Arsenal Banter Archive June 20 2013

20 Jun 2013 23:19:09
Please do not let us mess this transfer up, I really want Higuain, but do feel there's twists a coming. Tevez, Cavani, Suarez, Bale still some big players to move and the clubs linked with these players all have bigger pockets than us, if they miss out surely Higuain is on their lists he needs signing pronto. I mean lock him and his agent in a room remove there phones and don't let him out till 2nd July after he signs. On the Williams transfer front I don't see this as major loss if he doesn't sign, I'll bow to Boulds better knowledge so if he has chosen him as we're lead to believe he is deciding on a more British defencesive spine then can I just throw in Phil Jones as a player I would love to see in an Arsenal shirt. We could offer regular first team football which Man U don't seem keen on, he is a beast of player, never say die, plus can play. He's English, future Captain material I wouldn't sea down side to a 20M bid for him, whether that would do it is questionable maybe Eds would have a better idea on his value if available

Holmesy

21 Jun 2013 07:48:58
Jones get first team football. Kos and mertsaker let in 5 goals in 11 games. you don't replace a winning partnership. that's why we are linked with Williams. because he will be a squad player. Think with a proper def/mid and better keeper I think we will be even better defensively. A full fit Wilshire and a proven prolific forward Higuian. just think we lack a bit of quality on the left. Shame the ox isn't left footed. 4-4-2 could be a real possibility. km

20 Jun 2013 22:37:46
hi ed banter please apparently we hava a clear run at maher and higuain is ours. out of 10 how likely is it we get the following:
higuain
rooney
fellani
maher thanks I know its a lot

Bergkamp5353

IMHO

H- 8
R- 3
F- 7
M- 4

20 Jun 2013 21:24:38
just to remind me again. can anyone name any argentine players who have played for arsenal?

also it just struck me among all the other feelings of higuain, and if he will or won't work out.

then it hit me. he plays for the most prestigious club in the world. with some of the best players in the world. and to still consistently make the roster and score goals.

im over the moon that he is choosing us and we will love him as our own.

does anyone have a song for him? I know i'm ahead of myself, but this is just downright awesome.

Nelson vivas


SM1996

Nelson Viva springs to mind.
Andy

Nelson Vivas

Jaz

He's quick, sublime
Puts it over the line
The gunners Argentine
Its higuain its higuain

Nelson Vivas

Speaking of songs does nacho monreal have 1 yet? If not should be the Doritos advert ( don't know name of song) nacho nacho baby nacho monreaaaal!



SM1996

Yh he does is nacho nacho man

Or how about when Homer Simpson sings nacho nacho man. I want to be a nacho man. I know someone else already put this up but I thought it was hilarious so I thought I'd bring it up again.

Aussie gunnah

Could stick with his first name
every time he scores

Just one Gonzalo give it to me

Chris

20 Jun 2013 20:16:53
Not sure about Fellaini, always think his best games for Everton came as an attacking midfielder or just off the striker. Don't think that is what we need at the moment. He doesn't tackle great, seems to give away lots of free kicks & gets booked alot. I think there are better defensive midfielders around.

Totally agree I would take lars bender all day long before considering fellaini. Its a total missfit, can you honesty see him playing for us?

20 Jun 2013 19:46:54
Not arsenal related but any predictions for the Spain game? I'm saying at least 10-0


SM1996

Dude, that was one good guess lol. Damn they were poo tonight! Spain dust even play well so imagine if they'd come in all guns blazin!

Hope you put some penny's on that haha

1404

Na mate I didn't! As you could imagine I'm quite pissed off! Lol


SM1996

20 Jun 2013 17:58:00
I said months ago that I would like Higuain ( and got slated for it) never believing it would actually happen, looks increasingly likely now

1404

Who slated you for it?

Tbh Metal I can't remember as I don't take much notice haha but the general opinion was he wasn't good enough, I did try and search for the post earlier but didn't come up with anything

1404

Higuains shot coversion is 28%, to messi at 29%, and ronaldo and rvp and falcao and aguero and eto are between 18% and 22%

i have no idea why real want benzema over him, but if for 3 seasons straight his efficiency is second only to the midget we can never have.

thank you madrid and there is a GOD

20 Jun 2013 16:53:21
According to the Times, we have signed Higuain. They are quoting Argentina sources, but it's the Times, they don't do rumours 99% as a rule

20 Jun 2013 18:18:27
boooooooooooooooom. hope so, this would be the most exciting signing for quite a few years. km

Try since thierry henry

No one had even heard of Henry when he arrived anyone who knows anything about football knows higuain

Henry played an important role in France's 98 cup win - he was their top scorer. Wenger would not have spent £10M on an unknown.

