Arsenal Banter Archive June 15 2014

15 Jun 2014 22:29:15
Just going back to Rooney, I hear so much talk about we have to play our best player ( meaning Rooney) so what gives him the title of best player. the goal he scored against Arsenal at Goodison. His last 14 international goals have come against Switzerland, Bulgaria, Ukraine, San Marino, Poland, Brazil, San Marino, Montenegro, Brazil, Montenegro, Polan and Equador. He hasn't done it on WC Finals, blimey in three finals he has had ONE assist, I am afraid he is a wasted name on the team sheet, WOY BOY should be playing players in form and going on last season he wasn't one of them

{Ed025's Note - you wont get an argument from me BG..

Agree totally on Rooney but think Roy's doing a great job.
Taken a young squad and not afraid to use them, Sterling Barkley Wilshere already and Ox likely to start if fit Thursday.
I wasn't impressed when he got the job but so far proving me and many others wrong, you don't get much praise as England manager but Roy deserves a pat on the back so far and I don't think he'll dodge the Rooney decision either come the Uruguay game

15 Jun 2014 23:12:46
Messi hasn't been exactly the same player at WC finals, would you drop him to?

Rooney needs to play in the no 9/10 role, what ever you think his stats stand up, he's a very very good and important player for England.

Ed025, you really need to stop encouraging this . I'm going to say it, drivel!

{Ed025's Note - we have different views 1404, and even though yours is wrong...i still respect it mate.. :)

15 Jun 2014 23:30:52
And another thing, who should be playing instead of Rooney then? You say pick on form, did you look at Rooneys form last season? 17 goals from 29 in the league when he was playing out of position a lot of the time isn't that bad is it?who are you picking instead of him?

15 Jun 2014 23:55:54
Remy?

Oh wait.

Milner or Ox hopefully or put sterling on the left and Barkley or Lambert.

16 Jun 2014 09:39:15
The best Arsenal striker of all time thinks we should play Rooney.

15 Jun 2014 21:32:40
Hi Guys I'm probably day dreaming here but what is the likelihood of getting Reina (gk) Seamus Coleman (rb) Khedira/De Jong (dm) and Balotelli and Falcao ( both puma contracted ), We supposedly had 100m for transfers but that would be topped up if we receive 5.5m from chelski for fabregas and 9m for the removal of the buy out clause for Vela, I think all will be forgiven with the Cesc fiasco if these players came in?

15 Jun 2014 21:42:28
We were on Nike before and we didn't sign Neymar, Ibra or any of the other Nike sponsored players so the fact they are puma contracted seems to be irrelevant.

JackGooner The only reason I commented regarding the puma connection is it is being reported that puma would be willing to help secure certain signings that are already contracted with them, probably a load of crap!

I'd say Khedira and balotelli out of that list are a possibility mate. Falcao won't happen because he only really plays effectively with a strike partner, where as we only usually play one striker. Coleman will be to expensive for a full back and Reina won't play second fiddle to schezny

15 Jun 2014 21:00:53
With Joel Campbell added to next seasons squad, all we need is Balotelli to complete our attacking options. We need to break the bank for Pogba. Micah Richards at RB. Hangelan as cover for Mertesacker. Keep Vermaelen. Begovic to challenge Szczesny.

Voila!

Agree with Pogba but still not sold on mad Mario would be happy with remy and decent winger instead of paying £30mil for Mario!

15 Jun 2014 20:27:50
Posted last night but gremlins were at work. Is cambell better then cavani?? He was certainly a cut above last night. Dream front 3 of walcott ballatelli and cambell, now that would be a handfull at not a lot of money. Lots of spondulicks to bolster midfield and defence still. On a side note, I thought england looked good for long periods, but a bit naive at times. Perhaps should have brought lambert on with 15 to and gone a bit more direct. With sturridge and stirling picking up the pieces.

15 Jun 2014 18:33:33
Does anyone know what's happening with djourou? Has he agreed to leave in the summer, if not I'd keep him on as 3rd or 4th choice cb.

15 Jun 2014 19:11:50
He officially signed for Hamburg a few months ago mate.

He's signed for Hamburg.

Hes gone thank god. Not the standard required.

15 Jun 2014 23:15:13
But Nigel de Wrong is apparently, excellent.

15 Jun 2014 15:57:00
Hi guys

Haven't posted since before cup final but (for what they're worth lol) here's my take on a few things

Cesc
One of the best midfield players in the world and would strengthen any squad, especially ours. For some reason Wenger didn't want him. Maybe it was that he thought the return would upset the balance and morale in the changing room but Wenger made a decision with his head not heart so he must have a plan.

As supporters we all work the other way round and our hearts take the lead. Wenger can't do that as we're not Moneybags City and has to count the cash because the board will never give him a bottomless pit.

