Arsenal Banter Archive June 05 2013

05 Jun 2013 20:59:43
Why on earth so many of you think Rooney would be a bad signing? IMO I think he would be a great signing maybe just what we need to get us back to the top. I'm not saying he is going to score 50 goals next season but his work rate is unreal, he is versatile can play striker or just behind striker heck you could stick him in the mids and he will run his socks off. I would welcome him to our team any day! Unlike a lot of other players we have been linked with Rooney will add value to our squad and have an immediate impact. Slate me if you like but Rooney is a class player.

Anyone who knows anything about football knows Rooney could only be a good signing.

1404

Would love to see a fit and determined Rooney playing for Arsenal.

Think the rumours are to good to be true though.

Bergkamp's apprentice

Pod. Rooney. Theo

Santi. Fab.

Capoue.


Gibbs. Per. Kos. Jenks.

Cesar.

Jack, Ox, Arteta, TV, Giroud, Rosicky, Rambo, Nacho, Sagna etc to supplement and rotate.

I don't like Rooney - hassling refs, diving etc but he works hard, gives us flexibility, works hard and knows how to win

SY4

All for it. Gibbs, Jenkinson, Wilshere, Walcott, Chamberlain, Rooney. Proper English core which has been proved essential to win the EPL in recent years. Rooney is a match winner and would make us genuine contenders next season. Its a good time to be a Gooner. First time in years we are talking about arrivals instead of departures.

06 Jun 2013 00:26:49
of all the players we are linked with, others much more strongly, Rooney is who I personally hope we get.

i think he would turn out to be worth every penny if we broke the bank for him

Someone like Rooney is exactly what this team needs. People's memories may not serve them all that well, but when we signed Podolski, even in his first game he was bossing the players about on the pitch, explaining where he wanted passes etc, demanding quality from them. It's a winner's mentality and Rooney would whip the boys into shape in no time. If the mids are ignoring his runs he won't wait there politely and see what happens like Theo does with Sagna, he'd be in their face demanding better service because he knows he's good and he hates losing.

I am not the only fan who has felt as though the team doesn't seem bothered by a loss. You look at United when they lose, they almost don't want to leave the pitch because they know what's coming.

Even if you got none of that you'd still get his quality. For me, the biggest signing this summer won't necessarily be the player who costs the most or has the highest wages or the coolest hair or scores the most goals at their current team - it'll be the player that comes in and demands that everyone else plays better, right from the first whistle.

It's what Henry did as well when he came back. Instantly telling Song 'not there, pass it THERE', 'that ball wasn't good enough', he didn't clap the effort he clapped only good passes, that sort of striving for the highest standards. We are desperate for that at AFC and Rooney is definitely a player like that.

Rooney would bring to arsenal that 1 thing we have been missing for a long time! A winning mentality! that's what we need more than anything players who will not accept defeat

06 Jun 2013 09:06:46
Top top player would walk into our team hard to admit but we need to take off our rose tinted glasses and realise his much better than what we have. As an arsenal and england fan would love to see him the ox walcott wilshere gibbs and jenko in the same team especially in a world cup year

If we could get the Rooney of about 4 years ago, I would take him no problem. Does anyone remember the goal United scored against us that was used on tv adverts for a while? They edited the ball out for effect.
Anyway, in that goal, Arsenal were on the attack, which subsequently broke down. In about 4 passes lasting a total of 5 seconds, United were at the Arsenal goal. My point in this is simple, during those 4 odd passes, Rooney made the most gut busting, determined sprint to get to the box. He ran past most of Arsenals retreating players. Upon arrival at the box, he scored the goal. Now, if we could get Rooney back to this level, mentally and physically, then he would be a world beater. Is it too much of a gamble? Maybe. would I like to chance it. definately. He 27 as of today, plenty of years left on his engine if we could get him fit again.

Rooney is a player, who for me is not mentally strong. He can never up his game.

His level of play is the same, at his best he is not even a top 10 player in his position.

he has many other attributes which I quite like, determination, never gives up, always working. However his potential has maxed and there is no more to him than what we see.

I would take him over Higuain and jovetic, but for 200k a week, and a possible liability, if we don't win things, and he asks for a transfer, we are stuck with that conundrum, i'd rather just go for higuain, who for me is a team player, someone who will play all out as he will want to be in the starting 11 for the world cup.

For me, taking any argentine striker, not named messi will be good, Aguero, higuain, lavezzi, di maria, will all be fighting it out for that spot upfront.

05 Jun 2013 20:37:08
These Higuain talks are gathering pace. What would you say the probability of it is Eds? {Ed027's Note - Not first choice

Not my bloody first choice either!

Sorry Metal.

