Arsenal Banter Archive March 23 2014

23 Mar 2014 23:42:17
Jenny,

I'm slightly confused by your post earlier.

Arsenal supporters are men and women.

Your post's are always knowledgable, well written and well thought out and a pleasure to read.

Why hide the fact (initially), that you are a woman?

I think the point she was making is it can be quite daunting joining a site that let's be honest is in the vast majority male based. Back in the day when Jenny found the site the banter could be very harsh and no doubt put a lot of people off from posting. I have know doubt any sexist posts wouldn't of gotten through due to the ed's thankfully
Now the site is a more excepting place on the whole, and I hope anyone who wants to join does, because we're all GOONERS who love the club.
Not wanting to make a comment deemed to be sexist, but there is nothing sexier then a woman who supports the Arsenal and loves a bit of banter, and let's me wear their clothes.
Flybo

I totally understand Jenny's initial reluctance reveal she was a woman as flybo rightly points out some people wouldn't have taken her seriously, but that was then and now?
I am sure I speak for the vast majority on here she is a very valued poster whose posts are knowledgeable interesting and quite often very witty.
For me she is one of many who make this site so good to be part of, even if she came out now as being French we would forgive her, there's no higher praise than that :-)
Keep posting Terri Taylor you have made a lot of friends on here and we really do value your opinions and friendship very much

23 Mar 2014 22:05:44
Watched the Barca vs madrid game, yes a lot of play acting, the usual suspects and the normal crap.

i also saw how ronaldo looked like houdini for large periods, while the midget just ran amok.

how is it possible that one player can rise to the occasion time and time again, his penalties were sublime, his touch was sublime, his assist to iniesta was sublime. i'm sorry if everyone thinks Ronaldo and Suarez are in that category. they are not breathing his air.

Neymar on the other hand is also doing a houdini, and he would be perfect in our system. i'm aware they won't sell him, but he is not going to be the man there.

we need to get those calibre players. Draxler, Gundogan, Kroos, Muller, Valdez, Sanchez, Pedro just off the top of my head. teams needs infusion, and if FFP hold out, perhaps we can add some talent without city and psg just handpicking the cherries.

Absoloutly agree. We are blessed to have such great players to watch in our lifetime, but Messi is on another level from anything anyone has ever seen (apart from Henry)

Agreed on Messi, I'm not sure there has been a better ever tbh
Ronaldo wishes he was as good as Messi.
The only person I'd omit from your pickings would be Pedro, not for footballing reasons I just don't trust his face.
Would love Muller to come to Arsenal.

1404, do you think pedro could be a villain out of a zoro film? Looks a bit devious to me.

And muller is amazing, one of my favourite players in the world.

If I was wenger, I would sell everybody, and buy messi and build a team around him.

Damn our luck and the over rated giroud. while he misses sitters, the other guy barely misses.

i really do see the gulf in talent when I watch such teams and players on display. perhaps wenger needs to watch and realise how far we are in terms of competing with such teams.

23 Mar 2014 21:15:43
Hi Ed001 sorry to ask for yet another poll from you :-)
But is it possible to have poll across all pages on EPL player of the year where we can't vote for our own clubs players?
Not sure if its possible to regulate such a poll as I guess when we register its to the whole site and not just our own page so might be asking the impossible of you on this one, if so apologies in advance.

{Ed001's Note - it is probably impossible right now, but in the future we are going to give you more information to add on your profile, such as the team you support. That would be possible then, I would think. Good idea though. We were going to run one on all the sites, without the stipulation about it not being a player from your team, in the next month or two though anyway.}

Thanks Ed001
Seems I was premature again!
Wife's always going on about it

{Ed001's Note - yeah she did mention that the other day....}

Thats weird Ed loads of blokes have been mentioning it lately!
Strange

23 Mar 2014 19:02:22
We are missing lot of players due to injury but genuinely think Walcott is the biggest miss, he provides us the pace to break defences that we are lacking at the moment. Now on to Arteta, when ever he plays against big teams it seems like a red card waiting to happen . As far a Giroud goes nice bloke gives his 100% but it pains me to see him as a arsenal striker after seeing King Henry, RVP, even Chamackh would have been better than him if he had got the game time . Thanks

IN WENGER I STILL TRUST

Yes we are missing Walcott and Ramsey for sure as they are perhaps the only players we have that actually regulary look to run in behind. Walcott likes to play on the shoulder of the last man and with his pace this would force the opposing back 4 back and Ramsey unlike most of our other midfielders makes good penetrating runs off the ball. Yes he may not have the vision or technical touch of a Ozil or Cazorla but the runs he makes off the ball really causes the opposition more problems and makes us more effective as an attacking threat overall.

