Arsenal Banter Archive May 23 2014

23 May 2014 21:03:57
Eds how can a transfer fee and a medical be completed for luiz, when the window isn't open and he's not out of contract.

{Ed002's Note - Agreements can be reached at anytime but transfers cannot be processed before the transfer window opens.}

Thanx ed. A bit silly having a transfer window then if its just to do the paperwork.

Well, no, because the player can't play for that team until the paperwork is accepted in the transfer window

Well isn't it more so that they can't play for different teams between windows steve.r

Yeh sure guys, it was meant a bit tongue in cheek. My point is there is a window so use it.

Haha fair enough.

but we all know how long red tape and paper work can take, nevermind negotiations!

23 May 2014 20:53:09
Why do people want to bring back cesc into an area where when fit is by far our strongest area in depth and quality and probably with the acquisition of a top class enforcer, be the strongest in the prem. He brings us nothing that we don't have already, without upsetting the balance. When we need major Investment up front and in defence. What an absolute waste of good money on an area we are strong in, compramising investment elsewhere. I hope wenger isn't as sentimental as some of you. In fact i'm sure he isnt. I hope. Plus he's been that good this year he's getting booed by his own fans.

I would rather he played for us than against us.

The secret of success?
Strength in depth. Man City probably had as many injuries as us this year but still won League Cup and Prem League because if a player was out injured, they were replaced by somebody of equal quality.

Rather spend the 35/40 for him where we need it we are not light in midfield, we are light and need improving more up front and defence.
You can't buy players just to stop the opposition getting them especially if it compramises other areas that are needed more. I still think its just paper talk, putting 2&2 together.

Yeah I would still prefer a DM.
Would rather spend £12m on Schneiderlain than £35m on Cesc.

We can only be a stronger team with him at the end of the day. And while we are well stocked in that area, Rosicky, Flamini, and Arteta are pushing on and were never exactly world beaters.

I think 35 for Fab
35 for striker
20 for winger
10 for rb
(Simplification obviously)

we're not going to sign many more than four anyway and we're not going to buy an out and out CDM either

23 May 2014 19:25:18
3 words

Strength in depth

Bring cesc home

If we can and don't we will be a long time regretting it, how can you have to much quality?

23 May 2014 15:33:42
Can someone tell me did Bendtner get a medal for the FA cup?

He played 71mins against Coventry apparently. Does that qualify him for an honor?

Wojciech played Zero minutes and he got a medal

Ya but he was on the bench for the final.
final day subs all get medals

23 May 2014 14:17:39
I think bringing back Cesc would be a class acquisition. Think of Arteta but more mobile, quicker decision maker, better passer, and better tackler. Plus he has been playing alongside some of the best players in world football.

If Steve Bould moves into a management role elsewhere, I could see Arteta being AWs assistant.

If there's one player in our squad I would call management material, it would be Arteta.

Maybe with a look to becoming our manager once Wenger decides to call it time?

Gooner83

So, Fabregas as a holding mid?

If cesc does come back, it would be due to a myriad of reasons.

1) Possible interest in Ramsey from the likes of Barcelona, Madrid or bayern, which could mean another top year and he is off to the bidding wars.

2) We may actually be open to Selling Ozil

3) We may be selling the likes of Cazorla and Arteta which means we have space for Cesc, Ozil and even Ramsey and wilshere.

but buying cesc and keeping all the other midfielders just makes no sense.

Cesc could replace Arteta and Rosicky.

The way I see it, if you play 3 in the middle they can alternate between themselves. If 1 goes forward then 1 supports and the other sits. Between Cesc, Wilshere and Ramsey that would work. i'm not saying Cesc is a dm, but is wilshere?

Given our injuries in midfield last season we need all the quality we can get our hands on,

but in terms of priorities is he above a new rb / st / cdm, i'm undecided but would you be happy with him playing elsewhere in the premiership?

me defo not

74 I'm with you all the way, if we don't try to bring him home and utd get him we could be made to look very silly come next May

Gunner you can't have it both ways. We might look even sillier if we buy cesc for big bucks and compromise on defence and a badly needed top striker, because we did our money on cesc.

So Fabregas is the answer to our frailities.

Get real boys

23 May 2014 07:49:16
Hi eds,
if you are aware or informed, yould you once for all make clear, what clauses are in the fabregas contract?

it is truth, that if someone bid on him, we can outbid them with the same amount of money?
it is truth, that we get 50% of the potential transfer elswhere?
have arsenal some buyback clause?

thank you

{Ed002's Note - If any option still exists it will allow Arsenal to match any offer form another club which is deemed acceptable to Barcelona. It will then be up to the player to see what deal he can strike. But the reality is that if Arsenal wish to buy him, they will need to match the valuation that Barcelona put on him - and then to persuade the player to return.}

Would ~£50m still be the Barcelona asking price?

not just for Arsenal but other clubs too?
if no one pursues, would we get a cut price?

thank you ed, edds and eddies!

{Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the money.}

Willie Ballache was saying that the "first option"for Fabregas is no longer in place, so we would have to bid with the rest.

My understanding is that, yes Arsenal must be informed if Barca get an offer so that they can bid but any amount over the original transfer fee paid to Arsenal (i.e. the profit) will be shared with Arsenal and at something like a 60/40 split in Arsenal's favor.