He may have £100mil or whatever to spend but he has a limit and has to allocate what he has to cover the needs of balancing the squad and team. Wenger therefore has to work to some kind of plan and Cesc couldn't be accommodated into that plan

From Cesc's point of view he was rejected by us so you cankt blame him for him not coming back. Once that rejection happened he did what any professional would do and looked for the best deal he could get off his next employer

Don't get me wrong, him in that chavvy top is a disgusting image but we have to move on and forget about him. Let's focus on Arsenal rather than worry about other teams

Joel Campbell
Not saying he is the answer but it looks like its time to bring the kid in and give him his chance. He's far from the finished article but he needs to be in the squad now and to show if he can handle the EPL

Transfers
The board, Arsene must know they have to feed the hunger of the fans for a stellar signin (or two lol) and they have to improve the squad and replace some lost players. Its going to be ahuge summer so let's see what they come up with.

Cheap catalogue reject buys won't cut it unless there's a nivce sprinkling of top class in there

Anyway I'm off back to my darkened room till the fixture come out (next week I thinlk) and our new kits are out (july I think) and then its planning for next season lol

Take care all

15 Jun 2014 18:39:07
Damn fine post Soops and I pray you are correct mate.

15 Jun 2014 08:08:20
Eds. I must apologise but unless I'm losing the plot I can't seem to find the link to actually post banter on the World Cup site. I see a little blue box on the right but when I click on it it asks me to register then tells me I'm already registered and that's it. Thanks guys and once again sorry for using our site to ask this question but I'm wondering if I'm not the only one. :)

{Ed033's Note - Please use the contact form for technical queries. Use the rumours form on football rumours to post like on arsenal rumours - http://football-rumours.co.uk/rumoursadd.php

15 Jun 2014 12:02:50
My transfer shortlist Ins and outs.

In:
GK: Ochoa
DF: Bressan
DM/DF: Ciao
DF: Aurier
MF: Schneiderlin
MF: Calhanoglu
ST: Balotelli/ Lukaku(unlikly I know)
ST: Campbell Back from loan
ST: Possibly Bahebeck
Out:

GK: Fabianski
DF: Sagna
DF: Vermealen
MF: Arteta
MF: Cazorla
ST: Bendtner
ST: Park
ST: Miyachi

Alot of targets there I know we are not realistically going to sign half of them but I think they're needed as our squad lacks strength in depth, as our second half of the season collapse proves.

Makes us weaker than last year.

Ahaah spelt his name wrong I ment Rodrigo caio from sao paulo

Why would that make us weaker?

15 Jun 2014 17:45:27
Because Bressan is not as good as TV5, Schneiderlin is not significantly better than Arteta, Ciao I've never even hear of and neither Campbell or Bahebeck is capable of replacing Santi. Also you have us losing 5 players with quality premier leage experience and champions league experience and not replacing it at all. That is why we would be weaker.

Look at the players we lose and look at the players we bring in. Pretty easy to see we'd be weaker.

9 new faces can hardly be good for a team either. Well unless it's the 9 best players in the world.

Schniederlin is a lot better than Arteta.

15 Jun 2014 10:52:08
Eds. would it be possible at some stage to be able to post the Emoticons/Smileys etc . On here?

{Ed002's Note - You need the kiddies version of the site.}

Oh Goldboy! I thought you were better than that! (Smiley face!)

Do you still write in crayon?

15 Jun 2014 11:35:53
Maybe and so?

Golds have a snickers mate

{Ed025's Note - they were marathons in mine and golds time MKD.. :)

I'm sure Goldboy's emoticon set is the adult only version and has few unique mods -:).

Don't forget opral fruits and Spangle's 0025

16 Jun 2014 09:28:59
This explains so much.

15 Jun 2014 07:56:44
Ed. I first saw Joel Campbell playing for Lorient years ago but didn't realise at the time he was an Arsenal signing.He looked red hot then and I said he looked the business. It was when I saw him play for Olympiacos the penny dropped and I posted on here about him and people slaughtered me saying he wasn't up to much.
Personally I think it's because they never knew who he was and had never seen him play so he couldn't be any good in their opinion. But anyhow, has his work permit problems been resolved and where would you think he would fit in to Arsenal now as a winger or a striker.
Also going back to last night and my beloved Rooney, not, who could have been an Arsenal player. Like a saddo I tried to count how many times he touched the ball in the first half and I think it was something like once every 7 minutes. Ok he crossed the ball for our goal and!? big deal are we all supposed to remember that?
In my opinion he is the biggest overrated over paid footballer that I have ever had the misfortune of seeing and I am so pleased he never ended up at Arsenal.

15 Jun 2014 09:52:17
Golds,

I'm confused. Do you rate Rooney, yes or no?.

All this sitting on the fence is not good mate, lol.

15 Jun 2014 10:06:56
Played in the right position Rooney is unplayable, i'd rather have Rooney in my side than Giroud any day of the week. To say he's overrated just embarrasses yourself mate, he'll play where he is told to regardless of if he is happy about it and just get on with it wether it suits him or not.
Ask most defender who they don't like playing against and it would be Rooney.

15 Jun 2014 10:12:06
1404. Either you are me have got to get a new TV mate. Seriously. You must be watching him in ROONEYVISION.

Rooney was poor. Over rated when you consider his wage packet for what he produces for England. In the EPL he is immense. But it was Hodgson who played him there, his poor performance was nothing more than his willingness to play anywhere for the team, even at the expense of playing someone who naturally plays that position. I much prefer the idea of Lallana starting and then Rooney coming on as sub if we use that formation. However, if Engand had won no-one would be having this conversation.