I have said this for a long time now our problem is one of balance in the midfield area we have too many players that are basically of the same type small technical players that like to come to the ball and not enough willing runners in behind, . Everything is in front of the opposition which makes it easier for the opposition.

Yes we can usually get away with against weaker sides but generally only because we basically tire them out through having constant possesion. Against the better teams we simply don't have the same domination of possesion so the tiring out factor does not come into play, our attacking play then become very ineffective like wading through mud.

We need more movement up front and more willing runners going behind the front man from midfield. We need a bit more physicality in midfield aswell the Chelses midfield were just too physically dominant over us yesterday.

Even though it was too little too late we actually improved by at least 40% Yesterday in 2nd half when Flamini came on our midfield actually started to match up better but it was too late by then and Chelsea could just soak it up and play deeper on the counter.

Arteta I am sorry is simply not good enough as DM and is not a starter, Flamini should start over him every time for me.

Stop trying to talk up false positives giroud is complete pony i'm shocked how low our striking options have gotten we're a shadow of the kings of highbury and need to accept it

23 Mar 2014 18:29:30
Peace & Love Guys & Jenny

Yesterday was another embarrassing and humiliating defeat BUT if we could just take the FA Cup and another top four finish this year (hopefully the last time in champs league spot as I want the title next year), then I'd still say that's progress, HUGE progress considering we had zilch return in trophy counts the past nine years plus we were challenging the other top 3 clubs for large parts of this season, how many years has it been since we were fighting for the title nevermind winning the EPL?

It's just a shame that we couldn't last the distance because I hear that no matter who wins the league when you factor in the team that has been on top the longest (rounds/weeks) over the course of the season, its Arsenal. Even if Chelsea remain top after every game in the final 8 games they still wouldn't be the team who was up there the longest but I know, I know they would ultimately land the trophy and at the end of the day trophies are handed at the end the season not not midway through. Still I am confident we will tally more points this season than we did last year and that would also be another improvement.

Downhearted but upbeat for the remaining games, hopefully two of those include two wembley trips with a trophy brought into the coach on the return journey
COYG

23 Mar 2014 17:31:54
The worst thing about the loss yesterday.

Mourinhio got another one over Wenger. I cannot stand the man. I used to think he was funny because of his eccentricity and that he was a fantastic coach. Now I see him as a despicable human being. He has no affection for any club he manages, and left Chelsea, Madrid and Inter in bad shape after he left. After he assaulted that Barcelona coach I lost all respect for him. No manager puts Wenger down as much as he does. Anyone else notice he vanished before the final whistle to avoid shaking Wengers hand?

Also, why did Wenger take responsibility for the loss. 5/6 goals were down to individual errors? His hands were tied with team selection due to injuries. The players were 100% at fault. At 2-0 it was still panic. Leaders on pitch such as Mertesacker and Arteta clearly went missing. On a side note, I think Arteta is useless and offers nothing to this team, Flamini should start over him every game. BTW did Koscielny go off Injured or was it a tactical change?

Got to concentrate on Swansea now. I will throw up if its a 0-0 draw and Wenger comes out sayong we needed to steady the ship etc. This is the business end of the season. 3 points is crucial to prevent us possibly losing top 4. We need to play Gnabry and Sanogo for pace imo. Flamini and Pod have to start aswell. i'd drop Szeszncy aswell.

Right now I would take 4th and FA cup and call that a success. Before people argue "Were arsenal we should be aiming for double etc, top 4 not good enough. " wake up. We aren't the same team we were 10 years ago. Stop being arrogent. Winning FA cup would be HUGE. Top 4 is an achievment considering we were bricking it we wouldn't even make top 6 in August.

We need to get the 8/9 year trophy drought behind us. Regain some winning mentality. Start afresh in summer and invest in a top ST and CDM. Add depth to RB, CB and ST. We also need PACE. I think Pisczeck, Gintner, Bender, Remy and Benzema is what we need to propell us back to the top.

