Arsenal Banter Archive November 29 2014

29 Nov 2014 21:30:25
DAGS

Santi for me.why?

He will always spend less time on the treatment table, simple as

29 Nov 2014 21:37:44
Agree Bambam

{Ed025's Note - i have to disagree guys, the one thing about jack is that when he is on the pitch he makes a difference, santi after a quality start to his arsenal career has become mr anonymous to me fellas, seems to have lost his vim and i will be very surprised if he is at the club next season..but thats just my opinion..

I totally agree Ed025, Santi ain't and too often shows he's not committed, to the cause.
A team of Jacks may finish 7th but a team of Carzola's relegated by Easter for my money

{Ed025's Note - its a shame G62, the guy has talent, but alas like the tin man in the wizard of oz he lacks heart..

Football history is full of players like Caz who walk away from the game empty handed while the Michael Carrick's of this world deservedly need a wheel barrow to carry all their medals in.
Now get someone with great heart effort commitment and ability to match you have Ranaldo and Messi or at least Iniesta or Xavi, with more effort Santi could be closer to those winners

29 Nov 2014 22:27:12
Banbury, I love reading your posts, while not one can disagree his injury past isn't great, but the same can be said when santi goes missing in games, every player is different, and there's not much that separates it, but it's still jack for me.

G62

You miss the point mate, a team of Jacks wouldn't be able to fill all their fixtures due to the fact they would all be injured .

It is about the player as they are, not if they were always 100% fit each week.

Hence why I would take Santi he is more than likely to be there for selection

29 Nov 2014 22:29:04
Thing is Ed, Santi's best position is in centre mid and as you said he was great in first sesson., scoring 14 and assisting as many.

But 2 in 1 don't go. Both Jack and Santi are at their best in the centre mid role.
Nice dilemma to have I guess mate.

Fair comment Banbury, its true Caz and Poldolski are never going to pull a hamstring that's for sure :-).
But I do take your point mate, sad but true Jack's never going to do 30 plus games a season

For me when he is fit Jack is a better player than Santi in my opinion. But I must repeat IF FIT!

Has everyone forgotten that santi cazorla hauled us out of the grim depths in the FA cup final with a superb peice of individual brilliance. Scoring in the absolute crunch time is good enough for me!

{Ed025's Note - one swallow doth not a summer make..

On swallow doth make an fa cup though

{Ed025's Note - fair point saint..

I think Santi is also facing the wrong side of the 20's, or may already be 30?? Personally I would try and cash in sooner rather than later. However I accept that like Ozil he again is being spoiled by Wenger playing him as a left winger. Looks much better in the middle. Personally I think Khedirha could have replaced Caz, Rosicky and Atreta's roles in the squad, but that's just a dream as he is looking like a Munich bound player.

{Ed025's Note - he is 29 EG..

29 Nov 2014 21:15:15
I posted earlier Wilshere or Cazorla.

I'm going to answer my own question, and possibly going to cause some controversy on here.

I'm not anti-Jack, far from it and sometimes I get the impression on this page that saying anything bad about Jack is an offence that carries a prison sentence.

Anyway, for me, I'm going to pick Santi.

Jack is a terrific player, gives 100% and is Arsenal to the core.

But, too injury prone for me. Not his fault, but some players are lucky, some not.
On average he plays half a season, which is a shame because he is a terrific player.
His injuries are our loss.

Secondly, in comparison to Santi, he slows the game down, thus allowing the opposition to track back and defend.

I also feel he loses possession more than Santi because he is more of a dribbler, thus giving him more chance to lose the ball and allow the opposition to counter.

For me, Santi is more direct, a quicker passer of the ball, which means we counter attack more and at a faster speed.

He is also more direct, ala Rosicky, thus giving us more scoring chances and his goals scored are better than Jacks, certainly in his first season, when he was playing more in his favoured central role.

You will all possibly disagree (waits for Stoner to reply lol) and you will possibly all accuse me of sticking a knife in Jack's back.

But hey, its a banter page and you all know I'm Arsenal through and through, and its just my opinion, whether right or wrong.

29 Nov 2014 21:59:13
Dags, I'd pick jack over Santi, for the simple fact I think jack works harder in the game.

Now I'd never slate anyone who voices there opinion, rather then just say jacks overrated, to injury prone and make it sound like it's all down to him.

Santi's first season was brilliant, but he hasn't produced it consistently since, I just think the demand on him is to high in the premiership for his physique.

I'd pick jack over santi, but I wouldn't sell either of them.

29 Nov 2014 22:25:09
Fair point MgM, you echoed my point that Santi is best suited in the central role, as his first season proved.

Agree with you entirely, would hate to sell either of them.

As much as I love Santi I would cash in on him in the summer to strengthen other areas of the pitch. We have far too many players in his postion and he has never replicated the beginning of his Arsenal career in the last few years.

29 Nov 2014 19:54:42
With us winning and Chavs dropping point's I send out this desperate plea to Dags.
Please please please don't send that post mate and jinx us, fight that urge It's top 4 for us top 3 possibly but let's keep it real pretty please Dagala :-)

29 Nov 2014 20:31:23
What post? Lol

29 Nov 2014 16:24:43
2 clean sheets on the bounce.

What's gone wrong? :-)

Or right?

