


4.) 13 May 2018 20:00:10
Each to thier own mate, personally I'm a big believer that sometimes you've got to be able to laugh at yourself and you're own mistakes to fully appreciate and enjoy the successes when they come.


5.) 13 May 2018 20:56:52
Love the info gunner.


6.) 13 May 2018 20:36:19
Yes I agree. It’s good to sometimes laugh, just sometimes though g62😘.


7.) 13 May 2018 22:34:42
Shall we set aside every other Tuesday between 2.30pm and 2.45pm as our laughter time then mate:-)


8.) 14 May 2018 00:51:34
Yes please.


 

 

12 May 2018 18:31:53
According to Davud Ornstein Allgeri and Artetta are the front runners at the moment but others are still being considered.
The club is in no hurry to make a quick decision they could easily come to regret just as fast.
I think the club are doing the right thing in taking thier time even if at an absoulute push it meant having to go into next season with an interim management system in place until the right candidate becomes available.
As for Artetta i would support him and give him the benefit of the doubt but the fact he was such a big part of and captain during our cosy club wilderness years would worry me about him a lot.
I know he's been working with Pep but many of the players he was so close to and cosy with at Arsenal are still at the club and it would be extremely difficult for him to come in and say " don't do as we did, do as I say ". I'm not sure he would command the respect needed to be able to install the discipline we so badly need if we are going to see change where it matters most, on the pitch.

gunner62

1.) 12 May 2018 19:43:45
Gunner, if arteta is a candidate, it can't be as a no1 but if he is that well thought of (and i'm not sure he is) then surely as a no2, we have to be getting the best of both worlds, behind an allegri, ancelloti or benitez. With a view that after a period of time, if successful, then step up to no1. If he/ they are not, then, Next!


2.) 12 May 2018 20:20:17
Like I say Steve if it came to it I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but I'd be disappointed to say the least.
I want as much distance as we can get from the cosy club mentality and the future as is possible to get.
But I'm sure the club is aware that the fans and the media will want to see a virtually instant upturn in passion effort and displine displayed by the players as of next season and any signs of lack of passion will be poorly received the fans and heavily analysed by the pundits.
I'm sure not many people expect instant success but it will be all eyes on the effort put in from day one.


3.) 12 May 2018 22:14:30
if allegri comes, it means arsenal have ambition. There is no way allegri would come to arsenal unless they promise him a huge transfer kitty.

If a younger manager comes in, i have a feeling that means kroenke is not willing to splash the cash. I might be wrong but there is a bigger chance of arteta or viera accepting a reduced transfer budget than say allegri or enrique. Interesting times.


4.) 12 May 2018 22:43:44
both guardiola and pochettino rate him highly. I have a gut feeling that one day he will make a great coach but of course there is little evidence to support that because he has never coached. If he becomes a coach i suspect xabi alonso will be his assistant as they have been childhood friends and both have been inspired by guardiola.


5.) 13 May 2018 00:23:19
Arteta would be one of the biggest disappointments to me, of anyone, if he was entrusted with replacing wenger. For me it would show where the owners and board see this club. Not in the elite band. I would bw worried for our future. What draw for players would he be? Not for me at all.


6.) 13 May 2018 06:09:51
Steve, He hasn’t even been announced and we have stared criticising him. When Arsene came here the press invited him with a tag line of Arsene-who. Whoever will be announced as a manager, we should back him up completely.


7.) 13 May 2018 10:08:51
Sen, i am not criticising, i am stating. I don't want arteta and we got lucky with wenger and his ideas. We don't need to rely on luck again. My opinion and it is my opinion, with all that is available, why should we pick arteta, who wasnt even a club great and was very underwhelming for us as a player. Arsenal fc in the prem and europe is a very different animal to Afc 22 years ago. I don't want arteta.

{Ed025's Note - its too early for mikel imo steve, being a No2 is a different ball game to being the gaffer, i remember when colin harvey took over from kendall at everton and we were all happy with his appointment but he never quite made the transition, i say let him take on a lesser club and earn his spurs and then take a look at him for both parties sake..


8.) 13 May 2018 11:47:48
Agree Ed, i worry that this club is worrying more about money than success, if they take on the cheap option, with arteta. If he was that good anyway (which i don't see) why did we let him go to citeh. I agree no2 but that's it.

{Ed025's Note - very much so steve..


9.) 13 May 2018 13:23:31
Arteta's biggest problem seems to be that people are against his appointment even before he has gotten started!

Unless he hits the ground running i think he will be in for a tough time.