Excellent post Detroit
Like you I used to enjoy Morinho first time round but he really is a horrible human being, although he is supposed to be a nice bloke away from football there is absolutely no excuse for the way he has and continues to treat Arsene, I really don't understand why people can not be respectful.
I would never want him near our club, a winner without question but also without dignity.
I still have high hopes of top 3 I know that sounds optimistic right now but there are a lot of games and shocks to come yet and I'm sort of banking on we might get some pleasant ones for a change:-)
Delusional or optimist? I've been called both and worse :-)

Detroit,

Absolutely agree.

I was saying the same to a friend as we watched it.

The man is loathsome!

He may be a good coach, but he is a vile man!

Anyone of calibre would, knowing they have got the 3 points, and especially as it was Wengers 1000th game, would have shaken his hand and said something like "It is just one game. Sometimes everyone has bad days. I am sure the next one will be good. And the majority will always be better than worse".

Or at least I would have said such in the same position.

Jose has no class, he never will.

I despise the man.

On the players front for me it would be.

Draxler, Ginter, Gonalons, Ballotelli and / or Lukaku, Piszchek and / or Aurier, Mangala, Lars Bender, Morata.

I must admit, I would love to have Joel Campbell back currently.

J

{Ed001's Note - to be fair, he is not really a vile man, everything he does is for show, for the cameras. Away from the cameras he is totally different. I know of players that have played against Chelsea that he has sat down with after the match and gone through the dossier he has on them with them. Explaining to them their weaknesses and strengths and helping them to improve their game. Some played for rival clubs, others played for lower league teams that they faced in cup competitions. None of them he needed to help, he just did it because they asked him for advice. He is not the guy you see on TV at all.}

G62.

For some reason I think we will get 3rd, maybe better.

Absolutely no idea why.

If we don't win it I would like anyone apart from Jose.

Shame, because Chelsea I don't hate, but that man just tarnishes them with his undignified behaviour.

J.

ED001.

Then I do not understand the reason for the absolutely undignified lack of respect for Wenger.

But then there are lost of things I do not understand.

I assist people and mentor and develop them, it has how I was brought up, and how I have developed as a person. And I may well not agree with some people I come into contact with and how they see differently to me, in all walks of life, but I am at least respectful and well mannered (or try to be).

But, it is good to hear that he has positive qualities and I accept your better knowledge of the man.

J.

{Ed001's Note - I think that it has become personal between the two.}

Ed001i hear what you are saying and away from the public eye I have heard some really good things about him.
One where someone stopped at a famous burger chain in Southampton and saw morinho in there and asked for his autograph, not only did he oblige he asked the lad if he wanted to share his table where they sat and talked about football and all for the next
45mins.
But his treatment of Arsene is inexcusable no matter how nice away from the game.when utd beat us 82 Fergie put aside the rivalry with Arsene and was humble.
100 games and I think Moriniho will come to regret his actions in years to come and be ashamed of him self

Detroit Gooner, it's a bit of a myth that Mourinho leaves teams in bad shape. Real Madrid are currently top of La Liga while Chelsea came 2nd in the league, made the CL and League Cup Final with AVRAM GRANT as manager!

Mourinho often leaves games before the end, it wasn't an insult directed at Wenger at all but if it makes you feel better to make him out to be a monster, fill your boots. I once heard he ate our academy kid's toes for breakfast and that's why our youth never come through: no balance ;)

23 Mar 2014 16:07:44
Seems to me we are missing a few pieces of the puzzle after yesterdays thumping.

Another flamini type player, to instruct and disrupt any opponent midfield play. something arteta doesn't do exactly well.

and time and again I've said it, a forward with genuine pace to prevent teams defending so highly against us, giving us more room to play football in the middle.

We lost yesterday against a high pressure high line defence, just like liverpool hit us with. Having Cazorla, Walcot, ramsey etc and a genuinly feared, pacy attacker playing off through balls from Ozil would gift us counterattacked goals against any team playing in such a way.

Currently arsenal seem to lack specific roles. Pass and move worked once but discipline reins supreme now. create a system and find players to benefit it. We lack distinct midfield anchors, we lack a pacey feared forward to me. the rest of the squad is workable imo.

Gav I think we need 2 cb as cover/rotation a top top quality holding mf player and a world class or close to striker.
Plus sort out the injury situation and what ever it is that keeps players out so long, with that we will be more than ready for next season

Another Flamini player? Maybe Wenger could start by playing the Flamini we have already got in big games before we get a player sent off! And play Podolski up front as I think he could do a good job for us and drop this punt it up to Giroud style we seem to have adopted this season!