Um, that's OK Block5, each to their own!

Who would you say is first choice ed? Jovetic? {Ed027's Note - Others too

Who is first choice then ed? thanks {Ed027's Note - A few, Jovetic, waiting on Rooney situation to become clear, Wazza is still along shot, but worth it

05 Jun 2013 18:55:39
Every year Arsene says transfers don't pick up until end of July and early August

With WC qualifiers and confed cup, I expect this season to be the same

So am hoping there isn't a meltdown when we don't have signings right into June

This summer, there seems to be a transfer plan in place, but it could take a month or 2 or 3, so as hard as it is, we have to be patient

I would usually agree but it seems city have already spent £60m on 2 players and west ham have even signed about 4 players we need to make a move soon

Wenger is not the only person who deals with transfers. There is no excuse for missing out on players except for being blown out of the water either by fee or wages.

More and more players are signing deals. Bayern agreed 2 deals before the season ended. Man City have agreed 2 deals for players they've been after for months. Monaco are signing loads, Mourinho will have people working on his targets. Whilst I agree it's not panic time, there is no excuse for missing anyone.

Whose to say we haven't agreed some deals. I'm not saying we have but as a club we never shout our mouths off regarding transfers. When the European transfer window opens on July 1st we might get a bit more of an idea of signings.

05 Jun 2013 18:31:06
Arsenal have relased andrey arshavin denilson and squillaci

Dead Wood Clear out has started!

I am sure there are more then just these three, lol.

05 Jun 2013 17:33:13
Finally that k*ob squillaci is released. Arshavin and Denilson have also been released.

05 Jun 2013 17:03:12
Just saw RvP's latest comments about Arsenal. I just can't believe how quickly it takes for a player to turn on the team that made him what he is. Disgusting.

What did he say?

05 Jun 2013 15:54:46
i am not liking the fact that we are signing these young players, most of the youngsters we sign always either end up out on loan all the time or end up getting released. the other day I was excited about our summer spending plans but now I am seriously starting to have doubts that we'll spend this so called war chest wenger has. if we don't bring in top quality then it will be the usual rubbish like every year, out the title race well before xmas, out in qf of both domestic cups and last 16 or qf of cl. so to be honest I wouldn't blame our best players if they want to leave if we lack ambition in transfer market and not making a serious challenge for silverware.
opinions welcome



gooner mark

The point is, we aren't signing kids any more, we're signing decent youth talent - they're already half way there. They will have a chance to play together for a few seasons before they get first team chances, and will be early 20s by then instead of just 18. I think it's great.

I think your absolutely right mate. There will be no big signings, no ambition and let's look forward to another season of fighting for 4th place.

05 Jun 2013 15:23:06
Hiya Gang!

Arsenal. yet again in for young talent this time from Crawleys highly rated youngster Andy Pipkin. He is looked at for a fee of around 100k he does look talented for 18 thanks!

Malaga Gooner {Ed027's Note - Everyone wants to be Malaga lol, imposter!

Didn't sound anything like the real Malaga

Will the REAL Malaga Gooner please stand up. {Ed027's Note - I know who the real one is, that's all that matters

I know Ed27 that's what makes it soo funny. They know enough about this site to want to impersonate Malaga yet don't think you're going to expose them!

Loool

Gotze, Hazard and mata to join Arsenal.

Malaga Gooner. um No Lakerville. no Malaga Gooner. No Lakerville.

ok I admit it I am the real Malaga gooner. no wait i'm Lakerville.

damn why did my shrink tell me to talk to myself.

Tbf he is probably more accurate than the real Malaga!

05 Jun 2013 14:46:18
Anyone think we'll have a player like this again? just look at the panic on the defenders

Thierry Henry Top 25 goals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko5jBnTn9hU

Didn't watch the video, but probably one of his best games was against Inter. Even Zanetti couldn't handle him that night.

Magical player, will never be replaced.

05 Jun 2013 14:40:26
It's okay people like Koscielny sayinghe might leave but would he get into the Bayern side, the answer is no. Fabregas left know his unhappy, song went know his unhappy, nasri is unhappy at city. The grass ain't always greener on the other side. Koscielny owes us after the mistake that cost us atrophy.

04 Jun 2013 23:58:29
Eds, what is the situation with Christen Erikson? (Not sure if that is the right spelling) {Ed027's Note - I wouldn't know, he wants to leave, Spain is his preference, that is all

05 Jun 2013 14:21:54
The reason we won't make any big signings is Wenger and the board are not decisive enough in the transfer window. they look at a player um and r our the price then another club buys them. Instead of just paying what the club wants for the player they dither. Until some one takes decisive action and just pays the money, then this will continue.

how exactly do you know about what goes on behind closed doors?