Martinez?

Team looks like its working harder closing down up front and midfield. I think we panic defending our last third though. We have a run of winnable games before we are tested again, need to amass a big haul of points. Big holes left again today but baggies not good enough to exploit and when they did the linesman helped us out. Why was the ox left out, baffling, he's been our second best player. Stilli suppose the rest is needed, but what has pod done wrong to be blanked again. Next job, need to put Southampton in their place.

29 Nov 2014 17:21:01
Credit to Martinez he has looked assured and made some good saves, a couple when the players have been offside.

We have as yet not remotely played to form, bar Dortmund, and Ramsey is yet to return as the player of last season.

Maybe a continued run for Flamini will do him a world of good, Mert seems to have shaken off his World Cup celebrations, Kos is back and Gibbs continues to look good.

It's a game at a time process, I'm sure no one is jumping for joy proclaiming we will now win the League, because knowing us we remain fragile but after doing everything bar put the ball in the net against a woeful United it's nice to put two wins on the board.

Even with our injuries we still have some great options going forward, we need the continued solidarity at the back.

I personally wouldn't mind if we went back to 1 nil to the Arsenal for the next 20 games.

29 Nov 2014 17:27:10
Agree with all of the above.

The Pod situation is baffling, especially as we could shuffle things around and give Sanchez a well deserved break.

My biggest plus point would be the return of Theo, would improve us massively.

Two good results on the trot reasons to be gleeful return, make it 3 out of 3 and and r corner could well be turned.
There will always be areas we could be better in because everyone knows where not the finished article but on the whole a very decent and much improved performance that day.
Ox not starting was a massive surprise but we got away with it so no big deal

I think Pod is far to busy getting his photo taken and twerting to play football these days, I can understand his being dissolutioned through lack of chances but he doesn't exactly bust a gut when he plays either

Kos is so important to us. He could be one of the most under rated defenders in world football solid

Bony bags again. #justsaying lol

Bring on the saints.

Said it before Derby I really think Bony would suit our team down to a T at the moment. 16mil Welbeck, possibly 20mil Bony? No brainer for me.

Exactly van der. I like him

29 Nov 2014 15:19:00
Well happy with that.

Thought it was going to be 1-3 or 0-4 (lol).

Good performance and result. Typical Arsenal, do things the hard way, but any away win is a bonus.

Thought Cazorla was immense today.
Does he play much better when JW is not in team?

Great to have Kos back, but shame about Montreal injury.

Happy Dags.

Arsenal play better when JW is not playing. I'd love if someone could get the actual stats on arsenals record with and without jack starting a game

29 Nov 2014 16:05:57
Me too, any kind of a run of wins is what we need, that and Ramsey to play himself back into form.

Sorry, but we do not play better without Jack, players like Cazorla play better because they are playing in their preffered position, I love Cazorla but JW starts in front of him for me

29 Nov 2014 16:53:43
I'm with you 337 :-)

29 Nov 2014 12:41:30
Just got in from work

Seen the side

WBA 1 Arsenal 3

29 Nov 2014 13:46:01
Well 0-0 half time, but plenty of positives to take from it, Just hope we keep our shape and defend in the second half.

1 nil to the arsenal:)
(thank goodness)
heart in mouth at the end, but came through ok. well done lads.
santi. awesome!:)
COYG andi

29 Nov 2014 11:29:05
Hey Eds is it true we are interested in paulo dybala fromn what I've seen he looks like he's a real talent.

{Ed002's Note - Not as far as I know.}

29 Nov 2014 08:49:32
Any idea what is up with Abu Diaby? Wenger doesn't mention him any longer. I was under the impression, he had a calf problem and should be back by now.

29 Nov 2014 09:56:21
Bit of a mystery Rob as Diaby is not on official injury list.

It's all ok now robbie, he's just returned from Llandudno junction after having specialist treatment for his calf problem, and has been reported to be feeling pretty sheepish.

YNWA

29 Nov 2014 10:19:36
He has a starring role in the new movie with Bruce Willis called Unbreakable 2, he is playing the part of Elijah Price who was played by Samuel L Jackson in the original film.

Shooting is scheduled until May so he could be back next season.

That's the best excuse I can come up with :-)

29 Nov 2014 13:07:09
Lol Mick and Red,

29 Nov 2014 04:13:42
I've always been fully bhind wenger but Iam down to 50/50 now in or out I don't care but somthing needs to happen, I think January will make or break our season, and to be honest I don't see him buying what we need then it's out of the top 4 and no big players will join sad times

I think deep down Wenger knows he has lost a lot of the fans. He will quit come the end of the season in my opinion. If he does he would leave his successor with an abundance of talent at their disposal which would be a great foundation for our potential new coach to kick in and build his own team.

Who do we bring in to replace a legend though? Much like when Sir Alex departed it is a poison chalice and it will take a brave man to take his seat at the Emirates.