23 Mar 2014 13:53:36
Banbury, sorry mate I have to disagree with you.

If you look at the bald trophy stats you are right but the important thing is that when this trophy drought started we were at Highbury. Ok it was a wonderful stadium but it was not fit for the needs of a 21st century club and it wasn't a case of if we had to move, we simply had no choice other than to move.

We did that by taking on huge debts and I can remember the board pointing out how important this move was to us and that they expected there to be 10 years of austerity.

This whole project was driven by Arsene's desire to do the same as Herbert Chapman and make this the best club in the world. He knew it was going to be extremely difficult to do what was the only way forward for the club and to win trophies so he put himself 2nd and looked after the future of the club.

I don't see any other club (apart from Barca to a degree) or manager willing to take on this kind of venture without sugar daddy funding? Maybe because they know how difficult it is to spend on core infrastructure rather than the team and still stay in the top 4 and meet FFP.

What no one expected was the sugar daddy arrivals to the scene and the impact their bottomless pits of money would have.

This has made it much harder to compete than anyone could have possibly imagined so the other side of your coin is-

1-consistent top 4 and champions league money paying off the debt a couple of years more quickly than was originally expected.

2-the best stadium in the country bar none which will now begin to generate more funds than any other (and ok on that one ticket prices are too high but it's supply and demand - if no one wanted them then the prices would be much lower but the demand for tickets shows that we're doing an awful lot right!)

3- no serious debt, no reliance on one person like Chelsea (If I was a chav I would be bricking it right now in case the USA and UN extend the sanctions and include Roman because if they do he will lose all access to all of his UK assets and that includes homes and business of which Chelsea are one).

4-Added to that a few weeks ago UEFA announced they are investigating 137 clubs FFP rules and these include Man City and Chelsea. If they are found guilty then they are out of Europe until they put their house in order.

In summary, Wenger has done a brilliant job keeping us up there during 8 years of famine but now he is about to be able to reap what he sowed. He will have the cash the others have had pumped into them over recent years to compete for signings. The years of plenty are coming and the hard work and sacrifice made to get us to this position will make the success that we will achieve even more satisfying

One final point - Mourinho could not have delivered what Wenger has, he would have run away as soon as the cash got tight, Ferguson couldn't have done it- look at the mess he left for Moyes!

Maybe there are other manager who MIGHT have been able to get us through the last 8 years and out of the austerity earlier than planed but Wenger actually did it and he deserves credit for what will 20 years from now been seen as the most important managership in the history of the club.

I'm not looking at the past, it's gone, it's history we can't change it. I look to the future because that's where we are heading and we can change that and we are in a place as a club to be serious contenders for many trophies over many years.

Like many on here I am ATID so I will take 8 years of pain to benefit the club now and into my son's future. Some people don't know what they've got till it's gone and I know we will miss Arsene log after he finally leaves.

Before anyone accuses me, I am not an AKB - I am a Gooner and I want what's best for the club and right now I think Arsene deserves repayment for the loyalty he has shown riches he has generated to take us back to the top.

If we aren't winning trophies again consistently within the next few years my thoughts will probably change.

Hopefully we will make the 2014 FA Cup the first of many trophies.

Not sure who you are but great post and you should be proud to put your name on it

That is a very good post, I can't see who it is from though.

You are entitled to your opinion.

1) yes great stadium, looks a bit stupid though with the years we won trophies being highlighted, they clearly did that thinking the cup haul would continue. As I posted earlier it is no good having this great stadium with a side that is to be know as 'also rans'

2) FFP I have read all about that and 1 in 3 sides competing in both the CL and Europa cup are breaking the rules, do really think they will all be kicked out, Real Madrid/ Barca included. not a chance.

3) I agree Arsene has done very well on limited resources, but that has passed, we faffed around in both transfer windows with plenty of money to spare. Arsene needs to forget about balancing the books, he is a FOOTBALL MANAGER, not an Accountant.

4) You say a few years but how long is a few? 1, 2, 3 or perhaps 6 or 7 .

I take all your points and you made them well.

Totally agree g62, good points

Returning the hi to G62 from a post earlier.

Not been around for a while but back now G62.

My 2 pennies on the silliness of late.

I pity those that have no calibre, as manners costs nothing, but seem too expensive for some.

We all unite under a single mantra, which is the love of our club, Arsenal.

