Arsenal Banter Archive December 07 2014

07 Dec 2014 22:49:08
Wilfred bony. Talk to be red dog.

08 Dec 2014 06:20:54
Top epl scorer 2014 calender year apparently.

I don't think scoring goals is our problem. We need defenders & defensive midfield players. We scored twice away to Stoke, bit conceded three.

Robbie I do think our strikers are a problem. non are good enough. girouds header, he scores that different game.

but ye we need a goalie, defender x2, DM and striker I feel

07 Dec 2014 21:58:59
Look on the bright side lads, we could have signed Ballotelli.

07 Dec 2014 21:20:56
Bit of fun,

Who would u lot say is your page's Claude and which one is TI?

I'm going,

Claude - Banbury

TI - 337.

I love claude

Claude for president

08 Dec 2014 08:26:41
Im lost :-)

Arsenal fan tv dags, claude is the main man on there, he's very wenger out though so maybe you want to mute the videos lol.

ty is very pro wenger


chris redman. T.I is a rapper I wouldn't compare 337 to him. grand hustle homie.

Wassup ? IO is Rapper too innit!

A little rap for you CR:

We got dis banter page
Don't matter what your age

Dares dis guy called Chris
He likes to take da pi**

He comes from manchester
and finks they da besta
But sometimes he needs to learn to give it a resta :-P

08 Dec 2014 15:36:42
After reading your posts over last few days 337 mate I think I'm not the only one who needs a break lol.

But ok I take your point, I will leave u all for a few weeks, as I'm the one bringing the mood down it would seem.

Nice rap though my deluded little friend, I enjoyed that.

08 Dec 2014 15:42:26
Oh but before let me try this rapping thing.

There's this guy called 337,
He thinks that arsene was sent from heaven.

His club is in trouble they need some help,
when it comes to big games they freeze & melt.

My oh my what a fall from grace,
I wonder how long till u vanish without a trace.

😊 merry Xmas.

All spelt too well for a Rap CR, but very nice, merry xmas to you too (enjoy it with that little one and the empty boxes, they love those)

08 Dec 2014 17:40:38
Thanks Derby

08 Dec 2014 23:46:38
Dags is definitely Bully

Ye I agree he is a bully. :)

07 Dec 2014 20:52:38
Can anybody put their finger on the reason Wenger is so easy going when it comes to his defensive purchases?

Let's be honest, he inherited Seaman, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Adams and Keown.

Since than, whilst he has signed good defenders like Clichy, Campbell, Vermaelen and Koscielny, he has also signed the likes of Stepanovs, Andre Santos, Squillaci, Silvestre, Pascal Cygan, Phillip Senderos, to name but a few.

All managers sign bad players, but we seem, or at least Wenger seems, to do it with reckless abandonment and on a regular basis.

Also, Wenger famously, doesn't seem to take any defensive advice from the likes of Bouldy. Strange.

George Graham, like him or not, use to train his defence in a regimental fashion.
One of his main training techniques was to get the back four to train against 5 or 6 'attackers', they would work hard not to concede, even in training.

I'm at a total loss sometimes.

Wenger is too focused on total football instead of basics, he wants his defenders to take on 8 men go round the keeper chip it over the CB for Sanchez to nod it in.

We thinks as long as we have the ball we won't lose .

Wenger was very very very very and one more very fortunate when he came here, he inherited many superb players .

{Ed025's Note - i think they were a match made in heaven BG, its only lately that its gone tits up that all the moaning has started mate, i still back him to turn it around and see out his contract, i think you still have a good shout for top 4 myself..

I have no doubt, but that isn't down to our brilliance more to do with the mediocrity of others

{Ed025's Note - very possibly mate..

Because he's lost the plot dags. Matic misses chelsea game they lose. This should tell wenger all he needed to know

07 Dec 2014 22:56:12
Ed, like said before, its only because Chelsea and City apart, the rest are playing crap.

{Ed025's Note - them 2 are miles ahead dags, myself i think arsenal and utd look good for 3rd and 4th, im sure that southampton and the ammers will fall to bits..

07 Dec 2014 23:22:52
True Derby.

Totally agree Ed.

07 Dec 2014 18:38:51
337

The next window??? are you sure, Wenger very very rarely does business in January, and who would he get when all top players are tied up?