Agree with you- all this about wenger and the board is pure conjecture and mostly malicious- supported and propagated by certain members of the media who are Manchester United supporters or secret spuds. and the odd sloane ranger nice but dim.

05 Jun 2013 14:08:27
No excuses to hide behind Arsene. the have no money line won't work this time. The last figures released stated a cash surplus of 122m. On top of that a new sponsership deal and 12 months away from a new kit deal. Plus a lot of dead wood high earners taken off the wage bill. over to you Arsene. km

05 Jun 2013 12:58:05
£70 million to spend. I think Arsene will spend like £38million of it on duds. He has great judgement on young players but they take 3-4 years to kick in. try buying players that at their peak and will play and win cups.

He is looking at Wanyama. THAT'S A NO GO! he plays one good game then 7 bad games. be waste of £10m if you ask me. Pogba well better and he has talent in his locker. Manchester United are kicking themselfs for letting him go.

Yeah what do I know my team in the scottish D2 we have no money or europe to look forward too for the next 2 years. But with a club like Rangers we focus on wining cups not bringing players up to sell on or hand them off to a rival team like UTD. In fareness Arsene ( great manager no if's or but's about that ) just needs a push to buy older players or even a push out the door for a new manager to take over and revamp the team.

Comments on what you you all think. ?

Man u didn't let Pogba go, he wanted to leave. Also we're very unlikely to get him since he's just started to break into Juve's team.

Everybody knows Pogba is the next superstar. Juventus would be stupid to sell him for anything less than 25-30 million which is out of our price range. Even if he did want to leave it would be subject to a bidding war.

Fair point mate, but you cannot believe everything you read or hear and therefore we do not know exactly how much resources Arsene has, in fact, been given.

A lot happens behind closed doors that we know nothing about and the newspapers and media just literally make up stories to boost ratings and attract attention.

When Arsene eventually retires I think we can all look forward to a very interesting autobiography lol.

Good luck to Rangers mate.
Peace,

Trinidad-Gooner

So much contradiction in one post.

Regarding Pogba, he is unsettled due to racial abuse, this is documented.

Agreed he is a future superstar, this is widely accepted.

However, he's still not the finished article, and is reported to have an attitude problem.

Maybe Wenger has more appeal than most to Pogba, who knows? could well be the case. I think it's too early to rule a move out.

05 Jun 2013 11:59:43
Why shouldn't we strengthen our youth, it's a small investment for potential future stars. All those rambling about how Arsenal only signs young unproved players are deluded, look at the recent transfers. Arteta (29 - was at the time he arrived), Podolski (27), Giroud (25), Cazorla (27). Are they young? Are they inexperienced?

I for one am delighted with these youngster signings. I like the direction where the club is going and it's up. I believe that the board and Wenger will aim for challenging for trophies with this summer's signings.

Spot on!

Trinidad-Gooner

05 Jun 2013 10:44:48
This transfer window was supposed to enable us to react to uncertainty with managers, and a striker merry go round.

The only thing uncertain is our transfer, while Neymar joined barcelona, bayern snap up gotze, real looking to force spurs into bale sale, and keep ronaldo.

Jose mourinho joins chelsea, jesus goes to city. Pellegrini is not far from taking over, while city almost wrap up fernandinho.

Falcao, moutinho, and james rodriguez join monaco.

Now Chelsea have come in for jovetic, while we sat haggling for 5 million. Is he worth 25 mill? probably not. but we have the money sign him or just go and get higuain. why are we pondering soo much?

Is there actually a deal for cesc and rooney? very unlikely.

while we are busy signing youth, great for the future, its always the same scenario. the future never arrives, and the present is sold.

why can't we do business like the other clubs? by the end of June, we will lose another 3-4 targets while we wait for a bargain bin deal.

For me higuain, is the ideal fit at Arsenal. he is not a superstar, yet he is one, just never given the opportunity to be one. He is clinical and he would be what we would expect to spend on a striker.

So why are we not going all in to get this player?

Wenger had stated after the Spurs game that many players will be fighting for their Arsenal careers, yet it seems that the trend will continue, with the garbage content on picking up big money, while our best players are looking away to win some actual trophies.

This summer window is wengers last. If he does not spend, does not buy, then he must go. I am done supporting mediocrity. His philosophy is just pure rubbish when it delivers nothing.

Look at klopp, being raided, yet he went out and replaced a departing defender instantly. looking at replacing the departed gotze and will replace lewandowski with a striker too, and the worst bit is, I actually see Higuain going to Dortmund.

So while all our targets disappear, wenger will come up with names and say things for the fun of it, still living in an alternative reality, where the year is always 2004.

Lakerville, great post!