For this reason we are a family. And like all families, not ever individual Ly thinks, lives, behaves or even communicates in the same way.

But, we all want what is best for our club, or I believe we all do.

So, I am offering love and a hug to all my family members.

I have a special "BIG LOVE" for Flyboy, the family member who always brings a good comedic slight to anything!

I look forward to more of the banter, more of the comraderie, the shared joy and shared sorrow that we consistently outdoor with each other.

And a special mention to those neighbours who live next door and who are like and extension this family, those Liverpool fans who post on this page.

We are all individuals, we all think differently, but whomever we are we should all act with dignity, with respect and calibre and show that anyone and everyone can be someone of character and of class.

So who wants loving first? (G62, DG, Akie, Jenny T, Flybo [you know you want it!], Bagging, Welsh, and anyone else)

JinKent

Banbury, G62, Baggins, my apologies the OP was mine(in case log fails again LOL, I'm Soopergooner lol)

Thanks for the respect in your comments as I felt Banbury's original post deserved the same respect as he set it out quite well and didn't seek to abuse anyone. It's only our opinions and mine not righter or better than anyone elses. Banbury is right in that we all have a right to an opinion. I reckon me and Banbury could easily share a bevvy and discuss things because we both share the belief that (as someone once said) we may not agree with what eachother says but we would always defend their right to say it

I take Banbury's point - I've always wished they had used that wall for more advertising as the trophy dates drew the attention of the press to the length of the period of famine - and that's all sensationalist numpties like Adrian Durham need to get them started. The additional income would have paid the debts off that little bit quicker too lol.

On FFP, there are a range of sanctions available to UEFA and they are linked to the level of reach. UEFA have got themselves into a difficult position as they will simply have no choice other than to ban any team that breaches the rules by the extent required for a ban because failure to do that would leave them wide open to litigation and compensation to the next team down who complied and should have got the place.

The thing that might get UEFA off the hook is smart accountants turning "breach"s into "compliant enough."

Hope this all made sense as the one thing that binds us is a shared desire for Arsenal FC to be the very best it possibly can be. It'd be boring if we agreed on everything lol (Mind you Durham would be out of a job so there would be an upside! LOL)

Finally lol in case I've messed up the log in.

Soopergooner

JinKent
I've got a 20% voucher off a nights stay in a Travel Inn, including all you can eat! And it's a free breakfast too. Let's make it happen. ;)
Flybo

Jin I say this calls for a group hug around the fattest mum we have between us

Flybo,

Is it definitely breakfast thrown in? Will they deliver to us in bed? Could be the clincher!

And an all you can eat buffet?
Mmmm, food and naked bodies. What more could one want?

And for you, I would forego the 20% discount!

LOL

J

G62.

Count me in on that!

Bagsy not at the bottom end of the Fattest Lady group hug!

:D

J

Sooper great posts both mate, very well put the pair.

Just a quick note: Chelsea are compliant with FFP so none of us over here are 'bricking' anything. We are doing very well on our own feet but thank you for the concern :p

With regards to the sugar daddy point, had Chelsea and Manchester City not received that outside help, would that mean Arsenal would have more titles? You haven't finished above Manchester United since the 2004/2005 season so its pretty much academic from that point of view. Blaming us is really just an excuse for not winning. It's a convenient albeit incorrect target to point your collective fingers at.

You really need to look closer to home. Arsenal just do not have the players or the tactics at the moment to compete in the big games. Playing a high line with your defenders against the pace of our counterattack was just suicidal.

Anyway, good luck in the FA Cup and sorry if my post is a little soon after that game :)

StamfordLion.

I don't disagree with some of your comments.

Although if the sugar daddy element had not existed for yourselves or Man City then maybe some players at City would not be there, and some players at Chelsea might not be there.

Changes in personal may well have had an effect on our position in the league.

We were after Lukaku and Hazard if you remember, and we also had Nasri and were trying to get Mata when he went to Chelsea.

So things can change.

But you were better than us yesterday. Oxlade Chamberlain, made it easier than one should have.

And yes, you are close to FFP compliance.

But if you buy Costa and Falcao / Cavani then you may well slip outside of FFP by some margin.

But, let's be honest, it is good for things to be this close at this point of the season. Four teams in it and nobody knowing which way it is going to go.

Roll on the next 8 / 9 games.

J.