I think you will have to wait until the Summer.

I think you are insulting some fans on here virtually everyone on here knew we were well short of defenders in the summer and what happens?? we can't defend for toffee and are well short.

That has nothing to do with running a PL club, its common sense.

I should say it doesn't matter what level of football you are at, you make sure the balance is right in each department.

We can't get that right

If you don't conceded you won't lose.
If you have weakness because of injuries or what ever change your style to compensate.
You don't need the best players to be the best team, it helps but the right tactics can bridge huge gaps in individual abilities.
If your players are giving their all in every game and performing to the best of their individual ability and walk off the pitch with nothing left to give be proud of them and tell the world, if they have not given everything let them know their P45 is available in Janu ary and it's theirs if they want it or You decide to give it to them
Collective accountability you can't beat it, well you can but its a tough nut to crack

Didn't mention any names so if you feel insulted that's up to you!

07 Dec 2014 21:20:24
Clean sheet - can't be beat!

That's what my old manager used to say!

Just been listening to a debate on Arsene of all things :-) but without a doubt those who feel 4th and Champions league participation each season is enough are in the majority, they would like more of course but are happy with how things are and fear Arsene's departure.
As one fan said " who better to lead us to FORTH place, Arsene's record is second to none on this "
Says it all really, mediocrity runs very deep within our club and division is with us for a long time to come

337

There is no one on here who can or would insult me

I should have mentioned the word intelligence .

{Ed025's Note - but we will keep on trying BG.. :)

07 Dec 2014 22:24:44
I reckon that's what my wife says too.

Sigh.

07 Dec 2014 15:32:45
Ok, I don't usually rant but i'm having this one to put a few issues to bed, for the same 'few' posters going on about what 'could have' should have' bla bla bla.

Firstly ANYBODY wanting us to lose to prove a point is not a true supporter.

Secondly, see my post about finishing in the top four (featuring all knowing ed02) vvvvv, how on earth does finishing out of the champions league places help our club?

All those whinging about not signing defensive cover, firstly we tried but needed quality, and secondly NO team has a full second WORLD CLASS rb & cb on their bench, we have been unlucky with kos and debuchy, even our famous back five only had Keown as back up, but adams and bould didn't get injured, if they did we would have been knackered!

We have come through a financially restraining period, in order to secure the future of our club, there are now restraints on clubs which we have already breached. We have signed Ozil (injured) and Sanchez (superstar) which shows our intent to compete, we cannot just go and blow another £60m on defenders straight away.

I am as frustrated as anyone with our current form, however if all our players were fit we have a fantastic team, blame AW, blame silent Stan, blame our physio's, blame me if you like, but it is what it is and I for one am ARSENAL through and through and will NEVER want my club to lose!

COYG

{Ed002's Note - I prefer "omnipotent" or "fab and groovy" to "all knowing".}

Omnipotent has too many letters for my vocabulary ed, but we will name you 'Fabroovy' from now on!

07 Dec 2014 16:44:56
Whose asking for world class cover? Just adequate cover would do.

Three goals in 45 mins is unacceptable plain and simple

Second point; we had 2 first team defenders injured. Just TWO.

That should not equate to crisis at any level.

I do not accept that across Europe not a single defender moved between clubs that wasnt affordable and wouldn't have improved us

It could equally be argued that any one who wants Arsene to be our manager for the next 2 and a half years is Arsene not Arsenal through and through?
Just because people have different opinions doesn't mean they have different agendas and only the best way to achieve it devides them.
I have never wanted us to lose ever but have said and most probably will say again that should we finish outside the top four it might be short term loss for long term gain as then the board would take notice and things might change.
Let's disagree by all means but not question each others love for the club, be us Arsene in or out let's respect each others right to hold different opinions to ours without questioning their loyalty

G62

Your first line saves me from replying, with AW in charge we are less than mediocre

I agree with every word you say.

I am Arsenal through and through but a change will only happen once we finish outside of the Euro places.

I will say it again we need to go back to be able to get going forward

I respect everyone's opinions, but I'm going to be blunt, this is a "banter" page and I enjoy the "banter" but the same people keep whinging about issues which we can do nothing about until the next window! It's like a broken record!

we all get it that we are short of defenders, but it, s tiresome and these same people think that by harping on, on a daily basis is going to change things? They need to understand that running a premiership football club is not like running their kids under 10, s football team and our club is one of the best run clubs in Europe and should continue to be so.