20 Jun 2013 16:18:20
If we sign Higuain, Cesar and Lars Bender I will be over the moon. Some young players we could look at in addition to these players.
Grenier 22
Maher 19
Tello 21
Munian 20
Bartra 22
1 or 2 of these young players and we have a pretty decent team.

Totally agree with you Mark. Lars would be a great addition and so would either Tello or Munian. But I still feel that we need another CB to add that depth to our defence. My ideal choice would be Subotic.

20 Jun 2013 19:11:44
Dortmund are not going to sell anymore players.

Dortmund will sell if the price suits them as most clubs would do.

G95

Lars Bender plays for Bayer Leverkusen his brother Sven plays for Dortmund, so a deal for Lars is very possible actually.

Lars plays for Leverkusen (his twin Sven plays for Dortmund)

20 Jun 2013 16:18:08
if higuain transfer to arsenal, what formation will we play? who will sit out? what happens to english players especially with world cup next year? {Ed027's Note - Giroud, simple, English players fight for there place, no secial treatment, just like TV will fight for his

I don't care if its poldi, walcott, giroud, dare I say gervinho.

higuain is the man.

4-2-3-1

with a striker who has the second highest shot conversion rate in the world behind messi.

Im ecstatic. I don't care who we play. with our style of play, our form carrying over, and the squad talent.

lets show teams who said we can't finish, show us how they can stop us, when we have a under rated world class player.

Lakerville

20 Jun 2013 15:14:14
If one assumes that the Higuain transfer is all but completed and hopefully there are no last minute hitches, there still remains several players we seem to be linked with on a regular basis.
Of the following:-
Wanyama
Fabregas (loan or permanent transfer)
Fellaini
Rooney
Jovetic
Nani
Illarramendi

my preference would be for Illarramendi.

Three strikers (Higuain, Podolski, Giroud) who can play centrally are sufficient with Walcott as backup.
Creative midfielders we have by the bucketload and any more will only create tensions.
That leaves defensive midfielder, our real problem position
Granted Arteta can be used as necessary, but it is not his natural position. Ramsay may grow into it in time.
That leaves Fellaini, Wanyama and Illarramendi.
Fellaini is clearly versatile, but to me he now prefers to play higher up the pitch.
I see Wanyama regularly up here in haggis-land and he too likes to wander too much for my liking.
My choice therefore is Illarramendi. He seems to be a natural DM, like Patrick Viera, Gilberto Silva or Claude Makelele.
To me it seems far more sensible to secure a player who can naturally play in our problem position, than try and convert another type of player altogether.
So it's Illarramendi for me.

. based on 2 recently televised matches? joke. Fellaini all the way

RG

Well the most Viera like is most certainly Wanyama, who has been likened to him by none other that Pirlo himself. Powerful, technical and reads the game beautifully. He is also disciplined enough to play at centre half, where he also shows quality but is not as good as he is as a DM.

kev88

20 Jun 2013 14:29:18
have suspended betting on Higuain - Arsenal backed at 1/3 to sign him

Very promising.

Add Cesar and Fellaini and we will be in a very strong position :)

20 Jun 2013 13:24:34
Question:- Is Cazorla left footed or right footed? {Ed027's Note - Right

I disagree, from the many games I have seen Cazorla seems to prefer his left foot, particularly for distance shots. He is definitely the most two footed player I have ever seen, but I think he's a lefty. {Ed027's Note - He takes set pieces with his right, he has said he is right, therefore I am right

Ed027, you crack me up. LOLZ

Nas

Lol sorry Ed, I would have said left, but when your right your right, and your. ummmm. right?

Not that funny. Nas.

Santi is more right footed set pieces etc but I feel for shooting he is slightly better left footed as he gets over the ball more and hits the target, maybe someone has the stats for his goals

Shaneyd

Yea Ed has it right although santi is really a two-footed player and has a rocket on his left foot as well, right is his favoured side.

Trinidad-Gooner

You're all wrong he is so obviously leight footed

20 Jun 2013 13:15:48
Betting suspended for higuain to Arsenal. Looks highly likely this is going to happen. Come on you gunners.
Have Arsenal shown any interest in Luis gustarvo. Looked a beast for brazil last night. Just what we need
Thanks ED's {Ed027's Note - In the past yes

20 Jun 2013 13:05:55
Betting has been suspended on Arsenal to be Higuain's next club by and others after odds fell as short as 1/3. I don't believe anything till it's on official website, but what a signing he could be.