23 May 2014 12:59:37
Q
With the Midfield we have without, selling anyone, do we need Cesc, could the money be spent elsewhere?

With both Wilshere and Ramsey suffering injuries this season which arguably cost us a better finishing position in the league, if we had Fabregas and was able to Rotate the 3 of them, using 2 plus buying a defensive midfielder to sit behind then I'd see the Fabregas return working and there's plenty of money so that shouldn't be an issue

There is always room for a World Class player regardless of position

I agree Banbury, where do we fit him in?

But we can't let him go to another EPL team.

Plus it's Fabregas he's an unbelievable talent, all that said we can't pay over the odds for some1 who left us before

The more class players we have, the better.

Look at Man City, they get an injury and replace him with another top player.

We need to be like that if we want to win the league.

23 May 2014 11:06:36
I think people are being pretty harsh on Sagna. You've got to remember AW's wage policy - he never offers reasonably lengthed contracts to over 30s. At Sagna's age, he's just interested in prolonging his career, and it's fair enough he wants to go somewhere they're going to give him a decent contract. He's been an absolute servant for us, and I'm so glad he finally won something after all these years.

On a completely unrelated note, any chance the Eds could do a poll on whether we want Fabregas back?

Undoubtedly he's been a servant for us. Be we offered 2 years plus an option for a third.

Man City aren't going to give him any longer than that.

He's unlikely to be 1st choice there, so he hasn't left for playing time (extension of career)

And we're a team on the up.

He went for 150k a week.
Straight money.
Simple as that

Sheeny 70k more than we offered.
I would shae sagna hand and say thank you
i would clap him on the pitch in a city shirt,
We are a great club, we should respect the players that have been loyal
Cesc/sagna
and boo
the rvp, cashley coles of the world

I'm not saying it's a lot of money, welsh. But its the sole reason he is going to them.

But at the end of the day how is Sagna/Cesc different to RVP/Cole

They all went for more or less the same thing.

And Cesc going because he's a Barca boy etc. does not exempt him.

All of them proved they're loyalty at the end of the day.

And it didn't lie with AFC

The latter were supposed arsenal fans?

23 May 2014 11:01:35
We've had books and TV shows. What about movies?

Cazorla - The Hobbit
Theo - Need for Speed
Mertesacker - Jurassic Park
Flamini - Fight Club
Bendtner - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Koscielny - Gladiator
Ox/Gibbs - Freaky Friday
Podolski - Das Boot

Mertesacker - The BFG!

Disappointed you missed that Channel

:P

BENTNER
broke back mountain
Lord wenger. Mr bean and his amazing coat
Diaby, the invisable man

I'm disappointed in myself Sheeny :(

I'm not saying it's a lot of money, welsh. But its the sole reason he is going to them.

But at the end of the day how is Sagna/Cesc different to RVP/Cole

They all went for more or less the same thing.

And Cesc going because he's a Barca boy etc. does not exempt him.

All of them proved they're loyalty at the end of the day.

And it didn't lie with AFC

Come to think of it did anyone say that for books?

We should all hand back our FA cup bragging rights. FOR SHAME

23 May 2014 08:36:28
I hope arsenal sign micah Richards I think he would fit right in

Yeah in the medical room :)

Why is there a seat for him in the physio room :p

Hahah. exactly

Well diaby has got sores on his arsenal, (lol I think that will sneak by the eds)
So we have room for somebody

23 May 2014 00:36:50
When it's all said and done and the window is closed (it's not even open yet and I'm talking like this) I hope Wenger doesn't come out and say something like 'The players just weren't there' or 'there was no one better than what we've got'.
Because even us Wollies on this site can think up 4 or 5 players, that are realistic and in the most available, in each position - so they're out there, go get a few.
££££££

23 May 2014 00:12:59
Only problem I have with Cesc coming home is, we will more than likely miss out on another position that we need to improve on more.
But if we get a Sagna replacement, a physical defensive midfielder, a tricky and pacey winger, a World class striker and Cesc then perfect.
As we all know, that isn't going to happen.

I have no idea why Manchester United would want cesc.

with Mata, Kagawa, and rooney to play the no 10 role, where would they play cesc? besides fellani?

having him play besides a DM is not his strong point, and if Manchester United wish to spend 50 mill to play him there good luck. its not like he can tackle either.

while I would love him at Arsenal, the only reason I would want him, is because our midfield is free roaming, so he can pop up as a no 10 or drop deep, or go out wide, Ozil and Caz and Ramsey do this alot, so its not like he would be in a certain position at Arsenal.

however, I have a feeling that he will end up at PSG. Barcelona have done deals with PSG, previously, they will want a player like cesc for their midfield, so the sale of Cavani is the only stumbling block.

if Liverpool decide to keep suarez and City aguero, this will be quite straightforward with cavani to madrid and then the buying begins with david luiz and cesc.

23 May 2014 00:09:06
In - Cesc and Bender
Out - Arteta and Flamini
Any complaints?

Would still keep Flam as a squaddie.

Im dissapointed you would take bender over bendtner.

2 good experienced players with leadership skills both leaving in one window? Yeah I have complaints

Saint - bringing back a past club captain should solve any leadership issues.