Stamford I think you make some very valid points mate and no its not to soon for me mate, what's done is done and your post is very respectful, thank you.
Out of interest what's your view on Morinho not shaking Arsene's hand?
If it will cause you grief on your site please don't answer, but if its ok do you think he should have shown some dignity and respect

23 Mar 2014 13:02:52
I think people need to relax a little bit. Let's judge our season at the end of the season. If we win the FA Cup and get CL qualification again, for me, that's a fantastic season.

It's almost like people seem to have forgotten about the FA Cup.

I am sorry Macc, but this really is the problem.

A fantastic season if we win the F A Cup and finish 4th? Really, for Newcastle Utd maybe, but not for Arsenal.

I suppose finishing 3rd would be out of this world and being runners up. wow what an achievement, not from being double double winners and having a side that went all season unbeaten.

That shows absolutely no signs of improvement .

Bang on Macc set backs come and thank fully go but we are very lucky to be THE Arsenal fans and the good by far always out shines the bad

23 Mar 2014 12:35:05
Per - We won’t let that happen again

That was after the Liverpool defeat, it clearly didn't hurt that much then did it .

The problem with Arsenal is that there is always too much talk before and after matches. All we do is talk but do not show up (in big matches).

23 Mar 2014 12:18:39
Q Why doesn't this site update more frequently, why such a huge delay?

{Ed001's Note - because it depends on editors, and if there are none about, it won't be getting updated. Sunday, for instance, is the one day I have a lie in, so don't do any editing in the morning.}

Valid

Not sure how you could sleep after yesterday though lol

Ed001
You do a fantastic job and along with all the Eds you are really appreciated for what you all do for us.

{Ed001's Note - thank you g62, it is rewarding and frustrating in equal measure it must be said. I dread editing any site after a defeat, they turn into bitch fests, not just about the team, but between the people on it bitching at each other. Everyone is in a bad mood and just look to take it out on everyone else. In answer to Banbury's question, on days like this, it is hard work just dragging yourself out of bed to face it!}

Ed001 I have lost count of the polls you personally have put up that I have asked for and have always been really positive in response to them.
It has got very hostile on here lately and for my part in that I apologize to you and all other posters who have had to edit/read.
I have allowed myself to respond to stuff I should have ignored and so took a week away from the site to sort my my self out.
Hence my plea at the top of the page for us all to be a little more respectful and restrained in future.

{Ed001's Note - not your fault mate, it is only natural. When our team loses, no matter who we support, it affects us. That is why we are all on here in the first place, because we care. Just remember, no matter how bad it gets there are always worse things that can happen. Wolves, for instance, though this season is totally different for them. Then there are the Portsmouth and Rangers of this world. These kind of bitchy times are short lived. Even if things continue to go bad, people have a way of finding humour in it. Just one thing I would say is, be glad Wenger didn't leave last summer and appoint Moyes as his successor!}

Very good point Ed, or nice but Tim or? Let's face it things ain't so bad after all :-)

23 Mar 2014 11:15:56
And on yet another note, we really have to be thankful that Man U have been so poor otherwise we would not be in a position to finish in the top 4.

23 Mar 2014 09:38:08
Just to address a few debates

Sanogo, was he really touted as a world beater? if so why didn't the REAL big boys snap him up, I think people are trying to defend Arsene, if Sanogo was good enough to start against Bayern with Giroud and Podolski on the bench why hasn't he started since. Someone give me a genuine reason, my thinking is AW was punishing Giroud .

It has also been said Flamini has changed our season? How? we are no more solid, if we concede 3 more goals it is as many as last season, where is the improvement? So what has Flamini given us apart from a worse disciplinary record .

Are genuine Arsenal supporters just happy with the club to have a good bank balance? So you just keep paying the money to make the board richer and keep the trophy cabinet empty?

Do AFC fans realise if performances in the CL carry on being so poor there will be less places on offer and 4th place will just be a Europa league place.

If we aren't careful we will have a state of the art stadium with a very middle of the road side to play in, we have to go to the next level with the team, otherwise moving from Highbury would have been a waste of time .

Come on mate stop this Sanogo nonsense. The kid has a lot of potential and it's not his fault that we suddenly depend on him as our second striker. Wenger should have bought a striker, a world class striker in January. If there's anyone at fault it's Wenger. He decided to depend on Sanogo. So please get off his back, we are all frustrated, in ideal world Yanogo should have been loaned to a premier league club, we should have bought a striker that is capable to score goals and that's it.
Btw did you see Giroud's attempt from the half way, I actually laughed at that but thought it was still better choice than his attempts to dribble.