20 Jun 2013 10:33:41
Southampton are in talks for Wanyama for £10m. Is that better value compared to Fellaini at £22m? Eds, are we still interested? {Ed027's Note - If saints get him, it means we were no longer interested, and to be fair Celtci Ed hasn't heard anything on Arsenal since the deal last summer

Schneiderlin might be off then
Flybo

20 Jun 2013 10:12:27
Ed's do you have any info on the rumours that Arsenal tried to hijack West Ham's Andy Carrol deal in the last minute? {Ed027's Note - lol no

Pissed myself laughing

20 Jun 2013 12:24:02
Questions please
Right, as we are getting new players this year, which player do u think is arsene's WORST signing? I think it is
sebastian squillaci. He was shocking for us, and never had a good game for us. Strangely, he was one of Frances best cb's when he joined. Thoughts plz

Extremely odd, as I recall seeing him play for France before he signed for us and he reminded me of Keown. Once he joined us he resembled Cygan, only shorter & with hair.

I disagree. Squid played a lot when he arrived he even got the captain's armband once. The worst signing has to be Park.

Chamack

My theory on squillaci is he was past it when we signed him, yet is a good friend of Wengers who put him on good wage packet before he retires. stole a living at Arsenal.

MD

Got to be Park Chu Yung for me, purely signed to appease the asian market

Igor Stepanovs without any doubt - he looked like he'd never seen a football!

For me its between Philipe Senderos and Pascal Cygan. Just awful.

Jeffers?

There are players I can't distinguish between:

Jeffers due to the fee and how crap he was even when Henry gifted him open goals.

Cygan - wtf?

Stepanovs - wtf?

Park - that's right Wenger, spend almost a month negotiating a deal for a player you had zero intention of playing despite some actual quality and our desperation for goals. Wouldn't even get the nod from the bench. Disgusting waste of £3m+wages and such a transparent marketing move. Killed a country's captain's career.

Jeffers the fox that could spend all week in the box but would still fail to find the net (actually as long as that box had no air holes would be quite a nice idea) got to be worst!

20 Jun 2013 11:32:16
It's so strange not knowing who to believe in the transfer window. I read a story MONTHS ago in the Mirror about City chasing Fernandinho, trying to get him for £20m.

A few months later I read in the same paper that the deal was being held up due to an increased price to £40m.

About a month ago, maybe a bit over, I read the story again - City in talks to sign Fernadinho. Two to three weeks later they signed him.

You just know if this had been a story about Arsenal, the player wouldn't have signed for us!

We all know that other team doesn't have scout teams. After so many times they outbid us, Arsene started to keep his cards even closer, so I don't think that many people know who our real targets are. Ofcourse always there is some real info out there in all the sites and blogs, but we can't know forsure. I love rumour madness in the summer, but I know that with Arsenal no one can give us true info.

P. S. I remember that last year someone hear posted info about a spanish international joining the club weeks before the papers. And a week before the transfer was revealed on the official site the same person posted again that the spanish international would be cazorla. The only thing I don't remember about this is whos was tha chap, what was his nickname :D:D Maybe the Eds could help here :)

BGGOONER you're right somebody did say that, they said we'd be signing a spanish international and that we'd all be surprised/not have a clue who. They were bang on. I think it was the same person saying Song would be sold, and it may come as a surprise to know that there is a big chance that person was malaga gooner! But I am not 100% on that.

I am pretty sure that it was not Malaga gooner who first brought to us the info. He was someone not regular here. {Ed027's Note - It was Ben, who is another who got stick for no reason, and has now left

20 Jun 2013 10:43:18
I saw this and I thought yes this is exactly why we won't pay for Rooney. Does anyone remember when evidently Wayne Rooney paid £1200 for a hooker 1% of his salary at the time and what he got for his money? I would hate to think of what I would get for 1% of my wages. Ha Ha

20 Jun 2013 09:37:19
Realistically, only 4 signings will be made for sure, the rest will depend on departures:
GK: Julio Cesar
DCM: one out of many players being linked, preference Fellaini or Gonalons
ST: Higuain and Sanogo

depending on departures:
a CB if Djourou leaves
a winger if Gervinho leaves
a RB if Sagna leaves (expect him to stay)
an attacking CM if Rosicky leaves (expect him to stay)

HarrowGooner

20 Jun 2013 06:10:58
Does anyone remember the times when the rumours were strong and we were going to sign players like Remy, M'Villa, Hazard, Mata a lot of us were convinced I suppose and what and we ended up with none of these players. Could this be a similar scenario?