I agree 337 running a football club of Arsenal's standing is well beyond a bloke who once run a kids under 10 team hence I haven't applied for the job as I would probably lead us to humiliating defeats at city chavs Liverpool Everton and even Stoke of all places and obviously I'd be out if my league especially if I let it happen again and again season after season and I lost to utd at home who had a defence that resembled a colander but some how that colander held water against us

I can really understand where you are coming from COYG.
But the unique thing about our club is anything ( to date) that happens no one will knock on Arsne's door & say what's going on & what are you doing about it?
Therein lies our problem & let's not believe this is nothing other than very serious for our club. When a manager is unaccountable to any board member or superior or even, equal status manager problems must arrive.
For the 1st time I'm starting to think we will finish outside the top 4. Is that the point when someone at the club says we have a problem.
Or is there ever a stage when he is called to explain.
We have come along way from the days of George Swindon or Billy Wright I know I lived them. Bertie Mee, Don Howe & George Graham laid a solid bae for Arsene to come in & build a modern European club with wonderful facilities & let's be fair totally changed the way football is played in England. We owe him so much.
However we are now in that time when the big word BUT comes up. The performances this season at times have been woeful we are short of defensive cover yet players were allowed to leave or go out on loan that could have helped.
We cannot now use money as an excuse we have it, it is management choices & decisions that are causing this problem.
Is their any manager on the planet that would give Diaby a contract except Arsene? That for me proves the point. Last season we sign a player with a broken back (can't think of his name) Ospina injured again & Sanogoo looks as fragile. He even knew Kozy tendons were dodgy.
If I had made similar choices as a rep with even if I say myself a not inconsiderable annual budget, that went into several million I would have been given a P 45 by now, irrespective of previous years.
At some time we will have to face a future without Arsene, that is inevitable, is it not right to start that process now when so much is going wrong, than when the damage is done & will cost us so much more than the club is willing to spend & we become an ordinary club, which is where we were back in the late 50-60s.

Saga if no matter what our results our bosses and major share holders treated us as all conquering heroes and gave the trappings of success year after year in our jobs would we become deluded into feeling we were bang on right track and irreplaceable?
Its human nature if your surrounded by yes men and people ready to offer you excuses by the dozen no matter what or how many times things went wrong to begin to believe your right all the time and have nothing to change.
accountability keeps us on our toes and lack of it makes us all complacent

Sags / G62

Both spot on with those views, clearly AW isn't accountable, I would imagine he is never questioned.

Clearly AW owes Mr Dein an awful lot

07 Dec 2014 14:45:18
It's a bit ironic watching Jenks play in a better side(Currently) than the one he was loaned from

Really BG? I'm not having that!

Yes they are higher than us in the league, but a better side?

Which West Ham United players would get in to our team IF ALL OUR PLAYERS ARE FIT?

337

Please note I put . . . .currently

And they are, it can't be argued .

I didn't say if we have all our players fit, it is as we stand now. :)

We are 4pts behind them, they have won more games than us.

Currently they are a better side than us.

I'm pleased for Jenks as really like him and how much he loves Arsenal football club plus feel the lad was treated badly being sent out at all, not what he wanted but had forced on him and I've serious doubts we'll ever see him again play for us.
His love for the club I doubt has diminished but the realisation that he can achieve more on a personal level (England/recognition ) ( not trophies) with West Ham will make him decide to stay.
Shame because at 22 he could have a very big future ahead of him and it should have been with us

07 Dec 2014 16:38:43
Look at it on the positive side boys.

He is still our player and he will come back a better player because he is playing regularly at West Ham and gaining experience.