Lol

It isn't a dig at him, it is at us for bringing him to the club, I am sorry but potential was cesc at 16, not Sanogo, they are worlds apart.

Giroud has scored plenty of goals for Arsenal, you dig at him why?? Have you tried playing upfront on your own with very little support, take your own advice my friend, aim the dig at Wenger .

So because giroud came from the champions montpellier and sanogo from auxerre its sanogo's fault he's doing badly, but with olly' its cause he has no support?

and cesc' potential was obvious from the age of 14, when we got him from barca in the first place. if a kids a barca they have potential

you are so contradictory banbury haha.

i have no doubt that you bleed arsenal, but you do sound so negative on here!

23 Mar 2014 09:07:07
There hasn't been much defence for the performance,

There is nothing to defend.

The Ox gave the game away in 15 minutes flat, with assistance from Arteta, who is not a defensive midfielder, Giroud, who is not good enough.

Two sloppy passes from the Ox, two goals.

2 not tracking the runner, or just sitting in front of the back 4, by Arteta, 2 goals.

Giroud, nothing up front. He should not be playing whilst this situation with his wife avails. He should not be leading our line currently.

I would prefer the pace of Sanogo, or the directness of the Pod and change our playing style to suit the amendment up front.

Game over after 20 minutes.

Positive side, it is only 3 points.

The Ox should give his weeks salary away to the Arsenal Charity this year. He was that poor. He gave away two goals, he got as man sent off and gave them a penalty. All this, and I rate the kid. Just a really shyte day!

Flamini should always start games against teams with fast, effective midfield. This is where we lost the game.

We now need to bounce back on Tuesday, move forward, and play as we can against Man City at the weekend.

We cannot afford a weak midfield. We cannot afford a forward who does not move the central defenders about.

And on what I saw yesterday, Jenkintown, who at least has pride, should be starting at right back.

But, we do have the players to win these games.

Our season 8 (minimum) to 11 (hopefully) games long now.

Play for the shirt, for the club, but mostly US fans. We love you all but help us, make us proud, and do the right thing for our manager.

He deserved better.

J

Great post jin mate, really good to hear from you

23 Mar 2014 00:06:02
Didn't have the right tools for the job today. We lacked creativity (Ozil), pace (Theo) and an engine (Ramsey). What we had was three all rounders where we needed specialists. Remember what a different team we were when we had those players fit? And on that note- we have to get to the bottom of our continuing injury crisis. Can't remember a recent season that wasn't wrecked by injury.

22 Mar 2014 23:44:42
My view is wenger can't sign a new contract after the performances this season.

No Jack, no Ramsey, no Ozil no Theo. we are banged up mate, come on now, we will make some good signings in the off season and be a team to be reckoned with next year. I know you heard this before, but with the Puma deal and the stadium paid for. look out, this is what we have been waiting for. COYG. have faith!

It is not just about yesterday its about what we see every year same old excuses same old failings and I'm sorry I done believe that the players you mentioned would have made any difference. We stil would have the same goalkeeper errors the same lumbering striker the same lack of defensive protection the same lack of ideas and the same inability to compete at the highest level. The manager and players are falling short every where. All this stadium excuse is a ruse, we have and always had money so I don't go with the we have money now talk.

No excuses. to get hammered 6-0 by another big team.

no more chances, he has failed to prove his doubters wrong.

he is free to sign a mega contract with any big team of his choice. we are not asking him to resign. just walk away with dignity. Win the FA cup and walk.

Just how many times have we said the transfer season is when we will resolve all our problems? Do you honestly believe we will spend the required dosh because I don't. I am not a fair weather supporter but I am now convinced it is time for a major change, AW has been a wizard in the past, but that is the problem, in the past, we have NOT moved on. We never seem to have a plan B, the need for at least another striker has been ignored, and every team knows EXACTLY how we will play. I have the greatest respect for AW but I now DO believe a change is necessary. We are not now restricted re financial constraints but the money just sits in the bank while the team is humiliated again, 8-2, 6-3, 6-0 etc! We lost out on Hazard and Mata and Morata because they were identified as our needs but unlike other teams we always want them at a lower price. Why persue these players when we have no intention of paying the asking price, of course if we can get Changes MUST BE MADE.