Arsenal Banter Archive March 25 2018

25 Mar 2018 16:37:54
Ed01 if your about mate. Not strictly arsenal related but i rarely go on other teams pages so haven’t seen any of your opinions on this. As you always give me a good explanation regarding managers it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Conte . I’d he a good coach? Is it the board at Chelsea causing him problems or to operate like he wants? Would he be a good fit at Arsenal should he become available or are we going more of a cutthroat operation like Chelsea of the last few years, or are we going to have a more cohesive democratic affair between coach and board? Thanks in advance SLB.

{Ed001's Note - he is a decent coach, but he struggles tactically. Once he comes up against the best coaches he gets found out as they figure out how to beat him but he has no idea how to adapt his tactical plan. Also he is very defensive and confrontational. He is one of those who could pick a fight in an empty room.

Another thing which has caused problems is his attitude towards senior players, who he asks to come to him when they want to discuss tactics or are unhappy with the way they play etc. However when David Luiz did complain to him about the constant changes at the back he got frozen out. While Conte has accepted Luiz was right, his treatment of the player is not conducive to building a team that wants to play for him.

So no, not a good fit for Arsenal. He would just constantly fight about not getting 300bn to spend on players in a window, rather than accept any of the poor performances were anything to do with him.}

25 Mar 2018 17:05:28
I was swinging towards him been a bit of hard work and at Chelsea he isn’t going to get away with it! I’ve heard that Chelsea drastically changed their outlook on how to operate as a business 4-5 years ago and Conte appears not to have realised this and thought it was the free spending Chelsea of years gone bye. Another quick question . If you were involved in the process of identifying a new head coach at Arsenal, out of the coaches possibly available and in the realistic grasp of our club. Who would you go with?

{Ed001's Note - good question. I would say Sarri, but, having taken some time to read up on him, I am not sure he would be a good choice in England. You can get away with the homophobic, racist and sexist comments he makes in Italy, here he would be crucified.

That leaves a straight choice, for me, between Jardim or Nagelsmann. If neither of those were possible I would look to Gasperini of Atalanta, who play some lovely football and he would no doubt love the bigger budget to play with.

Sadly all the good young English coaches are not getting a chance to step up to prove themselves and so be worth the risk. Instead clubs keep looking at flops like Clement, rather than taking a risk with Cowley or similar upcoming managers. They need the next step to be given a go with a club the size of Arsenal. Even Dyche really needs to move up a level, either with Burnley playing more expansively or a more ambitious team, such as an Everton, before they can be seen as ready. And no I would not consider Howe, his teams are shambolic defensively.}

25 Mar 2018 17:56:40
I guess people say Eddie Howe because like Wenger of late puts out teams that are shabby defensively and Bournemouth going forward on their day are good. Just like Arsenal at a smaller club with a smaller budget . The other comparison to Wenger is that Eddie is a lovely guy. In this day and age nice guys really do finish last. When you came to the deductions above was it a list of managers you rate or did you take into consideration the players at the club and who best to work with them?

{Ed001's Note - both mate. They are managers I felt would fit, as well as that I rate.}

25 Mar 2018 17:56:57
Personally I don't think we need to look for our next manager to necessarily be the one who makes us champions again, it would be nice if he did but if he can be the one that makes us competitive again where games against the big boys home and abroad are close run things won or lost by an odd goal either way it would be a huge step in the right direction and to build something for the manager after him to see home.
We must start by making ourselves tough to beat again and a club that anyone and everyone takes consistently seriously once more rather than a team who on occasion can be difficult to beat but as often as not fold easily.
It didn't all go wrong over 1 season and it's unlikely to all go right again in just 1 season either.

25 Mar 2018 18:11:33
I think the managers you have mentioned ed (bar the Italian one as I don’t know about him) are definatly some of the ones I would like to see. If someone said pick Arsenal’s next manager I would say klopp hands down. Out of the realistic options Jadim or Sarri . In reply to you g62 if I were arsenal I would always be looking for a manger to win us the trophy’s if he doesn’t do that he may improve us then we decide if that’s his limit and stick or twist. As bad as it is at the moment it doesn’t stop the fact that with the right appointments top to bottom and the size of our club the right ingredients will always bring success. The prem is unpredictable look at how city and Chelsea have spent in the last ten years and they both have had horror seasons and been off pace for periods but then it swings back. As long as we step into reality a bit more and know what it takes to win then we have a chance every season.

25 Mar 2018 18:24:48
Every arsenal manager should be able to challenge and ultimately win the league. First we need to improve but the person in charges needs to be able to win leagues.

25 Mar 2018 07:53:40
Reports that the club are in talks with Thomas Tuchel. I can't say he would be my first choice, but I can't say I know too much about him. Although a change is clearly necessary, not that Wenger has done particularly badly with 3 trophies over the last 4 seasons, which is more than the likes of Klopp and Pochettino.
Reports that we are after Jan are interesting. The odd one is that we seem open to selling Bellerin and replacing him with Darmian. I am not a huge fan of Bellerin as he lacks the defensive qualities needed to play at RB or RWB. CB-wise there is still a possibility of signing Evans at the end of the season and at £3m IThe would prove good value.
I fail to understand why we are being so difficult with Wilshere, who clearly wants to stay and is one of our best players.

25 Mar 2018 08:44:50
Just wondering who is reporting this story about Tuchel? Usual star metro etc or has champagne Charlie been eating cheese before bed again :-) take absolutely no notice of the press, on Thursday everyone kept telling me we were set for a month of freezing temperatures starting this week, my immediate response was to ask " is it the express or the daily mail saying it "? Turns out it's the express who started it but the Met office are predicting extremely mild weather for the time of year.
Fake news is everywhere now so in my experience if it's a football and neither this page or the bbc are saying anything chances are it ain't true.
On Jack are we so well off for good players we can be strong on this? Obviously the answer is no and although because of Jack's injury record it's a gamble but to some degree Jack has the upper hand in negotiations as we are so short on quality.