Will he come back Dags? Will Arsene let him go to fund an up and coming winger from the French 2 division? stranger things have happened and most probably there's stranger yet to come from the ever more baffling Mr Wenger

Did AW put a clause in his contract for him not to be re-called? Normally you can get a player back if you hit injury crisis

07 Dec 2014 17:57:42
G62 if Debuchy were fit we'd all be wondering why we didn't send him so he can get some games.

Banbury one of the eds mentioned something before about a fee being paid for the loan so it cannot be reversed

Your quite possibly right Sheeny but in the same vein if we'd have kept him he'd have as many games for us this season as he as West Ham.
Hind sight is a wonderful thing and let's face it most of us use it quite well from time to time on here, now being wise before the event is a fantastic skill and those who have it are paid millions because of it, and some who don't it seem are paid millions too :-)

Its been amazing that Sagna can't get a game and TV5 is injured as if he were Diaby, so an argument can be made that we are better in defense this year when healthy… doesn't look like it!

07 Dec 2014 19:19:15
I hope so G62.

Jenks is a decent defender, he just needed game time, something he is getting at West Ham.

Bambam, I think its a season long loan, and as Sheeny said, no recall because Hammers paid an additional payment.

07 Dec 2014 21:39:54
Well I've detailed what my reasoning for letting Jenks out on loan would have been further down.

Maybe there not Wengers but I don't get paid millions :P

Ok

Cheers

07 Dec 2014 13:26:17
Question for ed02 if possible?

Do you know roughly what the figure is for us qualifying for the champions league and getting through the group stages please?

{Ed002's Note - It depends still on two things, the final result and the TV money. But roughly: €12.1M plus, €1M for winning the final game or €500k for drawing. TV money will depend on how much further the club go but if Arsenal go out now it will be circa €12M. By getting through another €3.5M is guaranteed for the round of 13 plus perhaps another €32M in TV money.}

Thanks 02,

Wow TV money is key then.

So for those of you that think we should not finish in the top four to teach AW a lesson, think of the impact it will have on us financially, we are already breaching FFP rules with wages!

Where will the money come from for AW replacement to sign these superstars we want?

Banbury? Maybe you have the answer?

{Ed002's Note - Right, and thee money for success in the champions league is further enhanced by different sponsors arriving to get a bit of the action etc.. I am aware of the total figure that Chelsea calculated for their win and it is very significant indeed.}

07 Dec 2014 14:26:43
Ed002, Is it correct that the money awarded for participation (merit) will be going up next season in the champions league? As well as the newly negotiated TV deal which again will come into play next season?

{Ed002's Note - THe prize money for next season will not have been finally determined yet. The EPL television money will rise from 2016/2017 not next season.}

07 Dec 2014 16:41:40
Take my hat off to you Ed.

Your knowledge, particularly on the financial side of things, is incredible.

07 Dec 2014 18:11:54
337 it would come from the reserve that everyone keeps saying we should spend!

07 Dec 2014 12:31:31
Would everyone take an fa cup, fourth place and a champs league 1/4 final? I know I would be happy enough with that

Right now yes!

At the beginning of the season no

Its a very big yes from me saint, you had my vote at the fa cup.
This season just can't end soon enough for me I feel the same way in December this season as I felt in April last season after the Swansea home game, let's get it done now and start again.
Totally shameful for a club like Arsenal with so much potential to be so much more than we are

I'd love to say yes but Wenger would be waving to the masses insisting what a great season it has been.

07 Dec 2014 14:48:43
Same as last year would do me now tbh

07 Dec 2014 16:43:01
Saint,

You had me at "Would".

07 Dec 2014 10:34:50
Oh dear another poor performance from my beloved team.
There seems to be no direction no heart no determination and in some players no fight.
Every team looks dangerous against us.
Every team has our tactics worked out so are able to stop us from playing football.
What makes the Stoke result worse is they told us what they were going to do to us a few days back and we still had no answer to them.
I remember a time were we used to control games. We now seem to be chasing the game.
I would say 20% of this is down to the players, ie; we have too many mediocre squad players who would never get into any of the top sides and we only have 4 or 5 players of real quality but confidence is low.
Our defence is on par with a mid to bottom table team.
Wenger has to take at least 50% of the blame for this because he bought these players and gave them ridiculous wages.
The board must take at least 30% of the blame because they have not put any pressure on Wenger to win the title or Champs league. They are just happy with getting the revenue.
I've noticed that all the premiership managers have grey hair due to the stress and worry of the demands that their board put on them for results.
Wengers hair is grey either because he is old or he has dyed it to look like a silver fox.
Wenger this transfer window is your last chance. Please don't let all of your great memories fade .