Of course it is! Leopards don't change their spots. Ask Arsene!

I get adverts showing mickey mouse on mine. Hols to florida

Lets hope not

1404

Mate, those rumours were still going come august and the players weren't signed at that point. It's not even July yet! Have patience :)

I keep getting an advert for a kia ceed, it could mean he will arrive in a KIA?

Truth is we were in for all of this players but failed to seal the deal or pulled out

Its true we could end up with no one why its important not to get too excited until its on Arsenal. com

20 Jun 2013 09:18:48
Not a rumour, more of a grievance with whoever makes the fixtures.

For the past couple of seasons I've noticed this happening quite a bit.

Arsenal seem to get landed with big games back to back to back. for example in December we have everton, city & chelsea then in march we have: spurs (a), chelsea (a), Manc (H), everton (a).

mix in champions league games in there and it makes things really tough. I know we all have to play each other, but from what I have checked so far the other big teams get a much easier ride. Man United for example have an easy game either side of the big games.

i feel this makes a big difference. suspensions, injuries etc all rack up and when other teams can happily rotate and rest players against weaker teams I feel its a bit unfair.

thoughts?

The clubs we play also will have fixture concerns. However, the start has been kind to us, if I am not incorrect the first 8 fixtures are matches that we won last year. A good start is extremely important, after the last couple of seasons. Hopefully, Wenger will realise that we need two teams to compete, hence improving the squad is imperative. Imagine you add Cesar, Williams, Fellaini, Nani & Higuain to the squad. We would have quality cover in every position.

We have an easier start than most of the other 'big' clubs, which is good. So it's not all bad

The assumption of weaker team in pl is very wrong. if arsenal fc want to be successful every team should be treated this same way. injuries, cards? well that is what bench is for and hopefully aw will address the team depth this transfer window properly. I have big hopes for next season, if we buy new players before asia toure and they click with team, we will be very strong in pl and cl. cheers! n

My thoughts are that when the fixtures come out you get what you get and you cope with it.
If we had/have a stronger squad where players who cover suspensions/injuries are more than capable it wouldn't be as much a worry.
Bit of an easy excuse to blame the fixtures. If we are on form and winning you won't hear any complaints. If we're off form and not winning then the fixture excuse gets rolled out.

A computer makes the fixtures

In all honesty I think the fixture list is a bit of a mess next season. There are far too many 'easy periods' followed by extensive runs of top-4 games. It's not just us either, it's the same for Man U, haven't really bothered looking at the other teams' fixtures.

I have always felt something very dodgy goes on with them. Considering there is basic computer software out there with the ability to randomly generate a season's worth of fixtures whilst taking into account cup games and CL games, and doing this in a matter of moments, it makes you wonder why it takes so long to generate a fixture list at all (if it actually does. ) But every year there are too many question marks over the fixtures of many clubs.

I suppose all we can do really is take it on the chin. Big clubs have big games and we just need to make sure we do well in this TF window so that we aren't out of the running by October like we were last year. We have a pretty decent start. 3 draws won't be good enough. We need to win our first 9 games and especially we need to smash the spurs in game 3. Considering how a win over them gives the whole club confidence I think that fixture is a blessing. Two warm ups then a big game where the only acceptable outcome is a decent win at home. Let's just hope we have the depth and quality this time to handle difficult runs. And let's pray to the heavens that Wenger does something about it if we are seeing 65% possession, sideways passing and no goals in our games!

Might seem unfair, but I think genuine champions never complain about who they have to face and in what order. If the team is good enough, they will conquer every team, big and small. No excuses

I've thought the same thing. But I don't know how the select fixtures. Is it drawn randomly out of a bowl or are they put together by the FA?

3434

Rue1025 I totally agree with you, but there is truth in the matter of certain fixtures being bad timing, and I think it's more a reflection of the strength of our team if we are worried about the fixture list.

20 Jun 2013 07:39:23
Arsenal to sign:
� Higuain - £22 mil.
� Valbuena - £14 mil.
� Wanyama - £10 mil. (Also covers defence. )
� Sanogo & a couple more youngsters