{Ed001's Note - it is the usual - Bild which is the German equivalent.}

25 Mar 2018 10:06:50
Fake news is everywhere so it’s not true unless the bbc say so 😂 you do make me chuckle g62.

25 Mar 2018 10:06:55
I understand people get desperate for news but to keep giving these fake news pedlars hits only encourages them to invent more rubbish to mislead us with.
Just don't use the usual suspects who are known for their lies and they will change their ways.
Starve the malicious dishonest sources and feed the ones that keep it honest to the best of thier ability.
Reward the good honest journalists with your time and simply ignore the usual predictably dishonest ones.

25 Mar 2018 10:52:43
I meant on football stories Sanago but good point mate :-)
I used to read all the stories but BenzHiguain gate cured me :-)
The only two places that didn't run those stories were this site and the good old beeb :-)
David Orms something or other on BBC main page seems to stay away from hit seeking gossip and usually only report on what is actually happening while the Eds on here only tell us what they actually know or give their opinion which they don't try and pass off as fact but clearly state they have no idea when they don't.
Personally I prefer no news to fake news.

25 Mar 2018 11:19:16
The bbc pedals plenty of fake football story’s and usually it is ripped from sources like the sun and mail. Don’t kid yourself into thinking that the bbc is any different from the other sources you mention. When signings are done and dusted then it’s easy to report facts as do all other media.

25 Mar 2018 12:26:06
The bbc gossip colum is just a round up the daily papers mate they are not saying it's fact just what others are saying. On the bbc report something on their main page and actually claim it to be happening it's 9/ 10 a real possibility where clubs and players are actively talking. The beeb never once said Benzema or Higuain were happening and they certainly didn't say either was having a medical with us :-) check it out between now and next season, sly and the papers v bbc and this page. There won't be as many stories but what you get will almost certainly be true regarding football.

25 Mar 2018 13:22:38
If tuchel to arsenal is true, it can be good news. I think i am the only one on this forum who was vouching for tuchel. He is a really good coach, technically the best available in my humble opinion. If bayern were after him, why wouldn't he be good enough for Arsenal? or are we suddenly bigger than bayern?

He uses positional play and is a tactics freak. Everyone on this forum has been screaming for Allegri and obviously allegri is a winner, he would massively improve Arsenal but he is not a revolutionary coach, Tuchel is. Sarri would be a better option than allegri in my opinion but he is 59! so can't be a long term option so that leaves us with allegri and tuchel and i'll personally pick tuchel. Let us not forget his BVB team never lost at home during his two years in charge and his dortumund team despite scoring bigger points than klopp's, lost out to bayern under guardiola. Any other season he would have the league. The following season he lost all his good players. Gundogan, hummels and mkhiyaryan. Any team would be hurt by that. So when we say tuchel hasn't won the league, you have to put it in context.

25 Mar 2018 17:06:14
Is there a manager we haven't been linked with. I doubt the tuchel one is any truer than the 1000 others because he fell out with everyone under the sun at dortmund and mislinat, i understand was one of those.

25 Mar 2018 19:22:20
Steve apparently the rumuour is from kicker who everyone on reddit says is reliable but wenger did an interview with Bein sports where he complained about ageism in coaching and he doesn't look like someone who wants to go so if arsenal wants a new coach the board would have to sack him which would be a shame really.

25 Mar 2018 20:10:37
PG the board will have to remove wenger, he won't go on his own, he is too up his own jacksy.

25 Mar 2018 20:12:24
PG he says he always wants what is best for the club. Not quite true arsene, you look after no1 and that's it.

25 Mar 2018 20:14:56
Punani I don't get all this obsession with a manager having to have won something to be a success in their career so far.
Alex Mcglish Roberto Matinez Roberto De Matteo are they really more credible because of a cup win than Poch and what he did at Southampton and has done so far at Spurs or what Sean Dyche has done with Burnley.
If every manager only got a chance on what they had previously won how could any manager anywhere of a non fashionable club ever get a chance to prove themselves at a higher level.
It's catch 22 if you are at a smaller club, there is only so much you can do to prove yourself at a higher level unless someone actually gives you a chance based on looking at the bigger picture of your managerial career apposed to the black and white text book thinking.
How ever did Arsene Jose and others ever get a chance in management in the first place with their less than illustrious playing careers?

25 Mar 2018 21:24:00
I couldn't have put it better gunner62.Imagine if barcelona never gave a chance to guardiola. You can't judge a coach based on what he has won. You always have to put it in perspective. For example you can't say sarri isn't a good coach because he has never anything because he is up against the financial muscle of juventus.

In germany most teams are run by guys who really know football. Klopp, tuchel and now domenico tedesco have all being given a chance by the same guy only because they impressed in interviews and things they did with youth teams. Tedesco only coached in bundlesiga 2 for only 11 matches and he was given the schalke job after that and it seems they made a good decision because they are second in the table now. You cannot judge a coach based on experience and trophies because they are many factors that may make a coach not to win a cup.

25 Mar 2018 21:25:47
Steve wenger's level of narcissism astonishes me.

25 Mar 2018 21:49:20
The first thing we need from our next manager is to make us competitive in every game we play win lose or draw the opposition need to know they've had to work hard for 90 minutes to beat us.

Secondly we need to get back in contention for top 4
Thirdly achieve top 4 again
Fourthly challenge for titles again
And last but not least win titles again.

Every journey starts with the first step so let's get on with it.