 

 

07 May 2018 08:41:14
Congratulations to Neil Warnock on breaking the most promotions record with Cardiff yesterday, his sides are not easy on the eye and when it comes to the premier league Neil looks to be out of his depth but when it comes to getting a team promoted he is definitely top dog without needing a kings ransom to do it either.
Horses for courses, if you want promotion Neil's the boy, if it's premier league survival your after look no further than Tony pulis and if you want to win the premier league it's self, who ya going to call? ;-)

gunner62

1.) 07 May 2018 08:50:20
batman - he’s loaded and a super hero.


2.) 07 May 2018 08:58:10
Sorry to disagree but wouldn’t congratulate that bloke no matter what he did, the football anti christ just loves to get his players to kick lumps out of better sides.

Pep Guardiola, Antonio Conte or Claudio Raneiri I guess. 😉.


3.) 07 May 2018 08:59:43
And if memory serves me right from Gotham City not Germany:-)


4.) 07 May 2018 10:39:11
I think we need an experienced manager who will use youth mixed with experience, bite with skill, pressing with composure and pace with a level headed approach - let’s not throw Vieira into a Moyes situation. Let’s get Ancelotti to get us to where we are and let Vieira get some more experience - then bring in the beast and hopefully the best!


5.) 07 May 2018 09:54:04
Entertaining and kicks ass - surely sky bet will have him as favourite soon.


6.) 07 May 2018 12:48:32
Like him or loathe him, he is a manager who squeezes every drop out of a team. Never spent or had loadsa money but had succuss at his level on a consistant basis. 8 promotions is pretty good, is it four to the prem?


7.) 07 May 2018 16:11:45
Big Sam us the man to keep you up.


 

 

 

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24 May 2018 15:33:06
Perez has had less chance than Xhaka Iwobi and Mustafi so if they all get a chance why doesn't he?

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23 May 2018 08:19:15
Get behind Emery too Punani mate, the man's done nothing wrong.
I know you really wanted Tuchel or Nanglesman but it's not Emery fault that the club didn't get either of your two favourites.
It's a bit like hoping for steak and chips for tea and coming home to find you've got egg and bacon, don't throw your dinner straight in the bin without even trying and go hungry just because it's not exactly what you hoped for :-)
Give it a go mate you might even find you like bacon and eggs after all :-)

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22 May 2018 15:27:01
Punani just accept we didn't get Tuchel or Nanglesman as you hoped but don't let your disappointment cloud you opinion of who we did get.
Be open to being wrong about him until he actually gives you reason to doubt him in his Arsenal career.

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22 May 2018 15:22:22
Heavily reported by who Punani mate? The same people who told us Artetta was our next manager? If Artetta benzema and higuain were all total fabrication, why believe any of the bad stuff that is highly likely to be total rubbish as well.

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20 May 2018 17:12:34
But we are possibly bringing back Artetta, one out one in ;-)
And even if Artetta doesn't happen we still have Mertesacker flying the cosy Flagg:-)

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24 May 2018 15:30:48
Dilly Dilly Stoner mate, Dilly Dilly.

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24 May 2018 13:05:41
Arsene also warned him that if he was to want to study United prior to playing them not to waste his time watching lots and lots of videos of their games because if you've seen one you've seen them all :-)
He also advised him if was going to put himself through that discomfort watching in bed was the best place to do it :-)

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24 May 2018 11:29:58
Raver I can see where your coming from mate, get in now before normal service is resumed and I can't fault your plan.
When Emery was announced your heart must have sank as just for a moment a mere wrinkle in time you had the hope of us appointmenting Artetta and with that would have come the possibility of you remaining on the sunny side of the street, but now! You realise your time to fall gracefully back into the shadows is once again about to come, don't be sad my friend at least you had two seasons of sunshine on your face and that's not to be scoffed at when your a spud mate.

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24 May 2018 10:26:01
I think we also have to be open to giving a second chance to those players Emery decides to keep even though most of us wouldn't be unhappy to see leave.
Players like Xhaka Iwobi Mustafi could in my opinion leave without even being replaced with new signings and we'd still be a better team without them in it but under Emery maybe some or even all 3 of those players will make me think differently about them this time next year.

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24 May 2018 08:08:24
It must be difficult for you 12 mate, under Fergie you were THE team to beat every season that no one could move as the dominant force of English football where as now it seems no one can make you credible.
3 managers and so many millions later and you are still the team no one wants to watch and everyone likes to laugh at.
Liverpool are in the champions league final, Spurs are moving into thier new stadium, City are the new dominant force of the premier league Chelsea as everyone knows will be back in contention next season and now even Arsenal are changing but for United? There seems absolutely no way forward, more managers more money I'm sure will come and go but entertainment and competitiveness remain strangers at the theatre of memories.

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