15 Jun 2014 10:45:57
DAGS. No mate. Does it notice? :) LOL

Let's face it no matter how you dress up the cross Rooney was awful and if he'd been one of the youngsters he wouldn't have seen halftime on the pitch.
But I have to say he genuinely gave all he had and looked as lost anyone WS to why he can't perform on the big stage for England, I'm soft and because he didn't throw a tantrum and blame the crowed ref or TV crew I actually for the first time ever feel sorry for the bloke.
He wanted it so bad but unfortunately bfor England he's out of his depth at finals time after time

15 Jun 2014 11:43:33
It would not matter to me if we had thrashed Italy. Rooney is diabolical in an England shirt and has been for a few years. If he was good I would be saying he is good. The fact is he isnt. I don't understand how anybody can keep buiding him up. His performances are staring you in the face. Left side, right side, up front, who gives a monkeys? fact is no matter where I've seen him play for England in the last couple of years he is a waste of space.
And to top it up there are a lot of United fans that think the same too.

{Ed025's Note - im with you golds..show some balls woy..drop him!..

So if we thrashed every team and won the world cup would we be picking on a individual in the team who didn't perform?
Also, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but everyone who has put the England shirt on has been Poor. Golden generation that never won anything. For some reason English fans are unrealistic. We won't win every game. But it's more fun to be there involved then to be watching from home. We're a poor side whos expectations are blown out of all proportion by the media. Better to try and fail then to hide and give up.

Rooney is not playing well at the moment, but has the potential to be a match winner when he is on form and played as a striker or just behind the striker. The fault was with Hodgson, he was clearly afraid to put out a side without Rooney.

By half time it was clear ( one cross excepted) that the positives Rooney was bringing to the team were far outweighed by the negatives caused by his lack of defensive cover in front of Baines allowing Italy to run rampant down the left. The earlier surprise result meant a draw would have been a good outcome for England, so at half time with the scores level and Rooney being so ineffective, the obvious choice was to bring on Milner for Rooney to close down the left channel, especially as all our attacking threat was coming from Sterling and Wellbeck down the right. The bottom line is Roy bottled it as he was scared of losing and the resulting press reaction if he had taken off our "best player"( at least by historic reputation).

Love him or hate him Rooney has been a good player for Utd, for England in the Qualifiers against minnows he's ok too but on the big stage where it matters he's out of his depth and Roy who has shown real bottle in taking younger players will I think be brave enough to make the big call on Rooney too next game up.
Like I said before the only difference this time is I think he desperately wants to do it but just isn't capable at this level

15 Jun 2014 15:28:47
No I'm just not going to use words like diabolical or overrated to describe a player who clearly isn't either of those things, wild you really have Roomey over Giroud?

15 Jun 2014 15:51:21
For all the people that believe Rooney brings something to the England team.
Please tell us what that is.
Secondly before you start convncing yourselves just go on the Manchester United banter site and read what the United fans say about him.

15 Jun 2014 16:17:43
Yeah because Utd fans are known for their footie knowledge haha he brought an assist to the game didn't he which no one else managed from what I remember?

Rooney has been poor for the last couple of years for england and united Yes he has scored and made assists but he has never been a top player it's a shame cause when he first came on the scene he looked like he could be fantastic he's just never managed it It's time England stopped trying to accomdate him and just picked the best players in their position of that means Rooney is on the bench so be it Sturridge and sterling are ahead of him through the middle and lallana seems a better choice on the left

15 Jun 2014 19:25:10
Makes goals and assists and yet is poor, hilarious.

{Ed025's Note - 1 assist yesterday, and his unwillingness to track back was a major factor in us losing IMO, lazy man who has so much ability that it is heartbreaking to see him wasting it, he is starting to believe his own hype 1404, you like many others have been duped by the media into believing that he is the messiah, when in fact he is a phoney..never produced it in the big games and is not actually a very nice human being mate..

16 Jun 2014 09:34:46
'Never produced in the big games' - Entirely false statement. Do your research.

15 Jun 2014 03:21:20
Good cross from Aurier

15 Jun 2014 00:39:53
Did anybody else see the ref with his can of shaving foam?

Amazing.

15 Jun 2014 08:19:26
Dags. I saw it the other day and do you know what I thought? It was one of those genius moments for someone who has seen the problems of getting the defence to stand back and came up with that idea. Went to Boots bought a small can of shaving foam scraped the writing off the can and presented it to FIFA as an invention for the free kick problem and they have FIFA bought it hook line and sinker. Now we all know that probably nearly every match all over the World from next season onwards from kids to professional refs will be using this. I bet the person who came out with this is laughing his balls off all the way to the bank. So simple it's ingenious. But there you go we have all been watching football for years and never think of solving a problem like this as it seems so minor. But the minor things are the ones that make the big money just like the Cats Eyes in the roads.

15 Jun 2014 09:58:41
You could be right Golds.

But, instead of shaving foam, maybe Joe Hart could use his shampoo, he must have shed-loads of the stuff from his adverts.