07 Dec 2014 09:53:46
When I ran a kids team our first season we PL 20 lost 18 drew 1 and won 1 and lost heavily to the better sides where 8 and 9 goals conceded was not unheard of but they were 9/10 kids playing organized football for the first time but never in any of those games did they conceded a goal like yesterday's 2nd, I'd have been heartbroken if they had and probably have gone back to laying in bed on a Sunday morning.
If there was a worst conceded goal of the season competition that would win it hands down, absolutely disgusting

07 Dec 2014 13:51:07
Ed could you forward this man application to Mr. Kroenke please ;)

07 Dec 2014 16:50:12
Wow, don't blame the kids.

Blame the manager, lol G62

07 Dec 2014 07:23:31
I think that putting a really promising 19 year kid in at centre back in a game like that is irresponsible, poor, poor management and Wenger should be ashamed of himself. Not to mention the fact that the kid has been right back for weeks, but that's ok, he can learn CB away at Stoke.
If he did it because he had to then that is even more his fault. He did not strengthen in this area with top quality and experience just as he never does. Plus the poor kid had Flamini in front of him and Mertesacker next to him.

07 Dec 2014 08:54:33
Chambers has been thrown into the deep end big time and it doesn't look like its doing him any good.

Ive been saying as a right back he looks a yard short of pace. he's been skinned time and time again and accumulated a seasons worth of bookings already because of it.

but its clear the guy has the skills and ingredients to be a top player. in a way he reminds me of jones at utd-you know he's got it in him but you don't know what his best position is/will be.

I think what yesterday showed was how important koscielny is at centre back. Mertesacker is looking like a passenger right now and really looks finished at this level.

How we are missing Jenkinson right now-at west ham who are above us!

Honestly I think that's going a bit far. Apart from today and against Swansea, when has Chambers been incredibly poor? (ie more so than the rest of our defence?)

I think he's very young and, as you say, is being played between positions. It just comes back to managerial irresponsibility. It is good to try young players out in different positions, but that should be done mainly in youth matches. In the 1st few games of the season it was clear that Chambers was best suited to a CB role. In that case we need a stand-in RB - a 19-year old player cannot cover 2 positions for a team which has such thin defensive resources. Wenger clearly does not trust Bellerin as a regular stand-in as he plays Chambers there in stead while putting another full back, Monreal, in CB.

I think Chambers has done well this season under the circumstances and shown immense promise. The issue is that we need another CB and, probably, another RB as an understudy to Debuchy. I rate Bellerin and think he is getting slightly unfair criticism, but Wenger's reluctance to play him clearly shows that he is not quite ready. As for Chambers, the workload is too much for him at the moment, but that is down to the club's defensive resources and not his own faults.

Ps sorry slightly misread the post! I actually completely agree with you that this is Wenger's issue rather than Chambers'. we can only hope Wenger sorts this mess in the next window

Funny how a month ago everyone was asking why Monreal was at CB rather than Chambers, for exactly this reason AW did not want to throw him in, in games like this but had no choice yesterday

Why did he have no choice?

Because HE never purchased the players we need in that position.

That's why he has had to play Monreal and Chambers.

337 you are quite right, but also wenger did not want to expose BFG out of position and without the proper cover!

So Wenger knows enough to protect BFG but not enough to bring in suitable depth in defense. this season will be a true test of supporters as the prize clearly looks to be 4th if we are being honest.

07 Dec 2014 14:05:46
Thank you again 337!

This is what 90% of people on here were crying out for the last month! Some people even went as far as to ask "Why is Wenger playing Chambers out of position @RB!?"

Red Rooster I think there's more to the Mertesacker story than that but yes. He's being increaslingly exposed week on week. Something has to be done with him

07 Dec 2014 03:41:24
One thing is sure. You will never be a force in English football while WEnger is in charge, let's hope he gets 10 more years

06 Dec 2014 23:22:43
I hope this gets posted, as a centre back myself, I always look at how they are playing, and what's caught my eyes is that how kos the boss seems to cover the bfg, it seems to me as if kos knows he has to be close enuf if bfg f@@ks up them he can clean up, if that was me if be telling the gaffa get somone who can play so I can play my own game,

Sad but true. BFG should be the 3rd CB in the rotation, with Kos and someone comfortable playing on the left and right. Ideally humbles.