Higuian would be worth every penny of the 20-25 million we are being quoted but I feel a mata situation happening, haggling over a few million and end up losing him to someone else.

Db7

Ps i'd take Higuian over jovetic all day long

Classic Wenger behaviour, argue and pennypinch while demanding peole pay millions in transfer fees for players like Bendtner (that why he hasn't gone, we have had numerous offers. ) The list of players he's been seriously interested in but refused to pay up for is staggering. Its the same b******* every year, and suddenly once all the membership renewals are done it'll all go silent. We desperately need a new manager with ambition and drive, Wenger and Stan OUT

Yo Laker,

I understand your frustration, but seriously, the transfer window has been open less than a week lol.

I say we give Arsene this whole transfer window and judge at the end, because we all know Arsene gets bargain deals and that we must operate differently than the big spending clubs because we cannot compete with them financially.

Just because the press says we have 70 million to splash doesn't make it true, but Arsenal are headed in the right direction that I can assure you.

Keep the faith man,
Peace,

Trinidad-Gooner

05 Jun 2013 09:49:32
arsene is looking for players that want to play football.

there are still quite a few quality players out there that put playing 1st and money 2nd.

we have a manager that is willing to give players a chance to settle in.

we have a manager that players know will still be in a job 2-3 years down the line.

has any 1 noticed a lot of players are coming out and saying they would like to play for arsenal.
this is because people in football know the club is going to be a major force and they want to be part of it.

the wage bill was always the problem and is about to be reduced by over 25 mill a year.

we will be a major force next season.

we will not be talking any more about how long we have not won a cup.

the pl title will be coming back RED LONDON.

HAVE SOME FAITH.

malaga gooner

You have a manager that doesn't like spending big money.

U have a manager that doesn't like giving high wages.

You have a manager unable to keep ure biggest stars happy.

U have a manger that sells its big assets to rivals.

U have a manager that thinks 4th is worthy success.

You my friend are a bit deluded

Chris the REDman

Malaga gooner, what a change, only a year ago you were part of the Wenger-Out group. Is there a reason for that transformation or you are leaving Wenger-out group in the hands of your mate ChCharlie :D :)

Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you. fool me 8 years running? i'm not r******* mate.

i have said what I needed to say, I have personally taken part in protests, and if the greater cause of the club can't be seen, then I don't know what else to do.

I have a life outside of supporting arsenal, and I will not flip it all off just for something that does bugger all for me.

I will always support arsenal, but every year i'm more a distant supporter than a vocal one.

Sometimes no one wants to listen to you anymore, all you can do is sit and watch.

Players are using us as a stepping stone to bigger things, we sign up talented teenagers like hotcake, and then we sell them for a hefty price.

this is no longer about football, it is about a business. there are no targets, there is no pressure, and every summer the same B. S

I don't see why we never make a signing of intent. its always we buy who we need. and then it ends up being the 4th choice from the list.

Simple example. if Ronaldo is made available, they think. ok let's inquire, but never beyond that.

they won't put a package together, offer him the money, try to entice him. nope. just let him go to another club. its as if its some sort of case study.

Cesc wants to play elsewhere next summer, and it will be. oh we have 5 in midfield. we don't need him, we rather have the money.

I would think more along the lines of. hell bring cesc back, and sell santi cazorla, or ramsey and arteta or whatever. you don't turn down great players, you go in for them.

Our wage structure will be our demise. I understand its not logical in todays world where money has no value, but sometimes you have to make one deal where its not about money, its about the passion of the game, its about the intent, its about getting the fans something to cheer about.

west ham put in a failed bid of 15 mill pounds for negredo. I mean that would be a cavani type deal for us. at least attempt. if not cavani then Higuain.

Even make some bold moves. I would appreciate that even more. Sell poldi, gervinho, cazorla and bring in Jovetic and Higuain.

anyway i'm done rambling. it always falls on deaf ears.

Lakerville.

05 Jun 2013 15:51:58
You have a manager that finishes, what 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th. Thanks for the input though. Chump!

And you have DAVID MOYES, haha

i give him a year and you will all be asking for his head.

malaga gooner

05 Jun 2013 06:30:47
I guess Wenger believes in target men no.

Olivier Giroud 6'4
Yaya Sanogo 6'3
Aleksander Mitrovic 6'3

05 Jun 2013 00:43:02
Ed is it possible for us to get some player profiles on the youngsters about (or are likely to) to sign, like:

Yaya Sanogo
Julio Pleguezuelo Selva
Dan Crowley
Aleksandar Mitrovic

A response would be great because, as I mentioned before, the profile pages are a little Liverpool heavy.

Cheers! {Ed001's Note - I will pass it on to the profilers for you mate.}